Scientology’s Security Checks On Children
Guest post submission by Marc M Arcab:
Scientology, Sec Checking and Children
Scientology believes in (a) reincarnation, (b) that children are adults with small bodies, and (c) the fate of your thetan is more important than anything in this life. This allows them to justify a lot of the abuses and fraud in their religion. Today, we’re going to look at the Children’s Security Check. Now, for copyright reasons, we’re only going over a few salient points of it with a link to the original document on wikileaks, in keeping with the international laws on fair use copyright law.
As you read this, keep in mind these sec checks (security checks) are (a) for children 6-12 according to the document itself, (b) goes into their folder that Scientology keeps forever, and (c) it has been proven that Scientology will use the contents of that folder to not only threaten you if you leave the church and want to speak out, but will actually use it to threaten you if you express doubt or want to leave in the first place. Lasty, these are children. Their minds aren’t fully formed. They can’t think for themselves the way adults can. This is a despicable predatory practice. The children grow up in fear, because children are afraid of “getting in trouble”. Thus they are more responsive to authoritative abuse than adults.
1. What has somebody told you not to tell?
2. Have you ever decided you did not like some member of your family?
3. Have you ever decided you did not like some member of your family?
4. Have you ever made yourself sick (ill), or hurt yourself to make somebody sorry?
5. Have you ever told another child something that wasn’t true, just to frighten or upset him?
6.Have you ever deliberately got another child, or a grown-up, into trouble?
7.Have you ever been mean, or cruel, to an animal, bird or fish?
8.Do you have a secret?
9. Have you ever done anything you were very much ashamed of?
10. Have you ever broken, damaged, or taken, any school property?
11. Have you ever cheated by copying someone else’s work, taking notes into an examination, or looking up answers in a book when you weren’t supposed to?
12. Have you ever offered as an excuse for something you have done wrong that you
are only a child, or that you haven’t grown up yet?
13. Have you ever done something to your body that you shouldn’t have?
14. Have you ever done anything to someone else’s body that you shouldn’t have?
15. Have you ever ganged up on another child and made fun of him because he was different from the rest of you?
16. Have you ever broken or damaged something and never told anybody it was you who did it?
17. Have you ever let someone else get punished for something you did?
18. Have you ever done anything wrong according to your own religion?
19. Have you ever done something to someone that you’d hate to have done to you?
20. Have you ever thought someone was crazy?
Now, this is five pages worth of questions. I’ve only selected 20 of them. There are a couple reasons that this is done. The first is that, by forcing the kid to continually answer these questions, whatever the content, for an extended period of time, it breaks down their mental barriers to keeping secrets, deciding who to trust, and depending on the delivery, breaks down their self esteem as the questions are badged hostily until the agent is convinced they are getting the whole truth.
Another reason is to put information in their file that they can later use to control them. Several ex-Scientologists including Jason Beghe and Tory Magoo have talked about how everything you tell the Church of Scientology is recorded to use later for blackmail. Blackmail to keep you in. Blackmail to silence you in case you leave. There was a recent report on Enturbulation that this is being done to Tom Cruise and John Travolta. This is unconfirmed, and is included as an instance of this incideous practice, and I personally believe that if Tom and John came forward and spilled all of their dirt as they left the Church, the world would embrace them for their boldness, honesty, and good sense in leaving that vicious cult. It is not meant to come down on Tom or John in any way. As far as I am concerned, they are victims.
The last is to create an environment of fear because these vicious people know everything about you, and can use it in whatever psychotic, dysfunctional, socio-pathic way they want. Especially in children, this creates the appearance of an all knowing organization that has the money and resources to keep you under lock and key forever, without ever needing a physical lock and key.
Add to that Disconnection, where if you are declared a Suppressive Person, all Scientologists must stop contact with you. Each person’s auditing folder contains more than enough secrets for an SP declare at any time, and Scientology is not beneath making stuff up. Imagine having to say goodbye to your friends, family, wife, and children because you can’t take the controlling, domineering, blackmailing cult watching and controlling your every move and thought.
Then, by removing any influence that is not controlled by Scientology, controlling your access to the internet, tv, and newsprint, Scientology can paint a world view in which they are saving the world by robbing you blind while pulling a 1984 on your ass. Even school is done by Scientology, public school is out. You do not get even an 8th grade education, and you learn definitions of words that are completely wrong according to the Oxford English Dictionary… redefining the meaning of words in order to further support their mind control.
If an adult with a sound mind armed with information from the internet wanted to join Scientology, I wouldn’t be so upset at this. But, Scientology preys on uninformed people, and children, and paint them in a rose colored iron maiden why they drain away their bank accounts. And what do they get? “Migraines? A clear isn’t supposed to get migranes.” That’s Jason Beghe speaking about higher OT levels. “The higher you go, the worse you get… Show me a m*f* clear!”.
Jason, I can’t. The tech of Scientology isn’t about achieving clear. It’s about mind control. And when you abuse children in this way, a lot of people aren’t going to be happy.
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Comment by Sal the Bartender — June 21, 2008 @ 5:20 pm
So Glosslips.com is going hard at Scientology I See.
Sec Checks (confessional auditing) are neccesary before auditing can take place. Children usually start auditing around 6 years old. Its done to remove Withholds and overts, so the auditing session can be successful.
Excommunication happens in an attempt to keep you away from someone whos declared suppresive to your route to total freedom. This would be the equivalent of your mother telling you not to associate with people who do drugs, or neglect school. As you could be influenced by there bad or negative actions.
A scientology school is no different from a catholic school. The reason why we send our kids there (My daughter will be going soon, shes almost 3 now) They tech using L.Ron Hubbards techniques, which all scientologist KNOW works!! The Kids wont have to worry about SP’s, who are trying to fill there heads with there own opinions or beliefs about the religion.
Side bar: I was raised southern baptist until I was 18. I found scientology, I give tremendous thanks to my parents for teaching me baptist. But It Didnt feel right, If Scientology doesnt feel right for You……Go find Something that does.
The best feeling I ever Had was when I found Scientology, and I can only hope That everyone else can have that feeling, even if its not being a scientologist.
Comment by Brian D. — June 21, 2008 @ 5:32 pm
Oh dear, Brian. No one wants to take away your right to practice Scientology. But your paraphrasing of disconnection is slightly skewed.
And I am going to dare throw a SP identifier right at you by saying “LRH stole his info and claimed it as his own.” This is true and it is also true that I am not an SP and that the info you pay thousands for is actually available for much less and in many cases free.
I also know that your children are smarter than you… and as much as I love the community, I hope that one day they don’t ever have to join this message board - http://www.exscientologykids.com
the proof is in the stories.
Comment by Lori — June 21, 2008 @ 6:50 pm
Glosslip continues to misunderstand Scientology tenets.
This article presents: Scientology believes in
(a) reincarnation. — No, but it says that you can come to know your spiritual existence.
(b) that children are adults with small bodies. — No, but it says you can come to know whether you have lived before in earlier bodies.
(c) the fate of your thetan is more important than anything in this life. –No, but it says that: 1). It is your decisions that create your fate, 2). Your integrity is more important to you than your human life and 3). A thetan is not a possession, you can not own one. The word is defined to mean what you actually are, independent of name, possessions and all else.
Good luck with your misunderstandings, glosslip.
Comment by Terryeo — June 21, 2008 @ 7:40 pm
hey nice doublethink Terryeo,
“Scientology believes in
(a) reincarnation. — No, but it says that you can come to know your spiritual existence.
(b) that children are adults with small bodies. — No, but it says you can come to know whether you have lived before in earlier bodies.”
Explain to me how you didn’t completely contradict yourself within two consecutive sentences at the beginning of your argument. Does OSA seriously have you lurking the internet nonstop? No wonder you need glasses. As for within Scn, if the tech actually works then it’s seriously f’ed up from standard tech’s original source due to alters. Have YOU met any actual OTs? Have you ever considered that maybe an SP could’ve gotten on comm within CMO and that this is part of the reason why every single org is downstat? I think you know of whom I refer.
Comment by David von Davidovich — June 21, 2008 @ 8:41 pm
# 2 Brian;
“A scientology school is no different from a catholic school..”
Excuse me but did you not say you were raised Baptist? How would you know what a Catholic School is like? While accusing others of making assumptions about Scientology you yourself just made a blantant one. Oh right what is true for you is true for you even if all the evidence available to you SCREAMS you are being manipulated and lied to by your Church Leaders. Well it works for me so it’s ok seems to be the constant refrain of Scientologists who post to these blogs. It used to be ok to physically hit kids who were misbehaving in school, good ole corporal punishment. It sure worked for me! Never got in trouble at the mere thought of going to the principal’s office. But it sure wasn’t right and rightfully was banned. And if Hubbard’s tech is so great let us hope your spelling is not indicative of the education your kids will get. And furthermore I get the feeling you aren’t even at OT 3 where the true colors of the church starts to be revealed and the self awareness portion of your indoctrination is left behind. All I ask is that you read both sides not keep yourself shuttered into a cloistered world of We VS Them mentality.
Comment by Mitsu Too — June 21, 2008 @ 10:04 pm
I’m by no means a fan of Scientology but some of these kids are so rotten these days, they need the Johannesberg security, the roughest sec-check of them all.
Comment by Angela Gupta Bruce Benson Nina_Reyes07 — June 21, 2008 @ 10:07 pm
“Sec Checks (confessional auditing) are neccesary before auditing can take place. Children usually start auditing around 6 years old. Its done to remove Withholds and overts, so the auditing session can be successful. ”
It’s called child abuse Brian.
“This would be the equivalent of your mother telling you not to associate with people who do drugs, or neglect school”
Right, because anyone who criticizes your cult is, by definition, a drug addict, wife-beater or child molester?
I feel badly for your children.
Comment by Rachel — June 21, 2008 @ 11:37 pm
“Glosslip continues to misunderstand Scientology tenets.”
On the contrary, glosslip knows EXACTLY what the “church” of $cientology is all about, as do more and more people everday thanks to sites like this one.
And you guys seem to be spending a lot of time trolling here. Now WHY would that be?
Comment by Rachel — June 21, 2008 @ 11:40 pm
I too would like to see Terryeo address the difference between reincarnation and having “lived before in earlier bodies”. It seems he has some misunderstandings himself.
Comment by a_non-moose — June 22, 2008 @ 12:32 am
Where does the finger pointing and dissection begin and end, guys?
Are you going after Buddhists next? By your logic, you should, as they believe in reincarnation.
Are you going after Catholics next? By your logic, you should, as they have a disconnection policy. Its called ex-communication.
Are you going after Christians next? By your logic, you should, as they are required to give or ‘tithe’ 10% of their gross income to the church. Search “tithing” in wikipedia.
Are you going after Hasidic Jews next? By your logic, you should, as they have many seemingly eccentric religious beliefs.
The same for Kaballah, etc., etc., etc…
You state publically you are not out to keep people from their beliefs, but your words and actions speak otherwise.
I know first hand, the many questionable practices Anonymous has been involved in, and I am done with it. I finally see the cracks, ignorance, and hatred for hates sake in the agenda.
Comment by moralfag — June 22, 2008 @ 1:31 am
Brian, it’s so reassuring to know that “all Scientologists” know the educational “tech” works, the problem is that it’s been in use in various forms in our educational system for awhile now (No Child Left Behind, high stakes testing, COS charte schools, among other infiltrations), and it’s been shown time and again not to work.
CO$-related management of schools in various systems throughout the country has led to everything from demonstrated education regression to civil rights abuses resulting in lawsuits being brought by the ACLU for civil rights violations related to creating a hostile school environment likened unto prison / concentration camps.
It truly must be fabulous to be a Scientologist and “just know, because after all… you’re the experts.” Too bad the science persuasively argues that the practical application of your belief-set in the real world has made a huge contribution to our falling k-12 performance in our nation’s youth.
Kudos for “sticking to your guns” in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary! It’s refreshing to know that the widely-held suspicion that rational thought and Scientology were not closely connected is now confirmed.
Comment by AnonMSW — June 22, 2008 @ 1:42 am
Moralfag, my logic has nothing to do with going after people who believe in reincarnation. I’m curious about the position of a commenter who blatantly contradicts himself while accusing a journalist of a misunderstanding.
Comment by a_non-moose — June 22, 2008 @ 2:07 am
#2, 4, 11: BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW more. Victim complex much? I mean, come on. There’s a big difference between someone doing drugs, skipping school, what have you and someone trying to have an intelligent discussion. Never mind the fact that you guys don’t want to return the favor of being intelligent and recognizing that your own point of view and beliefs might not be correct. If the almighty Cult of $cientology says it is so, it must be true.
#2: No difference between Catholic school and Scientology schools? Really? There’s no difference between someone saying “Hey Brian, I’m thinking of asking Diana out later. Do you know if she’s interested in me? I don’t want to embarrass myself.” and saying “Hey Brian, I’m thinking of making Diana my D2. Do you have any idea where she’s at on the Tone Scale? I don’t want to get into anything with a PTS.” I tell you, no, I guarantee you with a money-back policy* that the first conversation is more understandable than the second one.
*Note I never offered any money in the first place, though it’s so foolproof that anyone can see which is more understandable to the layman that knows about today’s society and knows little to nothing about the Cult of $cientology’s 1984 Doublespeak.
I mean, come the hell on. #4: You posit that Scientology does not believe in reincarnation, when there are documented tapes and lectures from L. Ron Hubbard himself contradicting you available all over the internet. Check out Operation Clambake, Wikileaks, hell, go to your local library and see if you can ask a reference librarian if they can assist you in finding information on L. Ron’s lectures.
As to point B, I will concede that I haven’t read everything I can on that yet (Library is still looking for the lost Child Dianetics book), but from what I have seen your statement is total bullshit. It’s been stated that thetans are the result of dead alien souls, and therefore we’re all dead aliens, or conglomerations of them. If there is the possibility that we haven’t lived past lives, you’re saying that there’s still an alien genocide going on that is resulting in their souls being drawn to Earth, or Teegeeack as L. Ron called it. Is that what you’re saying, or are you talking out your ass because you have no realistic defense or assault on hand that can make any other statement look/sound reasonable?
On to point C, subsections 1, 2, and 3. You state in point 1 that: It is your decisions that create your fate. Excuse me while I try to calm down all the temporal theorists in the world. You saying that means that anything that I do to you will only reflect onto myself and have no effect on yourself, and in turn will not influence you to make any effect on anyone else. Basically, what I’m saying is, from what I can see in your statement, that you believe that only YOUR decisions can affect YOUR OWN fate, having NO EFFECT on ANYONE ELSE’S. This is, bluntly put, BULLSHIT. If you really need that explained anymore, goddamn. I mean Goddamn Goddamn. That’s sad.
In point 2, you state that your integrity is more important than your human life. Finally something that I can actually agree on with the Cult of $cientology. Yes, I know, I’m shocked too. Trust me, no one is more so than I at this moment, so let’s move on out of bizarro world and look at more flaws in your argument before I start hugging puppies and passing out flowers.
And finally, point 3. “A thetan is not a possession, you can not own one. The word is defined to mean what you actually are, independent of name, possessions and all else.”
……….lolwut? So, basically, you’re taking what everyone else usually calls a soul (except for my Atheist friends who don’t believe in all this nonsense), is really a thetan, and again, as most people believe, it is supposed to define what you actually are, i.e., your true self.
The lolwut comes from the fact that: If you’re thetan isn’t really contributing anything to this life, is it REALLY the THETAN that is in control here, or is it the “false engrams” and “assumed reality” that we’re living in? I mean, you say that you used to be the King of France, alright, awesome; but isn’t that just a “false engram” as well? If you remember being the King of France, wasn’t that just another “assumed reality”? QED. If your thetan is what you actually are, and it’s really an old alien soul, and the aliens are trapped in you… doesn’t that mean that the aliens are foreign invaders, and instead of Ordaining them or whatever bullshit it is that the Co$ is doing, we should be doing everything in our power to kill them, eradicate them, make some form of immunization to prevent the “new” brand of thetan from getting into us and our kids, since as you previously stated, “it says you can come to know whether you have lived before in earlier bodies”, thus meaning that it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that there are NEW thetans coming into our bodies? What is it, Terryeo? Get back to me once you have your story straightened out.
And to #11: I don’t know if I should waste my breath. YOUR ignorance speaks volumes with the small-minded comments you throw out concerning the main problem Anonymous has is the whole “Make money, make more money, recruit people into $cientology and make THEM make more money” deal that David Miscaviage created. tl;dr, BAWWWWWWWW more with your victim complex buddies. The world is waking up, and it’s bringing, dragging, and excavating you and your DANGEROUS CULT into the public eye for all to see. So everyone can finally see YOUR crimes. Your Children’s RPF, your Sec Checks, your Personality Tests and the pile of rubbish they really are, and how you MURDER INNOCENT VICTIMS and THREATEN FAMILIES in all your many ways.
Reconcile your ways, change your cult from the inside out, and make yourselves visible so that nothing is hidden. Accept responsibility for all the wrongs you have committed, and maybe, MAYBE those that you have hurt along the years will forgive those that were misguided by the Cult. As for Anonymous…
We are legion.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
And We WILL come back should you falter, not with malice, nor with hatred, but with sorrow and joy. Sorrow that you did not get the message right the first time, and joy in the fact that our lulz will be had again.
Comment by Anon — June 22, 2008 @ 4:21 am
I don’t think I would trust a “Study Tech” that can’t even teach someone how to use the word “there” correctly. I learned the difference in Catholic School.
Comment by sanaray — June 22, 2008 @ 4:45 am
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These questions are deliberately meant to diminish a sense of self esteem early on. What child hasn’t done most of them? That inherenetly says “I am bad”, which leads to “I don’t deserve…”. This is what they want. They want the individual to feel that they are undeserving, which makes them easier to brainwash and more apt to accept abuse later on. L. Ron Hubbard was a sick bastard who knew how to diminish the individual early on so as to create a mindless adult drone.
Comment by jane — June 22, 2008 @ 7:15 am
“I know first hand, the many questionable practices Anonymous has been involved in, and I am done with it. I finally see the cracks, ignorance, and hatred for hates sake in the agenda.
Comment by moralfag — June 22, 2008″
And what practices would those be? Please link a source to back up your baseless accusations. What’s that you say-you can’t? How very surprising.
See you at the July protest.
Comment by Rachel — June 22, 2008 @ 7:45 am
To Moral Fag;
While the Catholic Church may have a practice of “ex-communication” it is used seldomly and only removes the ex member from practicing in the sacraments of the church. It does not remove the person from his family, friends, associates or any other person they wish to have contact with nor does it seel by all means to dead agent you, make you unable to earn a living or for that matter sue you if you choose to talk about it. The issue of reincarnation for Buddhist is not questioned either only the double speak of scientologist to say that it doesn’t exist but they have pass lives. That is called hypocrisy. It’s not the subject matter that is being questioned but the manner or method of denial and hidden agenda of the CoS. Also I would like to see what examples of anonymous misdeeds you speak of. Anonymous at least cites their informations so one can follow the truth or falsehood of their arguement and they have also told all to look at the CoS materials as well. AS a member of Joe Q Public I have followed this debate closely and so far the scientologists are failing badly in articulating their side of it. And it is always interesting to me how this site in particular seems to attrack so much attention from agents of this church.
Comment by Mitsu Too — June 22, 2008 @ 8:21 am
Get out while you can, Scientologists. David Miscavige is planning to flee the country as we speak. Your ship is in dry dock indefinitely for asbestos they didn’t tell you about.
You have free (non-pyschiatric) support waiting on the outside. On the inside they want your money.
Wake up.
Comment by Anonymous — June 22, 2008 @ 9:12 am
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Don’t forget that while these little kids are being interrogated, they are holding cans of a crude lie detector and also getting the beginnings of the electrical addiction to “auditing”
BTW
How come we seem to know more about their “religion” then they do?
I guess not having to pay for it’s doctrines helps.
I really feel sorry for Scientologists.
Comment by tuffyt — June 22, 2008 @ 10:29 am
I agree with you tuffyt. I do feel truly sorry for Scientologists. What an evil con.
Comment by Mary Brown — June 22, 2008 @ 11:31 am
I also in a way believe that reincarnation is a reality. I don’t believe though that it should continue being a reality. I believe that the intention of Jesus was to get the spirit of people to stop being reborn in the flesh.
The security checks of Scientology are part of the paranoia of Scientology.
The paranoia of Scientology is looking for enemies & having a fear of enemies.
Scientologists are made mentally disturbed by a fear of enemies.
Even their master Ron hubbard stated that a person elects their own executioner & by always fearing enemies Scientologists are always electing their own executioners.
This is their problem.
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IMHO, belief in reincarnation puts an unnecessary burden on people.
It just seems like a horrible concept to have faith in. The belief that you are trapped in endless lifetimes only to suffer until you “get it right” seems depressing. Add LRH’s crazy stories to it, and it’s a heavy load.
This is too much to feed a six year old. It’s cruel enough to put this unprovable concept to a lie-detector test on anyone, much less a child.
But, if you believe, as Scientologists DO, that kids are just adult thetans in small bodies, it justifies this action. Commenters here have suggested it is not what they believe, but even Jada Plinko Smith was quoted that she doesn’t tell her children what to do, they are adults really. Katie Holmes doesn’t tell her toddler “no”. Leah Remini doesn’t tell her kid “no”. We know it is their belief.
Contrast what the Word of God says, which is also received in faith, about reincarnation.
It rejects this concept outright. It says you live once, die once, and then comes judgment. You are guilty of your sins and can be forgiven by faith in Jesus Christ only, but it all happens in one lifetime. You do not have previous life sins to be burdened with.
The Word of God will also tell you that Jesus is the only mediator between man and God, the only “auditor” if you will.
And, He has a reputation of auditing you with the absolute truth in love. He will tell you whether you are right or wrong. He will forgive you and wipe your record clean. Any advice He gives you to “fix” your problems will not include hurting, lying to, or destroying another person. He will also restore your soul.
His burden is light, His salvation free! The kind of real freedom all of the Scientologists, and really all people of the world need.
The ultimate “Freezone”!
tuffy
Comment by tuffyt — June 22, 2008 @ 2:45 pm
so called moralfag Annonymous had and is still doing a great Job of exposing scientology for the abusive and filthy cult it really is. God Bless Annonymous and Dawn All involved in exposing the truth about the cult scientology and it’s many fronts. brian , terryeo do some research brian at this point you are subjecting your Childrten to abuse i Pray for Their sake you get some knowledge and They realize you are not wise.
Comment by judy — June 22, 2008 @ 3:48 pm
Where Do I start… OK, I was born and raised in Scn, My Mother and Father are still in there, and I went to a Scn School. ABSOLUTELY the WORST thing you can do to your child!!!! Some how I came out okay… most of the kids I went to school with have NO real world education… or for that matter a real education! Like, world history, economics, Social studies, reading, writing… they know everything about Scn, but nothing about the world we live in! And some are having a real hard time dealing with it! The Sec Checks are… SO FUCKED UP!! They really are… Brian, I’m sorry dude! You can believe in Scn and practice it and do the such, but there is shit in there that IS NOT RIGHT!!!.. Short story, real life story… about Sec checks and what Scn can do with them. I’m going to change the subject matters and names around as OSA reads this and they will know its me, and I fear for what they might do to my Mom & Dad, They are still in Scn, but I still love them!
“Joey (my brother) was working on a Scn job with a team of people, they went to lunch… during lunch, the project caught on fire (yes a real fire, real flames, real smoke) the project was evacuated, firefighters spent 12 hours putting out. (here comes the sec check part) Joey was apart of the team, he went into Sec checking for 3 months, everyday, and when he wasn’t on the Meter, he was hauling rocks. Joey did not set the fire, he was at lunch. by the end of the 3 months, Joey knew positively that he set the fire, he was crushed, sorry, felt so bad that he accidentally started this fire. Didn’t know how to repay and make up for what he did. he spent months doing lower conditions. And making up the damage for the time and money he made the church spend to fix the damaged property. 3 years later!!!!! a woman who was at the project 3 years ago, came out of the closet as being gay… and had to leave the church, on her way out, she said… “oh by the way… I’m the one that started the fire, I wanted to burn the place down”. She didn’t know Joey, didn’t know Joey was blamed for it all, didn’t know any of that. The next day someone comes up to Joey, and tells him this, and says… “we’re sorry, we were wrong”
THEY MADE HIM ACTUALLY AND TRULY BELIEVE HE CREATED THIS MESS!! THIS WAS FROM SEC CHECKING!!!
Hopefully, you get the above story… I changed things around but the story is correct.
This is the shit that is wrong!! fucked up! and just.. well I could go on!
Oh and who the fuck is “Terryeo”??? You are so full of shit??? And everything you have said is wrong? sorry, if I’m coming in late, but have you been in Scn? WTF!
I want to write so much more… but i have to go for now!
Brain… Please look deep, look for yourself, take a step back… sure all of Scn is not bad, and you can practice and believe in whatever makes you happy! and so should anyone, but just make sure you look really good, don’t hurt yourself or your kids!
Comment by YouWish... — June 22, 2008 @ 5:47 pm
This is mental and spiritual abuse.
It is inhuman to force children to reveal their innermost lives.
Everyone has a right to their own thoughts and feelings.
I am wondering if this is illegal?
Comment by zawiggens — June 22, 2008 @ 6:19 pm
OOps, I couldn’t see the link to where the material is on wikileaks… could someone tell me please?
Thanks
Comment by CaptPorridge — June 22, 2008 @ 7:27 pm
Fascinating! Should you prefer misunderstanding, to understanding, who can nay-say your right to that? You exist, you are aware. These things are obvious. Now, by what word should that which you are be called?
You can direct your attention to the distance or to your body. Whatever it is that can do that, that is you.
By what word should we call that? Ye who is aware that you are aware. That.
Scientology uses a word, “thetan”. What you are — independent of all else. Not something you have.
But you are free to understand the meaning of words and you are free to refuse to understand, or misunderstand.
But the author of this article misuses “Thetan”, thus presenting an article containing illiteracy. HEH !
Comment by Terryeo — June 22, 2008 @ 7:49 pm
Terryeo, please stop babbling. You and the other OSA drones in here have made fools of yourselves enough already.
Also, look up the real definition for ‘illiteracy’. Someone who is illiterate means someone who can’t read. At ALL. They can misspell even the simplest words. Like human, cruelty, fear, alone, sadness, pain, loss and control.
In regards to the article; how DARE the ‘Church’ of Scientology use this on any human being, especially on children. And HOW DARE THEY JUSTIFY IT. You’re reasoning behind it makes not only no sense; you are DESTROYING young minds and souls with garbage that has NO BASIS in the real world. These innocent children will be forever damaged by what YOU (yes YOU Brian D.) are allowing to happen.
When this all blows open, (and it WILL)you can be sure that child services will take EVERY SINGLE CHILD UNDER 18 into protective custody. What kind of a parent would ALLOW someone to probe and essentially rape his innocent child’s mind in such a perverse, twisted way?
May God have mercy on your souls. Because the rest of us won’t.
Comment by A Watcher — June 22, 2008 @ 9:06 pm
Actually glosslip should feel proud that the OSA drone Terryeo is posting here. Glosslip has done such a fantastic job of exposing this criminal organization the past few months the cult sent their top (yes, this is the best they can do) OSA clam in a desperate attempt at damage control. Sorry Terryeo-you’re an epic FAIL!
See you at the July protest.
Comment by Rachel — June 22, 2008 @ 10:58 pm
Brian, I’d take issue with your allusion of Scientology as your mother. A mother tells a CHILD that they can’t associate with an element they consider “bad”. That’s what parents do, they are responsible for their child’s upbringing and so get to have a certain amount of control over their child’s associations. As the child gets older, that power diminishes, hopefully because the child’s own reason and sense and instinct have taken over and guide them.
That’s a problem with Scientology, Brian. Rather than giving its adherents tools and then advising their use, Scientology is fanatical about stamping out any individual thought that might run counter to its purpose. How are you supposed to grow and learn if you’re constantly being tethered to dogma? I’m sure we’ve all met kids whose parents are so tyrannical that they seem both brainwashed and terrified; that’s what Scientologists look like to the outside world. Like browbeaten kids who have been denied their own will for so long, they don’t remember how to use it.
I personally have nothing against Scientology as a practice, as people should be allowed free will to believe what they like as long as they’re not harming people. But Scientology as an Organization IS harming people. It’s not deserved, it’s not logical, and it’s not fair to children who will be so indoctrinated that they’ll be trapped forever.
Comment by Miriam — June 23, 2008 @ 1:34 am
Terryeo: You and other Scientologists have so many “misunderstoods” (words you don’t understand or know the meaning of) that you barely speak the English language anymore.
By L. Ron Hubbard’s circular definitions, everyone who opposes Scientology has some hidden crimes.
What are the highest crimes in Scientology?
Why, Anything that harms Scientology, of course!
Scientology isn’t a religion, or a philosophy, or least of all a science. It’s a virulent, disabling and communicable parasite. From what I’ve seen, the Anonymous movement is the immunization against transmission of the parasite. Pretty soon this parasitic disease will no longer have any hosts to spread to, and the parasite die out as its hosts do.
Thanks, Dawn, for continuing to expose the destructive practices and nature of Scientology, helping to prevent more from falling into its clutches.
Terryeo: Wake up. You’re outnumbered, and your whole existence is predicated on lies. L. Ron Hubbard was an opportunistic and narcissistic con artist who was eventually driven completely insane by having to live within his own “mocked up” world. That’s the problem with manufacturing your own reality — if you do it wrong, you become trapped within a hell of your own design.
Comment by Liberty Belle — June 23, 2008 @ 3:21 am
moralfag - Where does the finger pointing and dissection begin and end, guys?
- Are you going after Buddhists next? By your logic, you should, as they believe in reincarnation.
And they are open, honest, forthright about it and are open to debate. Scientology lies about their beliefs in reincarnation.
- Are you going after Catholics next? By your logic, you should, as they have a disconnection policy. Its called ex-communication.
And they are open, honest, forthright about it and are open to debate. Scientology lies about their disconnection policy.
- Are you going after Christians next? By your logic, you should, as they are required to give or ‘tithe’ 10% of their gross income to the church. Search “tithing†in wikipedia.
And they are open, honest, forthright about it and are open to debate. Scientology operates like a business.
- Are you going after Hasidic Jews next? By your logic, you should, as they have many seemingly eccentric religious beliefs.
And they are open, honest, forthright about it and are open to debate. Scientology lies about their eccentric beliefs.
- The same for Kaballah, etc., etc., etc…
- You state publically you are not out to keep people from their beliefs, but your words and actions speak otherwise.
We wish to have an open, honest, forthright debate about it. If you cannot see the difference between these groups, so be it. Those that do wish to express themselves, I do not speak out of hate but out of concern and compassion for those who have been decieved.
Comment by nanopope — June 23, 2008 @ 6:35 am
Brian said “Sec Checks (confessional auditing) are neccesary before auditing can take place. Children usually start auditing around 6 years old. Its done to remove Withholds and overts, so the auditing session can be successful.”
Sounds a lot like saying that kids should be beaten and worn down into submission before brainwashing can occur. Children do not willingly walk into a Borg and beg to be interrogated. As a parent, the thought of any child being interrogated like this makes me sick to my stomach. How can a ‘religion’ be proud of this? Or even admit publicly that they do it? It inhumane. Really, dogs get better treatment than that of children in the cult.
Comment by ugh — June 23, 2008 @ 7:38 am
So, slippery slopes abound, yes?
Moralfag, Christians as whole are not required to pay a tithe. There are some denominations that do, but most don’t. I’d suggest you read the wiki entry on tithing.
Terry, my good chum. Way to find one small error in the article and attack it. Sure we don’t possess a thetan as one would possess a soul. Rather, we are theatans. Unfortunately, our living bodies are also inhabited by other thetans from Incident II that influence us, make us sick, sad, and other undesirables. Those thetans are called body thetans and are cleared through auditing.
And for a guy who just preached on and on about misunderstanding, I offer this:
Reincarnation, literally “to be made flesh again”, is a doctrine or metaphysical belief that some essential part of a living being (in some variations only human beings) survives death to be reborn in a new body. This essential part is often referred to as the spirit or soul, the “higher” or “true” self, “divine spark”, or “I”.
How can you say Scientology dogma doesn’t include a belief in reincarnation and then say, “lived before in earlier bodies.”? How in the hell does that make sense? For god’s sake, tell me what clearing the whole track is? Past life trauma? Keep in mind we’re talking about a belief in reincarnation, not that everyone is reincarnated. What about billion year contracts? Past life clears and OTs?
FAIL, FAIL, FAIL.
Comment by Anon, Anon, My Boyfriend's Back! — June 23, 2008 @ 11:55 am
“A scientology school is no different from a catholic school.”
Now if this comment were not so misleading in a manner intended to disguise the suffering of children, it would be laughable. Why is it that EVERY SINGLE person who has been imprisoned in the COS as a child has the same story– they receive no education, and the “school” is a ruse and a fraud. The COS simply fails to provide teachers who issue meaningful instruction. The plan is to keep the kids uneducated so they can’t function in the outside world, and can never leave the church. This is a child labor system thinly disguised as religion.
Comment by AnonymousNow — June 23, 2008 @ 12:26 pm
“Sec Checks (confessional auditing) are neccesary before auditing can take place. Children usually start auditing around 6 years old. Its done to remove Withholds and overts, so the auditing session can be successful. â€
Brian, seeing that you have rationalized child abuse, I wonder if you really have any children at all. Obviously, the numerous accounts from exscientologykids.com concerning the abusive child labor practices of the COS are vastly more credible than your contradictory, conclusory and dubious assertions. Would you like to get more specific and file affidavits, the way they have at exscientologykids.com– i didn’t think so. Indeed, the COS has an internal department– “OSA”– where the members are paid to spread lies about the COS and the critics’ movement.
Comment by AnonymousNow — June 23, 2008 @ 12:34 pm
Brian, this is where your church came from
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpHhJKeTYxI
Hubbard’s words, not mine.
r2
Comment by Artoo45 — June 23, 2008 @ 2:34 pm
@moralfag
Obvious fail attempt at impersonating a disillusioned member of Anonymous is obvious and fail.
Protip: A common Scientology tactic to derail a critical argument is changing the subject. The most popular subject appears to be Christianity. You can counter this by ignoring the Christianity subject and staying on target.
By the way. The entire OTIII documents, written in Hubbards own handwriting, are on wikileaks.org. These discuss the Xenu (evil alien overlord) genocide and body thetans (parasitic alien ghosts). You see the upper OT levels (high “states of Scientology spiritual awareness”) consist of nothing but auditing these body thetans. You can even hear, in Hubbard’s own voice, him talk about Xenu and body thetans in the clasified Class VIII assists lecture “The role of earth” also on wikileaks.org. Just further proof that Scientology spokesmen Tommy Davis lied his ass off on CNN.
Also David Miscavige is squirreling the tech.
Comment by Marcab Lieutenant — June 23, 2008 @ 8:03 pm
Holy mackerel! It takes a Dawn Olsen to make this spin right! And some zombie posters to make it seem popular.
How’s your ad revenue, Dawn?
Comment by Jepp — June 23, 2008 @ 10:47 pm
^ Probably better than your STATS, Jepp.
Comment by A Watcher — June 23, 2008 @ 11:03 pm
Glosslip made $5.67 today. I can almost retire. Too bad for you Jepp (boy the same overseas troll who keeps changing their name) you remain consistent in your effort to deflect from the obvious truth of the CoS being a total con and a dangerous cult. If you didn’t seem so socially inept, I’d almost think you were Davey himself.
Always attack, never defend. Great motto you got there CoS!
Comment by D — June 23, 2008 @ 11:56 pm
Apparently $cientology doesn’t do much to improve literary skills — they tech, there heads and there own opinions, indeed.
{A scientology school is no different from a catholic school. The reason why we send our kids there (My daughter will be going soon, shes almost 3 now) They tech using L.Ron Hubbards techniques, which all scientologist KNOW works!! The Kids wont have to worry about SP’s, who are trying to fill there heads with there own opinions or beliefs about the religion.}
Comment by David Pisscabbage — June 24, 2008 @ 1:48 am
“zombie posters”, jepp?
quite to the contrary, the responses i typically see on glosslip are informed and passionate, always relevant to the subject matter, and never needlessly hostile. in the same vein, whenever i see a scientologist posting, it is a personal attack, an obvious attempt to change the subject, completely off-topic rambling (a la terryeo), or all of the above! for the love of xenu, i hope everyone reading this (and other relevant pieces in the media) are lucid enough to understand the tactics being used here.
agh, and the implied smugness of these scientology posters appalls me. how can anyone be so self-satisfied when the organization they are attempting to defend has killed people? driven them to suicide? to financial ruin? to murder?
i can’t pity you anymore, OSA. you are ignoring the truth, and for what? to justify the money youve spent? the people youve had to disconnect from? the floors youve been made to scrub?
freedom has been made undesirable. isnt that fishy to you? scientology advertised that you would have total freedom, and here you are, not even allowed to look into these stories for fear of being reprimanded, sec checked, declared suppressive, and ultimately booted from the organization.
and we all know what happens to people who leave the organization, dont we?
http://maisonneuve.org/index.php?&page_id=12&article_id=3179
(dawn, id look for an article from an ex-sci on glosslip, but this article is new, you all should read it)
as long as i draw breath, scientology will be fought. reading comments like jepps remind me of that fact.
so in a way, thanks jepp! ^_^
Comment by argh, brains — June 24, 2008 @ 7:43 am
“Holy mackerel! It takes a Dawn Olsen to make this spin right! And some zombie posters to make it seem popular.”
The only “zombies” posting here are $cientologists who try to justify child abuse. But coming from the same cult who thinks it’s okay to use child slave labor, why she we be surprised?
How are your stats this week? Better get off your ass, it’s almost Thursday and your tiny leader is NOT in a good mood.
Comment by Rachel — June 24, 2008 @ 11:17 am
Haha, oh Wow, D. Is it just me, or is this whole flood of comments from Scientologists new? I mean, they stopped for about a month, then came back “stronger than ever”! There must be so many downstats scientologists trying to become upstat again…
Poor guys and gals.
Comment by Anoynymause — June 24, 2008 @ 3:10 pm
Wow, so many downstat scilons and it’s not even staturday!
Comment by anon — June 24, 2008 @ 3:27 pm
Here’s another video about Children’s RPF.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW8ZqGSkXjI
Child slavery in the name of religion. Terryeo must be bursting with pride over all this! Oh Terryeoooooooooooo…….
Comment by ugh — June 25, 2008 @ 11:13 am
It’s like an ARS troll reunion!!! XD
Now if only the Golden Age of Knowledge would involve new talking points. -_-
Comment by StealthBadger — June 27, 2008 @ 8:13 pm
HINT:
any one who denies, says it is not 100% in the article or that any other of aspect of $$$cientology (scientolgy, i write out fully because they try to scour the internet about anything involving the word Scientology) IS a $cientologist and they are FAILING at covering up or trying to respond.
secrets are secret for a reason. if you trust these people over the people who gave you life, then you have been brainwashed.
god i can not wait untill $cientology is abolished so we can start laughing about this nonsense.
YAY SLAVE CHILD LABOR!
IN parts of africa, they kill the adults, kidnap the children so that the kids will join that specific fighting militia and be part of them. this tactic of brainwashing children is OLD and obvious.
Comment by sdabestani — June 29, 2008 @ 2:41 pm
I was born in a catholic family and when I was 16 I started to study Scientology. I remember that when I was a kid I was in a “confession” with the priest as all the other kids and confession is used every day in the Catholic Church so I don’t see what is the problem if another Church is using “confession” to help someone to get rid off his “sins”.
Scientology confessional is perhaps more precise and helps the individual to get to the root of the problem bringing real relive.
If all kid would receive Scientology confessionals we will have much less young man on drugs, committing crimes etc.
Frank G. Scientologist
Comment by Frank G — July 2, 2008 @ 12:33 pm
Oh Frank G. it’s getting harder and harder for you to articulate a rational response. Confession in the Catholic Church is in no way similar to scientology’s auditing process. For one thing the priest isn’t continually pressuring you to admit to sins and especially not ones from your many past lives. For another confession is totally “confidential” and no record of it is kept. If one leaves the church they don’t go into your “file” and use it against you. The priest doesn’t discuss your “file” with other priests. As a matter of fact the priest will never divulge your private confession to anyone. Scientology seems to relish using your auditing to silence you. Jason Beghe also stated that not only is your auditing written down but taped. How many churches do you know have secret vaults? How many churches have their own secret service? How many churches have RPFs? It is sad, truly sad to see you post all over the critical sites. All it does is invoke more discussion critical of scientology and exposes you to further entheta. Go to wikileaks and listen to LRH in his own words. Truth can be painful but it is worth it if it keeps one more person from being taken advantage of.
Comment by Mitsu Too — July 2, 2008 @ 7:11 pm
Frank G,
“If all kid would receive Scientology confessionals we will have much less young man on drugs, committing crimes etc.”
I see Applied Scholastics hard at work here. Anywho, Frank, regarding “young man on drugs, committing crimes etc”, what’s the track record of the Narconon and Crimanon programs? You know, some empirical, hard, peer reviewed data?
Waiting…
Comment by Anon, Anon, My Boyfriend's Back! — July 3, 2008 @ 1:13 pm
Will someone show me stats on how these kids do on standardized tests? How are their SATs, IQ tests? How many go to top colleges/law or medical school? Other private schools are happy to provide this info.
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