The Lovely Marisol Nichols, Rids Herself Of Pesky Aliens Through Scientology
One of the worst things about the WGA strike this past fall/winter was missing some of my favorite shows. We don’t watch a lot of TV in our house, but the shows we do watch, we watch religiously. Our favorite by far is Fox’s 24.
24 is centered around CTU agent Jack Bauer, played by the ruggedly handsome and sometimes reckless drinker, Kiefer Sutherland. The show missed its taping schedule due to the writer’s strike. This means we will have to wait until the fall to catch this year’s 24 episodes, as we follow Jack Bauer and the rest of the Counter-Terrorism Unit, track down terrorists who seek to destroy the United States and ultimately, the fabric of civilization.
So, being a big fan of this show, it also shocked me to find Marisol Nichols, who played CTU Associate-Special-Agent-in-Charge Nadia Yassir, is also a Scientologist, and has been for many years. Marisol had been in a few films and had some minor TV appearances prior to landing her role on 24, and not surprisingly like many actors who belong to Scientology, she credits the “tech” of L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology for helping her with her career.
In an issue of Source, the Scientology magazine, Marisol talks about her solo NOT’s auditing sessions and her training at Flag Land Base in Clearwater, Florida:
Auditing on Solo NOTs has affected every area of my life. As far as my career goes, it’s been a non-stop continual climb. My ability to act, to be there, to create, just to do, has increased enormously. There’s so much more of me there, there’s not all of that case I’m fighting through. The think-think-figure-figure-which as an artist you absolutely don’t want–has gotten less and less and less.
I trust myself now as an actor, as an artist, to be able to communicate what I want to communicate.
Marisol also talks about how Scientology has helped her overcome internal obstacles too. And something about some tones. Huh?
“My assertion of rightness - which I used to really have - is gone. There’s a calmness to my space now. But oh yes, I move up and down the Tone Scale-now I know what moving UP and DOWN the Tone Scale means! In the same day, the same hour, the same session - it’s unbelievable! But it takes me higher and higher and higher towards freedom. I know I’m going to be free, and each session we get closer and closer to that.
“Another thing you should know about Solo NOTs is, that there were times in my life where I didn’t know that I could be this happy. And like I said, I go up and down the Tone Scale, but the ups are SO UP and they’re real and they stabilize, and it’s not glee anymore, and it’s not like, ‘OK, I can see above my case, and how long will this last until I dive back down again.’ The ups stay up even longer and the downs don’t go so down anymore.
Marisol is very excited about another aspect of her time at Flag and where she currently stands in her trip over the “bridge.”
“If I could say anything to someone who is sitting out there and not yet on Solo NOTs, it’s this: You don’t wait for your life to handle to do The Bridge, you do The Bridge so that your life can get handled. It’s reversed. If life is going badly, if you don’t have enough money, if you don’t have enough time, that’s all evidence that you just need to show up at Flag and get on your next step, whatever it is. I’ll tell you something: life and time NEVER, EVER work first, before moving up The Bridge. If I had waited for the ‘right time’- are you kidding me? It never would have happened.“Auditing every day - I still get amazed at how precisely the Tech works. Something will happen, something will come into my universe, and I’ll be just SOLID, down the Tone Scale. Then I’ll go in session and do exactly what Ron says to do - you do A, you do B, you do C, you do D, you do E. And I’m amazed, in a few minutes, the thing that was sitting there is gone - you just as-is the charge.
In case you are wondering about “Solo NOT’s” here’s a nice little definition someone passed on to me: “Solo NOTs This is the level where the Scientologist solo audits himself daily until there are no more alien beings attached to his or her body. This level often takes five or more years to complete. Also known as OT VII.”
You with me so far? Because Marisol is not done yet, not by a long shot.
“I remember what it was like to have stuff come in and you couldn’t do anything with it. It would just be, ‘All right, well, I’ll put my TRs in, or I’ll go listen to a Congress, or go for a ride or go for a walk, eat chocolate, go to a movie…’ anything to keep it at bay until you can go handle it. Now I can just go, ‘OK, I’m going in session and I know it will be fine.’
“As I continue to audit, more and more ridges are blowing, service facsimiles, criticalness… I can look at things now and see my responsibility in creating those situations, and then it’s just DONE - no blame, shame, regret, that sort of thing - it’s pretty amazing.
“Look, I get it. Life can be tough. And when you’re stuck in the middle of your ‘life,’ the idea of ‘Cause over Life’ can just be so unreal. I know! But if you just say to yourself, ‘Okay, life is rough and you show up anyway, and pick up the cans, just go to course no matter how tired you feel, those things in the physical universe just handle - it’s like those miracles you always hear about. Don’t wait. Just do it, and the rest of the stuff ALWAYS figures itself out. Always.”
Some more definitions to help you decode Marisol’s article, not written by me, but rather an expert in Scientology:
As-is the charge - Get rid of what’s bothering you.
Auditing — Scientology spiritual counseling, a form of ritualized, quack psychotherapy. Solo Auditing is when the Scientologist audit the Body Thetans (spirits) stuck to his/her body to get rid of them.
The Bridge - Shorthand for The Bridge to Total Freedom: the list of all auditing actions needed to go from “raw meat” to the highest OT (operating thetan) level, currently OT 8. The Bridge costs roughly $300,000 US.
‘Cause over Life‘ - The is the end phenomena or the promised end result of auditing on Scientologyís level OT VII.
Criticalness - Being critical in Scientology is considered a bad thing and something one should get rid of.
E-meter- A crude battery-powered analog ohmmeter used to locate Overts (undisclosed acts), Body Thetans (evil spirits), and Engrams (moments of pain and unconsciousness). The PC or patient holds the soup-cans electrodes, while the Auditor or Scientology therapist watches the needle on the dial. Circuitry is based on the Wheatstone Bridge. The meter was designed by Volney Mathison. Current “top of the line” models sell for about $4,000 US in a plastic case. Actual parts list is about $50-$100, making it a good money earner for Scientology, particularly since every auditor is required to own two in case one breaks down.
FLAG — The FLAG Land Base: the biggest Scientology complex, located in Clearwater, Florida. Called “the mecca of technical perfection” because of its supposedly flawless Scientology technique. This is where Lisa McPherson was held against her will and eventually died. See: Flag Land Base [Wikipedia]
Ridges are blowing — In Scientology a ridge is solid mass which purportedly develops when two flows collide. To blow them would be to make them disappear.
Congress - one of the many taped lectures by Hubbard.
Service Facsimiles - In Scientology it means a computation one uses to make himself right and others wrong.
Six-month Refresher — All Scientologists auditing on Solo NOTs are required to return to Flag every six months and receive Security Checks to ensure they are remaining true to the cult.
Chocolate - A sweet confection made from processing the cocoa bean with sugar and used to make Scientology less weird. Also helps with menstrual cramps and general crabbiness.
I don’t know about you, but the “Service Facsimiles” could really come in handy when I am arguing with my husband. I wonder if you need a magic wand to perform that one?
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Fuck, these show-biz people are such rubes, so easily flattered into spending time and money on something that just a little bit of research (away from the cult) would uncover as worthless pap from the mind of a lunatic.
$cientology appeals to people like Marisol Nichols and John Travolta because it tells them they are special, more special than the rest of us. It’s a con game, like the telemarketing scams that convince people they’re getting a chance at a great investment being offered to a select few “insiders.”
The mere fact the Co$ has “Celebrity Centers” should give potential recruits some pause. What other “church” devotes so much attention to celebrities and so little to the homeless and others among the less fortunate?
Comment by Narcissus — March 10, 2008 @ 3:22 pm
Its like “poof”….I can communicate what I want to communicate….if only I had something to communicate besides “poof”…..
“The ups stay up even longer and the downs don’t go so down anymore.”
Can you say bi-polar?
Paging Dr. Freud.
Comment by marcab — March 10, 2008 @ 3:38 pm
I’m so grossed out by their P.R machine constantly pimping Scientology celebrity’s out. It’s giving them a bad reputation rather than good P.R. It makes me feel all icky inside.
Comment by Anonymous — March 10, 2008 @ 4:34 pm
Why does this sound identical to the e-mail from Leah Remini? Who is really writing these personal accounts for the actresses? Does Scientlogy get anything if you are stalled on the bridge? Why are they really pushing you to move up the bridge? How much money have you spent on courses and materials? Can you write them off in your taxes? Why can’t Catholics, Jews, Muslims or Buddhists write off their religious training? Why do you need a sec check if you question the church?
Comment by Miss Cabbage — March 10, 2008 @ 5:16 pm
Is it just me, or does it seem that scientology really discourages introspection or thinking too much? It also bothers me that it encourages people who don’t have enough time or money, to spend more on scientology. Priorities?
The celebrity worship of this cult is just plain sickening. Then they USE these celebs like puppets for their own cause. And yes, it does seem that LRH taught that celebs are in some way more “spiritually evolved” (or whatever the sci-speak equivalent is) than the average person.
Oh please, the only real difference is that many celebs are just bigger attention whores - the CoS knows this and caters to it shamelessly.
Comment by liz — March 10, 2008 @ 7:46 pm
When I saw the youtube video saying Scientology targetted rising stars for its PR machine, they really weren’t kidding. Does Scientology run Hollywood?
Comment by Seenutheemu — March 10, 2008 @ 8:21 pm
D - Marisol is referring to the ‘tone scale’ that LRH ‘developed’ to help chart ‘good’ and ‘bad’ emotions/feelings… which is hilarious as there is no such thing as good and bad in the emotional makeup of humans.
If you want to see a diagram - go here:
http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/FULL.HTM
Comment by beebee — March 10, 2008 @ 8:24 pm
Stats = 5 to 1 Scilons to Marcabians?
http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=6497
This gives me a mad case of the lulz. Anon will soon outnumber them.
Comment by liz — March 10, 2008 @ 8:44 pm
If a person’s spiritual evolution could be determined by what they write, I would definitely put Marisol Nichols much higher than those writing the comments above and I definitely prefer her act over the one being given above.
Comment by Curiouser — March 10, 2008 @ 9:14 pm
Curioser, so tell me Scilon troll, you think someone is more spiritual because of their BS accolades that mirror another’s equally BS comments? $cientology is the amway of cults… By the way, “Patron” in scilon speak means her donation to the $cientology harrasment machine cleared, the bought title certainly isn’t for her humanitarian or social work.
Nanu nanu
Comment by Anon — March 10, 2008 @ 9:48 pm
You could just as easily ridicule anyone else’s beliefs. Christians believe in angels and devils, and have a dead body on a cross in their temples. Anything is weird from an outsider’s view.
Incidentally, you say McPherson was held against her will. That is libel.
Also, did you tell your audience that you ripped this off an internal Scientology magazine meant for the Scientology community and NOT to proselytize or promote Scientology to outsiders?
I understand it’s easy to get hits on your site by going topical, and nothing gets you more hits than to discuss Scientology. But it kinda makes you a traffic-slut, devoid of substance.
Sincerely,
Greg
Scientologist and damn proud of it.
http://www.liveandgrow.org
Comment by Greg — March 10, 2008 @ 10:48 pm
In case you didn’t know, Greg, I’ll point out right now that Anonymous has been protesting the actions of the Co$, not the beliefs of individual $cientologists like you. Those actions include “disconnecting” believers from their families, harassing and bullying and trying to destroy the lives of critics (”Fair Game”), and ham-fisted attempts to shut down bad PR for the Co$ through malicious lawsuits. Google “Operation Freakout” and learn how your church attacked a journalist for writing a book critical of the Co$.
Having said all that, I still gotta say all this $cientology crap about Xenu and body thetans is *hilarious*.
And I do find it funny that you’re “proud” to be a victim of the $cientology scam. And a little sad.
Sincerely,
Xenudo
Not a $ci sucker and damn proud of that
Comment by Xenudo — March 10, 2008 @ 11:01 pm
Ah Gred must you be so crass. Is this how Co$ teaches you to be an enlightened suoerior being? Do they not teach you manners? Calling people “sluts” will by no means gain you sympathy or support from us ordinary joes trying to get informed. And yes I did visit your sites and so far all I get is the same “script” over and over again. You even use the same vocabulary. Is there no origianl though at Co$? Can you not debate your side without resorting to such bullish behavior? Beleive what you will, no one is attacking your beliefs. Your organization, however, has much to answer for and your secrecy will be your downfall. I am Joe Public and as such a potential “client”. You have prided yourselves with great marketing yet you ignore the consumer. Brand loyalty will only get you so far. Many a business has failed because they fail to provide the right product or did not change with the times. Your religious leaders are dragging you down. Go to freezone: same product for a lot less money.
Comment by Mitsu — March 10, 2008 @ 11:09 pm
Greg, We do BELIEVE that McPherson was held against her will. Are you going to ridicule OUR BELIEFS by calling it libel? Hypocrite.
Reporting on a promotion by an organization is “ripping off” now? I think not, I think that material is newsworthy in the eye’s of Dawn’s readers. You know, people tend to report on things that their audience is interested in - it’s the bizniz. If you don’t like it, you can always get your celeb gossip else-where.
But then, I guess you feel obligated to defend the celebrities you WORSHIP like demi-gods. It seems you just admitted it in defending your beliefs which we were not attacking otherwise.
BTW, Ever wonder why the Co$ OFFENDS so many people that it can attract so much traffic?
Two possibilities:
a) EVERYBODY is just going crazy with bad thetans gone wild from marcabian control.
b) The Co$ has been up to some shenanigans you may not be aware of that we are not too happy about.
Comment by liz — March 10, 2008 @ 11:28 pm
Hey Greg, I am total slut, I am just waiting for the traffic part to catch up.
I was given this information and just because it’s a “CoS” magazine doesn’t mean it isn’t for public consumption. It is in the public domain, there for it is for public consumption. It wasn’t stolen, so what’s the issue? Oh I guess you are just embarrassed of your so called “faith’s” silliness.
Comment by D — March 11, 2008 @ 12:13 am
Oh, Greg, darling … I forgot to mention that I, too, am a slut. And I’m male. Just in case you happen to be so inclined …
Comment by Xenudo — March 11, 2008 @ 12:17 am
Now now Greg, no need to be rude.
Questions for you.
What is Operation Freakout?
What is Operation Snow White?
What is Fair Game?
Do you agree with David Miscavige’s call for a “global obliteration of psychiatry”?
What is the RPF?
Do you agree with the treatment of Sps?
And just for fun, if a psychiatrist that works with children happened to be drowning in a lake, would you save him/her?
Comment by MaxwellSmart — March 11, 2008 @ 12:24 am
Dawn - I think the reason they don’t want people to read it without being fully indoctrinated is because it would drive them away by sounding like multi-marketing drivel.
Greg, how much have you paid Scientology so far?
Comment by MaxwellSmart — March 11, 2008 @ 12:29 am
Hey Greg, here’s a video for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soGy9Ri3Tms
I want you to think about who is really devoid of substance.
Comment by Mr Bean — March 11, 2008 @ 12:36 am
A good article, as always
Comment by Jukka — March 11, 2008 @ 12:37 am
Oh, Greg?
Over the years, a good number of staff has blown. Do you believe that all these people are wrong?
Why did Mike Rinder, former head of OSA blow?
Comment by Maxwellsmart — March 11, 2008 @ 1:09 am
“My assertion of rightness - which I used to really have - is gone. There’s a calmness to my space now.” What the hell does that mean? Does it mean that everything she was taught about right and wrong is out the window? (That would explain a lot of things CoS folks do) Or does it mean that she doesn’t feel the need to assert herself as being right all the time? If that’s the case, it negates the rest of the article (as in, “this is the right way to live, the right thing in which to believe”).
Then there’s the whole “you do The Bridge so that your life can get handled. It’s reversed. If life is going badly, if you don’t have enough money, if you don’t have enough time, that’s all evidence that you just need to show up at Flag and get on your next step, whatever it is.” Yeah, because all it takes to make the reality of life (the good and the bad) go away is to slip into mindlessness you were taught by some delusional self-proclaimed god. Uh huh. That makes sense.
Nichols goes on to tell us exactly why it’s good to be a follower: “I can look at things now and see my responsibility in creating those situations, and then it’s just DONE - no blame, shame, regret, that sort of thing - it’s pretty amazing”. No shame, no blame, no regret? About something you’ve done? Blame is just another word for responsibility in many instances, honey. You should be capable of feeling shame and regret so you know when you’ve crossed a line and then you can learn from it.
I hope to hell all these celeb CoSers are making a ton of money as they play these ultimately degrading roles of gullible stooges. I can’t see how they’d be able to sleep otherwise.
Comment by Joanie — March 11, 2008 @ 1:39 am
I’m sure that many of the Legion Of Anonymous That Hate(LOATH) feel they have good reason for their LOATH beliefs that are based on LOATH lies which are “supported” by the “authority” of anti-Scientology hate sites.
To grace a previous LOATH comment: No, I don’t believe “someone is more spiritual because of their BS accolades that mirror another’s equally BS comments?”. I was only stating my opinion of the LOATH comments. Apparently many LOATH comments seem to support psychiatrists which if not for CCHR would have the force of law behind them to use Psycho-tropics, Electro-Convulsive Therapy, Lobotomy, Insulin Shock, etc. all of which have killed many people and are by no means free. “If a psychiatrist that works with children happened to be drowning in a lake”, yes I would “save him/her” but yes I “agree with David Miscavige’s call for a ‘global obliteration of psychiatry’”. Such twisting of words by various LOATH activists continue to make me curious as to just how much blood money LOATH efforts are worth.
Comment by Curiouser — March 11, 2008 @ 2:56 am
C: Can’t get enough of that “hate” meme, eh?
Look, Curiouser, I don’t see ANY hating going on here, except maybe for your attitude toward critics of $cientology.
Anonymous has made it clear that its protests are against certain actions (many of them hateful) of the Co$.
“Operation Freakout”
“Fair Game”
“Operation Snow White”
“Disconnect” from families
Google these things and learn about some of the atrocious things the Co$ has done to SPs.
Already know about those things? Then, if you have any morality at all, you would surely agree that pulling dirty tricks to get Paulette Cooper institutionalized or incarcerated was wrong. It was just plain wrong. And hateful.
And that was your church behind Operation Freakout, Curiouser.
And it was your church that tried to get that famous Tom Cruise KSW video pulled from fair use - by sending hateful, bullying cease-and-desist letters to websites.
It was your church’s founder who wrote the infamous Fair Game memo that said any tactic at all could be used to “destroy” critics. How hateful. How very, very hateful.
Your own “hate” nonsense is a “twisting of words.”
Comment by Xenudo — March 11, 2008 @ 3:46 am
Ah, but Curiouser–you need to bring yourself up to date on psychiatric practice. Although it appears that you picked up a thesaurus…a good step!
You see, psychiatry and psychology are practiced and researched according to the Scientific Method. I understand Scientology doesn’t allow for innovation, creativity, independant thought, or other “squirreling” so I’ll lay the process out for you:
1) Collect data relating to an area/problem/body function
2) Using the existing data, formulate a hypothesis as to why something is, how it works, and/or how to treat it
3) Construct an experiment to test this hypothesis. Frequently, at this stage your experimental plan would undergo peer review to ensure that the testing procedure is sound.
4) Conduct the designed experiments and collect data
5) Analyze data and publish results. Again, peer review.
6) Based on the results, readdress your hypothesis and modify as needed.
Lobotomy is no longer performed and is more or less universally regarded as tragic. ECT is only done as a last resort and has generally fallen into disuse except for the most extreme and unresponsive cases. Psychotropic medication is extremely effective, although side effects can be disruptive–but virtually all mental health professionals (the ones with “DR” in front of their name, not yellow shirts chasing away EMTs at disaster areas) will reaffirm the importance of talk therapy and attempt that before drugs, or at the very least in addition to drugs.
Psychiatry and Psychology have evolved considerably in the last few decades and the quality of care has for the most part improved immensely. All of the knowledge they claim is subject to peer review, publicly published, and testing by third parties.
All of scientology’s knowledge was created in almost stream-of-consciousness writing by a former science fiction author with no professional medical training. No studies, experiments, or third party peer review is authorized, and in fact all knowledge is held tightly under copyright and trademark. Said knowledge is also considered absolute and rigid, under penalty of squirreling and being declared a Suppressive and thus subject to fair game practices.
Forgive me if I lean towards believing the people who are transparent and educated.
Comment by Rick A — March 11, 2008 @ 3:48 am
What I love sooo much about these scientology actors and actresses, is their pompous congrats re their cult. I prefer to remind some facts: the more Cruise speaks of his cult, the more we get his cults secrets known.
I’d like to see te Body Thetans (parasite beings) of Marisol Nicjols, well: where do you put you parasites, Marisol? Why don’t you speak of them? Is it because your cult ask $200000 for that sci-fi story to his victims - of whom you’re just one exemple?
Comment by roger gonnet — March 11, 2008 @ 5:28 am
According to the OT VIII materials” Marisol’s now homeless body thetans are (and I quote), ” Body Thetans are just Thetans. When you get rid of one he goes off and possibly squares around, picks up a body or admires daisies. He is in fact a sort of cleared Being. He cannot fail to eventually, if not at once, regain many abilities. Many have been asleep for the last 75,000,000 years. A body Thetan responds to any process any Thetan responds to.”
What is curious, CURIOUS, is how many people in the world are happy and successful without ever having spent a dime on $cientology. From what I’ve read of the exco$ stories, there are more miserable unhappy people INSIDE the CULT than out (they probably could use some antidepressants eh?) The cult has an alarming rate of suicide and according to the OT IX materials, that’s really OK and desireable. (You just go get another body and come back better, selfish those SCILONS hogging all the bodies.)
Why do you have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to gain access to materials I can read for free? Why are all the SCILONS who firmly believe they are “above” the rest of us in everything the ONLY ones appearing on countless videos TOTALLY LOOSING IT? Why are SCILONS the only ones who got arrested at the last protest (and probably at the next one)? If you are all so special, why doesn’t that SCILON stare WORK to make us all go away? Are you ALL outtech and out ethics? Have you all brought this on yourselves?
YES. By continuing to abuse human rights, manipulate the system and people to your own ends, you have brought the spotlight of public (you know, all those happy successful people who never paid a dime for tech) persons down upon yourself.
If you want/need to believe in evil galactic warlords (most of which is plagiarized by the way, and if you could *or had the mind to* read it and reasearch it for youself you would see this..hell he even stole XENU/XEMU from Marvel Comics)that is fine by me, believe what you want, but behave in an ethical, moral fashion towards the rest of the world who might then confine their snickering to the privacy of their homes rather than public sidewalks.
If the LRH materials were EVER opened up to scholarly study and review the CO$ would fall, which is why it’s all supposed to be one big secret. He would be revealed for exactly what he was, a mentally ill man who could not write an original idea, filled with illusions of grandiosity, and in agreement with greed.
“they were not even big boots, they were a little kid’s boots”
A direct quote from LRH’s plagiarized space boot speech that was supposed to be found inspirational for the minions bowing to him on his birthday. F.Y.I he stole the gest of the story from an inspirational war-time tale called “Boots in the Sky”.
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-3282902859894544044&hl=en-AU
Curiouser you are trying to use the attack never defend policy, it’s not working. See, most of us have now read the SEKRIT DOX, we know where you get your orders from, knowledge is power. Knowing something inside and out gives one the power to refute it and turn it away.
Lord XENU/XEMU (of Marvel Comics) blesses you. Now, I think I shall go join the homeless Body Thetans and admire some daisies.
Comment by anonv.2.0 — March 11, 2008 @ 9:17 am
Its funny 23…you’d save a psychiatrist drowning. Well, most people, infact I’d say 99% would save any person if they were drowning. Now, when a person is drowning they scream for help, and need help otherwise they will die right? People with mental illness are screaming and in need of help to save them too. And your church would deny, or obliterate, them that hand that will save them from their drowning. For shame on you. THIS IS WHY (1 reason of many). Your church kills people. Hows that for libel?
Comment by On the Bridge — March 11, 2008 @ 9:32 am
Don’t worry Curiouser won’t be back, if it does come back it must adhere to
rule 34. Don’t read pages 4 & 5
Will not be able to read and respond to post 27 without being out tech and paying a fortune to “make it right”.
Comment by outtech — March 11, 2008 @ 9:37 am
Curiouser- Acronyms, you’re doing it wrong.
‘Loath’ is an Adjective meaning ‘unwilling’
‘loathe’ is a verb meaning ‘to hate intensely’
Comment by Black Rain — March 11, 2008 @ 9:40 am
so one could say, “I am loath to loathe any person?”
Comment by On the Bridge — March 11, 2008 @ 9:42 am
#13
Ah Gred must you be so crass. Is this how Co$ teaches you to be an enlightened suoerior being? Do they not teach you manners? Calling people “sluts” will by no means gain you sympathy or support from us ordinary joes trying to get informed. And yes I did visit your sites and so far all I get is the same “script” over and over again. You even use the same vocabulary. Is there no origianl though at Co$? Can you not debate your side without resorting to such bullish behavior? Beleive what you will, no one is attacking your beliefs. Your organization, however, has much to answer for and your secrecy will be your downfall. I am Joe Public and as such a potential “client”. You have prided yourselves with great marketing yet you ignore the consumer. Brand loyalty will only get you so far. Many a business has failed because they fail to provide the right product or did not change with the times. Your religious leaders are dragging you down. Go to freezone: same product for a lot less money.
Comment by Mitsu — March 10, 2008 @ 11:09 pm
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Hi “Mitsu,” I am also “Mitsu” on this site and others, and I believe I was posting here earlier than you, so maybe you could come up with another name to avoid confusion? Mitsu II or something?
Nice name by the way, how did you come up with it? Mine is after a stray cat I took in, who had 3 black spots on a white background - “mitsu” = “three” in Japanese (I grew up there) so that’s where it came from. It’s also the origin of the car name Mitsubishi, although maybe you know that already.
Anyway I’m not trying to be rude, I just think it would avoid a lot of confusion if we didn’t both use the same name. Thanks.
Comment by Mitsu — March 11, 2008 @ 10:35 am
Digg, por favor:
http://digg.com/odd_stuff/The_mad_ramblings_of_L_Ron_Hubbard_GIANT_BOOTS_IN_THE_SKY
Comment by Rao — March 11, 2008 @ 11:21 am
How about this, KSW?
Have fun SCILONS buh buh.
http://www.krqe.com/Global/story.asp?S=7989538
http://www.krqe.com/Global/story.asp?S=7995151
Yeah Narcanon works, it really works….
Comment by outtech — March 11, 2008 @ 12:47 pm
Hey curiouser, here’s how well NARCANON works..
THIS is how to KSW
Have fun SCILONS buh buh.
http://www.krqe.com/Global/story.asp?S=7989538
http://www.krqe.com/Global/story.asp?S=7995151
Yeah Narcanon works, it really works….
Comment by outtech — March 11, 2008 @ 12:57 pm
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http://www.krqe.com/Global/story.asp?S=7995151
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for Curiouser…Narcon REALLY WORKS eh?
Comment by outtech — March 11, 2008 @ 1:54 pm
OH SHI….some glitch tripple post…sorry Glossy
Comment by outtech — March 11, 2008 @ 1:55 pm
WOW outtech, excellent links!
Summary:
“John Brennan - president of Second Chance, a controversial drug and alcohol treatment program based on the teachings of the founder of Scientology.
The former judge who once headed the 2nd Judicial District Court in Albuquerque was arrested early today and charged with kidnapping and aggravated battery on a household member.
In 2004 the then-sitting judge was arrested for DWI and drug possession.”
And you would think people involved with scientology would be on their best behavior right now!!!
Comment by liz — March 11, 2008 @ 3:18 pm
Hello # 32 original Mitsu. I’ve been made aware that you already existed and hear nice things about you. :o) My Mitsu was also a cat I rescued and became Mitsu for 1) my third rescue and 2) the French Canadian singer. She was long haired all grey with white chin. I concur to change the name to avoid confusion…hope it worked.
Comment by Mitsu Too — March 11, 2008 @ 3:33 pm
Out tech great posts! Your right liz you’d think they would be sending out a memo or something. Where did curioser and greg go? It’s fun to follow these guys around… must be losing a lot of sleep.
Comment by Mitsu Too — March 11, 2008 @ 3:41 pm
Hi Mitsu Too - wow, what an amazing coincidence that we are both named after our former cats! My cat Mitsu came around very hungry and I told my boyfriend, “That’s a momma cat with kittens, I’ll bet you money on it.” A vet we took her to said no, she didn’t have kittens, but sure enough a few days later she dragged three little 4-week-old kittens through our kitchen window in the middle of the night. All went to good homes but we didn’t keep Mitsu, since she couldn’t get along with our original cat, Heidi.
On topic - thanks for the interesting info on Scientology, I’ll have to read up on these terms and see if I can wrap my head around all this weirdness. I kind of despise the use of specialized lingo in things like this. It adds this sense of exclusivity, like the members are so special because they know all this weird lingo that we can’t make out. To me it is yet another hallmark of a cult.
Comment by Mitsu — March 11, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
both Mitsus ROCK!
Comment by D — March 11, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
It’s quite amazing! The CO$ trolls seem incapable of any original or independent thoughts. Their responses are ALWAYS the same. I truly feel sorry for these people.
Greg if you are indeed proud of being a sci-member you should be proud of any and all aspects of the “church”. If the CO$ material is as great as you claim certainly it is benefital for people outside the “church” to see this material. Why is the CO$ so afraid off non-members seeing CO$ material….perhaps it is that we have not paid for them or have not been brainwashed enough to believe. Greg have you ever wondered why I can read a bible freely and look at the beliefs of Catholics then make a decision whether to join but cannot look at any of CO$ copyrighted material?
Essentially these materials promote one thing..moving up the so-called levels, to critical thinkers…paying more $$$!! Is this religion?
Never watched 24 I don’t really care who is this actress is, but if she did write all the stuff it’s no wonder the writers are so important
Comment by truthseeker — March 11, 2008 @ 5:31 pm
“..as we follow Jack Bauer and the rest of the Counter-Terrorism Unit, track down terrorists who seek to destroy the United States and ultimately, the fabric of civilization.”
“I think it would be a good idea.” - Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization
Comment by Seamus Ruah — March 11, 2008 @ 5:35 pm
Hey Mitsu. My Mitsu was hit by a snow mobile at 6 months of age and was near death. She had, however, and incredible fighting spirit and recovered enough to give me 8 great years with her. She developed epilepsy as a result of the head injury and thanks to meds was controlled enough to have a quality life. Hey Co$ that’s right even a cat benifitted from psych drugs! So glad to know you Mitsu and D thanks. We really need a third Mitsu though since it does mean three. LOL.
Comment by Mitsu Too — March 11, 2008 @ 5:38 pm
Glad to know you too, Mitsu Too. Good for you for saving little Mitsu kitty’s life. I have saved a few myself.
So if we had a third “Mitsu” would that make them “Mitsu San”? LOL
Comment by Mitsu — March 11, 2008 @ 6:10 pm
See, apparently all you have to do is post some entheta and the Scilons run away:)
Good work whoever did that.
Comment by wow — March 11, 2008 @ 6:56 pm
Ah yes Mitsu San would be priceless….LOL. And Co$ don’t even think about it.
Comment by Mitsu Too — March 11, 2008 @ 7:01 pm
Sorry, did I hit a nerve? I believe I was responding to the accusation that by obliterating psychiatry that any physical harm was intended. This is not the intention of any “fair game” that is referred to.
Such an “elegant” response to my references to lobotomies, ECT and psychotropic drugs. It is curious that Anonymous has not accused Scientology of plagiarizing their opinion of psychiatry as it is not by any means an opinion held only by Scientologists. I myself was once skeptical that psychiatry was so harmful and wondered why Scientology had such an opinion of Psychiatry, so I looked myself. Much of what I learned was regarding the recent use of Psychotropic drugs. Upon just now googling “psychiatry lobotomies psychotropics” I was actually overwhelmed with the many negative hits received from “third party peer review”, many of them referrals to books, not coming from Scientology sources basically describing psychotropics as a “chemical lobotomy” as it basically “put a person in a drooling stupor similar to a lobotomy” that “destroys lives”.
I selected representative samples but I strongly encourage you to do the same google to get the full effect:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/node/5372
http://www.stopshrinks.org/reading_room/drugs/dark_side_1.htm
So I’m even more curious and sickened that Anonymous so strongly defends psychiatry where there are so many authoritative books and online resources so very critical of psychiatry and not just its history but with the current use of psychotropics. Apparently Anonymous not only has not actually researched Scientology but has not researched psychiatry as well.
Apparently psychiatry has its own Anonymous to deal with as indicated on this site:
http://shrinkette.blogspot.com/2006/05/side-effects-side-effects.html
If Anonymous actually knew something about Scientology he would find that its whole development was hardly a stream of consciousness but a culmination of many years of work by a great many people. And just because Scientology doesn’t use chemicals doesn’t mean that it was not developed using a scientific method. This information is available in many libraries to be read for free.
Also, one can go to free Scientology seminars at a local mission or org and be given the materials and training on how to achieve the Dianetics state of clear without paying or donating anything to the Church of Scientology.
Comment by Curiouser — March 11, 2008 @ 9:03 pm
Curiouser, what is with your obsession with psychiatry? YOU are the one that keeps diverting the conversation that way and then when someone disagrees with you on the subject, you accuse them of PROMOTING it. Anonymous in no way PROMOTES psychiatry. We ALL just feel that the CoS has NO business meddling in ANY medical endeavor. Scientology has NOT ONCE proven itself to be qualified to do so.
And lets just say that hypothetically psychiatry really was “evil,” that still does not make your “church” any less criminal! Get out of that useless little loop you are mentally stuck in because it is not at all helping your cause.
Comment by liz — March 11, 2008 @ 10:40 pm
Also, it seems that the link below “struck a nerve” with you since that’s about the time you and your little friend, greg, decided to crash the party:
Stats = 5 to 1 Scilons to Marcabians?
http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=6497
Whatsamatta? Got you a little nervous, does it?
Comment by liz — March 11, 2008 @ 10:47 pm
So, Curiouser, still don’t have the integrity or the gonads to admit your “church” has done anything wrong?
I posed a question about Operation Freakout. Are you going to make history and be the first active $cientologist to admit Op Freakout was monstrously wrong?
You can see the Op Freakout memo at xenu.net. Take a look at it and tell me it wasn’t morally far over the line.
Go ahead. Show me you have some decency and honesty in you.
Comment by Xenudo — March 11, 2008 @ 11:15 pm
Find the Wikipedia article on Operation Freakout here, Curiouser:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout
Come on, tell me this is sterling example of $cientology “ethics” in action.
Comment by Xenudo — March 11, 2008 @ 11:18 pm
You can find the infamous Op Freakout memo here:
http://home.snafu.de/tilman/krasel/cooper/frk1.html
The objective is stated as “To get P.C incarcerated in a mental institution or jail …”
Helluva church you got there, Curiouser.
Comment by Xenudo — March 11, 2008 @ 11:23 pm
Miscavige seems to like to use some violent images though as evidenced by event footage. A grenade with “psych buster” on it?
I mean… seriously…
“A woman is safer in a park at midnight than on a psychiatrist’s couch,” booms Miscavige, backed by savage graphics of psychiatrists - or “psychs” as he calls them - being machine-gunned out of existence. Tom Cruise once publicly criticised a postnatally-depressed Brooke Shields for taking antidepressants, for which he later apologised, but I am now witnessing the raw dogma that lies behind his outburst. As Miscavige begins to crescendo “our next step is eradicating psychiatry from this planet, we will triumph!” the audience rise as one, wildly clapping and cheering”
http://cosmedia.freewinds.cx/media/articles/es231006.html
In any case, would you care to address the -other- questions I posed to Greg? They are still valid despite your attempt to divert.
Comment by Maxwellsmart — March 11, 2008 @ 11:49 pm
We non-Scilons are FREE to look at both sides of the issue of psychiatry and make an informed decision. Just as we FREELY examine both sides of Scientology. It would seem all this FREEDOM is what the CO$ is truly afraid off.
Comment by Rob — March 12, 2008 @ 12:33 am
Why reason with the individual(s)?
They have invented a false organization in an attempt to demoralize and divide the anonymous protesters against the actions of the Church of Scientology.
(The real U.N. Declaration of Human Rights is provided.)
Excerpt from Article 1.
“All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.”
To quote Curioser, on glosslip.com, post #23
“I’m sure that many of the Legion Of Anonymous That Hate(LOATH) feel they have good reason for their LOATH beliefs that are based on LOATH lies which are “supported” by the “authority” of anti-Scientology hate sites.”
Who’s rights are you upholding by this propagandizing of hatred towards a counterfeit group of “anti-Scientology hate sites”?
(It is also very, hmm, curious that you parenthesized two words that didn’t need parenthesized,but did not to a false-pretensed claim)
Perhaps this is done to look like it makes sense, but legally assert no claim whatsoever.
Comment by ObviousCoSTrollIsObvious — March 12, 2008 @ 12:44 am
I admit that I haven’t posted too much on these threads about the C/oh/S, but that’s mainly because I would rather sit back and learn and observe, than jump in on something I don’t know much about.
But I read this in an article (from a link posted on another article here at GL) and I believe it holds some definite words of wisdom:
This, from an article detailing how an ex-Scientologist was led to leave the cult not by words of ridicule, but by words of kindness.
It’s a very interesting article, worth a read. There is much to be gleaned from it.
Comment by k — March 12, 2008 @ 1:00 am
Wow, Terreyo really has gone to RPF.
Haven’t seen him in over a month! Careful curiouser, you might be next. But tell him anon says hi
Comment by Jukka Minton — March 12, 2008 @ 1:01 am
When I was in the cult of $cientology, these “success stories” would thrill me and make me work harder to get where she was. I would think “She’s right! Money and time mean nothing! I will have more money and more time if I go NOW and do these things in $cientology.” (I could not afford those things and I did not have the time to go do them, but hey! you’re supposed to ‘make it go right.’) I believed it, really deeply believed it. I was so brainwashed and I’m so embarrassed about it when I look back. The $cieno-speak is very important in this equation — it’s what makes them special; only other $cienos can truly understand what they say to each other. And, of course, they’re the only ones who know the “truth.” I’m happily declared a suppressive person. My husband and I got declared because we refused to stop talking to his brother. OSA sent someone to our house with copies of private emails and demanded that we disconnect from his brother and from a members only online group (which is where they got the emails). They are a frightening bunch, but I don’t believe it’s their fault totally. They’ve been sold a bill of goods and they are still in the bubble.
Comment by gargy — March 12, 2008 @ 11:08 am
Curiouser is employing a trained tactic to just change the subject that the Co$ teaches its followers. He wont reply to anything other than attacks on psychiarty and saying Anon supports it. Plain and simple everyone. We gave him the resources to educate himself, can’t help someone that doesnt want it.
Comment by On the Bridge — March 12, 2008 @ 11:20 am
If curiouser thinks Anon is being paid behind the scenes by “Big Pharma”(which is the rumor going around the church) or whatever else, then where the hell is my money? When am I getting paid because I sure could use it…
Comment by serious amounts of lulz — March 12, 2008 @ 1:58 pm
#63, your marcabian fun bucks are in the mail.
Comment by funny munny — March 12, 2008 @ 2:24 pm
I’d have to take issue with Curiouser’s characterization of medication as a chemical lobotomy. Unfortunately, I must only dispute this claim anecdotally, but none the less… I am on four psychiatric medications: two mood stabilizers, one anti-depressant, and one anti-psychotic. I do not feel lobotomized, nor have I ever observed any of my medicated friends behaving as if they were lobotomized. Lobotomized indicates that someone would feel abnormally tranquil. This is not the case for myself, as I am often subject to emotions at 10 times the intensity of a normal individual. If anything, with the example of say Schizophrenia, the presence of numbness, or flat affect as psychiatry calls it, is part of the illness, and anti-psychotics often return the patient to feeling normal affect…at least that’s what the research indicates. If any Scientologists within this forum have taken medication before, then I will honor your opinion more, but do not purport to know what you’re talking about if you’ve never experienced the real thing. As you often criticize Scientology critics for not really knowing what Scientology is about because they’ve not experienced it for themselves via accurate information, courses, or speaking directly with real Scientologists, then here is your opportunity to comment directly to a real psychiatric patient, not just an anti-psychiatry activist who’s never taken medication. True, there are activists out there who have taken medication and had extremely bad experiences who you’ve undoubtedly read about. But here I am, a pro-psychiatry patient who can inform you. You no longer have to cherry pick your evidence. I am at your disposal. I have not been lobotomized, and therefore am able to have a debate with you on equal terms. I will check back on this blog in the coming days, so if you have any questions, I am here to answer them.
Comment by psych patient — March 12, 2008 @ 3:34 pm
Response to #50 – Curiouser –
Name all the other “great many people” that developed $cientology (LRH is the only ’source’ - CO$ states this time and again…)
Where is the proof that $cientology was developed using a scientific method? Yes – information is available in libraries and online how your ‘church’ is nothing more than a cult.
Free seminars to sign you up to fee-paid courses you mean?
Watch out now – you may get pneumonia by trying to answer my questions…
Comment by beebee — March 12, 2008 @ 8:32 pm
I think the fact that there are so many critical books on psychotherapy is a good thing.
When psychotherapy was first been practiced it was by a society that had a very twisted view on the mentally ill. Ad a result a lot of abuses happened. The fact that there are so many critical books, and that victims of past and current abuses are having their voices heard, means that there is a focus on improvement within the field. A lot of things have changed in the field as more study and experiments are done and as societies attitudes change. And hopefully this revolution will continue.
There are still many things wrong with the field, but elimination is not the cure, continued improvement is. Psychotherapy has saved many lives and improved many for the better. And there is evidence of this everywhere, although I don’t know how limited your access is to things that are deemed ‘hateful’ by the CoS.
I am not part of this anonymous group, I am watching from the sidelines. I don’t have a mental illness, however, I have close family members who have bi-polar disorder and to deprive them of medication would be detrimental to their helath. I agree that all other resources should be exhausted before the use of drugs, but sometimes it is necessary, and I think that is a hard situation for some to visualise.
I disagree with quite a few things in the field of psychotherapy, but I know reform is possible and the positive effects for many are undeniable.
In the CoS there appears to be a lot of abuses as well. However, critical reviews/studies are not considered a way to improve the organisation, but an attack against it to be defended without restraint. It is hard to trust something that claims to have ‘all the answers’ but is so afraid of critics and will never organise a third party investigation to the many alledged crimes.
If I was part of an organisation that had so many accusations made against it. I would not be defending it. I would first be sceptical, and demand an independent investigation to make sure beyond doubt that it wasn’t happening. Something that I could hold up to critics as prove. And if it turned out tha accusations were true, I would demand that those resposible were held accountable.
One excuse against abuses within many religions is that at the end of the ‘we’re all human, and prone to mistakes’, if so, the organisation needs to have precaustions for this. And if claims are made against it. The best way to resolve or tackle starts with an independent investigation.
Comment by elly — March 13, 2008 @ 8:43 am
elly - $cientologists aren’t allowed to be skeptical - if they are, they are branded as Potential Trouble Sources - and have to undergo security rundowns and the Rehabilitaion Task Force to prove they are good little automatons…
That is why we protest.
No human should be treated like that.
And your words ring true - hopefully a Scilon will read them and see the light.
Comment by beebee — March 13, 2008 @ 5:31 pm