To The Church Of Scientology: Dude, You’re NOT Getting A Dell
As it turns out, not everyone is happy about being associated with the Church of Scientology. In an earlier post we pointed out some Dell users and affiliates were contacting Dell about the video we put up yesterday where COS bragged about using Dell to distribute pamphlets throughout Africa.
In an article in the LA Times, Web Scout (name?), decided to take it one step further and contact the corporate offices of those who were mentioned in the COS propaganda video featuring COS leader David Miscavige addressing members about the organization’s operation to “obliterate psychiatry.”
Here’s what the WebScout found:
Dell Inc. spokesman: “This came to our attention yesterday. We did research it with our colleagues in our Europe, Middle East and Africa business segment and with our colleagues in South Africa. We found no evidence that this is accurate, and it’s not our practice to disseminate religious materials of any kind. We’ve got no affiliation with the Church of Scientology.”
7/11 spokeswoman: “My international department believes that it’s unfounded and inaccurate. But we’ve got to follow up with our licensee and get to the bottom of it.”
Philips Electronics spokesman: “We were as stunned as anybody this morning. It’s not something we were aware of. As an equal opportunity employer, religion is not something we comment on.”
Several of the spokespeople noted that in the video, Miscavige uses slippery language to avoid directly saying the corporations took part in any distribution efforts.
Miscavige using “slippery” language? NO
Thanks to our wonderful readers (Anons) for the heads up on that article. Also, Dell has already stated they in fact are NOT in the business of distributing religious material, and in fact they don’t much appreciate the Church of Scientology suggesting otherwise.
Well, actually what they said was:
I manage Dell’s corporate affairs team, and want to thank you for bringing this video to our attention. We’re looking into this video’s extremely vague reference to Dell, but I can tell you that it is not our business practice to disseminate religious materials.
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Comment by Anonymous — February 8, 2008 @ 11:30 pm
We’re Anonymous, and we approve of this message.
Comment by Anonymous — February 8, 2008 @ 11:33 pm
Dell has used the Co$ to train its workers in Ireland:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/WIR/wir7-09.html
From a June 2002 Magil Magazine article: “Since February of this year, Dell’s Limerick plant has been availing of the services of Effective Training Solutions and its ‘100% Proficiency
Training’ programme”
I would like to thank you for the great messages.
Comment by ladyanon — February 8, 2008 @ 11:44 pm
I will have your children.
Comment by Anonymous — February 8, 2008 @ 11:58 pm
#4
Hey, that’s my line!
I’ll be honest, I couldn’t be assed to care about celebrity gossip, but this site now occupies a place in my bookmarks.
Comment by Anonymous — February 9, 2008 @ 12:01 am
DUDE!!! Big ups! [ two thumbs, just like the picture].
Comment by D-Bomb — February 9, 2008 @ 12:26 am
This is sooooo wonderful! Congrats on the great job you do.
Comment by Bellesouth — February 9, 2008 @ 12:30 am
We looove you, D!
Comment by Anonymous — February 9, 2008 @ 1:03 am
David Miscavige’s reaction to the Lisa McPherson death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO9VV11V1kE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMgakAozEvI
The spin and nutjob rambling is thick in these…
Tom Cruise, Katie Holmes, is this REALLY what you want to be a part of?
Comment by LRonHubbub — February 9, 2008 @ 1:56 am
So “D” is the actual thief, “leaking” videos from a duffle of stolen ones.
Comment by Notvery Anonymous — February 9, 2008 @ 3:03 am
Notvery Anonymous, actually these are fair use because they shed light on your Sci-fi mafia cult.
Comment by LRonHubbub — February 9, 2008 @ 3:07 am
Excellent, shutting down the corporate links. Another win for Anonymous. Sounds like they were’nt even aware they were being made by the CoS.
Yet one more thing to add to the petitions to congress. I think this should be the next focus for the Anonymous movement post FEB 10. Getting David Miscavidge hauled before the Senate Judiciary Committee to explain some “Alarming Accusations” would be a major win.
Maybe You can run an OpEd asking congress to open hearings D?
Comment by Aeros — February 9, 2008 @ 4:16 am
There are Scientologist in more than 100 Countries in the World and a lot of them have companies so I don’t see any problem if they use Scientology tools to improve their company and to create a better world.
They can use the “administrative technology” to improve the organization of their activity, they can use the “Ethics technology” to create a healthier and more productive organization, they can use the “Study Technology” to make sure that the staff do understand the materials they are studying and are able to apply what they learrn in their job.
A company applying Scientology would become a better place where to work as it will help to increase the understanding and productivity of the staff.
Frank Scientologist
Comment by Frank — February 9, 2008 @ 5:56 am
“I manage Dell’s corporate affairs team, and want to thank you for bringing this video to our attention. We’re looking into this video’s extremely vague reference to Dell, but I can tell you that it is not our business practice to disseminate religious materials.”
The booklet concerned is said to be non-religious by its distributors, who if convenient also claim to be unconnected with the Church of Scientology. It sounds to me as if Dell are covering up. What we want to know is if they were distributing the booklets or not.
Comment by hartley patterson — February 9, 2008 @ 7:22 am
Dear #12, there are also a lot of other religions that exist in more than 100 countries in the world.
I seriously doubt that any Scientologists (or anyone else, for that matter) would enjoy the Mormons, the Muslims, the Catholics or the Jews coming into their workplace and distributing religious propaganda under the guise of “improving workplace productivity.”
What’s at stake here, I believe, is that one religion is covertly shoving it’s beliefs down the throats of others.
If you work for a company or business openly associated with Scientology, a Church, a Temple or a Mosque then yes, I suppose it’s to be expected.
But… if I’m working for a company or business that doesn’t openly promote a specific religion, I believe that it’s wrong to COVERTLY promote one because that, in effect, is brainwashing.
That just ain’t right. Not by your religion, not by mine, not by anybody’s. Period.
Comment by crazymom — February 9, 2008 @ 8:47 am
Very confusing is how this comes accross.
Scientology is totally alien always trying to jump on a band waggon.
They only talk what the late Ron said & this gets pretty boring
Comment by Moneen — February 9, 2008 @ 10:52 am
If Dell is trying to backtrack, it will be discovered quickly. It’s not like people in Africa can’t read and aren’t aware if they are being handed propaganda about a religious organization.
This is so outrageously deceptive and morally depraved to take advantage of people who may not be aware of what they are being exposed to.
I liken it to the Nestle corporation forcing baby formula as an alternative to breast milk in Third World countries, when so very few people have access to clean water and a sterile environment. For decades these poor mothers have been slowly losing the art of breastfeeding (the healthiest food for infants) and have now become dependent on this sub-par and in some cases, dangerous milk substitute.
What could be more reprehensible than swooping into a community of unaware people and completely duping them. Haven’t we had enough negative “American” interference in the world? I mean DM say is right there in the video - “Scientology is an American mindset”.
The COS is so morally ambiguous and underhanded I can’t believe it’s taken the public this long to see the light.
Comment by D — February 9, 2008 @ 11:51 am
I think the public at large was unaware of just what was going on in their own back yard. To most people it was likely a case of “to each their own”. Not to mention that many of the accusations against the CoS seemd so far fetched. Without the evidence we now have, it made their detractors seem like conspiracy theorists.
But now, we have the media and public paying attention. People are looking into the organization. They’re seeing the things that those who have been fighting for years have to say. Then add to that the new information and videos, the ex-members of the church speaking out, and the thousands who have devoted these last few weeks to organizing protests. The world seems ripe for this change.
So much is coming together that, if I were given to such beliefs, I’d almost feel it was fate. Again, questions about the CoS’ tax status are being raised, as well as court rulings protecting anonymity on the internet. Everything seems to be falling into place.
The world will never be a perfect place. But each step we take in that direction, however small, makes it suck just a little less. Seeing an end to the atrocities committed by this group would be a good step.
Comment by Anonymous — February 9, 2008 @ 1:37 pm
Dropping their tax exempt status would be a huge win as far as I am concerned. Then I would like Tom Cruise to wake up and smell the Xenu, then it would be wonderful to see David Miscavige and his cronies go to jail for a long time on charges of fraud. extortion, money laundering and perverting the course of justice.
Oh, and a real dream would be some criminal charges brought up on those who have maimed or killed former members of the church. That’s a pipe dream of course.
Comment by D — February 9, 2008 @ 1:48 pm
I think we should all write to the companies listed and tell them we were so outraged by the implications of this video that we won’t be purchasing their products in the future. Maybe then these big corporations will sue COS for costing them money and give them a taste of their own medicine.
Comment by Ethel — February 9, 2008 @ 4:25 pm
Do people still buy Dells?
Comment by k — February 9, 2008 @ 4:35 pm
Kimora Lee Simmons is also denying involvement with scientology. Her people have issued a statement, “Kimora is not a Scientologist. We have nothing to do with this.”
http://www.hollyscoop.com/kimora-lee-simmons/518.aspx
Comment by Val — February 9, 2008 @ 4:38 pm
I’d never thought I’d say this, but I’m seeing a lot more worth in gossip columns and outlets than I ever did before…
Huzzah for GlossLip.
Comment by Anonymous — February 9, 2008 @ 6:12 pm
I know. Who’d a thunk it? (No offense)
Comment by Anonymous — February 9, 2008 @ 6:31 pm
Another huge win would be for scientology to lose it’s ‘rights’ to work underage children like dogs. In http://www.scientology-victims-testimonies.com/ you can hear about how children were recruited to do heavy physical labor to build saunas and other things on scientologist property.
Comment by Anonymous — February 9, 2008 @ 6:42 pm
#21
Better than buying a Mac. Not by much mind you.
Comment by Anonymous — February 9, 2008 @ 8:02 pm
Hey, I have a Mac, and I like it
Comment by D — February 9, 2008 @ 10:17 pm
Oh D, I’m going to have to start a blog of my own. In it I will expose the evils of Macintosh, how they’ve brainwashed their users into believing that thin and shiny is better. That they are the only way to true computing happiness.
When in reality they’ve only dulled the senses of the very people who have come to believe in them. Feeding off their technological insecurities. Enticing them with celebrity endorsements.
“What are your viruses?” they shout at the PC’s. “Only that we didn’t come to you sooner!” they reply.
Freedom to choose any OS is one of the foundations of modern computing. And so we do not attack your OS, but those who control it. But there is an alternative for those who wish to believe. Allow me to tell you about Open Source.
Comment by Anonymous — February 9, 2008 @ 10:31 pm
I really hope Dell and Kimora and all the other non-scientology affiliated business that David Miscavige mentioned in his video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfu7Sr50N7U)
sue for slander. It would be just desserts.
Comment by JRH — February 10, 2008 @ 1:32 am
It’s too bad for dell I read this article. I was planning on spending a fuckload on a new computer and was deciding between alienware and dell. Seeing as alienware doesn’t support cults I think I’ll go with them.
Comment by Anonymoose — February 10, 2008 @ 1:45 pm
Plus there’s the Xenu logo on the alienware computer… that might be a good sign in itself
Comment by Dano_Z — February 10, 2008 @ 2:34 pm
http://www.Scientology-lies.com/whatswrong.html
Why do people protest Scientology?
Scientology locks people up.
There are over two dozen allegations that Scientology has held individuals against their will.These illegal acts were not committed by rogue Scientologists - they were in accordance with Scientology policy.
Scientology held Lisa McPherson against her will for 17 days, according to Scientology’s own logs. She died in their custody. The state of Florida decided not to prosecute the two felony charges filed against Scientology in her death after Scientology used relentless pressure to get the medical examiner to make a partial change in the cause of death. Her estate sued Scientology for wrongful death and false imprisonment; the suit was settled in May 2004, with all details kept confidential..
Scientology lies.
Lying to people to get their money isn’t just unethical -it’s illegal. It’s called fraud.
Scientology claims there is a scientific basis for all their processes. There isn’t. Scientology claims it’s compatible with other belief systems, like Christianity. It’s not. Scientology claims to be the fastest-growing religion in the world, with 8 million members, utilizing infallible technology developed by a physicist and war hero. They’re lying.
Scientology is breaking the law.
In addition to false imprisonment and fraud, Scientology engages in the illegal practice of medicine by prescribing auditing and vitamins to replace legally-prescribed medical treatment.
Scientology also extorts money from its members, telling them it’s scientifically proven that their lives will become worse if they don’t pay for expensive auditing.
Scientology has a long, well-documented history of criminal activities.
High-ranking Scientology executives were convicted of extremely serious crimes in the United States for breaking into government offices and stealing documents. Founder L. Ron Hubbard was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in that case, and the defendants stated in their stipulation of evidence that, at all times, he acted as supervisor of the illegal activities.
Scientology itself was convicted of similar crimes in Canada. When Scientology then tried to destroy the reputation of the prosecutor in the case, they were hit with the biggest libel fine in Canadian history.
L. Ron Hubbard was convicted of fraud in France.
Scientology attacks free speech.
Scientology says that “public statements against Scientology or Scientologists,” “writing anti-Scientology letters to the press,” and “testifying as a hostile witness against Scientology in public” are all “Suppressive Acts” - high crimes, according to ” Introduction to Scientology Ethics.” The book goes on to say that people who do such things “cannot be granted the rights and beingness ordinarily accorded rational beings.”
In accordance with this policy (and others like it), Scientology has tried to silence all criticism:
Scientology framed journalist Paulette Cooper for sending bomb threats after she wrote The Scandal of Scientology.
Scientology sued book and magazine publishers - including Time magazine - in an attempt to prevent any future criticism by scaring publishers with the prospect of enormous court costs.
Scientology sued critics for copyright infringement, even though the copyrights to some of the documents in question may have been lost to the public domain years ago.
Scientology tried to unilaterally shut down the alt.religion.sciento
logy newsgroup - unintentionally bringing Scientology to the attention of hundreds of free-speech advocates.
Scientology imposes gag orders in settlement agreements, preventing those who have suffered most from telling the world what they know.
Scientology routinely threatens legal action against critics, alleging copyright infringement, trademark dilution, and dissemination of trade secrets - often in situations in which its allegations are baseless.
Scientology hurts people.
Scientology routinely pressures members into spending more money than they can afford on expensive courses.
Scientology’s disconnection policy destroys families.
Scientology betrays the trust of well-intentioned people by falsely claiming to have a scientifically-proven technology to save the world. Scientology ruthlessly attacks its critics with everything from frame-ups to unannounced visits to the homes of family members to libellous fliers distributed to their neighbors and business associates.
And sometimes, Scientologists die under suspicious circumstances. They even target their own kind.
Buddhism, Mormonism, Islamic, Judiasm, Christianity, etc., have not required bloodshed or money for Centuries. To have such draconian administration is simply morally not right today by any standard of good you want to pluck from.
Comment by Lisa McPherson — February 10, 2008 @ 5:01 pm
Great article…shut them up and down and lose the tax free bonus…church of sci fi freeks
Comment by anon e mouse — February 10, 2008 @ 9:47 pm
Dear Anons,
I thought that you were just against Scientology!!!!
I have found this article in the Italian media with a link to a video on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ1qi9gz7UU
I saw it.
I was speechless…
I just hope that the police will look into this and take the necessary legal actions on “Anonymous”.
FG
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English
Statement by the Church of Scientology about “ANONYMOUS”
Sunday, February 10, 2008
“Anonymous” is a group of terrorists of cyberspace hiding his identity behind masks and anonymity of the computer. Long before choosing Scientology as his latest target, “Anonymous” has destroyed the websites of thousands of users of MySpace. When Fox News has denounced their activities, hackers from “Anonymous” have caused an interruption of the operation of the website of Fox and published an evil manifest in a video message in July 2007 on the Internet: “We are the face of chaos. … We ruin the lives of other people simply because we can. … hundreds have died in a plane precipitated to the ground. We laugh. The nation is mourning for the shootings in schools, We laughk. We are the personification of humanity which has no remorse, no care, no love or any sense of morality. ”
(See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ1qi9gz7UU).
“Anonymous” is perpetrando crimes committed for racial or religious reasons against the Churches of Scientology and Scientologists individual without any other reason except the bigotry. “Anonymous” initially justified its attacks complaining that the demands of the Church to some websites to remove a stolen video on an internal event of the Church in some way was an affront to freedom of speech.
The Church of Scientology, as would any owner of copyright, simply sent routine communications that the presence of the video was a violation of copyright. Similar communications are sent regularly from television and record labels to those who show pirated versions of copyrighted works. “Anonymous” has claimed the justification of “freedom of speech” to the fact that the video in question was seen by millions of people. It is “Anonymous” who has repeatedly tried to suppress freedom of speech through illegal assaults websites of the Church, to prevent users of the Internet to obtain information on the Church. It is also engaged in other activities including threats of violence through telephone calls, fax transmissions and e-mail, not to mention their shipments of white powder to dozens of our Churches, which has prompted the intervention of security forces.
The claims of “Anonymous” about having an altruistic goals are no different from those heard from any hatred or terrorist group . We are not the first to be targets. Using the visibility of Scientology, “Anonymous” plans to attract more attention. “Anonymous” has proclaimed publicly that the works on which base its actions are the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf.
Of course, this group is not only anti-Scientology, anti-religious freedom and anti-freedom of speech.
The religious bigotry of any kind is regrettable and deeply affect the entire community. Crimes committed on the grounds of racial or religious by “Anonymous” should be condemned. For anyone who wants more information on the Church of Scientology or the content of the video reproduced without authorization, he should visit the website of the Church at http://www.scientology.org and make up their own opinion.
The actions of “Anonymous” will not stop the normal activities of the church in giving service to his parishioners and the community. The Church of Scientology is working with local authorities to minimize the negative impact of this group of masked terrorists of cyberspace.
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Italian version
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Dichiarazione della Chiesa di Scientology riguardo ad “ANONYMOUS”
domenica 10 febbraio 2008
“Anonymous” è un gruppo di terroristi del cyberspazio che nasconde la propria identità dietro alle maschere e all’anonimato del computer. Molto tempo prima di scegliere Scientology come suo ultimo bersaglio,”Anonymous” ha distrutto i siti web di migliaia di utenti di MySpace. Quando Fox News ha denunciato le loro attività , gli hacker di “Anonymous” hanno causato un’interruzione del funzionamento del sito web di Fox e pubblicato un manifesto maligno in un messaggio video del luglio 2007 su Internet: “Noi siamo il volto del caos. … Roviniamo le vite di altre persone semplicemente perché possiamo. … In centinaia sono morti in un aereo precipitato al suolo. Noi ridiamo. La nazione è in lutto per le sparatorie nelle scuole, noi ridiamo. Siamo la personificazione dell’umanità che non ha rimorsi, nessuna cura, nessun amore o nessuno senso della moralità .”
(Vedi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ1qi9gz7UU).
“Anonymous” sta perpetrando crimini commessi per motivi razziali o religiosi contro le Chiese di Scientology e singoli Scientologist senza nessuna altra ragione se non il bigottismo. “Anonymous” ha inizialmente giustificato i suoi attacchi lamentandosi del fatto che le richieste della Chiesa ad alcuni siti web di rimuovere un video rubato, relativo ad un evento interno della Chiesa, in qualche modo ha costituito un affronto alla libertà di parola.
La Chiesa di Scientology, come farebbe qualsiasi proprietario di copyright, ha semplicemente mandato di routine delle comunicazioni che la presenza di quel video costituiva una violazione dei copyright. Comunicazioni simili vengono mandate regolarmente dalle televisioni e dalle case discografiche a coloro che mostrano versioni pirata di opere protette da copyright. “Anonymous” ha addotto la giustificazione della “libertà di parola” per il fatto che il video in questione è stato visto da milioni di persone. È “Anonymous” che ha tentato ripetutamente di sopprimere la libertà di parola tramite assalti illegali ai siti web della Chiesa, per impedire agli utenti di Internet di ottenere informazioni sulla Chiesa. Si è anche impegnato in altre azioni di disturbo incluse minacce di violenza tramite telefonate, trasmissioni di fax ed e-mail, per non menzionare le loro spedizioni di polvere bianca a dozzine delle nostre Chiese, che ha richiesto l’intervento delle forze dell’ordine.
Le pretese di “Anonymous” riguardo all’avere scopi altruistici non sono diverse da quelle sentite da qualsiasi gruppo terrorista o di odio. Non siamo i primi ad essere i bersagli. Usando la visibilità di Scientology, “Anonymous” pensa di attirare maggiormente l’attenzione. “Anonymous” ha proclamato pubblicamente che le opere su cui basa le sue azioni sono il Manifesto Comunista e Mein Kampf.
Ovviamente, questo gruppo non solo è anti-Scientology, è anti-libertà di religione ed anti-libertà di parola.
Il bigottismo religioso di qualsiasi natura è deplorevole ed influisce profondamente sull’intera comunità . I crimini commessi per motivi razziali o religiosi di “Anonymous” dovrebbero essere condannati. Per chiunque desideri più informazioni sulla Chiesa di Scientology o il contesto del video riprodotto senza autorizzazione, dovrebbe visitare il sito web della Chiesa presso: http://www.scientology.org e farsi una propria opinione.
Le azioni di “Anonymous” non interromperanno le normali attività della chiesa nel dare servizio ai suoi parrocchiani e alla comunità . La Chiesa di Scientology sta collaborando con le autorità locali per minimizzare l’impatto negativo di questo gruppo di terroristi mascherati del cyberspazio.
Comment by Frank — February 11, 2008 @ 5:11 am
Dear #34. Nice job trying to slander our name. Really, bravo for your efforts. Unfortunately for you the Anonymous on that video and the Anonymous fighting the cult of scientology are two very different entities.If you don’t understand that, too bad.
Comment by Anonymous — February 11, 2008 @ 12:07 pm
Anonymous, I hate to turn this into a PC vs. Mac argument, but I like both and the way I see it, it’s merely a difference similar to the differences in right brained and left brained individuals. It seems Macs appeal more to right brained individuals and PC, left.
Oh and Frank is oblivious due to the intensive brainwashing he’s endured. Poor thing believes everything the CoS tells him. Sadness.
Comment by Nonya — February 11, 2008 @ 8:41 pm
Oh deary deary me Frank. How VERY wrong you are. Poor guy, you’ve been brainwashed for so long you actually believe that garbage.
If the PC you are using hasn’t got Scientology software installed to prevent access to these sites (and if it does THAT should be enough to get you questioning) then I implore you to take a look at these websites…I mean come on…how much can it hurt to just have a peep? What have you got to lose (except maybe your entire belief system):
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.xenu.net
Comment by Anon Ymous — February 12, 2008 @ 2:25 am