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	<title>Comments on: Mark Bunker, XenuTV.Com, Youtube, Scientology Saga Continues</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 07:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/18/mark-bunker-xenutvcom-youtube-scientology-saga-continues/#comment-47464</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 03:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He's baaaaaaccccckkkkkk. Both xenutv channels have beeh reinstated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s baaaaaaccccckkkkkk. Both xenutv channels have beeh reinstated.</p>
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		<title>By: J C M</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/18/mark-bunker-xenutvcom-youtube-scientology-saga-continues/#comment-38107</link>
		<dc:creator>J C M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said about youtubes' dilema, they really screwed themselves on this one by being slackers and inconsistent on enforcement of their rules.
I still can't understand the CoS move here. Don't they realize that trying to stop and delaying the release of the full Beghe video is only ramping up the press coverage and interest in the interview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said about youtubes&#8217; dilema, they really screwed themselves on this one by being slackers and inconsistent on enforcement of their rules.<br />
I still can&#8217;t understand the CoS move here. Don&#8217;t they realize that trying to stop and delaying the release of the full Beghe video is only ramping up the press coverage and interest in the interview.</p>
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		<title>By: ex Scientologist</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/18/mark-bunker-xenutvcom-youtube-scientology-saga-continues/#comment-38035</link>
		<dc:creator>ex Scientologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Co$ is a dangerous cult. I feel very sorry for the brainwashed members! It ruins lives. The government must step in soon to stop this evil cult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Co$ is a dangerous cult. I feel very sorry for the brainwashed members! It ruins lives. The government must step in soon to stop this evil cult.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/18/mark-bunker-xenutvcom-youtube-scientology-saga-continues/#comment-37986</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave2--they'll welcome you back, naturally.

IF you publicly repudiate your previous statements,
IF you undergo rigorous sec-checks and other auditing, 
IF you do a bunch more grovelling and demeaning procedures/lowered conditions.

Its FAR worse for Sea Org who blow, since they'll probably just be RPF for lyfe, yo. Public who leave and become critics will probably just have the above very expensive courses/auditing levied on them.

So, thats the crack: be willing to be a slave, or pay out your ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave2&#8211;they&#8217;ll welcome you back, naturally.</p>
<p>IF you publicly repudiate your previous statements,<br />
IF you undergo rigorous sec-checks and other auditing,<br />
IF you do a bunch more grovelling and demeaning procedures/lowered conditions.</p>
<p>Its FAR worse for Sea Org who blow, since they&#8217;ll probably just be RPF for lyfe, yo. Public who leave and become critics will probably just have the above very expensive courses/auditing levied on them.</p>
<p>So, thats the crack: be willing to be a slave, or pay out your ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave2</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/18/mark-bunker-xenutvcom-youtube-scientology-saga-continues/#comment-37981</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terryeo,

You're a Scientologist, so maybe you can shed light on this for me. You write: "The Church’s policy is to keep the door open, at least a crack, for people who denounce it."

But I was under the impression that if you manage to leave the Church, you get declared SP and are therefore fair game. And I was also under the impression that it is very difficult to leave and that people who try often get sent to the RPF. And that if you try to leave the RPF and get caught, you might get put in the RPF's RPF.

Anyway, I'm obviously no insider, so I'd like to hear what it's really like, but everything I've seen suggests that trying to leave Scientology is a nightmare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terryeo,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a Scientologist, so maybe you can shed light on this for me. You write: &#8220;The Church’s policy is to keep the door open, at least a crack, for people who denounce it.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I was under the impression that if you manage to leave the Church, you get declared SP and are therefore fair game. And I was also under the impression that it is very difficult to leave and that people who try often get sent to the RPF. And that if you try to leave the RPF and get caught, you might get put in the RPF&#8217;s RPF.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m obviously no insider, so I&#8217;d like to hear what it&#8217;s really like, but everything I&#8217;ve seen suggests that trying to leave Scientology is a nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: Desert Rain</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/18/mark-bunker-xenutvcom-youtube-scientology-saga-continues/#comment-37977</link>
		<dc:creator>Desert Rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Viacom will not pull the DCMA suit and YouTube should not attempt to use Anonymous as their personal army.
Viacom -The complaint, filed in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, contends that nearly 160,000 unauthorized clips of Viacom's entertainment programming have been available on YouTube and that these clips have been viewed more than 1.5 billion times. 
http://www.news.com/Viacom-sues-Google-over-YouTube-clips/2100-1030_3-6166668.html
I don't buy YouTube's lame excuse to single out Mark Bunker. Snippets are fair use.
I hope Mark posts the video somewhere else and Scientology stiffs Google for the Adsense bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Viacom will not pull the DCMA suit and YouTube should not attempt to use Anonymous as their personal army.<br />
Viacom -The complaint, filed in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, contends that nearly 160,000 unauthorized clips of Viacom&#8217;s entertainment programming have been available on YouTube and that these clips have been viewed more than 1.5 billion times.<br />
<a href="http://www.news.com/Viacom-sues-Google-over-YouTube-clips/2100-1030_3-6166668.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.news.com/Viacom-sues-Google-over-YouTube-clips/2100-1030_3-6166668.html</a><br />
I don&#8217;t buy YouTube&#8217;s lame excuse to single out Mark Bunker. Snippets are fair use.<br />
I hope Mark posts the video somewhere else and Scientology stiffs Google for the Adsense bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Vandell</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/18/mark-bunker-xenutvcom-youtube-scientology-saga-continues/#comment-37957</link>
		<dc:creator>Vandell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AF -- Well said. A very blunt and direct statement, without being preachy or pushy. I wish I had such such good and subtle debate skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AF &#8212; Well said. A very blunt and direct statement, without being preachy or pushy. I wish I had such such good and subtle debate skills.</p>
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		<title>By: sideways</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/18/mark-bunker-xenutvcom-youtube-scientology-saga-continues/#comment-37830</link>
		<dc:creator>sideways</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is just creating more interest in the Beghe interview. I know I can hardly wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is just creating more interest in the Beghe interview. I know I can hardly wait.</p>
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		<title>By: flash321</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/18/mark-bunker-xenutvcom-youtube-scientology-saga-continues/#comment-37769</link>
		<dc:creator>flash321</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark should open a new account post the video have a few trusted friends know about it. When he posts it have them download it. That way a few will have the video. Then if his gets removed the others can repost it. They should also tell others that they trust to do the same as they did. That way if theirs get removed the others can repost it, and so on. Youtube will be flooded in just a few minute with the video.
He will still be able to fight for his reinstatement but in the meantime get the videos out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark should open a new account post the video have a few trusted friends know about it. When he posts it have them download it. That way a few will have the video. Then if his gets removed the others can repost it. They should also tell others that they trust to do the same as they did. That way if theirs get removed the others can repost it, and so on. Youtube will be flooded in just a few minute with the video.<br />
He will still be able to fight for his reinstatement but in the meantime get the videos out there.</p>
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		<title>By: AF</title>
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		<dc:creator>AF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Observer --

It's a positive sign that you actually show some awareness of the possibility that what an organization &lt;i&gt;claims&lt;/i&gt; it is doing, and the &lt;i&gt;actual&lt;/i&gt; effects of that organization's behavior, may be completely different -- and that the rank and file members may not be aware of the disparity between what they're told they're working for and the ends they're actually serving.  

When you have the courage to apply that analysis realistically to the Church of Scientology, you will see that the Church of Scientology is not going to honor all the beautiful promises it made to you.  You will see that the Church of Scientology is itself an organization "that harms in the name of help" and that this is &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; so many people, from so many very different backgrounds, have chosen to oppose the CoS.

Did the Church of Scientology help or harm Lisa McPherson?  Oh, yes, I know what you've been &lt;i&gt;told&lt;/i&gt; by the CoS about Lisa McPherson:  that she died of a blood clot and so the Church bears &lt;i&gt;no&lt;/i&gt; responsibility for her death.  But if you think about that, you'll realize it doesn't make sense.  The CoS held Lisa away from medical care for &lt;i&gt;seventeen days&lt;/i&gt;.  Are you going to claim to the world that there was &lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt; that medical professionals could do in seventeen days to diagnose and treat a blood clot?  Even when the CoS staffers who were "treating" Lisa with the Introspection Rundown &lt;i&gt;finally&lt;/i&gt; brought her to a hospital , they insisted on bringing her to a Scientologist doctor forty-five minutes away -- passing up &lt;i&gt;four&lt;/i&gt; other hospitals on the way, including one just &lt;i&gt;two&lt;/i&gt; minutes away.  And she was dead on arrival.  Are you going to claim to the world that forty-three minutes does &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; make a difference to a woman on the brink of death?

The fact is, the Church of Scientology harmed in the name of help.

The Church of Scientology also sent out its "Volunteer Ministers" in New York on 9/11 and in London on 7/7.  I know what the Church &lt;i&gt;told&lt;/i&gt; you the Volunteer Ministers were doing -- it told you they were doing "touch assists" and it tells you that these "touch assists" help people heal.  But the fact is that the Church of Scientology has never been able to show &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; medical value to the touch assist -- if they &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; they would certainly do so as quickly as possible, because it would be the surest way to convince people that Scientology has real benefits.  Moreover, Volunteer Ministers have been caught on hidden recordings boasting that they weren't there just to push an alleged remedy with no demonstrated medical value on vulnerable people -- they were there to keep &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; medical professionals from treating those vulnerable people.  They boasted that they tried to keep psychiatrists -- and remember that every psychiatrist is a &lt;i&gt;medical doctor&lt;/i&gt; -- from reaching trauma victims.

Once again, the Church of Scientology &lt;i&gt;harmed in the name of help.&lt;/i&gt;

Observer, if you still believe that Anonymous members don't know the true nature of the "organization" they're in, what would you want them to do?  Examine the evidence for themselves?  Refuse to rely only on the group's own representations to find out what it's really doing?  That's exactly what you should be doing for yourself -- finding out exactly what the Church of Scientology is doing from sources &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; than the CoS's own representations, and then asking if they really match up with what they &lt;i&gt;claim&lt;/i&gt; to be doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observer &#8211;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a positive sign that you actually show some awareness of the possibility that what an organization <i>claims</i> it is doing, and the <i>actual</i> effects of that organization&#8217;s behavior, may be completely different &#8212; and that the rank and file members may not be aware of the disparity between what they&#8217;re told they&#8217;re working for and the ends they&#8217;re actually serving.  </p>
<p>When you have the courage to apply that analysis realistically to the Church of Scientology, you will see that the Church of Scientology is not going to honor all the beautiful promises it made to you.  You will see that the Church of Scientology is itself an organization &#8220;that harms in the name of help&#8221; and that this is <i>why</i> so many people, from so many very different backgrounds, have chosen to oppose the CoS.</p>
<p>Did the Church of Scientology help or harm Lisa McPherson?  Oh, yes, I know what you&#8217;ve been <i>told</i> by the CoS about Lisa McPherson:  that she died of a blood clot and so the Church bears <i>no</i> responsibility for her death.  But if you think about that, you&#8217;ll realize it doesn&#8217;t make sense.  The CoS held Lisa away from medical care for <i>seventeen days</i>.  Are you going to claim to the world that there was <i>nothing</i> that medical professionals could do in seventeen days to diagnose and treat a blood clot?  Even when the CoS staffers who were &#8220;treating&#8221; Lisa with the Introspection Rundown <i>finally</i> brought her to a hospital , they insisted on bringing her to a Scientologist doctor forty-five minutes away &#8212; passing up <i>four</i> other hospitals on the way, including one just <i>two</i> minutes away.  And she was dead on arrival.  Are you going to claim to the world that forty-three minutes does <i>not</i> make a difference to a woman on the brink of death?</p>
<p>The fact is, the Church of Scientology harmed in the name of help.</p>
<p>The Church of Scientology also sent out its &#8220;Volunteer Ministers&#8221; in New York on 9/11 and in London on 7/7.  I know what the Church <i>told</i> you the Volunteer Ministers were doing &#8212; it told you they were doing &#8220;touch assists&#8221; and it tells you that these &#8220;touch assists&#8221; help people heal.  But the fact is that the Church of Scientology has never been able to show <i>any</i> medical value to the touch assist &#8212; if they <i>could</i> they would certainly do so as quickly as possible, because it would be the surest way to convince people that Scientology has real benefits.  Moreover, Volunteer Ministers have been caught on hidden recordings boasting that they weren&#8217;t there just to push an alleged remedy with no demonstrated medical value on vulnerable people &#8212; they were there to keep <i>real</i> medical professionals from treating those vulnerable people.  They boasted that they tried to keep psychiatrists &#8212; and remember that every psychiatrist is a <i>medical doctor</i> &#8212; from reaching trauma victims.</p>
<p>Once again, the Church of Scientology <i>harmed in the name of help.</i></p>
<p>Observer, if you still believe that Anonymous members don&#8217;t know the true nature of the &#8220;organization&#8221; they&#8217;re in, what would you want them to do?  Examine the evidence for themselves?  Refuse to rely only on the group&#8217;s own representations to find out what it&#8217;s really doing?  That&#8217;s exactly what you should be doing for yourself &#8212; finding out exactly what the Church of Scientology is doing from sources <i>other</i> than the CoS&#8217;s own representations, and then asking if they really match up with what they <i>claim</i> to be doing.</p>
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