Yes indeed, if Kaja had’nt met some idiotized scientologist of no competence in the matter of human psychology, she would be alive to-day. Yes indeed, if scientology was’nt pretending that everything in psychology and psychiatry and pharmacy and even, most of medicine and religions are bad or worse, Kaja would still be alive.

Yes indeed, the cult uses a perverted/twisted tool called “OCA test” to make people in. Yes indeed, the cult has been criminally convicted many times in France and in many other countries, after deaths or other horrible results. Yes indeed, deaths linked to scientology are before the courts in other countries than France.

And yes, the cult should cease both its recruiting fraudulous tests - moreover so to sell then other fraudulous (and already convicted) products to its victims.

Assuming it’s me (that would be the logical choice since I’m directly above you and responding to Terryeo), yes.

My Aunt killed herself (OD on painkillers). All three of my siblings attempted suicide, the youngest one less then a year ago (OD, OD, OD & slashed wrists if you’re curious). Also, my mother died of cancer when I was 12, my father was an alcoholic and I was homeless for 6 months. Oh and I also suffer from a rare genetic disease that causes huge amounts of pain and possible psychological breaks which could cause me to try and kill myself and not even remember it.

Do I get to be nonchalant as you put it about suicide now that I’ve established the appropriate suffering street cred?

You and I made the exact same point, that Scientology can cause people to kill themselves. Whether through teaching, brainwashing or in this case a poorly trained employee telling a mentally disturbed person that they’re a failure. So what’s the issue?

Terryeo, I’ll give you that the test in and of itself could not drive someone to suicide. You can’t take a happy, normal person, expose them to scientology and have them kill themself in a day. (That shit at least usually takes a couple years)

However, and this is where you and I differ, running a psychological test on someone who is already mentally disturbed and depressed, offering them the test as a form of “help” and then telling them they suck at life could very much push someone over the edge.

Scientologists aren’t trained medical professionals trained to deal with mental disorders (regardless of what you choose to believe). They should not be running “personality” tests on people who are not well mentally. And they definitely shouldn’t be telling depressed/mentally disturbed people where they fail in life and trying to sell them Scientology courses to “aid” them.

Telling seriously depressed people where they suck in life is absolutely the last thing that should be done, and this is where Scientology failed.

She MAY have committed suicide even if she never set foot in a scientology centre but you guys felt the need to give her that little extra push (out a window)

But I feel it is irresponsible reporting to imply that a one hour test and 5 minutes looking at the result, caused the suicide.

The test results have few labels, the results are by no means absolute and a person’s results might vary, one day to the next. It indicates areas of potential concern for a person. Areas where a little attention, a little education might be helpful. No part of it is an absolute declaration.