Will Disclosure In Court Be Scientology’s Undoing In UK Teen’s “Cult” Case?
Since when did it become a crime to call a cult a cult? Apparently about two weeks ago.
On May 10th, at the 4th global protest staged by the internet activist group Anonymous, a London Teenager, who goes by the moniker “ENG” or Epic Nose Guy, was arrested for leaving a sign up that called the Church of Scientology a “CULT.” Here’s a breakdown of events from the Guardian UK:
A teenager is facing prosecution for using the word “cult” to describe the Church of Scientology.
The unnamed 15-year-old was served the summons by City of London police when he took part in a peaceful demonstration opposite the London headquarters of the controversial religion.
Officers confiscated a placard with the word “cult” on it from the youth, who is under 18, and a case file has been sent to the Crown Prosecution Service.
A date has not yet been set for him to appear in court.
The decision to issue the summons has angered human rights activists and support groups for the victims of cults.
The incident happened during a protest against the Church of Scientology on May 10. Demonstrators from the anti-Scientology group, Anonymous, who were outside the church’s £23m headquarters near St Paul’s cathedral, were banned by police from describing Scientology as a cult by police because it was “abusive and insulting”.
Writing on an anti-Scientology website, the teenager facing court said: “I brought a sign to the May 10th protest that said: ‘Scientology is not a religion, it is a dangerous cult.’
“‘Within five minutes of arriving I was told by a member of the police that I was not allowed to use that word, and that the final decision would be made by the inspector.”
A policewoman later read him section five of the Public Order Act and “strongly advised” him to remove the sign. The section prohibits signs which have representations or words which are threatening, abusive or insulting.
The teenager refused to back down, quoting a 1984 high court ruling from Mr Justice Latey, in which he described the Church of Scientology as a “cult” which was “corrupt, sinister and dangerous”.
This young man showed huge brass ones by his decision to not take down the sign when ordered by police. While some may cringe at the comparison, I liken this to those who refused to sit at the back of the bus. Peaceful protests are the earmark of democracy, how else can “the people” raise awareness about authoritative groups trying to control the masses through deception and intimidation? What is left for us as a society to protect our freedoms, if you can’t meet with like-minded individuals to express your outrage against well documented abuses and criminal collusion? More importantly, how can you prosecute one individual for using a “word” which most accurately describes that which you are protesting? Also significant, is the precedent set over the last twenty years of many, many publications using this term to describe the Church of Scientology.
As stated later in the Guardian article, how long until they outlaw “War,” “Tax,” or “Peace” from future protests by the people?
This story is making headlines around the world, and the more I think about it, the more obvious it is becoming that this could be the final undoing of the Church of Scientology. While I am not intimately familiar with UK law, surely the burden of proof will be on the CoS to prove they are NOT a cult in order to prosecute this case. And let’s face it, that’s not a battle they will likely want to fight nor could they win.
There are masses of documents available proving that the organized nature of Scientology is not ONLY a CULT, but also a mass money-making scheme designed to extract large sums of money from its adherents. They practice medicine without a license (see Introspection Rundown - it killed Lisa McPherson), they recruit and detain devout members using billion-year contracts through deception and fraud, they’ve been arrested and convicted for blackmail, theft and extortion, as well as, breaking and entering into high level government offices — and their top executive, David Miscavige has a long and detailed pattern of physically abusing subordinate staff, including verbal and mental abuse.
To break it down simply, if they act like a cult, behave like a cult and are run like a cult, they are in fact: A CULT.
From my perspective this is a case which Anonymous and critics of the CoS alike can and should get behind and support, resources should be made available (something Anonymous is really good at organizing) to help this young man fight this case.
The onus should be on Scientology to prove they aren’t a cult.
Good luck with that.
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Comment by marcab — May 22, 2008 @ 9:41 am
Although I am upset at actions taken by the police, I am happy to see how much coverage this is receiving. Just google Scientology, and check the News results. Nearly every article relates to this story. This will just serve to bring more attention to Anonymous and its fight against the CULT. “ENG”, we are behind you as we are, indeed, legion.
Comment by AnonyMAX — May 22, 2008 @ 9:56 am
The legal avenue used for harassing this young man is actually that the word “cult” could be seen as “threatening, abusive or insulting”.
Frankly, I’d love to see the Police trying to argue against both the dictionary definition, and the many, many previously documented usages of the word “Cult” in relation to the Church of Scientology.
If they feel insulted at being called a “cult” then they should stop acting like a cult. If they reform themselves so the term is no longer accurate then the problem is solved.
Sadly, the Crown Prosecution Service will certainly not push this any further. Perhaps Anonymous will be able to create a civil case against the police’s actions in order to create the required legal precedent - that calling a duck “a duck” is not insulting.
Of course that will have to wait until Epic Nose Guy finishes his school exams…
Comment by David Freehug — May 22, 2008 @ 10:01 am
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“While I am not intimately familiar with UK law, surely the burden of proof will be on the CoS to prove they are NOT a cult in order to prosecute this case.”
If this ends up being prosecuted, it will be the State against ENG, not the COS against ENG. The question is whether the “truth” will be a defense to the charge that the sign was “threatening, abusive or insulting.” I don’t know much about UK law, but I know that they do not have strong constitutional protections in favor of free speech, like we do in the USA. However, if the truth is not a defense to the statute in question, the English have pretty much lost, or never really had, any civil rights. If the truth can be criminalized, England is a police state, with police free to arrest, charge, fine and imprison virtually anyone at their discretion. And absolute power corrupts absolutely… once law enforcement fully understands the power they have, they will use it more and more arbitrarily as time progresses. We know this from the infamous Standord Prison experiments.
I note that when the Islamists marched in the streets calling for the death of Rushdi, a English citizen, for merely expressing his freedom of speach, the London Police department did nothing to stop the insanely offensive and DISHONEST vistriole coming from the Islamic protesters… ENG did not call for the death of anyone, much less an upstanding and peaceful law abiding citizen– he merely called a cult a cult. The message that we can gather from this is that the LPD will give any protesting group vastly greater deference, and vastly greater human rights, if they are predisposed toward wanton violence. Nice message LPD.
Comment by AnonymousNow — May 22, 2008 @ 10:45 am
I would like to know why the London police seem to be working for $cientology rather than the British people. Large contributions of cash perhaps?
Comment by Rachel — May 22, 2008 @ 11:29 am
Whether Scientology is or isn’t a cult will not be an issue in any case brought under Public Order Act, Section 5, where the only applicable defense is “reasonableness,” which would include the defense that the defendant was engaging in a protected activity, such as picketing (a right secured by Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR)). If the court considers the usage of the term “cult” in a Public Order Act case, the discussion would likely focus on whether use of the term “cult” — in the general sense — constitutes harassment under the statute.
I don’t believe the CPS will prosecute, however, as this would be a horrible test case of Section 5, and they’re probably already embarrassed by the bad PR. If they were going to prosecute, they would’ve issued summons already. But what they’re doing is perhaps even worse, as they’re chilling speech across the group by dictating the permissible rhetoric just by threatening to prosecute but likely having no intention to do so.
Comment by tikk — May 22, 2008 @ 11:34 am
The 15 year old boy aside.
With the PR (WIN) this is going to generate, I wouldn’t want to be Tommy Davis right now. Anybody within Slapping distance of DM must be Shaking in there shorts. The longer this goes on the more WIN
Comment by DM Longcat — May 22, 2008 @ 12:04 pm
Rachel, the London Police have been criticised before for taking “gifts” from the cult of scientology. So it would not be surprising.
Good luck to Epic Nose Guy. You kicked some serious butt out there.
I would also like to say
“hahahaha the CoS is afraid of 15 year olds with signs!”
Comment by WolfyRik — May 22, 2008 @ 12:32 pm
From what I’ve seen of the UK police, most of them are a rather shoddy lot.
I mean, they had Amy Winehouse ON VIDEO smoking crack, and they let her go without even a blot on her record. In one night she punched one guy and headbutted another guy, and received nothing but a little warning.
From what I’ve seen of them, most of them are a huge joke. (I hate to tar them all with the same brush, though. I’m sure there are good ones in there, somewhere.)
Comment by k — May 22, 2008 @ 12:47 pm
Justice Latey, ruling in the High Court of London:
“Scientology is both immoral and socially obnoxious…It is corrupt sinister and dangerous. It is corrupt because it is based on lies and deceit and has its real objective money and power for Mr. Hubbard… It is sinister because it indulges in infamous practices both to its adherents who do not toe the line unquestionably and to those who criticize it or oppose it. It is dangerous because it is out to capture people and to indoctrinate and brainwash them so they become the unquestioning captives and tools of the cult, withdrawn from ordinary thought, living, and relationships with others.”
A judge can call them a cult, but not a 15 year old boy. The media is going to eat this up.
Comment by DM Longcat — May 22, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
Epic Nose Guy is backed by legions; he will not be deserted, and he will be proven innocent of this ridiculous accusation. Don’t the queen’s bobbies have terrorists to hunt?
Comment by LaNon — May 22, 2008 @ 12:58 pm
I guess this is an opportunity to stand up in court and say “you’re own Justice called them a cult”
good grief, how rediculous will the police dept. look then?
but, I hope ENG doesn’t have to go to court.
Still, this coverage is EPIC WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean, it’s on BBC, that’s BIG!!
Comment by tuffyt — May 22, 2008 @ 1:12 pm
Can Anyone get Justice Latey involved surely He still has influence. God Bless In The Name Of Jesus The Christ This Young Man. shame on the cult for fair gaming a fifteen year old Young Man.
Comment by judy — May 22, 2008 @ 1:32 pm
I see in the latest quotes coming from CPS, they’re already starting to back-peddle… saying, “oh, we didn’t give the City of London Police *specific* guidance on this.”
Looks to be a bit of a hot potato for them now.
Good.
Comment by David Mudkips — May 22, 2008 @ 1:56 pm
Every single one of you who call Scientology a cult do so from ignorance; it is a legitimate religion (as recognized in a large portion of the world).
I have been a Scientologist for well over 15 years, and I am neither brain washed or victimized. Members of Anonymous have made hundreds of death threats to different locations of the Church of Scientology, and the police have to draw the line someplace.
The word cult, according to one dictionary means “a religious group whose ideas are considered strange by many people” Now this does not sound so bad, really, but the way the public has been using the word it means something much more sinister. The actions of the medical/psychiatric/pharmaceutical community have a terrible track record, but very little is protested about them. Why Scientology? They are doing some good around the world and some people just don’t like to see that. Other churches have had many bad things said about them, and criminal convictions of their employees exist (where are all of the criminal convictions of Scientologists?), but there are no protests outside of their locations to be seen. The opinion of one Mr Justice Latey does not brand a religion forever (24 years ago); especially since his opinion was not based on facts (look it up!).
I recommend that all of you people who want to call anyone names should first understand those you criticize. “What is Scientology” is available on line to get their side of it, and many books are available at the library. Neither will cost you a penny, but you can make up your own minds, rather than judging them from the actions of people who are motivated by who knows what.
Comment by Steve6f8eh — May 22, 2008 @ 2:05 pm
dear steve6f8eh
we’ve made up our minds already - it’s a cult
you’re a cultie
sorry
Comment by tuffyt — May 22, 2008 @ 2:23 pm
Did anyone else skip over the rubbish above? As soon as the guy said I’m a scientologist… I don’t even need to read it to know that it has nothing to do with free speech in England.
Back to the actual story… Maybe the UK anons should hand out copies of the time magazine cover where they’re called a “CULT” of Greed. Or have T-shirts made up in full color.
Comment by Yawn — May 22, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
Hello Mr. Steve6f8eh,
Who’s a silly rabbit, eh? CR does not have times to read poorly written LRH nonsense, why you try to make me? Can I make you read what I want you to know? If you will make me a deal like that, we can talk.
Don’t hurt people, don’t lie all the time. Don’t punch people in the face. Don’t make children work 15 hour days. Don’t be mean (you all make that ugly mean face all the time). Pay people proper wage. Don’t follow people with PI.
No more cult! Everyone happy!
Good Luck!
CR
(don’t forget about the reading project)
Comment by crusaderRabbit — May 22, 2008 @ 2:41 pm
Steve6f8eh = terryeo?
Where has terryeo been…please tell me not the RPF.
And yes, $cientology is a cult. DM is a dwarf who didn’t graduate high school and punches people. L Ron was a flaming mad idiot. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE BACON!
Also $cientology makes their OWN threats on themselves. Google Paulette Marcia Cooper.
We have the facts.
We are Anonymous.
We are legion.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
Expect us.
…..and have a terrific day!
Comment by gary — May 22, 2008 @ 2:47 pm
Amen!
Comment by tuffyt — May 22, 2008 @ 2:59 pm
Dear Steve,
Please look up the abuses your Church continues to practice, and please instruct yourself in the ways your Church handles its critics and former members. Most of us have read what LRH had to say and we have found it to be unintelligible rubbish. His claims do not have proof and his life is a cleverly (or not so) spun lie.
Simply put, we have no time to put up with your trolling just because you have a net nanny.
Good day.
Comment by 9 — May 22, 2008 @ 3:02 pm
Ya know, in this grand puppet-show, someone must have known that they didn’t have a case, and still went ahead with it. And I have to wonder if they didn’t choose the perfect candidate: an intelligent minor. This boy is perfect. NO ONE will come away from reading this story and not be thinking: ‘A teenager PEACEFULLY protesting human rights violations? And they have an issue with ONE word? CULT?!?!? WTF?’ Of all the protests and demonstrations that go on in the world, this kid is the one that is going to get his 15 minutes of fame. I hope that he represents Anon well. : ) I also hope that everyone who reads his story goes to see youfoundthecard.com, xenu.net, and the various YouTube vids that really show how sinister this CULT is. Sometimes what at first seems like a horrible thing isn’t quite so bad after a second glance…
Comment by domino — May 22, 2008 @ 3:05 pm
“Every single one of you who call Scientology a cult do so from ignorance; it is a legitimate religion (as recognized in a large portion of the world).”
If COS is religion, why does it require that crimes be perpetrated to perpetuate it? I note, once again, the Scilons avoid all debate regarding the well documented and uniform accounts from ex scientologists that reveal the depths of this brainwashing and criminal organization.
Further, actually, a large portion of the world does not recognize it as a religion, and many countries have gone as far as expressly rejecting that status. And every day, as the campaign of truth continues, world governments are retreating from any notion that the COS is a religion.
You take a strange position in light of what is happing in Germany, and Belgium, today. Indeed, the Belgium org was JUST SHUT DOWN by the police and has not reopened. Soon the police will be knocking on the doors of the USA orgs, and you will get to see DM flee the country with the loot he took from you.
You can bribe and strong arm governments some of the time, but you can’t fool all the people all the time.
Comment by AnonymousNow — May 22, 2008 @ 3:12 pm
Sarcasm and hate; I expected no less……calling a man a dwarf like there is something wrong with that…..what names do you have for everyone else who looks different than you Gary?
I find it interesting that people go after the C of S, but not the other institutions I mentioned; especially Big Pharma. Tens of thousands die each year in Britain (look it up, its true) because of the poisons they sell, yet so much effort is wasted going after the C of S…..its almost like its being promoted by people who have an interest in discrediting their biggest critic, isn’t it? No, that would never happen, and the government would never lie to us, or support wars that are unjust. They would never stage events to get everyone angry either, would they? I guess you have all of the answers already….
By the way, I am not terryeo, whoever that is, although if he disagrees with you, he probably makes good sense.
Comment by Steve6f8eh — May 22, 2008 @ 3:14 pm
i just call ‘em like i see ‘em….and DM is a dwarf with limited education. You can tell him i said that. also he wears a fake military uniform…i’m guessing special ordered in extra small.
if you are a scientologist who needs help leaving, please call 1-866-XSEAORG.
this is a FREE service.
We DO care about you.
Comment by gary — May 22, 2008 @ 3:26 pm
1. Free speech in Britain is under threat of the PC relgious crowd. Y’all better handle that shit now or your Magna Carta is going down the loo. Cousins, we’d love to help but we’re still trying to get rid of Bush and our own quasi-facist administration.
2. steve6f8eh, have you ever been fair gamed by your beneficent “religion”? Well, have you? No? Well, I have been. At 18 years of age I was fair gamed out of the blue by my own boyfriend who’s Scientologist father discovered he was gay. He tried to blackmail me by threatening to out me to my parents to make some kind of amends to his father. Once my parents told him to fuck-the-hell-off, he tried to blackmail them, telling them it would be terrible if it got out to the paper how “sick” I was. They laughed and hung up on him. What was he thinking considering my parents liked him and totally knew we were in a sexual relationship? Years later, he apologized profusely to me, explaining how his father and the local org had pressured him to “handle” me, the evil PTS. We are friends these 30 years later and tragically, he hasn’t heard from his parents or sister in 20 of them, having been disconnected. So dear steve6f8eh, fuck you and the “church” that rode in on your back.
Comment by Artoo45 — May 22, 2008 @ 3:35 pm
I’d like to take a stab at this. Figuratively, of course. Don’t get scared and lock me in an org like you did the poor Dutch Anonette recently. Consequently, story coming on this incident, Dawn?
Anywho, Steve6f8eh, you said:
Every single one of you who call Scientology a cult do so from ignorance; it is a legitimate religion (as recognized in a large portion of the world).
Funny thing is, after a little research one can find that:
The UK government does not classify the Church of Scientology as a religious institution. The Church’s application for charity status in England and Wales was rejected in 1999, and the Church has not exercised its right of appeal. - Wikipedia
And, since you all are big on trashing Wikipedia as a reputable source:
The Government has not classified the Church of Scientology as a religious institution and therefore has not granted the organization recognition for charitable status. - U.S Dept of State’s International Religious Freedom Report 2007
So, no, it is not “a legitimate religion” in the UK.
Would you like a list of the places it has been denied/rejected religious status? I’d be happy to provide it for you.
Happy Staturday!
Comment by Anon, Anon, My Boyfriend's Back! — May 22, 2008 @ 3:50 pm
Mr. Steve6f8eh
CR wants to know why you worry DM is called a dwarf but don’t care he punches people in the face? Punches in the face hurt much more than sarcasm. I recommend to avoid people who have bad habit of punching people in the face. Insult is not to DM, insult is to nice dwarfs. Please do not insult dwarfs by association with evil man DM.
Cult abuses members, cult holds people against their will, cult lies all day every day. You are proud of this? Does truth = hate?
Your DM is sort of a dope, if you ask me, besides being a very tiny, very smallish person. What has he ever actually done in his whole life? Nobody knows. All they know is he is mean, very, very mean. How can such a mean man be in charge of “church”? Are you scared of him? What would he do to you if you disagreed with him? But you can’t can you? Your brain does not belong to you, so sad. Try to get it back, if you can. It’s nice being in charge of your own brain.
See you in Texas!
Comment by crusaderRabbit — May 22, 2008 @ 4:09 pm
I forgot about Staturday!!!
in conclusion:
David Miscavige is an asthmatic dwarf who couldn’t begin to grasp quantum physics, even while running a cult based on UFO’s and aliens. Hail Xenu!
He wears a fake navy uniform even though your only boat is dry docked due to dangerous asbestos.
He throws temper tantrums and punches people around him. Or puts them in RPF for re-programming.
His hairdo has the ability to travel through time…emerging unharmed from 1980.
Dwarf tossing has been banned in many countries.
He secretly loves Tom Cruise…I can see it in his eyes.
He is a liar and a loser.
After the cult crumbles…he will be an unimportant blurb in history.
Comment by gary — May 22, 2008 @ 4:16 pm
That’s twice I have heard this ‘punch in the face’ thing. You saw him do this? I’ll bet you have punched many faces! Dust up down at the pub on a friday night? I was trying to deal with you on a civil basis, but you would rather deal in hate and innuendo. Your version of truth is laughable! Why has nobody addressed my comments about other organizations and your own government? Too big to talk about? Not so brave now? Perhaps you support their actions…..or perhaps you believe what you see on the TV and read in the newspapers. Look up the word Lemming….you will find your picture right there besides the explanation.
Comment by Steve6f8eh — May 22, 2008 @ 4:21 pm
Dawn i miss your nighttime radio show am i missing something??? or are u just busy????
Comment by ohbuddy — May 22, 2008 @ 4:41 pm
Steve,
We know you are just doing your job and much of this information you are reading about David Miscavige is very enturbulating and hard to imagine. Likely, as a rank and file member sent to the web to post positive info about the CoS, you haven’t been exposed to David Miscavige.
Generally, only pseudo-important people like Tom Cruise or other celebrities get to spend time with DM, or people in the Sea Org, who he mostly surrounds himself with. It is those people, many of whom I have spoken with who gave me first hand accounts of being choked, punched, slapped and beaten by David Miscavige.
I am sorry if this upsets you to hear, it’s upsetting for us to hear too. David Miscavige is supposed to be a leader of a religious group, so all this violent abuse is really disturbing to find out about.
But know this, we care about you and want you to know that when you are ready to leave the cult, there will be people here to help you and your family and friends you’ve had to leave behind. Together we can end the disconnection policy and stop David Miscavige from beating more staff members.
Surely you know this is very out-ethics behavior right?
Comment by D — May 22, 2008 @ 4:46 pm
You know what? I’m sick and tired of every one of you trolls who bring up the ‘Big Pharma’ deal. Medicines affect a person differently, so do surgeries, experiences and situations. Yes, medicines can be dangerous and addictive, but they can help if put through good use.
Most Scientologists think they can play psychologist with a person, but because they know absolutely nothing of the consequences, they can drive a person to suicide; or do you not know about the Norwegian girl who offed herself because the CoS told her she was useless?
Comment by 9 — May 22, 2008 @ 4:48 pm
*to good use, rather.
Comment by 9 — May 22, 2008 @ 4:49 pm
Steve6f8eh, why do you choose to focus on the comments you claim “deal in hate and innuendo” and address my comment civilly?
To address your comments, there are many injustices in the world, including our own government at times. Anonymous didn’t seek out Scientology as a target, rather it fell upon Anonymous serendipitously. We rose to the challenge and answered the call. There are others more predisposed with fighting the other injustices in the world which is not to say Anonymous doesn’t empathize with thier goals, it’s just that Anonymous has a it’s target and intends to stay on it.
And, as to your Lemmings comment, you seem to be mirroring the sentiment of hate and innuendo you, not sentences before, condemned. The comment could easily be redirected back at you and the CoS, Steve6f8eh, so be careful in how you choose to represent yourself.
I’ll have that list of places where Scientology is rejected as a religion whenever you’re ready. Happy Staturday.
Comment by Anon, Anon, My Boyfriend's Back! — May 22, 2008 @ 5:02 pm
Don’t listen to the Scientologist trolls rambling about big pharma.. its just the Co$’s way to try and confuse a good discussion.
This case is blowing up in their face.
Just for the record, they never intended on prosecuting this case. The whole point of the citation from the Co$ point of view is now they know the kids complete identity. Look for “FAIRGAME” to commence. Expect flyers around the kids neighborhood labeling him a rapist or a criminal.
The Co$ is the most EVIL organization on the planet founded by the devil himself.
Comment by ANON — May 22, 2008 @ 5:08 pm
Steve,
When you reach OTIII they are going to tell you about an alien named Xenu who brought lots of aliens to Earth and destroyed them with 1950’s style hydrogen bombs, and that their spirits are in YOUR body. It’s going to cost you a lot of money….but it’s a great read.
Comment by Timmehhh — May 22, 2008 @ 5:13 pm
Quote by L Ron Hubbard JR in Penthouse, June 1983
Hubbard: it’s very simple. Scientology has always had a “fair-game doctrineâ€â€“a policy of doing absolutely anything to stop an investigation or publication of a critical article in a magazine or newspaper. They have run some incredible operations on the several people who have tried to write books about Scientology. It was almost like a terror campaign. First they’d try throwing every possible lawsuit at the reporter or newspaper. We had a team of attorneys to do just that. The goal was to destroy the enemy. So the solution was always to attack, full-bore, with every possible resource, from every angle, instantaneously it can certainly be overwhelming. A guy would get slapped with twenty-seven lawsuits, and our lawyers would start depositioning absolutely anybody who ever knew the man, digging up dirt while at the same time putting together an operation that would get him into further trouble. I know of one case, concerning Paulette Cooper, who wrote a book called The Scandal of Scientology, in which they spent almost $500.000 trying to destroy her.
****Read the whole article here: http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien240.html
Comment by ANON — May 22, 2008 @ 5:14 pm
Actually Steve, there are several ex-scientologists, ex-sea org that have filed affadavits swearing that DM is a punch-happy autocratic megalomaniac. And those are his good points!
Steve, answer me this: Do you think L.Ron ever read his works after they were published?
This question isn’t flippant, I promise.
Comment by Anonymous — May 22, 2008 @ 5:14 pm
Steve6f8eh, so if it is your position that the logic expressed herein is “hate” and hate is a bad thing, what about the systematic destruction of human lives for profit practiced by your cult?
The reason why you only pretend to care is because your humanity has been stripped from you, bit by little bit. That’s what systematic brainwashing is intended to do, strip your humanity, and replace it with suggestions and commands you must obey. We don’t hate you. Indeed this is all FOR YOU. ALL FOR YOU.
Comment by AnonymousNow — May 22, 2008 @ 5:32 pm
Sorry for so many posts, but…
Also to address your You saw him do this? logic, did you see him NOT do it? Do you watch him 24/7/364? Also, did you see Anonymous make death/bomb/white powder threats? Did you see dinosaurs roam the earth or the big bang theory or bigfoot?
See, the problem is, any accusation needs to be backed up by proof. When physical evidence is absent, firsthand testimony serves as the evidence. Whether you have physical evidence or witness testimony, you still can’t judge because you weren’t there. That’s why investigational bodies are in place. Would you submit the Church of Scientology to an independent investigation? I’d submit Anonymous.
Awaiting your answer…
Comment by Anon, Anon, My Boyfriend's Back! — May 22, 2008 @ 5:35 pm
mr. Steve6f8eh
So I think you agree punching people in the face is not nice?
You would not defend someone who makes a habit of doing this to people? Would you? Because you don’t like hate and innuendo you said? Habitually punching people in the face could be a sign of a very bad hateful type of person.
If you agree well, you might have a hard time listening to this…and the mighty OZ will not like it and you will be in really big trouble if you even think about listening to this. So, good, that’s settled. Don’t listen to this:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stations/bc/glosslip/2008/04/25/Glosslip-From-Our-Lips-To-Your-Ears
CR has also noticed that you seem very dedicated and passionate to your cause. Can we guess that you work for the church? How is that working out? Are the wages O.K? Nice place to live? Can come and go anytime you want, like other church workers? We hope so, we really hope so.
Good Luck!
Comment by crusaderRabbit — May 22, 2008 @ 5:46 pm
YOU must be 42″ tall to ride this ride.
Comment by Timmehhh — May 22, 2008 @ 5:56 pm
Just curious….when did the “hardcore hacking group” Anonymous become the “Internet Activist Group” Anonymous?…do you know the history of Anonymous? Do you read the chans at all?!?!? Do you read Enturbulation.org where they talk about and incite DDOS’s and all other forms of illegal hacking ad nauseum?…and BTW, has anyone in your “Internet Activist Group” noticed the irony in someone from Anonymous discounting the actions of one of their errant (Old school hacker) members with “they are not indicative of our intention next question, “while not applying the same logic and rule to the Scientology organization whom you/Anonymous demands somehow, unlike you/Anonymous, be perfect and accountable for ALL of it’s errant members?
Believe me or not, as someone who knows a few things, not everything Anonymous swears is correct, actually is. Imagine that. Does Anonymous care about IT’S misinformation? It doesn’t seem so.
(You can now insert your issue deflective, “Ok Scilon Troll, move along” retort here in the absence of a rational reply.)
Comment by Ian — May 22, 2008 @ 5:57 pm
^^^^^weak….we have facts…u have fiction.
poo.
Comment by Timmehhh — May 22, 2008 @ 5:59 pm
Wow, Timmehhh, you told me. I certainly didn’t see THAT weighty intellectual retort coming. Damn!
Here’s right back at ya:
“Whoa, dude…it’s like…uh….you know….you suck.”
Brilliant!
Comment by Ian — May 22, 2008 @ 6:03 pm
Enturbulation is a stupid word made up by L Ron Hubbard..
Why would any of us care to read anything at that site?
Comment by ANON — May 22, 2008 @ 6:10 pm
Steve6f8eh equals Ian, or Ian is raw meat?
Comment by Timmehhh — May 22, 2008 @ 6:11 pm
….and I’m not the one unintelligent enough to be doing damage control on a website, for the cult.
Comment by Timmehhh — May 22, 2008 @ 6:14 pm
I have never been a hacker & I have never been apart of any anonymous group..
BUT, I don’t agree with the Cult of Scientology and the way they attack their critics. The “Anonymous” approach, is the best way to deal with your cult. Just so you know, 90% of the people that now call themselves “Anonymous”‘ just started doing so in January when knowledge of your crimes hit the mass media.
Get out while you can. Please come to present time.
Comment by ANON — May 22, 2008 @ 6:16 pm
David Miscavige will still go on the run from law enforcement…just like L Ron had to.
Comment by Timmehhh — May 22, 2008 @ 6:17 pm
The troll steve said: “Believe me or not, as someone who knows a few things, not everything Anonymous swears is correct, actually is. Imagine that. Does Anonymous care about IT’S misinformation? It doesn’t seem so.”
LMAO.. how about an example. All you ever do is speak in generals or try to confuse the conversation with “big pharma” nonsense.
Comment by ANON — May 22, 2008 @ 6:20 pm
Okay Ian, since ol’ steve6f8eh won’t answer my low-on-the-tonescale previous post about being fair gamed, how about you? Ever been fair gamed? Will you tell me my experience was not standard “tech”? That my friend Jim’s family continuing to “disconnect” from him after 20 years is a fluke? The body thetans are out of the bag here, the orchestra is tuning up and the Statcrasher’s Ball is only just beginning. And yes, I’ve read much of Hubbard’s unintentionally hilarious work so don’t tell me I don’t understand Scientology. I understand P.T. Barnum = I understand Hubbard.
Comment by Artoo45 — May 22, 2008 @ 6:22 pm
Big Pharma is paying Anonymous very well. You cannot defend against this siege. DM is a cocky midget.
Comment by Timmehhh — May 22, 2008 @ 6:35 pm
I hope everyone who shows up for future actions in London carries a CULT sign.
Comment by Joanie — May 22, 2008 @ 6:39 pm
Why is dave so angry? is something repressed emotionally? just wondering…
Comment by tiara — May 22, 2008 @ 7:05 pm
I’d like for Ian to link to one illegal act endorsed on enturbulation.org. Name one.
As far as Anonymous in general goes, it has a long history of taking people who need it down a few dozen pegs. Especially if they take themselves way too seriously.
And as for the logic used…anonymous is an amorphous, loose collective of individuals. The CoS is a highly restrictive, very hierarchical group mired in bureaucracy. It is very possible to have someone claim to be a member of anonymous and do something not endorsed by the majority. It is far less likely that one could pull off the same for Organized Scientology and be as convincing.
The bit of data that really hurts the CoS’s credibility is that they have all their policies nicely documented and detailed. So fair game, dead agenting, attack-never-defend, RPF, Disconnection, Money-centric-focus, etc etc–all backed up on CoS letterhead.
But Ian, I’ll pose the same question to you: Do you believe that Hubbard read his work after he was done writing it?
Comment by Anonymous — May 22, 2008 @ 7:08 pm
Scientology is not a cult. It’s much worse than just a cult.
It is a criminal organization, a scam, a threat to national security, a threat to families, a threat to Scientologists, a threat to society. It is “corrupt, sinister and dangerous” according to Justice Latey.
Comment by Barry — May 22, 2008 @ 7:38 pm
DM ONLY eats at restaurants with booster seats.
Comment by salmon — May 22, 2008 @ 7:53 pm
Li’l Davy and Tiny Navyâ„¢. “Does your mommy know you’re a commodore”? See him in his miniscule glory here . . .
http://allmestup.blogspot.com/2007_07_01_archive.html
Comment by Artoo45 — May 22, 2008 @ 8:28 pm
Davey why do you punch people?
Comment by brass monkey — May 22, 2008 @ 8:41 pm
Ian took over from Steve, cause Steve was in over his head. Steam was escaping from his parts and he was starting to malfunction.
Really…. he figured it out that we all get paid by Merck and Eli Lilly and he got an extra plate of beans for his reward. And an extra 10 minutes for supper, whoo, hoo! Super powers at work.
Hey Steve, non controversial question, what is your favorite restaurant?
Oh, and hey Anonymous…crusader wants his big pharma money, where do I pick up the check. The rabbit has expenses, dude!
Comment by crusaderRabbit — May 22, 2008 @ 9:09 pm
Hey Steve6f8eh, can you please link a source, any source, that proves your outlandish claims that Anonymous has made a single death threat? Surely you wouldn’t make such a claim without proof.
In reality Anonymous has done nothing of the sort. They stage peaceful protests and, gasp! exercise their 1st amendment rights to free speech. I know the cult isn’t overly fond of granting the same rights you demand to anyone critical of your so-called “religion”.
Fact is, $cientology is shrinking a bit more each day. Oh I know you’re required to spout the same “we’re expanding like never before” but we all know the truth now don’t we? I wonder what p.r. disaster will befall you tomorrow, as they’re coming on an almost daily basis now. But let me guess your response to this: All the ex-$cientologists are lying, there is no abuse of children, no coerced abortions, no beatings by the head midget, all those undercover videos are false, stats are up, blah blah blah blah blah. You just keep living in your imaginary world and let us know how that’s working out for you a year from now.
All Hail Xenu, the eeeeevil intergalactic warlord from the planet Teegeeack!
Comment by Rachel — May 22, 2008 @ 9:37 pm
Where is Ian/Steve?
Comment by Teddy — May 22, 2008 @ 9:46 pm
DM is a dwarf that punches innocent people I gather.
Comment by Teddy — May 22, 2008 @ 9:56 pm
DM is, of course, squirrelling the tech. And he picks on kids, which is pretty deplorable. Perhaps his body thetans are pedos?
Comment by twentythree — May 22, 2008 @ 10:21 pm
Steve6f8eh uses the phrase “Big Pharma”. TGhis term is used exclusively by the cult of scientology drones. Considering the rest of his commentary I feel it my duty to list him on the encyclopedia dramatica Terryeo page as a clone.
Comment by Centurian 10 — May 22, 2008 @ 10:26 pm
Steve6f8eh is correct! Scientology is a religion recognized by the entire world. The world is composed of the United states and (sadly) Australia. Every where else is part of the Internet. Germany especially is very deep in Internet country.
Scientology is not a cult, but a system that transfers financial wealth from a large group of individuals to a few individuals. The $$$ transfer is induced by promises of superpowers. aka pyramid scheme.
Anonymous is not a group of concern members of the Internet, but a group of paid masked individuals trained by former Nazis, financially backed by the pharma industry and possibly controls a fleet of Starships orbiting the darkside of the moon. The BBC is Anonymous media platform.
Scientology is the only means for humanity survival. Only by the superpowers granted by OT8, can humans fightback the alien invaders. Tom Cruise can fly! It is true. (Sadly Will Smith may be Tom’s wingman.)
Yes the Nazis never believed in eugenics… nope they never though of breeding the Master race. Instead it was psychology! Yup the Master Mind.
- - - -
steve6f8eh, put a sock in it. Some of us actually were around to see the start of this anti Scientology movement. And the fact is, we have read about Scientology, the only way to find out about this strange and quite vicious organisation. And guess what, the more we read, the stranger the organisation of scientology becomes. The more it looks like a fictional James Bond evil organisation, with an evil finger in every pie. It is so unreal and diverse. It is this diversity of misdeeds that keeps Anonymous together, roping people from vastly different backgrounds. If scientology is not careful, the next group to get rope in would be the anti-racist/equal rights people.
L ron had a lot to say about the place and mental capacity of colored people. For a start a racial slur against Indians ‘wog’ is term Scientologist use when referring to non scientologist. Nice isn’t it.
Comment by JCK — May 22, 2008 @ 11:00 pm
JCK, ok, that was pretty funny, until you got to the real part about the CoS, which sadly, was NOT funny.
CoS, it’s worse than you think.
I want to lead the Marcabian Fleet if there are any openings.
Comment by D — May 22, 2008 @ 11:03 pm
Hi Steve
Unfortunately your PR dribble, is well know bunk to everybody here except you. Most of the people here including myself know far more about Cashology than you ever will as long as you keep your mind closed to the fact’s. I hope you learn the truth about the criminal organization you defend.
Any chance you can offer just one piece of evidence to counter anything that has been said here?????????
Why are there so many CO$ unexplained death’s???
Why do so many CO$ children commit suicide???
Why do you “Always Attack never Defend”???
Why did Tommy Davis lie his ass of on CNN to the American public???
Why doesn’t the CO$ believe in free speech???
Why are they shrinking and closing org’s???
Where did all money go???
Comment by DM Longcat — May 22, 2008 @ 11:22 pm
I don’t know what it is about you Steve6f8eh and Ian but you make me want to mention to everyone that David Miscavige is squirreling the tech.
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/alteringtech.htm
http://xenutv.wordpress.com/2007/08/01/altering-the-tech/
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/mirror/xenu.ca/ex/dianetics-quotes.html
You also make me want to show people this video about 2 former OTVII’s who were declared for binging said squirreling up. Thats right declared for following KSW.
Comment by Marcab Loyal Officer — May 22, 2008 @ 11:29 pm
Sorry Steve forgot to add:
Why did the CO$ expose so many of your own members to Blue Asbestos, a know human carcinogen, on the MV Freewinds, and not tell them, they need to seek “immediate medical attention”. They actually lied again and said there was no such thing. Why would they want to murder their own members???
What the hell kind of corrupt criminal organization is this???
Steve!! Please, Please, just look at the info we have given you, you need to save yourself. Good luck.
http://www.exscientologykids.com/
Comment by DM Longcat — May 22, 2008 @ 11:31 pm
Well, as a lawyer, I will state that in my legal opinion this will get dismissed. Although it is in the UK, and their a bit wacky
Yay Monty Pyhton! 
Comment by M — May 22, 2008 @ 11:41 pm
Getting back to commenting on the article a little bit.
“While I am not intimately familiar with UK law, surely the burden of proof will be on the CoS to prove they are NOT a cult in order to prosecute this case.” I have to respectfully disagree a bit here.. While I am no expert in UK law, this court summons should have nothing to do with $ci. It should be simply between the police (CPS) and ENG. If scientology is involved in the court case, it will be very obvious that $ci had some influence over this to begin with. ENG needs to prove in court that scientology IS a cult, not the reverse. This should be very easy to do with the definition of the word. If it looks like a cat, moves like a cat, and lols like a cat then it is…. ENG will win this fight, and this may be one story that the media can really latch on to. Scientology may have a major footbullet that they didnt know they pulled the trigger for.
Comment by MoonRhino — May 23, 2008 @ 1:30 am
The england lords and other deputies seems so coward toward terrorism now that they would like to treat all the totalitarian and criminal cults the same way. There is as much difference between the extremists and the moderates in Islam that there is between the scientology cult and psychology - since scientology pretends that it could replace psychology, psychiatry and medicine + all philosophies and religions.
Scientology should again be banned in England rather than helped by a police that the cult pays through some unknown ways.
I recommend to SUE the police squadron for abuse.
Comment by roger gonnet — May 23, 2008 @ 2:43 am
I was just wondering, what was the exact $$$ figure to by London cop’s? They must be more expensive than buying the Clearwater police? u know, inflation and such.
Comment by DM Longcat — May 23, 2008 @ 3:08 am
They can’t do a thing to Scientology. Where we are recognized as a religion, we enjoy the rights as every other religion.
Down with SP’s.
Comment by davee — May 23, 2008 @ 3:31 am
Except for your secret exclusive tax exempt status, you got by filing over 2,500 frivolous law suites against the government and IRS. You have been stealing our tax dollars for to long. As u know, it is all coming to an end!!!
Join us for the 5th Worldwide protest. 06-14-08
to help bring an end to the abuse of children in your “Sea Organization”
Expect US
http://seaarrrgh.com
Comment by DM Longcat — May 23, 2008 @ 4:35 am
“They can’t do a thing to Scientology. Where we are recognized as a religion, we enjoy the rights as every other religion.
Down with SP’s.”
You’re right! It does have the rights of every other religion, like the right to sic PIs on minors, to attack its critics and try to have them arrested for fake crimes, to subject their members to cancer causing materials and forced labor camps, to advocate abortion, to tar apart families, to cover up deaths…..
oh wait.
Comment by Hubbard-Telescope — May 23, 2008 @ 5:09 am
I wouldn’t get too attached to that “religion” status. You’re going to lose it. You’re nothing more than a big fat global scam, and every day more people learn the truth about your criminal organization (I’d say Mafia like but that’s an insult to the Mafia-at least they don’t try to cloak their evil in religion).
Tax-exempt status going bye-bye.
Comment by Rachel — May 23, 2008 @ 8:34 am
[...] Anonymous boy, who goes by the moniker “ENG” or Epic Nose Guy, had displayed a sign which stated “Scientology is not a religion, it is a dangerous [...]
Pingback by GlossLip » UK’s CPS Will NOT Press Charges Against Teen Boy Who Called Scientology A Cult — May 23, 2008 @ 9:24 am
@Ian:
“Do you read Enturbulation.org where they talk about and incite DDOS’s and all other forms of illegal hacking ad nauseum?…”
Yes, I read enturbulation, which is why I know that you are lying. The Mod’s over there would ban you in a split second for even mentioning “illegal hacking ad nauseum.” In fact, if anyone doubts the truth, they should merely step over there at enturbulation.org, do a qick search for “hacking” or “DOS,” and see for themselves the scope of OSA’s lying here. In fact, anonymous is looking for even more freedom fighters to join the ranks, i recommend anyone interested register.
These OSA agents are so stoopid, easily verifiable lie after lie. Footbullet after footbullet.
It’s the brainwashing, it is designed to suck all the creativity out of you, so you can’t think properly.
Google “cult of greed and power” and enlighten yourself OSA. Actually read something critical for a change, rather than merely acting as evil agents of lies.
Comment by AnonymousNow — May 23, 2008 @ 10:05 am
“They can’t do a thing to Scientology. Where we are recognized as a religion, we enjoy the rights as every other religion.
Down with SP’s.”
You are only recogized as a religion for the time being by the IRS… because the COS sued them 2,500 times, and the IRS was corrupted.
Also, you guys are so downstat because of anonoymous and the ex members, your statement is akin to hitler calling up imaginary panzer divisions while in his death bunker.
Comment by AnonymousNow — May 23, 2008 @ 10:10 am
Is Terryeo off the case? These other Sci Tie posters sound so young and elementary. I feel kind of sorry for them. I don’t want us to have to retrain anyone. Where’s the old school Sci’s that you didn’t have to explain every little thing to. I mean, an honest debate with Scientologists is awesome, we learn more. But with these new posters, I feel like we’re playing tennis with an infant, ya know? They just can’t hit the ball back. And we all know public Sci’s would get sent to ethics for coming to sites like this so I can only think the obvious. Scientology has no game left. They’re sending children to fight their wars now because all the soldiers are gone. And they won’t think twice about fair gaming that 15 year old boy in the UK.
Their stats could be a lot worse than we know. I notice the posters fall off after someone mentions Xenu and then pops back up later and under different names. I have a message for them if they’re still here : I bet your Mom misses you, can you give her a call, she’ll be really happy to hear from you.
Comment by Anonymous — May 23, 2008 @ 10:18 am
Like all great criminal organizations, you can only loose so many experienced personnel before you can no longer control the underlings. The truth starts to leak out, They are starting to see what you have done, and what they are becoming.
Your crimes against humanity are all over the net, you have only one last chance to escape before you and DM all go to jail. Sorry DM will be on his private jet. You will be in jail, where you will become intimately knowledable in abuse.
Just look around, where did everybody go???
>>> http://www.exscientologykids.com Talk to Jenna Miscavige
Comment by DM Longcat — May 23, 2008 @ 10:41 am
I guess no one read my post above stating that:
SCIENTOLOGY IS NOT RECOGNIZED AS A RELIGION IN THE UK
Links this time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_as_a_state-recognized_religion
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2007/90206.htm
In fact, there aren’t that many places that Scientology is a state recognized religion. In fact, claiming that they were a religion is what got them in trouble in Greece in the first place. Which, of course, led to CoS raids, which, of course, led to finding government docs, which, of course is perfect ammunition against the popular “Operation Snow White was a few bad apples 30 years ago” defence…you know considering it was a little over 10 years ago…what were you guys doing with that top secret classified Greek government map of the Hellikon military airport, anyway?
For more about that, go here:
http://www.raids.org/gen00586.htm
Comment by Anon, Anon, My Boyfriend's Back! — May 23, 2008 @ 10:44 am
Arg, my comment is caught in the filter because it had 3 links in it…Dawn, K? Pweeeeeeeeease, HALP!
Comment by Anon, Anon, My Boyfriend's Back! — May 23, 2008 @ 10:46 am
Here’s the OTVII interview from Xenu tv since it did not seem to make it in.
Comment by Marcab Loyal Officer — May 23, 2008 @ 10:49 am
Forget it just go to xenutv and click on interviews
Greg and Debra Barnes
Comment by Marcab Loyal Officer — May 23, 2008 @ 10:51 am
I fixeded it.
Comment by k — May 23, 2008 @ 10:56 am
Thanks, K! You’re a doll!
Comment by Anon, Anon, My Boyfriend's Back! — May 23, 2008 @ 11:01 am
Please go read this article to?
http://glosslip.com/2008/05/23/cancer-and-scientology-the-silent-killer/#comment-45611
Comment by DM Longcat — May 23, 2008 @ 11:06 am
So I’ve been told.
Comment by k — May 23, 2008 @ 12:17 pm
“I have been a Scientologist for well over 15 years, and I am neither brain washed or victimized.”
One could observe that most members of the Roman Catholic Church were not sexually victimized by priests who were then protected from the consequences of their actions by the hierarchy of the church. Should we be ignoring all those who were at the behest of those who were not? Very well; then why should we ignore those who have been hurt by the Church of Scientology’s abusive practices simply because you say you are not one of them?
“Members of Anonymous have made hundreds of death threats to different locations of the Church of Scientology, and the police have to draw the line someplace.”
Are you stating this of your own personal knowledge? I highly doubt it, because if the Church of Scientology had credible evidence of even one such death threat made by members of Anonymous, they would be prosecuting and publicizing the case to the high heavens. Just look at how they publicized the alleged “bomb threat” video on YouTube, for instance, despite the fact that there was no credible evidence to believe that that video actually came from Anonymous and plenty of evidence to suggest that it was just another Church of Scientology framing attempt (like the notorious plot against Paulette Cooper).
“(where are all of the criminal convictions of Scientologists?)”
Oh, my, my, my. Do you really want a list? Well, let’s start with Mary Sue Hubbard, Jane Kember, Gerald Bennett Wolfe and the other eight top-ranking Scientologists who were convicted for their roles in Operation Snow White, the single largest infiltration of the US Government in history. Let’s also look at Reed Slatkin, “ordained Scientology minister” and perpetrator of the biggest Ponzi scheme since that operated by Charles Ponzi himself. Let’s not forget Scientology celebrity James Barbour, who recently returned from a sixty-day engagement playing to a packed house at Riker’s Island, thanks to his sexual contact with minors.
That’s certainly enough to prove a point, but let’s have one more classic for the road. From the New York Times:
Not just a Scientologist, convicted. A Scientologist convicted in the death of a Scientologist who died for Scientology. And you can’t figure out why people might be protesting Scientology, can you?
“The opinion of one Mr Justice Latey does not brand a religion forever (24 years ago); especially since his opinion was not based on facts (look it up!).”
Actually, I recommend that you look it up, since not only was it based on facts, it was based in large part upon documentation supplied by the Scientologist father in the case.
“I recommend that all of you people who want to call anyone names should first understand those you criticize. “What is Scientology†is available on line to get their side of it, and many books are available at the library. Neither will cost you a penny, but you can make up your own minds, rather than judging them from the actions of people who are motivated by who knows what.”
What is your excuse for ignoring the bad things that are said about Scientology by people who were in it for ten, fifteen, twenty, twenty-five, or even thirty years and then left? You are claiming that opposition to Scientology must be rooted in having failed to read enough Scientology texts, and yet how do you explain the fact that many people who have read far more Scientology texts than the average current Scientologist even knows about have still come to the conclusion that Scientology will never deliver on the promises it made?
See, I ask that question a lot, and an awful lot of the time I get an unintentionally revealing answer: “Those people who leave the Church and say bad things about it — they must be bad people! If they were good people, they would have recognized the value of Scientology and stayed with it; the fact that they left means that there’s something wrong with them!” You would think that if Scientology actually gave people the skills to think more clearly, no one would give this answer. You would think that the additional IQ points that purportedly come as a result of auditing would cause Scientologists to look at that “logic” and say “hey, wait a minute — that’s circular thinking. You could ‘prove’ any opinion by simply saying ‘all people qualified to have an opinion share this opinion, and by the way, sharing this opinion is what makes a person qualified to have an opinion.’ Therefore, this is no proof at all of the value of Scientology.” Yet Scientologist after Scientologist will aver that all the people who praise Scientology prove it’s praiseworthy — and all the rest don’t count. And you claim that no one is brainwashed by Scientology?
(By the way, I’ve read What is Scientology? I even own a copy. I think it’s hilarious; I especially like the part where they explain why aspirin makes you stupid and dangerous to those around you.)
“Why has nobody addressed my comments about other organizations and your own government?”
Why should anyone go along with your fairly transparent attempt to change the subject?
Comment by AF — May 24, 2008 @ 12:42 am
AF, I applaud you.
Comment by 9 — May 24, 2008 @ 5:49 am
I applaud you too AF-great post.
Comment by Rachel — May 24, 2008 @ 5:32 pm
There is a law of Nature or law of God called “Physiological Reactions†that is the true secret behind Scientology’s Dianectic study technology.
The LRH discovered that when you passed a misunderstood word—you manifested many reactions of various types: Yawning, sleepiness, not there feeling, dizziness, blurry eyes, nervousness and dozens more.
Being the liar that he was, he claimed that Dianetics was “‘his†invention and not a law of God; he hid the fact that it is our human inheritance since time began.
Granted that his power of obnosis was the best in the world, his crime against humanity was to make a “religion†based upon the falsehood, that it was his invention or creation and not a law of God.
There is an EBOOK that explains and reveals the dark and evil secrets of this cult and a few others.
It teaches a person the ways of natural self-healing and also exposes this cult for the thieves that they are.
Go to: http://selfhealingdata.com/
There you will learn to self-heal and learn how to expose the crimes of Scientology.
The Ronbot Hunter.
Comment by The Ronbot Hunter — May 29, 2008 @ 8:48 am