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	<title>Comments on: Leader of Church of Scientology, David Miscavige, Physically Abused Staff For Years</title>
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		<title>By: Terryeo</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/27/leader-of-church-of-scientology-david-miscavige-physically-abused-staff-for-years/#comment-40153</link>
		<dc:creator>Terryeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God am I glad I'm leaving Scientology! I personally have seen things happen far worse than what Jenna Miscavige relates. What goes on in the Sea Org controled prison camps is enough to make one run screaming. Being in OSA does offer me one thing though, I am able to access the internet without superiors loooking over my shoulder and without the internet I would have had no idea what the extent was of the criminality of my religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God am I glad I&#8217;m leaving Scientology! I personally have seen things happen far worse than what Jenna Miscavige relates. What goes on in the Sea Org controled prison camps is enough to make one run screaming. Being in OSA does offer me one thing though, I am able to access the internet without superiors loooking over my shoulder and without the internet I would have had no idea what the extent was of the criminality of my religion.</p>
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		<title>By: David Miscavige, Suppressive Person &#171; Temple of Xenu</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/27/leader-of-church-of-scientology-david-miscavige-physically-abused-staff-for-years/#comment-39966</link>
		<dc:creator>David Miscavige, Suppressive Person &#171; Temple of Xenu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] doesn&#8217;t seem to have lightened up in recent years, as GlossLip reports: MH: Well, from the time I showed up at Golden Era Productions in 1990, I had been there [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Transcript: Mark Bunker and Jeff Hawkins Interviews - Enturbulation.org Activism Forums</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/27/leader-of-church-of-scientology-david-miscavige-physically-abused-staff-for-years/#comment-39923</link>
		<dc:creator>Transcript: Mark Bunker and Jeff Hawkins Interviews - Enturbulation.org Activism Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the first 24 hours of posting (on a *Sunday*), and has already been used by Dawn in two releases (one two) and I am sure it'll get more use as well!   [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dio Brando</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/27/leader-of-church-of-scientology-david-miscavige-physically-abused-staff-for-years/#comment-39901</link>
		<dc:creator>Dio Brando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If DM punched me, DM would have no teeth himself right now and thatâ€™s all there is to it. Not to mention heâ€™d find himself in a very public and very messy legal brouhaha.&lt;/i&gt;

First off, you'd have to work your way up to that point, and to do so you'd have to fully believe everything.

Secondly, if you DID punch him, you'd not only have to fight off a bunch of guards, but he'd sue you and likely win. They have the cameras, they have the lawyers, and they have a bunch of witnesses who would testify against you. Your lawyer would get to deal with the entirety of the CoS harassing them, plus you and anyone you know.

Ever hear those stories where someone breaks into a house, gets beaten or shot repeatedly, then turns around and sues the owner of the house they broke into-- and wins? Exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If DM punched me, DM would have no teeth himself right now and thatâ€™s all there is to it. Not to mention heâ€™d find himself in a very public and very messy legal brouhaha.</i></p>
<p>First off, you&#8217;d have to work your way up to that point, and to do so you&#8217;d have to fully believe everything.</p>
<p>Secondly, if you DID punch him, you&#8217;d not only have to fight off a bunch of guards, but he&#8217;d sue you and likely win. They have the cameras, they have the lawyers, and they have a bunch of witnesses who would testify against you. Your lawyer would get to deal with the entirety of the CoS harassing them, plus you and anyone you know.</p>
<p>Ever hear those stories where someone breaks into a house, gets beaten or shot repeatedly, then turns around and sues the owner of the house they broke into&#8211; and wins? Exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/27/leader-of-church-of-scientology-david-miscavige-physically-abused-staff-for-years/#comment-39891</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deely-bopper, 

It's easy to be tough when you've never been in a situation where there were at least ten other people who would readily give their lives to protect the person who just beat you and would lie in a court of law to protect that person.

This is why it's a cult, it doesn't play by society's rules.  Marc would have killed David given the chance, but then HE would have been the bad guy.  Instead of trying to figure out why people haven't responded the way you *think* you would have, how about you consider the idea that our country has allowed this type of behavior to exist and rail against that instead.

Disparaging people like Marc Headley or Jeff Hawkins not only makes you look like a jerk, but it's starting to piss me off.  So, I am politely asking you to change the subject to something that's pertinent to the conversation and that's dismantling the CoS and bringing DM to justice.  All the rest is just chest-puffing and pointless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deely-bopper, </p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to be tough when you&#8217;ve never been in a situation where there were at least ten other people who would readily give their lives to protect the person who just beat you and would lie in a court of law to protect that person.</p>
<p>This is why it&#8217;s a cult, it doesn&#8217;t play by society&#8217;s rules.  Marc would have killed David given the chance, but then HE would have been the bad guy.  Instead of trying to figure out why people haven&#8217;t responded the way you *think* you would have, how about you consider the idea that our country has allowed this type of behavior to exist and rail against that instead.</p>
<p>Disparaging people like Marc Headley or Jeff Hawkins not only makes you look like a jerk, but it&#8217;s starting to piss me off.  So, I am politely asking you to change the subject to something that&#8217;s pertinent to the conversation and that&#8217;s dismantling the CoS and bringing DM to justice.  All the rest is just chest-puffing and pointless.</p>
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		<title>By: deely-bopper</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/27/leader-of-church-of-scientology-david-miscavige-physically-abused-staff-for-years/#comment-39882</link>
		<dc:creator>deely-bopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't mention Fair Game or Disconnection, because there was no reason to. The guy DID BLOW THE COS, so obviously he's just as Fair Gamed now as he would have been if he'd actually punched DM back sooner or later. The Fair Game repercussions for his online whistleblowing are just the same, so he might as well have done it. But he didn't. Before he left the base, I'm sure he had other opportunities to get his revenge on DM. But he didn't. And this still doesn't explain why he didn't call the cops and/or sue.

If DM punched me, DM would have no teeth himself right now and that's all there is to it. Not to mention he'd find himself in a very public and very messy legal brouhaha. Some people need to grow some spines, but if they had them I guess they wouldn't be joining cults in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mention Fair Game or Disconnection, because there was no reason to. The guy DID BLOW THE COS, so obviously he&#8217;s just as Fair Gamed now as he would have been if he&#8217;d actually punched DM back sooner or later. The Fair Game repercussions for his online whistleblowing are just the same, so he might as well have done it. But he didn&#8217;t. Before he left the base, I&#8217;m sure he had other opportunities to get his revenge on DM. But he didn&#8217;t. And this still doesn&#8217;t explain why he didn&#8217;t call the cops and/or sue.</p>
<p>If DM punched me, DM would have no teeth himself right now and that&#8217;s all there is to it. Not to mention he&#8217;d find himself in a very public and very messy legal brouhaha. Some people need to grow some spines, but if they had them I guess they wouldn&#8217;t be joining cults in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitsu Too</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/27/leader-of-church-of-scientology-david-miscavige-physically-abused-staff-for-years/#comment-39842</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitsu Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To deely bopper. It is always hard for those of us not subjected to such abuses to wonder why people don't come forward and why people don't report these crimes, etc. From what I have read and heard I would like to offer some observations. One if you read anything about cults in general, let alone the CoS, there seems to develop amongst the followers a sense of "closed society" where you slowly and gradually become cut off from the normal world. Your friends, family and acquaintances are all cult members. You are made to feel only the cult has the answers and the "outside" world is the perceived enemy, they don't understand, or they are potential sources of trouble for you and the cult. The less contact with regular folks the better it is. Cult members become very suspicious of anything or anyone not of the cult. You could say the cult creates a sense of total dependency on the cult for everything and creates a built in paranoia of anything not cult. Secondly, you invest so much into the cult wether it be emotional, intellectual, financial, physical, etc. etc. you live, breath, eat and sleep cult 24/7. You also have to suspend your critical mind because anyone that questions is soon to be made to feel as they are wrong or a threat to the cult by fellow cult members. Given that the cult members are also your peers and support structure one will soon get with the program because one wants to be part of his/her group and stay in everyones good graces. Also they are probably well aware that "trouble makers" get expelled or shunned by others and in many cases abused physically and metally for their behavior. Cult doctrine usually has reasons for this to explain thier behavior ( he must be possessed, he is PTS, he is deranged, and so on). It's the old better them than me mentality especially if you have been made to fear or loath outside services such as the police, social services or health professionals. One only needs to look at what is happening to the FLDS group in Texas regarding the removal of over 400 children. Despite having the opprtunity to plead their case to the media the cult members are still reluctant and secretive of speaking to the media about thier beliefs and practices. (Anyone that thinks having a bed in a secret room inside a so called temple where it is considered sacred ground and no one actually lives inside of it as not suspicious needs a serious reality check). And thirdly ( I'm sure there are many other points but these are the ones that stand out for me), Marc Headly still has family inside the CoS. In other words when a member leaves he can be guaranteed that if they speak out they will be disconnected from their family thus DM has had that ace in the hole for a long time. He hasn't needed to resort to more serious measures. Although there are serious allegations regarding several members such as Lisa McPherson that could show that they have indeed silenced people. With the latest development of anonymous it seems to me, in any event, that more ex scientologist are willing to come forward with their stories despite the problems. It's as if anonymous has made it safe for them for the first time in a very long time. They use to feel isolated and alone. They were also broke which in our justice system, despite the claims to the contrary, money talks. Now they see others speaking out, people like Jason and Marc who are willing to put it on the record. No offence to the old time critics and scienos, they have done a tremendous job in keeping the fire lit. But now with anonymous, instead of a few candles in the dark, we have a huge bonfire lighting all the dark corners of the CoS. People are drawn to that flame and are willing to stand up for their freedom of expression knowing they have others standing besides them. I wish no harm to the regular scientologist still in there. As Jason said there are genuine nice people in there trying to help. However, there is a deep cancer in the CoS and if the members are not willing to seek "treatment" that cancer will spread and the CoS as it is today will be no more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To deely bopper. It is always hard for those of us not subjected to such abuses to wonder why people don&#8217;t come forward and why people don&#8217;t report these crimes, etc. From what I have read and heard I would like to offer some observations. One if you read anything about cults in general, let alone the CoS, there seems to develop amongst the followers a sense of &#8220;closed society&#8221; where you slowly and gradually become cut off from the normal world. Your friends, family and acquaintances are all cult members. You are made to feel only the cult has the answers and the &#8220;outside&#8221; world is the perceived enemy, they don&#8217;t understand, or they are potential sources of trouble for you and the cult. The less contact with regular folks the better it is. Cult members become very suspicious of anything or anyone not of the cult. You could say the cult creates a sense of total dependency on the cult for everything and creates a built in paranoia of anything not cult. Secondly, you invest so much into the cult wether it be emotional, intellectual, financial, physical, etc. etc. you live, breath, eat and sleep cult 24/7. You also have to suspend your critical mind because anyone that questions is soon to be made to feel as they are wrong or a threat to the cult by fellow cult members. Given that the cult members are also your peers and support structure one will soon get with the program because one wants to be part of his/her group and stay in everyones good graces. Also they are probably well aware that &#8220;trouble makers&#8221; get expelled or shunned by others and in many cases abused physically and metally for their behavior. Cult doctrine usually has reasons for this to explain thier behavior ( he must be possessed, he is PTS, he is deranged, and so on). It&#8217;s the old better them than me mentality especially if you have been made to fear or loath outside services such as the police, social services or health professionals. One only needs to look at what is happening to the FLDS group in Texas regarding the removal of over 400 children. Despite having the opprtunity to plead their case to the media the cult members are still reluctant and secretive of speaking to the media about thier beliefs and practices. (Anyone that thinks having a bed in a secret room inside a so called temple where it is considered sacred ground and no one actually lives inside of it as not suspicious needs a serious reality check). And thirdly ( I&#8217;m sure there are many other points but these are the ones that stand out for me), Marc Headly still has family inside the CoS. In other words when a member leaves he can be guaranteed that if they speak out they will be disconnected from their family thus DM has had that ace in the hole for a long time. He hasn&#8217;t needed to resort to more serious measures. Although there are serious allegations regarding several members such as Lisa McPherson that could show that they have indeed silenced people. With the latest development of anonymous it seems to me, in any event, that more ex scientologist are willing to come forward with their stories despite the problems. It&#8217;s as if anonymous has made it safe for them for the first time in a very long time. They use to feel isolated and alone. They were also broke which in our justice system, despite the claims to the contrary, money talks. Now they see others speaking out, people like Jason and Marc who are willing to put it on the record. No offence to the old time critics and scienos, they have done a tremendous job in keeping the fire lit. But now with anonymous, instead of a few candles in the dark, we have a huge bonfire lighting all the dark corners of the CoS. People are drawn to that flame and are willing to stand up for their freedom of expression knowing they have others standing besides them. I wish no harm to the regular scientologist still in there. As Jason said there are genuine nice people in there trying to help. However, there is a deep cancer in the CoS and if the members are not willing to seek &#8220;treatment&#8221; that cancer will spread and the CoS as it is today will be no more.</p>
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		<title>By: AnonymousNow</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnonymousNow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@deeply-bopper.

"Honestly, I just donâ€™t see DM letting this guy walk, knowing he has the power to potentially bring down the house of cards."

Actually, there are so many stories of the same thing happening-- DM assaulting people-- that under your logic, DM would have to be a mass murder in order for you to believe that he "assaults" those people.  That's not great logic.

Rather, logic dictates that if DM did outright start killing people, rather than assaulting them, locking them away, driving them clinically insane via an "introspective rundown," or driving them to commit suicide, as is his modus operandi, he would have been brought down a long time ago.

You entire post is silent to the COS "Fair Game" policy, and the policy of disconnection.  Both of these are used to systematically silence opposition, to great effect.  Thus, your failure to acknowledge them is curious, or in the least, uninformed.

Also, you seem to miss the part wherein the victim stated he was about to hit DM back, but was pulled away by his thugs.  Your primary premise is that it is unbelievable that he did not strike DM back.  Thus, your primary premise fails also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@deeply-bopper.</p>
<p>&#8220;Honestly, I just donâ€™t see DM letting this guy walk, knowing he has the power to potentially bring down the house of cards.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, there are so many stories of the same thing happening&#8211; DM assaulting people&#8211; that under your logic, DM would have to be a mass murder in order for you to believe that he &#8220;assaults&#8221; those people.  That&#8217;s not great logic.</p>
<p>Rather, logic dictates that if DM did outright start killing people, rather than assaulting them, locking them away, driving them clinically insane via an &#8220;introspective rundown,&#8221; or driving them to commit suicide, as is his modus operandi, he would have been brought down a long time ago.</p>
<p>You entire post is silent to the COS &#8220;Fair Game&#8221; policy, and the policy of disconnection.  Both of these are used to systematically silence opposition, to great effect.  Thus, your failure to acknowledge them is curious, or in the least, uninformed.</p>
<p>Also, you seem to miss the part wherein the victim stated he was about to hit DM back, but was pulled away by his thugs.  Your primary premise is that it is unbelievable that he did not strike DM back.  Thus, your primary premise fails also.</p>
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		<title>By: AnonymousNow</title>
		<link>http://glosslip.com/2008/04/27/leader-of-church-of-scientology-david-miscavige-physically-abused-staff-for-years/#comment-39793</link>
		<dc:creator>AnonymousNow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"All the way up until I left in 2005 Iâ€™d say that I saw David Miscavige physically strike somebody or slap as you say or punch in the face, Iâ€™d say I witnessed myself at least thirty different occasions, myself."

Man-0-man....

Hmmmmm.  I think it's fair to say, once again, where are the feds?  WHere is the state police? Why is this not assault?  Why is this not an abusive and illegal labor practice?  How man people does DM have to assault?  How many people have to allege kidnapping and assault before anything is done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All the way up until I left in 2005 Iâ€™d say that I saw David Miscavige physically strike somebody or slap as you say or punch in the face, Iâ€™d say I witnessed myself at least thirty different occasions, myself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Man-0-man&#8230;.</p>
<p>Hmmmmm.  I think it&#8217;s fair to say, once again, where are the feds?  WHere is the state police? Why is this not assault?  Why is this not an abusive and illegal labor practice?  How man people does DM have to assault?  How many people have to allege kidnapping and assault before anything is done?</p>
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		<title>By: deely-bopper</title>
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		<dc:creator>deely-bopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's be logical for just one second, shall we?

DM runs a secret underground base that is essentially like a miniature city unto itself. He has goons and thugs doing his bidding, which is why Marc says he didn't hit him back. 

I have two questions.

Number one, why didn't Marc call the police and/or launch a civil suit for assault?  I cannot conceive of letting someone punch me repeatedly without either getting a couple good punches of my own in before the bodyguards break it up, and/or calling the cops on him afterwards. If it came to a trial for criminal assault, DM would probably win, but it would sure harass the hell out of him - and that ain't bad.

Number two, if DM is as evil as they say, I don't understand why all these people lived to tell their stories. There's nothing stopping DM from putting these people in irons in his secret S&#38;M dungeon. (Some people even think Church President Heber Jentzch is being held against his will.) Honestly, I just don't see DM letting this guy walk, knowing he has the power to potentially bring down the house of cards. Same goes for all the other people who tell horror stories. 

It's not that I disbelieve that DM is capable of the horrors, but for that very reason, I question why he didn't just make these people disappear when he had every opportunity to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s be logical for just one second, shall we?</p>
<p>DM runs a secret underground base that is essentially like a miniature city unto itself. He has goons and thugs doing his bidding, which is why Marc says he didn&#8217;t hit him back. </p>
<p>I have two questions.</p>
<p>Number one, why didn&#8217;t Marc call the police and/or launch a civil suit for assault?  I cannot conceive of letting someone punch me repeatedly without either getting a couple good punches of my own in before the bodyguards break it up, and/or calling the cops on him afterwards. If it came to a trial for criminal assault, DM would probably win, but it would sure harass the hell out of him - and that ain&#8217;t bad.</p>
<p>Number two, if DM is as evil as they say, I don&#8217;t understand why all these people lived to tell their stories. There&#8217;s nothing stopping DM from putting these people in irons in his secret S&amp;M dungeon. (Some people even think Church President Heber Jentzch is being held against his will.) Honestly, I just don&#8217;t see DM letting this guy walk, knowing he has the power to potentially bring down the house of cards. Same goes for all the other people who tell horror stories. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that I disbelieve that DM is capable of the horrors, but for that very reason, I question why he didn&#8217;t just make these people disappear when he had every opportunity to do it.</p>
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