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	<title>Comments on: Israel Calls Scientology A Cult And A Medical, Moral and Social Threat</title>
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	<description>Celebrity gossip from our lips to yours</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CarnivUL of The fraudless: exposing the CULT &#171; The Frame Problem</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/07/israel-calls-scientology-a-cult-and-a-medical-moral-and-social-threat/#comment-40122</link>
		<dc:creator>CarnivUL of The fraudless: exposing the CULT &#171; The Frame Problem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] response to the release of this video, Dawn of GlossLip wrote: â€œAre there any countries left besides the United States who havenâ€™t declared Scientology [...]</description>
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		<title>By: AF</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/07/israel-calls-scientology-a-cult-and-a-medical-moral-and-social-threat/#comment-35697</link>
		<dc:creator>AF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"A) Your story about Miscavige is unconfirmed gossip - NOT facts. And your source for this story is a disgruntled ex-member. Check your objectivity."

"Gee, Bob, I sure am happy being a Scientologist on this happy day!  What do you want to do on this fine day??"

"Well, Don, I think that we should work for what our current leader, David Miscavige, stressed as one of the top priorities for &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; Scientologists:  the global elimination of psychiatry!"

"That's awesome, Bob!  As we all know, psychiatrists are all evil, and psychiatry itself is part of a massive plan by a sinister conspiracy!"

"That's right, Don!  We all know that!  ... er...  wait.  &lt;i&gt;How&lt;/i&gt; do we know that?"

"What do you mean, Bob?"

"Well, it just occurs to me that whenever I hear about &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; crimes or misdeeds being committed by &lt;i&gt;anyone&lt;/i&gt; in the Church of Scientology, I always sneer at the person saying that such a thing has taken place.  I call it 'unconfirmed gossip' or 'just a rumor'.  But when it comes to psychiatrists instead of Scientologists, I not only believe that &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; psychiatrist could do something reprehensible and criminal and evil, I automatically believe that &lt;i&gt;every&lt;/i&gt; psychiatrist has done something reprehensible and criminal and evil!  There is some psychiatrist out there, call him Psychiatrist X, about whom I know absolutely nothing -- I don't know his name, I don't know his town, I don't know his politics or his religion or his race or or his orientation or his philosophy -- how can I possibly pretend that I know this person to be evil??"

"Hang on, Bob, just want to finish up this Knowledge Report and I'll be right with you -- do you spell 'treasonous' with an 'n-u-s' at the end?"

"No, 'n-o-u-s'."

"Ahhh, many thanks, Bob.  Well, Bob, it seems like you're starting to question things for yourself, and show some freedom of thought.  This is, of course, one of the rights that you were promised as a Scientologist."

"Which is good, Don, right?"

"No, Bob, I'm afraid it's very bad.  You see, no one but an out-ethics Commiesymp doubleplusungood traitor would actually choose to &lt;i&gt;exercise&lt;/i&gt; that right."  

"But isn't it hypocritical for me to insult others for not questioning &lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt; sources when I'm not --"

"You don't &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; to question.  You don't &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; to think for yourself.  Who do you think &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; are, trying to &lt;b&gt;think&lt;/b&gt; your way to the truth?  The Church will &lt;i&gt;issue&lt;/i&gt; you the truth, Bob.  The truth &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; whatever the Church of Scientology issues you to think.  Now I think it's time you had a good old-fashioned gang-bang sec-check; several consecutive hours of coercive interrogation ought to turn up whether you hold any other Suppressive opinions.  Goodbye!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A) Your story about Miscavige is unconfirmed gossip - NOT facts. And your source for this story is a disgruntled ex-member. Check your objectivity.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Gee, Bob, I sure am happy being a Scientologist on this happy day!  What do you want to do on this fine day??&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, Don, I think that we should work for what our current leader, David Miscavige, stressed as one of the top priorities for <i>all</i> Scientologists:  the global elimination of psychiatry!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s awesome, Bob!  As we all know, psychiatrists are all evil, and psychiatry itself is part of a massive plan by a sinister conspiracy!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s right, Don!  We all know that!  &#8230; er&#8230;  wait.  <i>How</i> do we know that?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;What do you mean, Bob?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, it just occurs to me that whenever I hear about <i>any</i> crimes or misdeeds being committed by <i>anyone</i> in the Church of Scientology, I always sneer at the person saying that such a thing has taken place.  I call it &#8216;unconfirmed gossip&#8217; or &#8216;just a rumor&#8217;.  But when it comes to psychiatrists instead of Scientologists, I not only believe that <i>any</i> psychiatrist could do something reprehensible and criminal and evil, I automatically believe that <i>every</i> psychiatrist has done something reprehensible and criminal and evil!  There is some psychiatrist out there, call him Psychiatrist X, about whom I know absolutely nothing &#8212; I don&#8217;t know his name, I don&#8217;t know his town, I don&#8217;t know his politics or his religion or his race or or his orientation or his philosophy &#8212; how can I possibly pretend that I know this person to be evil??&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Hang on, Bob, just want to finish up this Knowledge Report and I&#8217;ll be right with you &#8212; do you spell &#8216;treasonous&#8217; with an &#8216;n-u-s&#8217; at the end?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;No, &#8216;n-o-u-s&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Ahhh, many thanks, Bob.  Well, Bob, it seems like you&#8217;re starting to question things for yourself, and show some freedom of thought.  This is, of course, one of the rights that you were promised as a Scientologist.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Which is good, Don, right?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;No, Bob, I&#8217;m afraid it&#8217;s very bad.  You see, no one but an out-ethics Commiesymp doubleplusungood traitor would actually choose to <i>exercise</i> that right.&#8221;  </p>
<p>&#8220;But isn&#8217;t it hypocritical for me to insult others for not questioning <i>their</i> sources when I&#8217;m not &#8211;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You don&#8217;t <i>need</i> to question.  You don&#8217;t <i>need</i> to think for yourself.  Who do you think <i>you</i> are, trying to <b>think</b> your way to the truth?  The Church will <i>issue</i> you the truth, Bob.  The truth <i>is</i> whatever the Church of Scientology issues you to think.  Now I think it&#8217;s time you had a good old-fashioned gang-bang sec-check; several consecutive hours of coercive interrogation ought to turn up whether you hold any other Suppressive opinions.  Goodbye!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anon, Anon, My Boyfriend's Back!</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/07/israel-calls-scientology-a-cult-and-a-medical-moral-and-social-threat/#comment-35592</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon, Anon, My Boyfriend's Back!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roach is a troll. He's either trying to paint Anonymous as religious bigots by lending his support while simultaneously bashing all religions or he's some zealous atheist trying to use Anon as his personal army...Anonymous is all faiths. Atheists, agnostics, Christians, those of the Jewish faith, the Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and yes, Scientologists. Run little roach. Run back to your hole and find your own army. The Germans, Marcabians, Psychs, Russian Mafia, and Big Pharma already have control of this one!

Scendy,

You chnaged your name but not the copyapasta. You suck. I don't think we talk about the LMT any more becasue we never really did...we talked about Lisa, but not the trust. Get over it. There are still several thousand other allegations to debunk...those nasty convictions, on the other hand, will be hard to debunk...

Greg,

Do some research...

Places CoS has been banned (past and present):

Greece
Russia
Australia
Great Britain

Places that have proposed bans:

France
Germany
The United States of America (TX)

I'm not going to list the places where Scientology isn't recognized as a religion.

That took very little research on my part. Confirmed from multiple credible news sources. I think there are actually more, but Terryeo told me to go outside and enjoy the springtime or something...

Oh, doo dah day, right, Terry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roach is a troll. He&#8217;s either trying to paint Anonymous as religious bigots by lending his support while simultaneously bashing all religions or he&#8217;s some zealous atheist trying to use Anon as his personal army&#8230;Anonymous is all faiths. Atheists, agnostics, Christians, those of the Jewish faith, the Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and yes, Scientologists. Run little roach. Run back to your hole and find your own army. The Germans, Marcabians, Psychs, Russian Mafia, and Big Pharma already have control of this one!</p>
<p>Scendy,</p>
<p>You chnaged your name but not the copyapasta. You suck. I don&#8217;t think we talk about the LMT any more becasue we never really did&#8230;we talked about Lisa, but not the trust. Get over it. There are still several thousand other allegations to debunk&#8230;those nasty convictions, on the other hand, will be hard to debunk&#8230;</p>
<p>Greg,</p>
<p>Do some research&#8230;</p>
<p>Places CoS has been banned (past and present):</p>
<p>Greece<br />
Russia<br />
Australia<br />
Great Britain</p>
<p>Places that have proposed bans:</p>
<p>France<br />
Germany<br />
The United States of America (TX)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to list the places where Scientology isn&#8217;t recognized as a religion.</p>
<p>That took very little research on my part. Confirmed from multiple credible news sources. I think there are actually more, but Terryeo told me to go outside and enjoy the springtime or something&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh, doo dah day, right, Terry?</p>
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		<title>By: Scendy</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/07/israel-calls-scientology-a-cult-and-a-medical-moral-and-social-threat/#comment-35472</link>
		<dc:creator>Scendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The slow process of "exposing" Scientology is actually the becoming the process of discrediting the anti-Scientology movement once and for all. 

Why aren't you guys talking about LMT anymore?  = DISCREDITED beyond reasonable doubt. 

http://www.sptimes.com/2002/04/20/TampaBay/Church_s_leading_foes.shtml

Yes, new rumors come up, and they just keep getting discredited one by one.  Soon, even some of you will get tired of the constant epic fail.  Your "facts" from "very reliable sources" are not so reliable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The slow process of &#8220;exposing&#8221; Scientology is actually the becoming the process of discrediting the anti-Scientology movement once and for all. </p>
<p>Why aren&#8217;t you guys talking about LMT anymore?  = DISCREDITED beyond reasonable doubt. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.sptimes.com/2002/04/20/TampaBay/Church_s_leading_foes.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.sptimes.com/2002/04/20/TampaBay/Church_s_leading_foes.shtml</a></p>
<p>Yes, new rumors come up, and they just keep getting discredited one by one.  Soon, even some of you will get tired of the constant epic fail.  Your &#8220;facts&#8221; from &#8220;very reliable sources&#8221; are not so reliable.</p>
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		<title>By: audit_this</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/07/israel-calls-scientology-a-cult-and-a-medical-moral-and-social-threat/#comment-35234</link>
		<dc:creator>audit_this</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bringing down this cult has been my personal crusade since the early 1990s.
Some interesting reading, albeit not the latest news.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9363363/inside_scientology
http://www.time.com/time/archive/collections/0,21428,c_scientology,00.shtml
http://whyaretheydead.net/
http://www.scientomogy.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bringing down this cult has been my personal crusade since the early 1990s.<br />
Some interesting reading, albeit not the latest news.<br />
<a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9363363/inside_scientology" rel="nofollow">http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9363363/inside_scientology</a><br />
<a href="http://www.time.com/time/archive/collections/0,21428,c_scientology,00.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.time.com/time/archive/collections/0,21428,c_scientology,00.shtml</a><br />
<a href="http://whyaretheydead.net/" rel="nofollow">http://whyaretheydead.net/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.scientomogy.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.scientomogy.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/07/israel-calls-scientology-a-cult-and-a-medical-moral-and-social-threat/#comment-35174</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If as the CO$ would have us believe there is nothing to hide and they are all above board so to speak; why do they seem so threatened by all of this coverage. 
Good reporting D. I applaud your courage and all of your efforts to find the truth. Thanks for being willing to go there and look into the dark corners and shed some light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If as the CO$ would have us believe there is nothing to hide and they are all above board so to speak; why do they seem so threatened by all of this coverage.<br />
Good reporting D. I applaud your courage and all of your efforts to find the truth. Thanks for being willing to go there and look into the dark corners and shed some light.</p>
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		<title>By: Capcom</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/07/israel-calls-scientology-a-cult-and-a-medical-moral-and-social-threat/#comment-35070</link>
		<dc:creator>Capcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating Chuck. Yes, there comes a time when reformation is necessary. It might be painful at first and heads will (should) roll, but once it's over, people will be free to worship via their own choice.

This is my new favorite current events blog. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating Chuck. Yes, there comes a time when reformation is necessary. It might be painful at first and heads will (should) roll, but once it&#8217;s over, people will be free to worship via their own choice.</p>
<p>This is my new favorite current events blog. <img src='http://glosslip.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/07/israel-calls-scientology-a-cult-and-a-medical-moral-and-social-threat/#comment-34978</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some control is more, shall we say, "overt" than others.

Christianity has had its dark times, its ugly periods. It's reformed and moved on; while it still wields secular clout, it is no longer the absolute authority in the Western world. 

The only text you need to be a christian is a bible, and it can be obtained for free. The religious tenets and the total belief structure are available up front and immediately. If you leave christianity, you aren't prevented from speaking to still-christian relatives. In most churches, donations are encouraged but not required; confession and counseling is always free and never recorded. There is no secret police to harass critics. If you disagree with how one church worships, you are free to look around to find another church that worships in a way that better suits your sensibilities.

Invert that ENTIRE paragraph, and you have scientology in its present form: control, greed, needless secrecy, and religious cosmology bait and switch. A modicum of "control" via suggestion and homily is far less offensive and harmful than direct control and active behavioral alteration to fit a specific mold.

"Whats true for you is true for you" right? Its a lot easier to encourage that when you make everyone think the same. Funny how the leaders of scientology stop applying that tenet the moment someone believes something critical of the CoS is true. Funny how they believe in free speech until it is speech they don't agree with. 

Only it's not funny. It's abusive and oppressive. And that has to change. Scientology can survive, but not if your current leadership doesn't change its ways. The next cult bunker to be raided just might be "Gold Base" otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some control is more, shall we say, &#8220;overt&#8221; than others.</p>
<p>Christianity has had its dark times, its ugly periods. It&#8217;s reformed and moved on; while it still wields secular clout, it is no longer the absolute authority in the Western world. </p>
<p>The only text you need to be a christian is a bible, and it can be obtained for free. The religious tenets and the total belief structure are available up front and immediately. If you leave christianity, you aren&#8217;t prevented from speaking to still-christian relatives. In most churches, donations are encouraged but not required; confession and counseling is always free and never recorded. There is no secret police to harass critics. If you disagree with how one church worships, you are free to look around to find another church that worships in a way that better suits your sensibilities.</p>
<p>Invert that ENTIRE paragraph, and you have scientology in its present form: control, greed, needless secrecy, and religious cosmology bait and switch. A modicum of &#8220;control&#8221; via suggestion and homily is far less offensive and harmful than direct control and active behavioral alteration to fit a specific mold.</p>
<p>&#8220;Whats true for you is true for you&#8221; right? Its a lot easier to encourage that when you make everyone think the same. Funny how the leaders of scientology stop applying that tenet the moment someone believes something critical of the CoS is true. Funny how they believe in free speech until it is speech they don&#8217;t agree with. </p>
<p>Only it&#8217;s not funny. It&#8217;s abusive and oppressive. And that has to change. Scientology can survive, but not if your current leadership doesn&#8217;t change its ways. The next cult bunker to be raided just might be &#8220;Gold Base&#8221; otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Roach</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/07/israel-calls-scientology-a-cult-and-a-medical-moral-and-social-threat/#comment-34964</link>
		<dc:creator>Roach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nonni - I agree with you completely.  You take everything out of context because you are so angry.  Do not ever believe that Israel saying something is wrong should help your case against it.  Israel and the administration there has no idea about right and wrong.    I believe in your convictions, but do not focus on Scientology.  Focus on all bogus religions that steal our money, our hearts, and our minds.  All organized religion is a blight on humanity.  Scientology and christianity are used for one purpose - control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonni - I agree with you completely.  You take everything out of context because you are so angry.  Do not ever believe that Israel saying something is wrong should help your case against it.  Israel and the administration there has no idea about right and wrong.    I believe in your convictions, but do not focus on Scientology.  Focus on all bogus religions that steal our money, our hearts, and our minds.  All organized religion is a blight on humanity.  Scientology and christianity are used for one purpose - control.</p>
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		<title>By: nonni</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/07/israel-calls-scientology-a-cult-and-a-medical-moral-and-social-threat/#comment-34947</link>
		<dc:creator>nonni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg and Roach?  We've all already read your tactics and you are proving our case.  Attack not defend?  Toss in a few "$cientology is awful", BUT ...

You?  Are so lost and deluded.  Lost little sheep.  But it's okay - all you need to do is start listening to people outside the Crime $yndicate you've been brainwashed into thinking is a "church".  Sad, you.

I will pray to all that is good that you see the real light and stop feeding the Misgavige Machine of Hate and Fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg and Roach?  We&#8217;ve all already read your tactics and you are proving our case.  Attack not defend?  Toss in a few &#8220;$cientology is awful&#8221;, BUT &#8230;</p>
<p>You?  Are so lost and deluded.  Lost little sheep.  But it&#8217;s okay - all you need to do is start listening to people outside the Crime $yndicate you&#8217;ve been brainwashed into thinking is a &#8220;church&#8221;.  Sad, you.</p>
<p>I will pray to all that is good that you see the real light and stop feeding the Misgavige Machine of Hate and Fear.</p>
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