Comments on: Hollywood Actor and Scientologist Jason Beghe: “Scientology Destructive, A Rip-Off”

By: Terryeo [tm]

Terryeo [tm] — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:20:59 +0000

@2 Cute. Nothing more anonymous that impersonating another editing identity, hey? Lulz. Maybe one day I’ll write a piece at wikinfo that tells my view of what goes on with Jason Beghe and other people who withdraw from the Church. Of course you should understand what he says, rather than only understand the snippets that bring you the most Lulz. No, Jason isn’t and has never been my idol, no, there is no idol worship in Scientology (nor Buddhism either). No, celebrities do not hold high Church positions unless they have joined staff. No, Ron Hubbard is not an idol, although scientologists tend to think highly of him and what he did. No, there is no prison camp mentality, as witnessed by a recent Miscavige relative who walked away. No, your money is not tossed away, you can demand a refund on undelivered services as Mr. Beghe did if you chose to. And now, off to the sunshine, Lulz!

By: b.chan

b.chan — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:10:29 +0000

I want answers – why was Magoo’s Youtube account suspended, why was Xenu TV wise beard Youtube account suspended today April 16 and Jason Beghe teaser interview original suspended off of Youtube today April 16???

Add this to them already taking down Anonymous’ original message and the T.Crooze video, in the past on Youtube.

This is terrible.

By: b.chan

b.chan — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:07:44 +0000

wise beard man Xenu TV account has been suspended and Jason Beghe’s video has been taken down (original).

why??

Why isn’t the full video of Jason Beghe interview out yet on Fox and youtube???? They said it would be up Thursday.

First Magoo, now Wise Beard gets YouTube account suspended….

what is going on here???

By: Anonyduck

Anonyduck — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:44:15 +0000

Basic course in Scientology language. I’m sure someone else can do better, or you can google for these terms, but I hope this helps.

Bridge = the journey from being a ‘wog’ (not in Scientology) to being an OT8 (a complete spiritual being with power of Matter, Energy, Space and Time (MEST).

Clear = The first big achievement on going “up the bridge”. When you reach clear after many thousands of dollars and many courses you are supposed to have perfect recall and to be free of diseases, headaches, and all trouble. You can lose your clear state through being around SP’s (see below) or through behaving in an “out ethics” way (see below). You then pay to get clear again!

OT = Operating Thetan, another level on the bridge. There are 8 ‘levels’, ranging from OT1 to OT8, (duh hehe). At OT3 you learn all about Xenu, the evil overlord who nuked earth millions of years ago and caused all these dead alien souls to end up stuck to our bodies in the present time.

Thetan = The Scientology word for ’soul’. Behind our mind and body is the ‘thetan’ which is our ‘real’ self.

SP = Suppressive Person, someone who will, literally, prevent you from gaining any spiritual development while they are involved in your life. Scientologists are often told they will not make more progress in Scientology until they disconnect from any SPs their trainers have identified.

Ethics = Scientology has its own style of rules and regs it brands “ethics”. To criticise the church is “out ethics”, to give money is definitely good ethics though!

MEST = matter, energy, space, time. Scientologist believe they will have power over all of these once they are OT8. They are currently slowly building a “super power training center” in Clearwater, Florida, supposedly to help their OT8’s tap into their super powers.

Auditing = a process of hypnosis-like ‘therapy’ provided by people with no training in psychology or psychiatry (which are hated by Scientologists). Auditing may involve repetitive and meaningless activities that the person being audited has to do for hours until a “win” is achieved – that is, the person being audited achieves some sense of success through the hypnosis process used.

By: Run-DMS

Run-DMS — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:12:20 +0000

The most salient part of the skepdic article is in the last paragraph:
“What Hubbard touts as a science of mind lacks one key element that is expected of a science: empirical testing of claims. The key elements of Hubbard’s so-called science don’t seem testable, yet he repeatedly claims that he is asserting only scientific facts and data from many experiments. It isn’t even clear what such “data” would look like.”
In short, bythenumbers, there is *no* good evidence that Scientology/Dianetics works at all. If you think it works, I would say you’re kidding yourself.

By: Run-DMS

Run-DMS — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:08:06 +0000

For you, bythenumbers:
http://skepdic.com/dianetic.html

By: Dan

Dan — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:56:59 +0000

Obviously the Marcabs und German Psychs made him a offer he couldn’t refuse. That, or Dobbs showed him Subgenius is better, I mean, hard to beat Hooker Factories and Beer Volcanoes in their afterlife!

By: nonni

nonni — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:49:06 +0000

and ffs, do not join the Cult!

By: bythenumbers

bythenumbers — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:10:50 +0000

#19 has a point in that no amount of advancement up the levels in Scn makes you immune to life or persistently ‘happy’. Jason wasn’t forced into Scn, he chose to do it and if he decides not to do it anymore its his choice. But, the only reason he didn’t get the results he wanted is because he didn’t apply what he learned, it’s that simple. Keep your own counsel, make your own opinons, don’t be sheep following the sheepherder.

By: marcab

marcab — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:19:13 +0000

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