Church Of Scientology Spokesman Tommy Davis Dissembles On CNN
Unbelievable amount of lies being told in this video. Xenu is a mystery? Guess Tommy never managed to get that far in his auditing. Probably not even a “clear” yet.
Tommy Davis is Anne Archer’s son. She must be proud to have raised such a prevaricating charlatan for a son.
Here’s another view of Tommy Davis being himself, bull-baiting John Sweeney into losing his mind. Why wouldn’t anyone want to join Scientology, it’s such a transparent and “open” faith?
UPDATE: Some comments had me thinking my first impression of Tommy in this video was correct. The poor man seems beaten down and dejected. His eyes look sad and he seems bewildered. It’s cruel to watch these people be overworked and forced to defend the indefensible. Mr. Davis, it’s ok to leave. Please bring your mom with you, we’d love to have her back.
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yeah.
wow.
tommy davis is not looking good.
i cant believe he was so unprepared.
“that is unrecognizable to me” x 2?
just…wow.
Comment by lmfao — May 8, 2008 @ 8:59 pm
Ouch…and Thursdays art stats day. -9000 HP for tommy:(
Comment by gary — May 8, 2008 @ 9:13 pm
Tommy tool spent his time trying to pimp laughable scientology literature.
Comment by lol — May 8, 2008 @ 9:23 pm
awww dawn you never fail me !!!! thank you for keeping operation “exposing scientology lies” working
Comment by ohbuddy — May 8, 2008 @ 9:28 pm
Wasn’t Tommy in the RPF after the BBC fiasco? Miscavige is so desperate for workers, he had to pull Tommy out of slave labor to “Keep Scientology Working”
Rinder blew, so can you Tommy
Comment by Anonymous — May 8, 2008 @ 9:35 pm
He looks terrible. What did they do to him in RPF?!? On the BBC report he was sharply dressed and very focused, here he looks a mess with his shirt and tie askew. He looks like he hasn’t slept in a week, he’s twitchy, shifty and seems a bit detached. He looks like he’s almost in pain with some of his facial expressions at certain points.
He didn’t really answer anything, and even his more well-rehearsed lies and “acceptable truths” were poorly delivered, he was stuttering WAY too much for someone with his public speaking experience.
Plus, talked over the reporter several times and there were a couple of moments where he seemed rude and condescending. He plugged the website like 4x.
I loved how he started nodding when the reporter brought up the IRS then suddenly stopped, did a deer in headlights look for a second and let his jaw drop a bit when he was told that no evidence has been found that link Anonymous to the allegations he was making.
The reporter seemed annoyed but acted professional and polite, of course.
100x more patience than I, that’s for sure!
Comment by liz — May 8, 2008 @ 9:47 pm
Two points -
1) I’ve done the OT Levels. Never does Hubbard mention “space aliens parasites” inhabiting your body. Clear is as described in Dianetics, the removal of all “engrams” and erasing one’s “reactive mind”.
2) Disconnection is an accepted solution in the Church. I’m very disappointed that Tommy denied this. However, most disconnections I’ve seen were incorrect, actions taken rather then the affected person properly handling the problem with the other person. Disconnection is a last resort, only taken when you can’t stop the other person from continually trying to harm you.
I use Scientology daily in my relationships and my business. It helps me and those around me. The tools I use are right out of the books you can check out of any library - Problems of Work, New Slant on Life, Self Analysis, Fundamentals of Thought. You don’t have to pay a dime to avail yourself of these techniques, you don’t have to pay for classes or counselling to better yourself with Scientology.
Comment by Merrill — May 8, 2008 @ 9:47 pm
When Tommy Davis is asked during this CNN interview about the policy of Disconnection, he makes the following statements.
“There’s no such thing as… Disconnection”
“Anything that’s characterized as Disconnection or this kind of thing, it’s just not true. There isn’t any such policy in the Church that’s dictating who people should or should not be in communication with. It just doesn’t happen.”
Later on in the interview, Tommy invites us to check things out for ourselves, to go to the website, to make our own decisions.
So I went to scientology.org. I found on their page about PTS Handling (how to deal with a Potential Trouble Source) the following:
“There are two stable data which anyone has to have, understand and know are true in order to obtain results in handling the person connected to suppressives.
“These data are:
“1. That all illness in greater or lesser degree and all foul-ups stem directly and only from a PTS condition.
“2. That getting rid of the condition requires three basic actions: (A) Discover; (B) Handle or (C) Disconnect.”
http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/SH11_4.HTM
So, according to their own website, there IS such a thing as disconnection.
Tommy Davis lied to all of us on national television. It is yet another black mark on the Church that they have chosen to appoint a man who lies so easily as their spokesperson.
Comment by A non-moose — May 8, 2008 @ 9:50 pm
Classic COS responses….attack or deny.
Comment by D-Bomb — May 8, 2008 @ 10:19 pm
Merrill, it IS true that Hubbard never mentions “space aliens parasites.” But he does frequently mention Body Thetans, did he not?
It seems to be a very typical practice for Scientologists to use semantics as an avoidance method when it comes to things they’d rather not discuss.
Kind of like when a CoS representative stated that no LAWYER from Latham & Watkins had ever delivered a letter to a protester. She never said that the letters weren’t sent by the firm though.
Or how on the scientology myths site it states quite adamantly that scientologists “do not pray to or worship somebody called Zenu, Xemu or Xenu”. It doesn’t say scientologists don’t BELIEVE in XENU though, does it?
http://www.scientologymyths.info/aliens/what-is-zenu.php
Comment by liz — May 8, 2008 @ 10:23 pm
I found this ariticle on Google news search for Scientology. I just went back and refreshed the search and it disappeared…I see this happen time and again.
Comment by Scott — May 8, 2008 @ 10:29 pm
Merrill, on your second point, I am terribly sorry about the disappointment you feel, but I’m afraid that this may not be the last of such behavior from the CoS representatives you may witness. I’m sorry to say that the rest of us have become used to it to the point of expecting it.
That aside, I can say that from the scientology materials I’ve read (dianetics, new slant, and misc. literature), there are indeed some interesting insights and theories.
However, NONE of that (or any number of “touch assists”) is justification for the injustices of the “Church” of Scientology.
I truly believe that the CoS is harmful to the reputation of Scientology, Merrill. If the CoS doesn’t make the necessary adjustments to improve it’s public reputation and relations, it will continue to be detrimental to any potential good Scientology may offer to the world.
Comment by liz — May 8, 2008 @ 10:37 pm
Scott, I’ve seen it quite a bit too.
It happened with this article on the subject earlier today as well:
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2008/05/scientology_spo.php
Comment by liz — May 8, 2008 @ 10:39 pm
Merrill –
“1) I’ve done the OT Levels. Never does Hubbard mention “space aliens parasites” inhabiting your body. Clear is as described in Dianetics, the removal of all “engrams” and erasing one’s “reactive mind”.”
Well, Hubbard never calls body thetans “space aliens parasites” in those words. They are undeniably “space aliens” the way Hubbard describes them, however. And I will concede body thetans are not technically parasites: their described pattern of behavior is identical to the behavior of parasites from the host’s perspective, but technically it is not parasitic since their invasion of the host is not of benefit to themselves.
However, if you are trying to say that you have done the OT Levels and there is nothing in there about body thetans at all, then either you have only done the new versions of the OT levels, radically revised after Hubbard’s death, OR … well, the alternative is obvious. We know about the original OT III, with Xenu and the space planes and the volcanos and the body thetans and we know this for a fact because Warren McShane went into court and testified as Scientology’s witness that not only was that the essence of OT III, but that those aspects of OT III had never been secret.
So if you think you’re telling a clever “acceptable truth” by claiming “Oh, Hubbard never mentioned ’space aliens parasites’!” when you know full well that Hubbard did mention space aliens acting in a parasitical fashion, give it up, it’s not fooling anyone. And if by slim chance you actually didn’t know that the OT Levels that Hubbard wrote contained a stirring little science fiction to tell about a Galactic Emperor and his inefficient solution to an overpopulation problem, then you should really ask yourself whether you really know what you’re getting in return for all your money.
Comment by AF — May 8, 2008 @ 11:02 pm
Tommy, Tommy, Tommy—what happened in the RPF? It looks like they broke you in there. You don’t even have the energy to act like a raging asshole anymore–you come off as meager and uncertain.
If you blow, you can rebuild and start to figure out who you really are. Promise.
Comment by charlottesometimes — May 8, 2008 @ 11:43 pm
I think the real question here is not whether Tommy has been devastated by his time in the RPF, nor, really, the lies that were spewed.
The issue that blows me away is the very basic tenet of Hubbard’s teaching is to attack, never defend.
Yet, here they are denying and defending like crazy.
There is no one to attack since Anonymous is a faceless group and attacking the Internet is ridiculous and stupid.
Anyone want to take actual bets on the date and time of the church’s demise?
Comment by satan with a lisp — May 9, 2008 @ 12:04 am
In Tommy’s defense, it was 5:30AM for him during that interview. I can say with some degree of cetainty that most of us might not look our best in similar times.
Also, one BIG aspect of his RPF would have been “Do NOT come off as an asshole on NATIONAL TELEVISION.” So for him to appear….less animated than his previous BBC performance is perhaps to be expected.
All that aside, he lied through his teeth, gums, lips, etc. The only way he could be perceived as being more in damage control/denial mode would be if he was holding an arc welder and a wrench.
Comment by Anonymous — May 9, 2008 @ 12:40 am
Skip the joyful dance and crocodile tears at another human being’s screw-up. It’s too revealing of your real personality.
Get to the facts: Disconnection *can* occur, but a person has to go WAY out of his/her way to make themselves a red-hot pain in the ass to get it invoked.
I’ve had a few relatives who were less than thrilled about my being in Scientology.
But they also had the good breeding and cared enough about me and my happiness *not* to rant, pitch a bitch, or give me crap about it.
And even if one had insisted on starting fights about my religion, there would be many, many steps tried to restore harmony before I’d throw my hands in the air and say, “Screw `em. They are outta my life.”
So all the oily, self-righteous, artificial indignation on the Web about disconnection is just an excuse slathered on top of someone’s festering, innate hostility so s/he can point to a trumped-up reason to attack something, especially Scientology…Anonymously.
Comment by CalorieCounter — May 9, 2008 @ 3:15 am
Oh, right. Let’s just ignore the statements of the guy who’s been selected as spokesperson of the multibillion-dollar organization.
Let’s instead lend credence to “death threats” that even the FBI can’t verify.
This is the strategy that’s gonna get the public on our side.
Comment by A non-moose — May 9, 2008 @ 4:29 am
God that little prick irritates me.
But yeah, he looks terrible. As soon as I saw him, muy gut reaction was that it was really early on the West coast, but as the interview progressed, you could tell something was off. And not just a little off. Terrible.
I wish these interviewers knew more facts to counter with. Like the fact that Scientology talks about disconnection on it’s own website. Or the fact that while Tommy’s hands are far from clean, he isn’t as privy to the organization as he thinks he is. Or the fact that even though OT3 is true, Scientology says he can never discuss it. It’s been confirmed in court trials, but he can NEVER admit it. If I was interviewing him, I’d at least bring up the Disconnection and OT3 thing. I’d love a chance to verbally spar with that motherfucker.
Does look terrible though. For shame.
Comment by VictoireFlamel — May 9, 2008 @ 4:48 am
Calorie–while that may be the case for you, what about parents who feel that their child is getting duped/suckered into something? Or the husband/wife having concerns over their spouse looking to spend hundreds or thousands on auditing or courses? Or the friends/family who do some research and conclude that Hubbard was full of shit/rum/vistaril and try to appeal to the person’s sense of rational thought?
All of the above is sufficient for the skeptic to be labeled “suppressive” and you could them be labeled “PTS” and denied services until you handle them.
Is it “bad breeding” for any of the above people to be concerned about their friend/family member and mention said concerns?
If you had a friend who decided to start smoking and didn’t seem to be aware of the risks, wouldn’t you warn them or express concern for their health?
Hell, the person might not say one word about Scientology to get declared. Jason Beghe had a CAR ACCIDENT blamed by his auditor/case officer on a gay friend (who, presumably, wasn’t driving either vehicle). You can’t make a gay person not gay, so disconnection is pretty much the only way you can handle them.
While there may be instances of an asshole friend, usually the pressure to disconnect comes from the CoS, not the “parishioner.” The CoS are the ones who seek to consolidate their hold on your mindshare by saying “It’s your eternity and us, or your friend/relative. Choose One.”
Comment by Anonymous — May 9, 2008 @ 6:06 am
What really hit home for me was the difference in demeanor when put into different situations. On CNN, Tommy appeared to be a small sheep in a big heard with few direct answers. [ although, you did get a sense of his contained hostility.] But when left alone with the BBC in his own territory, he was a totally different person. Kind of Jekkyl Hyde like in his confrontations. I never really had a sense of how hostile COS representatives could be until I saw this.No matter what complaints I may have with the Catholic church, I can be guaranteed this type of crazy would never happen. It’s all quite scary.
Comment by D-Bomb — May 9, 2008 @ 6:58 am
What really stands out for me while watching Tommy Davis is his “eyes”. They look swollen even if he had gotten up early ( or maybe was up all night). Also his left eye was practically twitchin out of its socket. Rapid blinking, eyes looking quickly to the side and staring straight ahead. He never answered a question directly but came speaking his obviously well rehearsed schill about the CoS web site. He really wanted to get that in there. And those “things are unrecognizable” to me. Who speaks like that? Basically to me he did not say it was not true just that they were unrecognizable to him. Hmmmmmmm sounds like more of what’s true for me is true for me. Tommy Davis does not look or sound very well and I fear that was his last official performance for the CoS as once again they left more questions unanswered than answered. Oh and Tommy you state people should read, watch videos and find out for themselves. That’s what is happening, people ARE reading, ARE watching videos and ARE getting educated for themselves and it’s not costing us a cent to find out what the CoS is about. Your advice would have us spend $300,000 and more to find out what you could easily find out in a few hours. Whew. Thank God for the internet.
Comment by Mitsu Too — May 9, 2008 @ 7:39 am
Poor Tommy. He probably has no clue how obvious his lies about Anonymous and death threats/the hacking of the epileptic website are. Guess it’s back to the RPF for him.
Comment by Rachel — May 9, 2008 @ 8:32 am
Tommy Davis is the new Heber Jentzsch! What a nut.
Comment by Tilman — May 9, 2008 @ 9:59 am
just by looking at his body language you can tell something isn’t quite right with what he’s saying.
Comment by RealityMonger — May 9, 2008 @ 10:52 am
What a Jerk.
Right Tommy, we should all get in to COS so we can “find out” for ourselves. Yah, uh-huh. Well, I don’t need to run into a burning house to see if it is on fire or not. I’ll take the words of the scorched and burned folks who have just come running & screaming from the inferno.
He slipped up once though when asked about Xenu & alien parasites. You’re right Tommy…It does sound ridiculous. I’ll give you that. The fact that it’s true does not make it less so.
Jackass.
Comment by Sam — May 9, 2008 @ 12:20 pm
CalorieCounter or should I call you Formerly Fat Actress? Well, should I?
If I should, congrats, you look fab again. Look up “myopic” in the dictionary. Then consider the theatrical temperament: Smart. Creative. Insecure. Arrogant. Narcissistic. Needy. The perfect mark for Elron and his “tech”. They tell you what you want to hear. They show you what you want to see. It’s all celebrity centre and Freewinds (death) cruises. You never see the RPF folk in their greasy rags and they don’t hit you with Xenu until after you’ve been audited (brainwashed) for months, if not years. The unexamined life is not worth living and Scientology cons you into thinking that you’re examining your life, but you’re not. You’re reading science fiction. BTW, you’d make a HELL of a critic! Yer so sassy!
Comment by Artoo45 — May 9, 2008 @ 1:00 pm
Tommy looks like shit despite the fact that his face is caked in make-up for TV. Unless he literally just rolled out of his bed into the interview chair that very minute or he’s been up all night at an S&M gangbang then how could anyone manage to look so hideously puffed up and careworn?
Here’s a couple of screengrab links from BBC Panorama 2007, the dynamic duo Tommy Davis and his mentor, a very subdued and tired-looking ex-OSA boss Mike Rinder.
What a difference a year of enturbulation makes….
pic links:
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/1217/bbcrinder01srm4.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/8573/bbcrinder02sls2.jpg
Comment by Sponge — May 9, 2008 @ 1:24 pm
Merrill - I too did my OT Levels when I was in the Church and “body thetans” IS what OT III is all about. And the subsequent OT levels. And they did not originate on this planet, hence “alien”. And they are parasitic. Hence “alien parasites.” And of course the Galactic overlord Xenu story is the essence of OT III. Come on, it’s all over the internet in Hubbard’s own handwriting. So, come again, Merrill - do you mean to say you never heard of body thetans? Merrill? Merrill? Hello?
Comment by Fishdaddy — May 9, 2008 @ 2:45 pm
Regarding the Tommy Davis interview, Merrill (#7 preceding) says: “I’m very disappointed that Tommy denied this” referring the scientology policy of disconnection.
I have it on good authority (wink) that scientology policy requires all members to discuss concerns with the person involved and/or the organization rather than admitting those concerns to non-scientologists in the outside world. So Merrill…I’m afraid you’re now at risk from the OSA…I highly recommend you keep your head down and be very careful that no-one finds out who you are.
Merrill- we’re all thinkin ’bout ya babe. Hope you’re OK there inside the cult. If you need any help, let us know…we’re legion! (AND some of us are workin from the inside…)
Comment by Terryeo [tm] — May 9, 2008 @ 6:40 pm
Way to avoid the questions Tommy. His flustered desposition did nothing to help their case. If this who they choose as their public face and mouthpiece, all I see is fear and confusion.
Comment by AnonyMAX — May 9, 2008 @ 10:55 pm
Well, I have to say I agree with Calorie Counter.
As far as the disconnection thing, the way it is described on the internet does not match our policies at all.
If your family tries to force you out of your chosen religion, they don’t really have your *happiness* at heart now do they? All efforts are made to resolve the situation, and disconnection is a last resort. One has to be a red-hot pain in the arse, as Calorie Counter said. At that point you have to make a choice, and if your family insists they won’t be happy until you denounce your religion, well then it’s obvious which one of them has to go. You cannot be in Scientology if your family members disapprove. That some people prefer their religion over their family doesn’t speak very highly of their family.
Comment by Theta_2008 — May 10, 2008 @ 1:17 am
Ah, but what about Jason’s situation? He was getting labeled PTS–or at risk of that–because he knew a gay person. How the hell do you handle that short of disconnection?
Also, thanks for confirming Tommy is in fact a huge ass liar willing to do so on national TV to avoid negative PR!
Integrity is an important trait; in many ways it is all we have in civil discourse. What does it say when your spokesman is so willing to throw that out the window? I refuse to believe that Tommy is ill-informed about basic bits in the PTS/SP course, especially after he utterly and epicly failed in this regard when the BBC came around last year. If he was remiss in his study prior to that flap, I guaran-damn-tee he’s had it rammed into his head in the intervening period.
Therefore, the only conclusion I can arrive at is that he was deliberately telling a falsehood.
“The only way you can control someone is to lie to them.” - Lafayette Hubbard
Comment by Anonymous — May 10, 2008 @ 3:11 am
#33 and #18. Does is not ever occur to you that you are the problem and not your family? Is scientology always right in your mind? Anybody that chooses a religion, or a cult, over their friends and family, and does not have the presence of mind, or the heart, to say ‘wait a minute I need to get myself together’ has truly lost their human, social, and moral being. The more scientologists speak the worse this cult appears. No wonder they try to keep a leash on their members.
Comment by observer — May 10, 2008 @ 10:07 am
“As far as the disconnection thing, the way it is described on the internet does not match our policies at all.”
It may not match the written policies of your organization, but the practices of your organization often flagrantly contradict the written policies. For instance, no one is supposed to be declared Suppressive without a Comm Ev, right? And yet it’s not uncommon to know of cases where someone was declared Suppressive on the spot.
“The way it is described on the internet” is, overwhelmingly, the way it is described by the first-hand participants who lived it. If you were dining in a restaurant, and another patron said “Uggh! They just served me a piece of meat so rancid it was green!” would you say “Oh no, that doesn’t match the written policies” and point to a sign on the wall claiming WE USE ONLY THE FINEST QUALITY MEATS? No? Then why are you telling people who experienced Scientology disconnection that ‘it didn’t happen that way because that’s not what the sign on the wall says’?
Comment by AF — May 10, 2008 @ 11:56 am
Liz & AF:
I do not wish to discuss what is and isn’t on OTIII, or any OT level for that matter. I violated my own policy on this matter by my comment regarding “Space alien parasites” and will not make the same mistake again. I can discuss quite freely all other matter of published Scientology material. As per the Creed of the Church of Scientology, “… all men have inalienable rights to think freely, to talk freely, to write freely their own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions of others.” (Counter to comment #31.)
I’ve said elsewhere and I’ll state here that many individuals in the Church have frequently mis-applied Scientology policy and technology. To me, that does not condemn Scientology as a whole, but rather the weaknesses of individuals. For whatever their motivation - zealotry, power hunger, basic misunderstanding, etc. - I do condemn their actions and stand against them. Any Scientologist has the choice to do what is right, as does any human being. No one can tell me, a Scientologist, what I may think or say. That is my choice based on my viewpoint and understanding.
But because I have studied a great deal of L. Ron Hubbard’s writings IN CONTEXT I don’t condemn him or Scientology at all. For example, ANONMOUSE quotes (in #8 above) the Hubbard policy on handling or disconnection and does so without referencing the rest of the document. The word “disconnection” is used only once in the actual document. The rest of the rather lengthy policy refers multiple times to having the person HANDLE the suppressive influence. For example, in that same policy Hubbard states in the context of having found a connection to someone suppressive in a person’s life:
” … you persuade him to begin to handle on a gradient scale. This may consist of imposing some slight discipline on him, such as requiring him to actually answer his mail or write the person a pleasant good roads, good weather note or to realistically look at HOW HE ESTRANGED THEM.” (Emphasis is my own.)
Hubbard goes on in this and other bulletins to describe how to HANDLE the situation. Disconnection from the suppressive source is a LAST RESORT.
In another policy, called “PTSness and Disconnection” Hubbard describes in some detail why disconnection might be an option, even a fundamental right of an individual. This and the prior mentioned document are both published in a book called “Introduction to Scientology Ethics”. If you wish to truly understand disconnection, these documents should be read in full and should be findable in any major public library.
Now, have Scientologists disconnected from others when they should have handled the situation instead? Absolutely. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. That doesn’t make it right, nor is it proper application of Scientology as per Hubbard’s own writings.
Mr. Davis, in my view, lied when he said that disconnection did not exist in the Church. I believe he may have done this because he himself does not properly understand the above references, could not think of how to properly discuss it or perhaps has mis-applied it himself. Here again, this does not condemn Hubbard or Scientology, but certainly paints Mr. Davis in a bad light.
Comment by Merrill — May 10, 2008 @ 9:40 pm
Merrill–you seem very upfront and honest, and I can absolutely respect and appreciate that.
How come the part of the code that you quoted seems to be forgotten when it comes to people holding their own opinions on scientology/the CoS? Instead all anon has seen to counter its arguments are slander/libelous attacks, smear campaigns, and overt intimidation practices. If anon was smaller or more localized, the assault against it would undoubtably be more…intense. As it stands, the response has been tempered by the stretched thin resources of OSA and the ability to post video to the world via the internet. Though tell that to Sean Carasov in LA, who was arrested and jailed (briefly) based on a false police report filed by an agent of the CoS.
Basically, what we’re saying is that we have no problems with Scientology or you practicing it. I personally think its poorly-written crap, but that is my opinion and if it is what gets you through the night more power to you.
The Church as an organization, however, has rampant examples of the tech being ‘misapplied’ or rewritten to suit their needs. If Scientology is in fact as benevolent a philosophy as you intimate, then something has gone horribly, horribly wrong with the way the CoS works it.
I have a question for you; its something of a multi-parter so bear with me:
In 1997, David Miscavige announced the “Golden Era of Tech” and that “widespread errors caused by editors and printers corrupting the tech have been corrected.”
The net result of this revelation is that everyone had to redo their level, or at the least rebuy the book/lecture packages to get the “correct” information.
Now, is David Miscavige saying that Hubbard never read his own books? Never checked the final copy? Never caught the errors in tech application or instruction these “misprints” would have caused? If we’re simply talking a few misspelled words, why require people to rebuy the book sets at $1000s of dollars a pop? Or is he suggesting that Hubbard just didn’t give a shit?
From what I understand, to question the RTC’s policy or judgement is to basically get yourself labeled PTS, SP, or earn yourself lower conditions/RPF if you’re Sea Org.
So, assuming that Hubbard did in fact give a shit about what he wrote, and did actually flip through the books at least once…is it really too far of a stretch to assert that Miscavige–not even OT VIII himself–is rewriting the tech to suit his own needs/goals, and using the threat of getting Declared to silence anyone who sees through this?
If you care about your church, reform it, quickly (before the corrupted practices of the leadership get it raided again by law enforcement as is happening in Europe).
Or leave–you CAN practice scientology outside the CoS. But don’t stay in the orgs while the tech gets misapplied, squirreled, and crimes are committed and do nothing…remember: you ARE free to hold your own opinion and to think for yourself.
Comment by Anonymous — May 11, 2008 @ 4:20 am
Merrill, you “do not wish to discuss what is and isn’t on OTIII, or any OT level for that matter,” because you simply cannot do so without being caught in a bold faced lie again.
Understandable. Just as long as the other readers understand this as well.
But really, if scientology’s communication tech is so great, why do you all have so much trouble discussing what the public wants to know? Why do you all seem to have so much difficulty answering questions about the organization?
Also, the definition of disconnection and what it means to scientology is not the issue in this particular article. Going on and on about that reminds me of policy recommended diversion tactics to distract from the fact that a LIE was told.
The spokesperson for your organization TOLD AN OUTRIGHT LIE ON CNN!!!
Is that ethics?
I am glad that you at least acknowledge this as it lends you a heck of a lot more credibility here.
Here is what Jason Beghe has to say about the interview:
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2008/05/jason_beghe_to.php
Comment by liz — May 14, 2008 @ 6:51 pm
Did I see the same video that a few others have been so critical of? Tommy was articulate and looked quite well to me. Disconnection is not a “policy” it is a very last resort to do when a person in a Scientologist’s life is hostility pursuing stopping their Scientologist family member for example from pursuing their faith. It’s factually an action anyone should take against another who is intent on forcing their own will onto them - not just Scientology don’t you think? The bottom line is that each individual Scientologist has the right to not only make their own decisions but to make others within the religion behave according to the teachings whether they are students or executives. We are all accountable for the actions of our fellow Scientologists and to keep the Church operating within the policies and bulletins that ARE our religion. Go to the bookstore and read a book or to the Scientology website like Tommy said and find out for yourself - decide for yourself.
Comment by Gayle — May 20, 2008 @ 5:43 pm