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	<title>Comments on: Will Disclosure In Court Be Scientology&#8217;s Undoing In UK Teen&#8217;s &#8220;Cult&#8221; Case?</title>
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		<title>By: The Ronbot Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Ronbot Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 12:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a law of Nature or law of God called â€œPhysiological Reactionsâ€ that is the true secret behind Scientologyâ€™s Dianectic study technology.

The LRH discovered that when you passed a misunderstood wordâ€”you manifested many reactions of various types: Yawning, sleepiness, not there feeling, dizziness, blurry eyes, nervousness and dozens more.

Being the liar that he was, he claimed that Dianetics was â€œâ€˜hisâ€ invention and not a law of God; he hid the fact that it is our human inheritance since time began.

Granted that his power of obnosis was the best in the world, his crime against humanity was to make a â€œreligionâ€ based upon the falsehood, that it was his invention or creation and not a law of God.

There is an EBOOK that explains and reveals the dark and evil secrets of this cult and a few others.

It teaches a person the ways of natural self-healing and also exposes this cult for the thieves that they are.

Go to: http://selfhealingdata.com/

There you will learn to self-heal and learn how to expose the crimes of Scientology.

The Ronbot Hunter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a law of Nature or law of God called â€œPhysiological Reactionsâ€ that is the true secret behind Scientologyâ€™s Dianectic study technology.</p>
<p>The LRH discovered that when you passed a misunderstood wordâ€”you manifested many reactions of various types: Yawning, sleepiness, not there feeling, dizziness, blurry eyes, nervousness and dozens more.</p>
<p>Being the liar that he was, he claimed that Dianetics was â€œâ€˜hisâ€ invention and not a law of God; he hid the fact that it is our human inheritance since time began.</p>
<p>Granted that his power of obnosis was the best in the world, his crime against humanity was to make a â€œreligionâ€ based upon the falsehood, that it was his invention or creation and not a law of God.</p>
<p>There is an EBOOK that explains and reveals the dark and evil secrets of this cult and a few others.</p>
<p>It teaches a person the ways of natural self-healing and also exposes this cult for the thieves that they are.</p>
<p>Go to: <a href="http://selfhealingdata.com/" rel="nofollow">http://selfhealingdata.com/</a></p>
<p>There you will learn to self-heal and learn how to expose the crimes of Scientology.</p>
<p>The Ronbot Hunter.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 21:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I applaud you too AF-great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud you too AF-great post.</p>
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		<title>By: 9</title>
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		<dc:creator>9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 09:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AF, I applaud you.</description>
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		<title>By: AF</title>
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		<dc:creator>AF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 04:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have been a Scientologist for well over 15 years, and I am neither brain washed or victimized.&quot; 

One could observe that &lt;i&gt;most&lt;/i&gt; members of the Roman Catholic Church were not sexually victimized by priests who were then protected from the consequences of their actions by the hierarchy of the church.  Should we be ignoring all those who &lt;i&gt;were&lt;/i&gt; at the behest of those who were not?  Very well; then why should we ignore those who have been hurt by the Church of Scientology&#039;s abusive practices simply because you say you are not one of them?

&quot;Members of Anonymous have made hundreds of death threats to different locations of the Church of Scientology, and the police have to draw the line someplace.&quot;

Are you stating this of your own personal knowledge?  I highly doubt it, because if the Church of Scientology had credible evidence of even &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt; such death threat made by members of Anonymous, they would be prosecuting and publicizing the case to the high heavens.  Just look at how they publicized the alleged &quot;bomb threat&quot; video on YouTube, for instance, despite the fact that there was no credible evidence to believe that that video actually came from Anonymous and plenty of evidence to suggest that it was just another Church of Scientology framing attempt (like the notorious plot against Paulette Cooper).

&quot;(where are all of the criminal convictions of Scientologists?)&quot;

Oh, my, my, my.  Do you really want a list?  Well, let&#039;s start with Mary Sue Hubbard, Jane Kember, Gerald Bennett Wolfe and the other eight top-ranking Scientologists who were convicted for their roles in Operation Snow White, the single largest infiltration of the US Government in history.  Let&#039;s also look at Reed Slatkin, &quot;ordained Scientology minister&quot; and perpetrator of the biggest Ponzi scheme since that operated by Charles Ponzi himself.  Let&#039;s not forget Scientology celebrity James Barbour, who recently returned from a sixty-day engagement playing to a packed house at Riker&#039;s Island, thanks to his sexual contact with minors.

That&#039;s certainly enough to prove a point, but let&#039;s have one more classic for the road.  From &lt;a href=&quot;http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E00E7DE153DF930A15752C1A960958260&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the New York Times&lt;/a&gt;:  

&lt;blockquote&gt;The founder and former head of the Church of Scientology in Lyons was convicted of fraud and involuntary homicide today in the death of a church member who committed suicide after going heavily into debt to pay the sect for counseling sessions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not just a Scientologist, convicted.  A Scientologist convicted in the death of a Scientologist who died &lt;i&gt;for&lt;/i&gt; Scientology.  And you can&#039;t figure out why people might be protesting Scientology, can you?

&quot;The opinion of one Mr Justice Latey does not brand a religion forever (24 years ago); especially since his opinion was not based on facts (look it up!).&quot;

Actually, I recommend that &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; look it up, since not only was it based on facts, it was based in large part upon documentation supplied by the Scientologist father in the case.

&quot;I recommend that all of you people who want to call anyone names should first understand those you criticize. â€œWhat is Scientologyâ€ is available on line to get their side of it, and many books are available at the library. Neither will cost you a penny, but you can make up your own minds, rather than judging them from the actions of people who are motivated by who knows what.&quot;

What is your excuse for ignoring the bad things that are said about Scientology by people who were in it for ten, fifteen, twenty, twenty-five, or even thirty years and then left?  You are claiming that opposition to Scientology &lt;i&gt;must be&lt;/i&gt; rooted in having failed to read enough Scientology texts, and yet how do you explain the fact that many people who have read far more Scientology texts than the average current Scientologist even knows about have still come to the conclusion that Scientology will never deliver on the promises it made?

See, I ask that question a lot, and an awful lot of the time I get an unintentionally revealing answer:  &quot;Those people who leave the Church and say bad things about it -- they must be bad people!  If they were good people, they would have recognized the value of Scientology and stayed with it; the fact that they left means that there&#039;s something wrong with &lt;i&gt;them&lt;/i&gt;!&quot;  You would think that if Scientology actually gave people the skills to think more clearly, &lt;i&gt;no one&lt;/i&gt; would give this answer.  You would think that the additional IQ points that purportedly come as a result of auditing would cause Scientologists to look at that &quot;logic&quot; and say &quot;hey, wait a minute -- that&#039;s circular thinking.  You could &#039;prove&#039; &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; opinion by simply saying &#039;all people qualified to have an opinion share this opinion, and by the way, sharing this opinion is what &lt;i&gt;makes&lt;/i&gt; a person qualified to have an opinion.&#039;  Therefore, this is no proof at all of the value of Scientology.&quot;  Yet Scientologist after Scientologist will aver that all the people who praise Scientology prove it&#039;s praiseworthy -- and all the rest don&#039;t count.  And you claim that no one is brainwashed by Scientology? 

(By the way, I&#039;ve read &lt;i&gt;What is Scientology?&lt;/i&gt;  I even own a copy.  I think it&#039;s hilarious; I especially like the part where they explain why aspirin makes you stupid and dangerous to those around you.)

&quot;Why has nobody addressed my comments about other organizations and your own government?&quot;

Why &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; anyone go along with your fairly transparent attempt to change the subject?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have been a Scientologist for well over 15 years, and I am neither brain washed or victimized.&#8221; </p>
<p>One could observe that <i>most</i> members of the Roman Catholic Church were not sexually victimized by priests who were then protected from the consequences of their actions by the hierarchy of the church.  Should we be ignoring all those who <i>were</i> at the behest of those who were not?  Very well; then why should we ignore those who have been hurt by the Church of Scientology&#8217;s abusive practices simply because you say you are not one of them?</p>
<p>&#8220;Members of Anonymous have made hundreds of death threats to different locations of the Church of Scientology, and the police have to draw the line someplace.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you stating this of your own personal knowledge?  I highly doubt it, because if the Church of Scientology had credible evidence of even <i>one</i> such death threat made by members of Anonymous, they would be prosecuting and publicizing the case to the high heavens.  Just look at how they publicized the alleged &#8220;bomb threat&#8221; video on YouTube, for instance, despite the fact that there was no credible evidence to believe that that video actually came from Anonymous and plenty of evidence to suggest that it was just another Church of Scientology framing attempt (like the notorious plot against Paulette Cooper).</p>
<p>&#8220;(where are all of the criminal convictions of Scientologists?)&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, my, my, my.  Do you really want a list?  Well, let&#8217;s start with Mary Sue Hubbard, Jane Kember, Gerald Bennett Wolfe and the other eight top-ranking Scientologists who were convicted for their roles in Operation Snow White, the single largest infiltration of the US Government in history.  Let&#8217;s also look at Reed Slatkin, &#8220;ordained Scientology minister&#8221; and perpetrator of the biggest Ponzi scheme since that operated by Charles Ponzi himself.  Let&#8217;s not forget Scientology celebrity James Barbour, who recently returned from a sixty-day engagement playing to a packed house at Riker&#8217;s Island, thanks to his sexual contact with minors.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s certainly enough to prove a point, but let&#8217;s have one more classic for the road.  From <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E00E7DE153DF930A15752C1A960958260" rel="nofollow">the New York Times</a>:  </p>
<blockquote><p>The founder and former head of the Church of Scientology in Lyons was convicted of fraud and involuntary homicide today in the death of a church member who committed suicide after going heavily into debt to pay the sect for counseling sessions.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not just a Scientologist, convicted.  A Scientologist convicted in the death of a Scientologist who died <i>for</i> Scientology.  And you can&#8217;t figure out why people might be protesting Scientology, can you?</p>
<p>&#8220;The opinion of one Mr Justice Latey does not brand a religion forever (24 years ago); especially since his opinion was not based on facts (look it up!).&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I recommend that <i>you</i> look it up, since not only was it based on facts, it was based in large part upon documentation supplied by the Scientologist father in the case.</p>
<p>&#8220;I recommend that all of you people who want to call anyone names should first understand those you criticize. â€œWhat is Scientologyâ€ is available on line to get their side of it, and many books are available at the library. Neither will cost you a penny, but you can make up your own minds, rather than judging them from the actions of people who are motivated by who knows what.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is your excuse for ignoring the bad things that are said about Scientology by people who were in it for ten, fifteen, twenty, twenty-five, or even thirty years and then left?  You are claiming that opposition to Scientology <i>must be</i> rooted in having failed to read enough Scientology texts, and yet how do you explain the fact that many people who have read far more Scientology texts than the average current Scientologist even knows about have still come to the conclusion that Scientology will never deliver on the promises it made?</p>
<p>See, I ask that question a lot, and an awful lot of the time I get an unintentionally revealing answer:  &#8220;Those people who leave the Church and say bad things about it &#8212; they must be bad people!  If they were good people, they would have recognized the value of Scientology and stayed with it; the fact that they left means that there&#8217;s something wrong with <i>them</i>!&#8221;  You would think that if Scientology actually gave people the skills to think more clearly, <i>no one</i> would give this answer.  You would think that the additional IQ points that purportedly come as a result of auditing would cause Scientologists to look at that &#8220;logic&#8221; and say &#8220;hey, wait a minute &#8212; that&#8217;s circular thinking.  You could &#8216;prove&#8217; <i>any</i> opinion by simply saying &#8216;all people qualified to have an opinion share this opinion, and by the way, sharing this opinion is what <i>makes</i> a person qualified to have an opinion.&#8217;  Therefore, this is no proof at all of the value of Scientology.&#8221;  Yet Scientologist after Scientologist will aver that all the people who praise Scientology prove it&#8217;s praiseworthy &#8212; and all the rest don&#8217;t count.  And you claim that no one is brainwashed by Scientology? </p>
<p>(By the way, I&#8217;ve read <i>What is Scientology?</i>  I even own a copy.  I think it&#8217;s hilarious; I especially like the part where they explain why aspirin makes you stupid and dangerous to those around you.)</p>
<p>&#8220;Why has nobody addressed my comments about other organizations and your own government?&#8221;</p>
<p>Why <i>should</i> anyone go along with your fairly transparent attempt to change the subject?</p>
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		<title>By: k</title>
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		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 16:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I&#039;ve been told.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I&#8217;ve been told.  <img src='http://glosslip.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: DM Longcat</title>
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		<dc:creator>DM Longcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please go read this article to?

http://glosslip.com/2008/05/23/cancer-and-scientology-the-silent-killer/#comment-45611</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please go read this article to?</p>
<p><a href="http://glosslip.com/2008/05/23/cancer-and-scientology-the-silent-killer/#comment-45611" rel="nofollow">http://glosslip.com/2008/05/23/cancer-and-scientology-the-silent-killer/#comment-45611</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anon, Anon, My Boyfriend's Back!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon, Anon, My Boyfriend's Back!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, K! You&#039;re a doll!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, K! You&#8217;re a doll!</p>
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		<title>By: k</title>
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		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fixeded it.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fixeded it.  <img src='http://glosslip.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Marcab Loyal Officer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcab Loyal Officer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget it just go to xenutv and click on interviews
Greg and Debra Barnes</description>
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Greg and Debra Barnes</p>
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		<title>By: Marcab Loyal Officer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcab Loyal Officer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the OTVII interview from Xenu tv since it did not seem to make it in.</description>
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