Comments on: Scientology Denies Any Involvement In French Woman’s Kidnapping in Italy

By: CalorieCounter

CalorieCounter — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:20:57 +0000

Whoa, guys!

Just cause some idjits that belong to church “A” are get into an illegal domestic abuse situation, do you automatically say their church is guilty??

Do you do that when you read about Cosa Nostra or Irish hoods in Boston? Does every Protestant family with domestic violence get this kind of treatment?

We don’t have all the facts but, granted, the brother *looks* guilty. If he can get a fair trial in France (dubious) and if he actually *IS* guilty, I vote for jail time.

But it also looks to me like this whole board is exceedingly eager to jump to the unproven conclusion that the guy’s church is responsible. Unproven.

Wait till the case is made in court, then talk. Otherwise, you’re not dealing in reality, just your emotions.

And don’t think that her bro has a snowball’s chance in hell of getting impartiality in a French or Italian court, if evidence is circumstantial. If it’s fact-based evidence, then slam the door on him.

By: Martine Boublil « The Temple of Xenu

Martine Boublil « The Temple of Xenu — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:27:31 +0000

[...] info: - Arnie Lerma on the case - Glosslip article - translation of Italian article, from alt.religion.scientology - Lisa McPherson [...]

By: Mitsu

Mitsu — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:51:00 +0000

Absolutely no excuse for these conditions and I cannot even fathom why anyone with an ounce of brain would consider this type of treatment superior to an accredited facility. Any hospital or treatment facility would be held criminally responsible if a patient was subject to this type of abuse. Brother or no his licence to practice medicine should be revoked as he removed her from the hospital against her wishes and acted as her doctor.

By: Anon

Anon — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:34:17 +0000

Despicable. At least they didn’t get to cover it up and we’re living in an age where this kind of thing can be better investigated. *Looks around for OSA*

Hey, Mitsu! Haven’t seen you in awhile! Good to see you again!

By: hartley patterson

hartley patterson — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:30:58 +0000

Thanks for #31 Mitsu. Yes, that’s an extreme version of Introspection Rundown, the Scientology ‘treatment’ for mental illness. I presume it’s from the full interview in Le Parisien, of which it’s online article is a summary.

By: Mitsu

Mitsu — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:25:14 +0000

Thanks for the article # 24. This in Martine’s own words ( as translated by moi).
â€œSome years ago I suffered from a severe depression. Claude took me under his care. I was hospitalized for the first time, against his advice, for five days. He made me leave; scientologist viamently fight against psychiatry. When my mother died in 2007, my other brother, Gilbert, who is also a doctor but not a scientologist, had me admitted. In August, Claude, who this time removed me from the hospital, forcibly brought me to Normandy, to a house which belonged to a scientologist. Then to Sarthe and finally to Sardaigne. Itâ€™s in Nuoro, since December, that the conditions in which I lived in became much worse. The two young people watched to ensure that I did not leave my room which was on the first floor ( upstairs) . Finally, the room was filthy with only a mattress on the floor to sleep on. In the beginning I would sleep sitting up on a trunk. The others they slept downstairs in the living room. The woman was in charge. They spoke not a word to me. To say yes they would blink their eyes. For no they would leave their eyes open. They would bring me food, essentially some CORDON BLEU (type of chicken concoction), morning, noon and evening and some fruit. To relive myself I had a chamber pot. For clothing I had only a T-Shirt. I had no means to (was not able to) wash myself. If I tried to leave my room I was forcibly pushed back.â€œ

Also, police first on the scene “found her in a room which was covered in filth, the mattress which she slept infested with vermin, and she had but a t-shirt to wear.”

Don’t know about you guys but I wouldn’t keep my dogs living in those conditions for one day let alone 6 weeks.

By: Dio Brando

Dio Brando — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:47:45 +0000

The Scifags flat-out skipped reading it, or read it with the word “scientology” and “OT VIII” crossed out.

Ha.

By: anonymous

anonymous — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:10:13 +0000

Number 26- Obvious $cientologist is obvious. We all know who you are. We can all tell who you represent.

I suggest you do some research of your own, research outside of the materials and information provided you by your “church.” Fact: not all health problems can be cured by auditing and vitamins.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:06:06 +0000

Well done posting this story, it was accurately and clearly presented.

By: Curiouser

Curiouser — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 05:47:14 +0000

I find this story very sad. This sounds like a story about a woman who was forced into a mental institution due to depression which could have been handled (by good vitamins, chromium picolanate, etc., look it up) and whose family members successfully got her out but not before her brain and body was severely damaged by psychiatric drugs. It sounds like that when the police found her they recognized that she had mental problems and of course resorted to laws which give them the right to apprehend her.

I’m curious that if she was kidnapped by her family members then why did they release the kidnappers. Is it possible that this lady was not being held against her will after all. Of course I don’t know what medications had been given her and so I don’t know what kind of condition she was actually in.

I am curious but I can guess that the reason she ended up in a mental institution in the first place was some law which took away her right to choose not to have mental treatment which is of course various medications including psychotropic.

I would be curious as to the whole story and not just be interested in another opportunity to stage another attack on Scientology.

I am also very curious as to exactly what these “bite” marks are that are similar to Lisa McPhersons, especially as both of these women had been administered some sort of medication and we know that most if not all medications have various side effects for example liver damage (If you have a healthy liver it doesn’t show up for awhile).