09/08/2008 (5:30 pm)

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1. I new most of this info and had pieced this all together, and what I thought was a motive, this was before the DNA and all that came back, before we really knew she was dead I sent this to both Nancy Grace and Greta and had even ask why this had not really been mentioned in the media since it is clearly a motive I was unaware about Cindy maybe taking the baby, but after reading Cindys my space it just was clear that Casey was jealous of Cindy and Caseys relationship and just listening to caseys call from jail things just fit together perfectly It is just so sad that alll this has happened and that the Anthonys are just reaching for anything to cover up their own granddaughters death

   Comment by abby — September 8, 2008 @ 5:58 pm

 

2. Can some one explain why, oh, WHY in the above picture does Casey have that big self satisfied smile on her face????

   Comment by LaSal — September 8, 2008 @ 6:13 pm

 

3. Now just imagine Cindy’s frame of mind. She had these huge issues with Casey, and even got help from a professional in how to deal with them. Then, when she finally follows through on the ‘tough love’ scenario, what happens? The result is her granddaughter – maybe to most loved person in her life – is dead.

   Does anyone wonder why Cindy is in denial? She feels responsible for what happened.

   I know Cindy is off the wall, provokes problems, and frankly lies right and left. But we should all lay off her. The real story about Cindy is her pain, not her lies.

   Comment by Rob — September 8, 2008 @ 6:16 pm

 

4. “Can some one explain why, oh, WHY in the above picture does Casey have that big self satisfied smile on her face????”

   Omg, LaSal I thought the same thing when I saw this photo a few days ago. Casey is really getting off on this, she thinks she is a celeb.

   Comment by Connie — September 8, 2008 @ 6:27 pm

 

5. Do you see that picture of her? She is LOVING this. That isn’t upset, and it isn’t tears. That is amusement and enjoyment. She’s getting attention, and LOVES it.

   That alone should tip people off.

   Comment by BMcDonnell — September 8, 2008 @ 6:31 pm

 

6. I’m sure you are probably 100% correct with this theory! What I cannot understand is how Casey Anthony is free from jail when she has proven herself to be a danger/threat to others- she LOST or MURDERED a young child in her care and has not told one word of truth to assist in the investigation of the missing child. In addition, all evidence to date points to her car being involved in foul play and her having stolen money from others. She is clearly mentally unstable and I would be concerned that this ticking time bomb would go off again- let’s just hope she does not hurt any additional innocent people in her path. Her own family now knows just how truly crazy she is- you can bet that they sleep with one eye open when she is present in the home. Has anyone asked them if they are AFRAID of Casey? My bet is that they are all used to doing whatever it takes to keep her happy and stable just to keep the peace. They know that if they are to have ANY chance of finding out what happened to Caylee they had better play by Casey’s rules and appear to be kissing up to her! At this point, however, I worry for their safety. This is an individual who obviously will stop at nothing to get what she wants. Lock her up, PLEASE!!

   Comment by momof3 — September 8, 2008 @ 6:39 pm

 

7. “On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken
   Trust no one, only yourself.
   With great power, comes great consequence.
   What is given can be taken away.
   Everyone Lies.
   Everyone Dies.

   This tells everyone what happened to Caylee.

   Comment by Connie — September 8, 2008 @ 6:39 pm

 

8. I agree with all of you except Rob. The pressure needs to increase until Casey sings like a Canary. If enough pressure is applied, then maybe Cindy and George will force Casey to admit the truth and end the circus once and for all.

   Remember what the feds did to David Koresh and his crew? They blared that hideous music at all hours of the night and shined high powered lights into the compound. Just a few ideas that came to mind.

   I have questions about the shovel. What did they find on the shovel, besides dirt? Did they let the cadaver dogs sniff it? She borrowed that shovel for a reason and I’d be willing to bet the ranch that it wasn’t to dig up bamboo, as she alleges.

   Orange County Sheriff’s Office…..how much longer are you going to fiddle fart around before you charge Casey Anthony with murder? Enough is enough!

   Comment by Stephanie — September 8, 2008 @ 6:45 pm

 

9. i feel really sad for the grandparents….its like a breath of fresh air to have a grandchild come into your life. i believe that her daughter casey probably did shelfishly give her the drug so she would sleep and she could go party.you can tell watching the videos the casey was worried about her face getting cake on it and grabbing the cloth out of her moms hand to wipe her mouth off instead of caylees face and her mom just grabbed another one.she will be sorry for the things she has done and will have a lot of time to think about it in prison.more sorrow for her parents. glad she was’nt my daughter….she can never undo such a terrible act….shamefull, selfish, to use your child to get back at your mother who has been so good to you.cindy should not feel guilty.

   Comment by susan — September 8, 2008 @ 6:47 pm

 

10. momof3 comment: I think you nailed it, but I don’t think she has any intentions of harming the remaining members of her family for she gains nothing by it. I’m sure her thoughts at this time would be more in the lines of I just have to get through this time, put on an act like I care and when everything dies down I’m outa here to re-locate and start up more partying and stealing. Possibly to a greater extent next time. I don’t think she has any idea in her messed up mind that the rest of her life may be spent in jail.

    Comment by LAURA — September 8, 2008 @ 6:57 pm

 

11. I saw that smerkish grin on Casey as well and thought it odd. She has just been released yet again and news reporters are shoving her I would needless to say be a bit inhappy with the whole situation. Anyone remember those cartoons where the cat ate the bird ?
    Look familiar ???????

    Comment by shirlie — September 8, 2008 @ 6:58 pm

 

12. Susan, I noticed the same thing on the tape with the cake. Its was weird…that is not natural for a mother to do. I don’t think Caylee and Casey’s interactions was natural at all on the 20/20 tapes. Caylee was natural with her grandparents though. I thought Casey was fake with Caylee…I thought Caylee had some fear in her eyes when it came to her mom. Hard to explain…

    The shovel, I am sure they want to test the kind of dirt that was on it. Maybe to see what area the dirt on it could have came from like a swamp, woods, etc.. or whatever. I don’t think that Casey would have worked that hard to dig a place that deep. She is toooooooo lazy for that, to much work for her. Had to be in soft dirt I would think…for one thing that shovel don’t look to sturdy to me, to do much digging with.

    Comment by Connie — September 8, 2008 @ 7:01 pm

 

13. I get extremely frustrated when people think that all you have to do is “put pressure on Casey” and she will sing like a canary. If we as a society have learned ANYTHING . . . a psycopath / sociopath does not have a conscience, thus, why would anyone think they will spill the truth when pressured to do so? Casey is a monster. Cindy and George Anthony are sick individuals as well. Mental illness is mostly inherited and looks like the entire family contributed to the monster factor. Casey is getting off on all the attention and pampering – she LOVES the media (which explains the huge selection of sunglasses this new superstar displays during her “flights from media” . . . all the Anthonys make me sick. They all deserve some type of charge for obstruction of justice. None of them appear to have the “sensitivity” gene that is for sure.

    Comment by Anthonys are NUTS — September 8, 2008 @ 7:02 pm

 

14. Even now Casey is harming her family…not only did she take what was given (Caylee). Look what her parents are going through right now…with all the people at the house…Casey don’t care!!! She sees herself as famous now. I think the law is waiting to find Caylee or find more evidence…so they know, for sure,that they can get an eviction. I don’t think, they want to take any chances on Casey walking out of this. She could only be on trial once because of double jeap. We all gotta be patient…its hard, I want to see her behind bars for good NOW! I don’t live in Florida..but if I could I would help in the search.

    Comment by Connie — September 8, 2008 @ 7:10 pm

 

15. She will never tell what happened to Caylee… she is like OJ Simpson or Scott Peterson she will be happy to get away with murder and she will never admit what she did… she might even shed some tears in public if this comes to trial… but she will never confess even if they find the body

    Comment by Maura — September 8, 2008 @ 7:20 pm

 

16. “Can some one explain why, oh, WHY in the above picture does Casey have that big self satisfied smile on her face????”

    “Omg, LaSal I thought the same thing when I saw this photo a few days ago. Casey is really getting off on this, she thinks she is a celeb.”

    She is totally loving this in my opinion… I mean honestly. She puts on her big sunglasses and her Caylee shirts that she ties up real tight and gets ushered around by body guards… C’mon. I read on another blog that when the protesters were out front over the weekend they saw her peek out the window and watch several times during the course of the night. I don’t know if she’s a sociopath. She probably has some kind of narcissistic personality disorder or something. Bottom line she probably didn’t care about Caylee except as a way to leverage with her mom. She doesn’t seem bothered at all and she knows how to work Cindy Anthony as well as anybody. She’s working them as much as she can stringing them along with the idea that Caylee is alive and safe… I don’t think George Anthony buys into the whole thing like Cindy. Ever notice how quickly he gets mad and aggressive? Almost like he is defensive while Cindy is just totally out of touch with reality… I bet he knows much more than he is letting onto. And I dont think pressure will make Casey sing. I think she’ll sing when she is old news and not front page. When telling what happened will put her back in the spotlight is when she’ll talk.

    BTW I believe they took the shovel to test the dirt and stuff on it. If she dug in the swamp or around it the soil is much, much different than the soil would be in the Anthony’s yard. So if she took it somewhere to dig they’d be able to tell by analyzing the dirt.

    I think the Orland police are just taking their time and being careful because if they don’t find a body or Caylee they have to piece together a lot of evidence to make their case.

    Comment by Liz — September 8, 2008 @ 7:25 pm

 

17. #13 and #15 – I don’t think she’ll sing either. From what I’ve read, it’s looking more and more like she has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and is maybe a sociopath to boot. She didn’t do anything wrong in her mind (people with NPD regard their children as extensions of themselves, and are thus their own property and they can do whatever they damn well please with them, thank you very much), so she’d probably even pass a lie detector test.

    Unfortunately NPD is pretty much incurable, even with drugs. Slimy creatures that they are, we may never know the truth.

    Hey, since drugs won’t work on her, how about we all pitch in and send her to the Scilon Spa for a sec check? She could get the McPherson Special!

    Comment by Moses — September 8, 2008 @ 7:30 pm

 

18. Cindy and George have had plently of time to come to terms with what Casey did. noew they must face facts and stop the cover up,, or face charges them selves.

    Could the chloriform actually been used by George or Cindy to clean the car ?

    Casey planned this murder IMO and may not have use the drug to kill Caylee.

    Comment by kookie — September 8, 2008 @ 7:30 pm

 

19. Sorry did anyone else here about how she came running out of her meeting with her case worker, ran through the media and jumped up in the air to give her brother a high five and big smile and hug in the parking lot? Has anyone else heard that? I just read this here:

    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/09/a-high-five-in.html

    Comment by Liz — September 8, 2008 @ 7:34 pm

 

20. I read somewhere that, there was a cleaned knife in the car that Casey was driving. Cleaned? I wonder what the deal is with the knife.

    Comment by Connie — September 8, 2008 @ 7:45 pm

 

21. I have said many things in many different posts on this site. In regards to this article what struck me is what innocent person (who is on house arrest) spends 6 hours a day in their attorney’s office?

    Could it possibly be building a DEFENSE?

    Comment by Kimi — September 8, 2008 @ 7:46 pm

 

22. Yeah I read that too, Liz.

    Comment by Connie — September 8, 2008 @ 7:46 pm

 

23. On that note…..
    Why wasn’t Jose spending 6 hours a day with Casey when she was incarcerated?

    Comment by Kimi — September 8, 2008 @ 7:50 pm

 

24. Interesting, Kimi.

    Comment by Connie — September 8, 2008 @ 7:51 pm

 

25. Ewww doesn’t he seem just a little too slimy? Her lawyer gives me a skeevy feeling.

    I think the time with her lawyer is all a BS ploy to convince everyone who is delusional enough to believe her that she is still trying to find Caylee. Baez always says we’ll all understand when they get to court. Maybe in court him and Casey will do big high fives with each other too.

    Comment by Liz — September 8, 2008 @ 8:00 pm

 

26. I “assume” that Cindy & George were forthcoming with the police about this info…in the very beginning???

    Comment by Grantu8 — September 8, 2008 @ 8:02 pm

 

27. All of you arm chair psychologists out there – which DSM are you using in your diagnosis and how are you getting the information you need to make said diagnosis. I am a mental health professional and I have some ideas but it is not possible to diagnose with such tiny bits of info.

    I don’t know what happened to Caylee, and neither do you. You have your ideas and others have their ideas. What I wonder if what kind of impartial jury will the prosecutor be able to get with all these nasty blogs and judgmental news reporters out there.

    Mr. Baez spent a fair amount of time with Casey while in jail – other members of his team visited with her also. In a high profile case there is a lot going on in his office to prepare her defense and to help her deal with the issues.

    I can’t say that the picture shows a smirk – it is a quick moment in time caught on camera without benefit of knowing what was being said or anything else. I actually see a grimace.

    As for the Anthony’s – what one of you could deal appropriately all the time with protestors in your yard yelling nasty things and being mean spirited. I think they have done remarkably well keeping their tempers in control. I don’t know I could do so well.

    As for the fight between Casey and Cindy – what young woman living at home with mom and dad hasn’t fought with their parents. My son lived with us for a short while and he and I had words at times. He left several times very angry and probably hurt because we didn’t see things the same. He was mad, he might even have been feeling hateful, he was feeling betrayed – but he didn’t hurt his sons. A fight or argument doesn’t a murderer make.

    The poems and writings of mom and daughter mean little. Something happened – but it certainly doesn’t provide proof of murder.

    Until their is more proof – be reasonable and angry if needed – but leave the accusations to LE.

    Comment by Linn — September 8, 2008 @ 8:16 pm

 

28. I understand the search for Caylee has been called off so places they havent searched can dry up some. Is there alot of water from Hurricane activity there in Orlando? Will these areas possibly be getting more water from the latest Hurricane? Ike, maybe. Hmmm could be a reason to high five I quess, if thats, the thinking.

    Comment by Connie — September 8, 2008 @ 8:17 pm

 

29. From the little I have seen on the internet chloriform is a combo of bleach and chlorine and TRACES were found in the car. Enough to say conclusively they were mixed intentionally to create chloriform and that it was used against anyone? Or could these two chemicals have been present seperately and mixed in the air samples. The car was not in Casey’s posession before it was towed and neither — from her report — was her daughter. In the reports Cindy is now not defending Casey she is saying she will not stop looking and hoping that her grand daughter is alive. Sorry but given one tiny shread of hope that there is even a remote possibility that a child is alive I agree that you follow ALL leads and look for her — not just for her body. Casey’s stories are far fetched and hard to believe but this woman is unreliable in every way so count her out of the equation and get on with searching. If there were UNDISPUTABLE evidence that Caylee is deceased the police would have charged Casey by now! Casey does seem immune to the opinion of the public and possibly is enjoying the chaos and hetred she has drawn down on her parents. She is playing the public to hurt her parents further. I would wonder whether her comment everyone lies everyone dies isn’t a threat against her family. I know I would sleep with one eye open and it isn’t unbelievable that George’s gun was hidden long before this began and for that reason.

    Comment by Deb — September 8, 2008 @ 8:21 pm

 

30. It is true that Cindy might feel guilty, but knowing what they knew about Casey, she should have gone to Child protective services to file complaint as soon as Casey left with her. CPS probably would have took custody of Caylee right away given the fact that Casey had no residence for her to go to.

    Comment by Brenda — September 8, 2008 @ 8:27 pm

 

31. Linn, we don’t need a diagnonsense….only a jury of our peers…I personally am going by the evidence already present…there is alot of proof there that, will convict Casey…already…don’t need to be a psychologists to be on a jury. The poems and writings mean alot and so does the lies, the evidence.

    Comment by Connie — September 8, 2008 @ 8:29 pm

 

32. Wow, it all comes together now. That is one vindictive little twat.

    Comment by Brooke — September 8, 2008 @ 8:44 pm

 

33. What ever happened about the boyfriend Tony’s phone number. Surely if she called him from jail, it was recorded also. Right?

    Comment by J Ramsey — September 8, 2008 @ 8:47 pm

 

34. #27 the mental health professional that posted here, must be reading…quote:

    “all these nasty blogs and judgmental news reporters out there.”

    How else would Linn know that…quote:

    “Mr. Baez spent a fair amount of time with Casey while in jail – other members of his team visited with her also.”

    hmmm???

    Comment by Connie — September 8, 2008 @ 8:57 pm

 

35. Hey Linn,

    It’s people like you that make excuses for scum like this and whether you like it or not we still have the freedom in this country to say what we like- regardless of whether you approve. If you want to give all or none of the Anthony’s the benefit of the doubt- have at it. Me? I think the little girl will not be found alive and her mother is responsible.

    You don’t want any of us to act as “armchair therapist’s”, however, you seem to feel free to practice law without a license with your ignorant comment “If there were UNDISPUTABLE evidence that Caylee is deceased the police would have charged Casey by now!”. How very hypocritical of you, but how very much expected. How do YOU know whether or not they have enough to charge her???? Are you with the prosecutor’s office down there??? (Oh, and the word you want to use is indisputable not undisputable.)

    I’ll also agree with other posters that Casey was indeed smirking, again, whether you personally like it or not. Every time we see her she is smirking. We’ve gotten quite used to it by now. The only thing different about her demeanor seems to be the inappropriate high-five she engaged in today.

    This entire family is beyond dysfunctional and I’ll just go ahead and label Casey a sociopath without a DSM, some whack-job therapist’s blessing, or your permission- thank you very much.

    Comment by chris — September 8, 2008 @ 9:09 pm

 

36. Why don’t Cindy and George ask Baez for the name of a polygrapher he trusts and then, in private, they could ask her just one question that would bring them out of their denial:

    Question: Casey, has someone kidnapped Caylee?

    Simple, I mean how hard can it be. That would help the Anthony’s out I feel. Then if she said “YES” and the test shows deception, they will know the truth once and for all from the horses mouth. If she says “YES” and she was NOT deceptive, then they can carry on their craziness and displaced anger at the media and protestors.

    If it were my daughter who was the last to see my granddaughter, and all of these convulated lies have come forward (and let’s be real Cindy already said her daughter was a liar), I would demand she take a lie detector (I would foot the bill for it myself) just so I knew in my heart of hearts the truth.

    Comment by twinzmama — September 8, 2008 @ 9:14 pm

 

37. Linn I am not from Florida and you are correct I do not have a psychology degree. I am not trying to diagnose Casey. I respect your professional opinion, its too bad that you cannot respect others.

    One thing I failed to mention in all of my posts is I am by profession, a criminal profiler. You have your opinion and everyone else who posts on this site is entitled to have theirs. I work with criminals everyday. Based on my expertise and experience, I believe that Casey knows exactly where her child is. I believe Casey and Cindy’s statements are very telling. You need only know what to look for to read in between the lines. Although I do not care for some of the comments here…I do believe that some of them are right on target.

    To address my comment about Casey spending 6 hours a day in her lawyers office, I stand by my statement. I work in this field. That is unheard of, at least in my part of the country. I have worked countless homicide trials and I have never seen a defendant spend 6 hours a day, 5 days a week (whether they have bonded out or not) tucked away in their lawyers office bringing him brownies and cookies everyday. I find that extremely strange, yet intriguing. Again, that is just my professional opinion, which in the end most likely means nothing at all.

    Why can’t people put together the facts of this case and come to their own conclusions without being called judgmental or nasty? We did not create this sensational and extremely tragic story, nor did the media! This story was created out of Casey’s silence and refusal to cooperate with Law Enforcement in finding her 3 year old daughter. Plain and simple. The facts of this case, along with the evidence; do not suggest Casey Anthony’s innocence. She created this story and frankly I think she is enjoying every minute of it.

    Thanks for your time. Have a great evening.

    Comment by Kimi — September 8, 2008 @ 9:15 pm

 

38. #35 way to go Chris!!!
    A picture is worth a thousand words…like the old saying goes.

    I can imagine what is being said at the time this pic was taken..

    Where is Caylee? Did you kill your daughter? What did you do with Caylee? Why wont you tell where your daughter is and so on and so forth. Cameras are going off and everyone wants to get some answers from Casey?

    And she smiles….

    Don’t have to be a mental health professional to figure it out.

    Comment by Connie — September 8, 2008 @ 9:18 pm

 

39. Just wanted to add, since the polygraph would be held PRIVATELY no one would be aware of the test either way.

    However, if she actually PASSED then the family could bring that information to LE and maybe LE would then resurrect their efforts in the search.

    Wouldn’t that be a win-win for the Anthony family? I mean they would know amongst themselves at least the truth. I don’t think they would be so quick to jump to Casey’s defense if they learned the truth and saw it with “their own eyes” per se.

    Comment by twinzmama — September 8, 2008 @ 9:18 pm

 

40. Wow, good for you, Kimi #37. The criminal profiler on 20/20 also, said that the quote on myspace that Casey wrote also, meant something to him.

    Comment by Connie — September 8, 2008 @ 9:22 pm

 

41. When I found that photo earlier today, I thought to myself…”Wow. Smug much?” She looks like the cat that swallowed the canary. She looks like she’s the only one who knows the secret and she’s enjoying the powah she has over…well, pretty much anyone who has access to a computer all over the world. I didn’t get a chance to capitalize on this thought, however, as I had to do the thing that real moms do…take care of my kids. Because they come first.

    And it isn’t the first time I’ve seen a smug look on Casey’s face. Check this story. You’ll notice that when she’s in jail, she looks like she’s angry and inconvenienced, not sad or upset…when she’s out, she looks smug and arrogant. The high-five today was too much. I would be prostrate on the ground or hospitalized if it were my child missing for this long. I can say without reservation that Dawn would be as well. Being moms, we approach it like moms, and what we as moms might do should the unthinkable happen. And we can both tell you that we would NOT be high-fiving ANYONE unless it was the person responsible for the safe return of our child.

    I had forgotten about Casey’s stealing from her grandparents…now that Dawn has reminded me (this is why it’s good to have two bloggers), the pieces fit together. I am going with the revenge theory against Cindy Anthony, who probably is desperately holding on to the thought that Caylee is still alive. Does NOT excuse Cindy’s actions or words against Tim Miller and others, however. IMO, Cindy is as bad as Casey…look at her MySpace message, full of passive-aggressive statements. If Cindy acts like that, then the apple don’t fall far from the tree…Casey obviously learned manipulation at her mother’s knee.

    And Linn? You don’t know who here has what degree in what field. And we still live in a country that lets us have opinions, and we can even share those opinions…no matter what they are.

    Comment by k — September 8, 2008 @ 9:22 pm

 

42. Linn, it appears others in your field who are probably more quaified do not share your opinion and again DNA does not lie. There is enough evidence now to get a conviction even without her body. And cindys 911 call in the heat of the moment offers lots of ensite on how she felt and that she smelled a dead body in the car. Both Cindy and Caseys my space explain the jeolousy Casey felt about Cindy and Caylees bond. She killed Caylee and i noticed her little smerk on her face in that picture the other day, she does love this attention, she wanted cindys attention so bad now she has it and poor little caylee is dead in a hole somewhere

    Comment by abby — September 8, 2008 @ 9:24 pm

 

43. Linn,

    I respect your profession not your better than the rest of us attitude though. Since you know it all, why don’t you call the Anthony’s and offer your services? I am sure they can use all the help they can get.

    Comment by twinzmama — September 8, 2008 @ 9:27 pm

 

44. LOL, twinzmama #43

    Comment by Connie — September 8, 2008 @ 9:37 pm

 

45. Casey and lee did a high five today….maybe they are glad the search was called off maybe they think the hunt for her body is over and she is home free or maybe they found zanny? Yeah……… they are a joke!

    Comment by abby — September 8, 2008 @ 9:39 pm

 

46. Wow. The smirk is there. I noticed it the day it occurred. It was also there the day she left the jail the first time as well. Not to mention…..who puts their hand on their lawyer’s chest as they are being escorted out of jail? The second time she is released she is again snug in his armpit. Most people do not leave jail in this fashion…….

    As for what Linn said there is alot of truth to what she said. Just like OJ it is going to be very hard to find a jury that isn’t biased. But again this is the fault of the family…..they have kept themselves in the spot light…..

    Comment by Kirstin — September 8, 2008 @ 9:41 pm

 

47. Linn,

    I am trying to see where you are coming from, but to me I can say with 100% certainty that I will never be in the position that the Anthony’s are in. I am a young mother of a 2 year old and I would sell my soul to the devil himself before keeping her whereabouts from any of her grandparents OR aunts, uncles, cousins- any of her family. I feel pity for a lot of people and I try to see things from other’s perspectives but this is one time I cannot. My daughter is a few months younger than Caylee and every time I see or hear something about this and look at my daughter it breaks me up. I can’t imagine doing something to hurt her or even going a day without seeing her face and hearing her voice. I CAN NOT feel pity for Casey Anthony. Do I think she’s screwed up? Absolutely and I think she knows she screwed up but I don’t think the gravity of what she has done has hit her yet and I don’t know if I ever will. I do however know, that if either one of my children was missing I would not be out “looking” on my own getting trashed and going to clubs. I dont even do that know and I know where both of my kids are. I’m a young mother too, I know it’s hard. I am raising 2 kids, working full time, and going to school full time. It’s hard but kids aren’t supposed to be easy and being a parent isn’t a full time job. So I guess maybe my situation makes it hard for me to understand why it was SO hard for Casey to be a mom and a 22 year old. Maybe that’s why she makes me so sick to my stomach, I don’t know. But maybe a lot of us have been in those shoes or have kids and just need somewhere to go and vent our frustrations after seeing this beautiful child on the news every day with a smug mom who could give a sh*t less. And I have done a lot of work that involves the legal system in my course of study and here in Philly 6 hours a day 5 days a week in or out of jail is an astronomical amount of time to spend with your defense attorney. It doesn’t seem reasonable at all.

    Comment by Liz — September 8, 2008 @ 9:46 pm

 

48. can anybody tell me where the video of the high five is?

    Comment by Kirstin — September 8, 2008 @ 9:50 pm

 

49. Liz-

    I agree with you wholeheartedly. How can any mom not be angry and sick to her stomach? I cry when I look at pictures of this beautiful little angel. I look at my own daughtere and I am horrified by the thought that something awful could happen to her. You have children and they are now your life.

    Why isn’t Cindy angry at Casey?

    I think we should not give her anymore attention and then she will give info to be back on center stage….

    Comment by Kirstin — September 8, 2008 @ 9:55 pm

 

50. What does the group think about the theory that GrandPa may have fathered Caylee, and that Cindy knows it, and Casey is holding that over all of them??

    Comment by Sally P — September 8, 2008 @ 10:15 pm

 

51. I am a chemist so let me add my two cents here about the chloroform because people seem to have questions about it.

    Chloroform is NOT a combo of bleach and chlorine. Bleach CONTAINS chlorine, and adding more chlorine to normal bleach would definitely not create chloroform. Chloroform is a carbon with three chlorides attached to it and it does not just occur by mixing two chemicals. You may get a little bit of chloroform if you mix it with an organic chemical but even if you do it would be mixed in with a bunch of other biproducts. You basically have to heat your mixture to like, 900 deg. F and then distill it to separate out the chloroform.

    It evaporates pretty quickly so that could explain why there would only be a trace amount left.

    I suppose you technically could use it to clean something but it would be beyond stupid to do so. It’s not like you can just walk to the store and pick some up, you have to order it through a chemical supplier. Plus it is a carcinogen so unless you want to get cancer you need to take lots of safety precautions. It also harms your liver. If you wanted something clean, it would be ludicrously easier and smarter to use something else.

    Long story short, if they find chloroform in the car it means somebody put it there on purpose!!!

    Comment by tiana — September 8, 2008 @ 10:24 pm

 

52. I’m still holding on to a glimmer of hope that Caylee is still alive.

    Let’s just say that despite Casey’s lies, stealing, lack of obvious emotion, etc., Caylee is, in fact, alive. With that happy outcome I think looking back on all the *really* horrible comments (not necessarily here but throughout the *permanent* internet) would be so sad.

    Every time new details are released, I feel like I have a new puzzle piece but I hesitate to post my theories, especially any negative ones. I know that things seem so apparent but I don’t know all the facts and I’m no one to pass judgement.

    My point is, I think I learned a lot from the JonBenet Ramsey case. Many people accused her mother but, in the end, she was innocent.

    I have faith that justice will prevail in this case.

    **I know. So why am I saying anything at all? I spend a lot of time searching for updates on blogs and I hardly ever comment.

    Comment by jas — September 8, 2008 @ 10:36 pm

 

53. What throws every one off is the dna evidence reports that show the hair either is Casey’s or Caylee’s. Which it had a death ring around it. So it has to be Caylee’s because Casey is alive.
    Myself I have thought that George is holding something back he don’t want out. You never know with this family…nothing adds up too much…except the evidence and the lies.

    Comment by Connie — September 8, 2008 @ 10:43 pm

 

54. Jas, I agree that the JonBenet story really did teach us a valuable lesson in jumping to conclusions, but the DNA evidence, the behavior, the lies from the mother in this case and the utterly bizarre reaction to losing one’s child from Casey Anthony is such a dramatic contrast from the behavior of JonBenet’s parents that they two really can’t be compared when you get down to the facts.

    Sometimes 2+2 = 4. And in this case, I think what we see, and feel is the truth, is in fact, the truth. Time will prove us right or wrong, but I would not put myself out there unless I felt pretty sure I was on the right track. No one wants to be responsible for convicting an innocent person, even in the court of public opinion.

    I respect your views though, and that’s why the really off-topic and degrading sexual comments get deleted. I’d rather we focus on what we do KNOW and make the best conclusions from there, rather than what we have no idea about. I don’t care if Casey was not chaste, all I know is she has not acted like a caring mother and that’s NOT cool.

    Comment by D — September 8, 2008 @ 10:46 pm

 

55. D—well said!!!

    Comment by twinzmama — September 8, 2008 @ 10:59 pm

 

56. Below I have posted characteristics of Antisocial Personality Disorder. I have posted this information before on this site. I am not saying that Casey Anthony has this disorder, however, there are many facts that we do know about Casey that seem to me to at least point to it being a possibility. Fact:
    Caylee Anthony a three year old child is missing.
    Fact: Casey Anthony was the last person with the child.
    Fact: Casey Anthony never reported the child missing
    Fact: Casey Anthony goes out partying many nights since Caylee has been seen. There are photographs
    posted on the internet and corroborating statements
    to verify this
    Fact: Casey Anthony has stolen from her mother
    Fact: Casey Anthony has stolen from her grandparents
    Fact: Casey Anthony has stolen from her friends one of which was kind enough to lend her a car and who was in essence herself unable to afford an apartment
    and lived with an ex-boyfriend of Casey’s
    Fact: All of Casey Anthonys friends have given statements saying she was a habitual liar.
    Fact: Cindy Anthony warns Caseys friends to stay away
    from her as she is in Cindys words a sociopath,
    liar and thief.
    Fact: Casey Anthony’s “affect” is not normal. She shows very little emotion when confronted with her daughters disapperance. Sometimes she laughs in- appropriately according to the police that interviewed her. Today she and her brother “high-fived” each other after they made it through the line of reporters. (makes you wonder about the brother)
    Fact: Police report everything Casey Anthony has told them is a lie.
    I dont think its unfair to use your common sense regarding the above facts to come to a conclusion
    about Casey Anthony. The above facts can support the conclusion that Casey Anthony is a disturbed personality who in all probability has harmed her daughter. That doesnt mean she is crazy or doesnt know right from wrong. She does – but for whatever reason whether its “nature or nurture” she doesnt
    feel the same things other people feel. She is only
    concerned with herself and every situation that comes up has to be to her advantage or she doesnt co-operate. At this point, there is no “advantage”
    for her to talk. Maybe if she were charged with
    capital murder (yes they have the death penalty in Florida) that might change, but I doubt that will happen soon if at all. The police will not charge her unless they have a solid case -and for now, I dont believe that they think they have enough. Maybe
    with more forensic evidence down the road we might see it, but not right now.

    Characteristics of people with antisocial personality disorder may include:

    Persistent lying or stealing
    Recurring difficulties with the law
    Tendency to violate the rights and boundaries of others
    Substance abuse
    Aggressive, often violent behavior; prone to getting involved in fights
    A persistent agitated or depressed feeling (dysphoria)
    Inability to tolerate boredom
    Disregard for the safety of self or others
    A childhood diagnosis of conduct disorders – this is not a symptom but “a history of”
    Lack of remorse, related to hurting others
    Superficial charm
    Impulsiveness
    A sense of extreme entitlement
    Inability to make or keep friends
    Recklessness, impulsivity[5][6]
    People with a diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder often experience difficulties with authority figures

    Comment by Elaine — September 8, 2008 @ 11:10 pm

 

57. True, D. These two cases really can’t be compared. I merely refer to that lesson learned when I decide to post a comment .

    Also, I really think Casey was a victim of molestation. Either at the hands of her father, or someone else, since she was young. And… she’s a Pisces. That may not mean much to anyone else but *to me* that says a lot about how she copes. In no way do I mean that all Pisces are nutz ( me = Pisces ).

    Comment by jas — September 8, 2008 @ 11:16 pm

 

58. [...] a companion to Dawn’s excellent story below, I offer you a photo and video of the high-fiving incident between Casey Anthony and her [...]

    Pingback by GlossLip » Casey Anthony High-Fives Brother As Caylee Still Missing, Presumed Dead — September 8, 2008 @ 11:18 pm

 

59. Elaine–
    Thanks for the information, I would say Casey does have most of these characteristics.

    Comment by Connie — September 8, 2008 @ 11:22 pm

 

60. Chris,
    >>>>“If there were UNDISPUTABLE evidence that Caylee is deceased the police would have charged Casey by now!”. How very hypocritical of you, but how very much expected. How do YOU know whether or not they have enough to charge her???? Are you with the prosecutor’s office down there??? (Oh, and the word you want to use is indisputable not undisputable.)<<<<

    You accuse me of this statement but it wasn’t made by me – this is why I think you and so many others are way out of line. You get things all mixed up and then make them true. It doesn’t work that way in life or in the legal world.

    Comment by Linn — September 8, 2008 @ 11:34 pm

 

61. >>>>CPS probably would have took custody of Caylee right away given the fact that Casey had no residence for her to go to<<<<

    No, they have to have cause to remove a child and homelessness, unless there is an imminent danger is not reason to remove a child. There must be imminent danger – if a mom and her child leave to stay with a friend or camp or stay in a shelter there is not imminent danger. Child protection can not act just on what might happen or that someone thinks the mom is not as bonded as the grandmother. Heaven help many many families if your idea of CP taking children for just any ol’ call comes to be reality.

    Comment by Linn — September 8, 2008 @ 11:39 pm

 

62. Linn–

    This is what Casey has done…

    “You get things all mixed up and then make them true. It doesn’t work that way in life or in the legal world.”

    Comment by Connie — September 8, 2008 @ 11:47 pm

 

63. Why hasn’t anyone picked up on the fact that Cindy Anthony lied right from the start. This is concerning her myspace story. During Caseys bond hearing Cindy was on the stand and was asked “who set up the myspace page to help get the word out” Cindy answered “Casey did” I don’t have a clue how to do anything on myspace, I can’t even upload a photo!!!!! This is not her exact words but find the video of the bond hearing and listen to Cindys words, according to her she didn’t no nothing or could do nothing on myspace, then how in the hell did she write on her own myspace page weeks prior to the bond hearing? July 3rd she didn’t have a problem figuring out how to do something on myspace. Why haven’t police asked the Anthony’s to prove that the fuel gauge in the car Casey was driving was “broken”, Cindy said that on national tv when the theft of the gas cans was brought forward. During the same interview within minutes Cindy said “but we had it fixed since then”. Why haven’t they been told prove it, prove the bad gauge and prove that it was repaired. Who done the repair, who paid for it? They have lied from the start over and over again. They are doing more than standing by their daughter, they know more than they are saying. Sorry for the long post but my God why can’t LE put these “grandparents” in front of a grand jury have them prove all the crap that they are saying. Have Cindy prove the phone calls, she says she has documented, prove that these people who have been calling in sightings nationwide really exist. If they do exist why in the hell don’t they call their local law inforcement and say hey I’m in Dallas at this address I’m looking at the little girl from Florida who was kidnapped please hurry!!!! They all need locked up.

    Comment by J D — September 9, 2008 @ 12:03 am

 

64. Gosh, it amazes me how many of you insist that you have a right to your opinion and to stating it – and then go on to be angry at me for having mine. Hmmm, you all remind me of Nancy Grace – talk about someone who wants attention and has to be right.

    I agree that Casey has many attributes of anti-social personality disorder and other disorders – but, we don’t have all the facts or the history to state it as true.

    I still think that some are getting so worked up about this that they are not considering all possibilities and that takes the emphasis off of Caylee. Until there is a body, I believe that all avenues need to be looked at. I am from the West – and was very involved in the Smart case – LE quit looking and wow!! she appeared in a public place with her kidnappers. We need to learn from history.

    As for the high 5 today – I think it was a high 5 for getting through the gauntlet; childish, immature, but not necessarily a celebration of happiness that the search was called off. They knew that way before they left home. This is the kind of jump to conclusions that creates mass hysteria.

    As for all the sexual accusations – there are some really sick minds out there and I don’t see that it is helping anything. There is no evidence that Casey was molested (and I have worked with many molested women), there is no evidence that Mr. Baez is doing anything wrong with Casey. Sure it might be unusual that the defendant be in the office so much – anyone consider that he may be getting her in there for her own safety and mental health (as in to provide her with a safety net and a safe place that all the protestors and news media are not allowed.) I have seen defense attorneys spend a lot of time with clients and I have seen them help protect their client or put them in a position where there is less chance they will say something to the media or others that is harmful. Mr. Baez may be providing her with that safety net to keep her from losing her cool and going out and saying things that would be miss-quoted, mistaken, or just plain miss interrupted.

    I totally agree that Casey is a liar and that she has problems – I don’t see her parents as being as bad as many of you do. I just prefer to remain open minded until I have all the facts in. Then I can make a good decision and base it on all the information.

    That is not meant to sound holier than thou – or a put down – or even saying you have to believe as I do. I have one opinion, you have another, and hopefully sharing ideas can somehow help someone somewhere.

    Comment by Linn — September 9, 2008 @ 12:06 am

 

65. >>>>Why haven’t police asked the Anthony’s to prove that the fuel gauge in the car Casey was driving was “broken”, <<<<

    Because it has absolutely nothing to do with anything at this point in time. There are no charges pending for the theft of the gas cans.
    What good would come from the police requiring proof of every statement and idea.

    BTW – it is my understanding from news reports that LE in other areas have been called regarding sightings. What is being done with that is not getting the attention that all the other is getting. Why, I wonder?? Maybe because it doesn’t get the ratings?
    Maybe because LE isn’t doing their job?? Maybe because there isn’t a good sense of where to look after the sighting?? I don’t know why – but there are lots and lots of possibilities.

    What does it hurt to try to look at all sides and at all explanations? That is what I was taught at home and in school – be open minded, search for all the information, don’t make a judgement until you have all the information, and still look at all sides before you jump to a conclusion. That has kept me able to really discover the truth more often than not.

    Comment by Linn — September 9, 2008 @ 12:15 am

 

66. Linn: Don’t say that everyone is angry with you for sharing your opinions…because while some might be, others are not. You see, this is still a free country, and while our opinions might not mesh totally that doesn’t mean that you are not entitled to your opinion.

    I don’t necessarily agree with what you say. However, it’s your opinion, and as far as I know nobody is going to arrest you for it. So don’t lump everyone in one basket and assume everyone is angry with you, just as you don’t want people assuming Casey is guilty.

    Comment by k — September 9, 2008 @ 12:17 am

 

67. “Can some one explain why, oh, WHY in the above picture does Casey have that big self satisfied smile on her face????”

    “LaSal I thought the same thing when I saw this photo a few days ago. Casey is really getting off on this, she thinks she is a celeb.”

    Yes, but eventually, hopefully, she will get tired of all this sitting, bored, not out partying like I wanna stuff is going to get her to throw a tantrum. And I hope the media is there to report it if she does. That’s probably why she’s going to the atty’s office everyday. To stay out of the house she raised her daughter in…the truth probably is, she’d CRACK! They don’t want that a happenin! So, Baez has a leash on her to make sure she does what she’s supposed to. And if she throws a fit, he can handle it right there. Behind closed doors.

    Comment by acwilliams — September 9, 2008 @ 12:32 am

 

68. I agree, why in the picture above why is she smiling?
    Another thing that bothers me several pictures Ive seen she is wearing her big white sun glasses, as if she was some big movie star. She is NOT!!!!

    Comment by Alice — September 9, 2008 @ 12:38 am

 

69. Hi,
    I live very far from Florida. I live in Singapore but caught this on 2 of our cable news channels when the news broke and have been following this case with blogs, google alerts, Nancy Grace, Fox 75……………

    I don’t want to get into a discussion or dispute but was just wondering, based on the photos I’ve seen and all the blogs I’ve read, could it be possible that there’s a big story behind this. Could Casey have ‘planned’ this with someone else? I mean, is it possible that Caylee might really be alive and with someone else and Casey did this to get back at her Mum because she was envious of her Mum’s relationship with Caylee? Could her ‘plot’ taken a twist and the person she handed Caylee to now refuses to return her or she really didn’t get the full details of the person she left Caylee with? All this is based on “assumption” but I have a feeling her latest bailor could be someone she might have worked with at Universal Studios (before she got fired in 2006) and then they’re going on to make a movie of this. I mean her parents might be in on it too. Just a hunch.

    Many things the family has done just don’t seem to jive. Her Mum’s a nurse and Dad’s an ex-cop. The cast could be bigger than Ben-Hur.

    This story is all consuming and whilst I do pray that Caylee is still alive and my theory might hold some water, at the back of my head, I feel too she might be dead.

    I don’t want to upset anybody or anything and if I’ve said anything out of line – my apologies in advance.
    This is just another angle that I’m exploring – as a total outsider.

    Comment by Belinda Lee — September 9, 2008 @ 12:43 am

 

70. Tiana,
    I stand corrected about the chloroform I had searched quickly and I am certainly NOT a chemist so your wisdom on the subject is appreciated. So no way this particular chemical got there by accident. If the car was sitting for so long would they still be able to find a significant amount of it?

    To all — I think it’s a quote from Thomas Jefferson — I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it. — There isn’t a person posting here that does not want the same outcome — the answer to where is Caylee.

    As for is Casey a true sociopath — doesn’t matter really I only hope she doesn’t get off on an insanity plea.

    I would hope those Childrens services workers were there to pursue whatever further charges they can apply to keep her locked up.

    Anyone know the laws? I was shocked to read she was talking to a 12 year old on line — and why isn’t she then back in jail for violating her bail conditions!! I am sure with child neglect charges she can’t have contact — that’s contact! I thought I read she couldn’t use the phone or the internet either. Wonder if her time at the lawyers office is spent making calls etc.

    charge her — throw her ass in jail and take away her celeb status. can’t they stop her from having contact with her parents while she is in jail if the police suspect she may hinder the investigation?

    Comment by Deb — September 9, 2008 @ 12:54 am

 

71. LINN: Are you really Cindy??? You sound just like her ! If Casey’s parents would stop acting like they believe her, she would start changing her stoy and we might get someplace !! Who agrees??

    Comment by Holly — September 9, 2008 @ 12:56 am

 

72. Gas Gauge, It would prove that George and Cindy are liars, it would prove covering up for their daughter wouldn’t it? Neither George nor Cindy asked to see Caylee during this broken gas gauge dilemma? They were more concerned with gas cans? If it wasn’t broken then what did Casey use the gas on? If it was broken why not borrow or steal 20 bucks from friends or family to gas up, instead of breaking a lock on your parents shed and stealing gas cans? During the tv interview when the subject of the stolen gas was brought up George turned away from the camera and stared at the floor, Cindy mumbled broke, out well fixed, explain. The point is she studderd and stammered for two minutes over the gas cans and gas gauge and a blind person could tell she was lying just by listening to her trying to explain it all.
    Their body language during that interview spoke volumes to me. So I’m wondering when pour George popped the trunk, just what did he see? Stolen gas cans and what else? I wonder what he smelled?

    Comment by J D — September 9, 2008 @ 1:01 am

 

73. 71# I second that Holly!!!

    Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 1:04 am

 

74. Casey may have taken the gas cans to drive around in remote areas to find a place to take Caylee. If she had a dead body in her car she sure wouldn’t want to run out of gas before she could get rid of it!!! Why would she need so much gas?

    Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 1:16 am

 

75. Connie yes, thank you. I’m so ticked off by this whole thing that I’m probably hard to understand. The interview was on the record with Greta Van Susteren. Watch the interview out in the yard, Cindy was asked about the shed being broken into and she avoids the question. Later on in the house George opens up for the first time and tells the story of finding the cans of gas in Caseys car, then out of the blue George clams up, he knows he’s said to much so Cindy jumps in studdering and stammering and trying to explain that it wasn’t a big deal. The gauge was broken but repaired, no big deal. It was obvious to me at that very moment that the “grandparents” were lying for Casey.

    Comment by J D — September 9, 2008 @ 2:21 am

 

76. Holly: I was thinking the same thing, Casey feels secure in her lie cause Mom and Pop act like they believe her. They really need to shake things up.

    Comment by Barb — September 9, 2008 @ 3:34 am

 

77. Casey has smiled, waved, high-fived and acted as if she doesnt have a care in the world since day 1. LOOK AT ME!! LOOK AT ME!! How is she able to wear a Caylee t-shirt?
    Now she seems to think she is famous and in charge…i can hear her now…i’m not telling…i’m not telling..ha ha mommy ha ha daddy….i know where Caylee is but i’m not telling!!

    I hope the police have lots more evidence(they mentioned something on that 20/20 special about saving info for the trial where it will mean something) I want to see her face when she goes away to jail for a long long time. I believe the family knows more than they are saying, IMO if they are involved, they need to pay also.

    Comment by star — September 9, 2008 @ 7:58 am

 

78. I think everyone wants to believe that Casey is just playing a childish game with her mom as far as taking Caylee away from her. Cant you hear Casey: she is mine and i can do what i want with her and/or ha ha…you cant have her!! IMO most of us know that Caylee is dead and Casey knows what happen and where she is. The only thing is we cant figure out WHY Casey acts like she is the victim. Caylee was kidnapped? George tells us the kidnappers are being watched? Cindy tells us there is a reason Casey cant talk? Yea she cant talk, cause then she would admit she was guilty and would go to jail for a long long time!! So Casey thinks if she stays quiet and smiles and waves and wears her Caylee t-shirt things will be fine. Well, there are a few problems, the decomp hits in the car and yard, the chloroform in the car, the lack of emotion, the shovel, and NO CAYLEE.
    Maybe it started as a game when she left that day. Neighbors say there was a big fight at the Anthony house that weekend. Then George sees Casey and Caylee leave with backpacks?(casey going to a job that she didnt have and Caylee going to a nanny that doesnt exist?) Didnt he think this was odd? Did he call Cindy and tell her? Didnt Cindy and George think it was strange that they didnt come back? Cindy calls Casey(so she knows WHERE she was staying?) various times and is told she cant talk to Caylee because she is with the nanny, she is sleeping, she is at the beach? Didnt she think this was strange? Did Cindy ever try to check on Caylee? Could she have called police then and said i had a big fight with my daughter and i believe my grand daughter might be in danger? They cant even get the last time they saw Caylee right. In one video Cindy calls Caylee “case”? IMO there is something wrong with this whole family. Cindy should of let Casey put Caylee up for adoption. The whole world would not be upset over another missing and probably dead innocent child.

    Comment by star — September 9, 2008 @ 8:25 am

 

79. Casey has been pulling the strings in this family all her life. It’s disgusting how everyone is so intent on not rocking her boat even to the point of pretending there is nothing wrong with her conduct and insisting there is no evidence of foul play. Her brother coos on the phone in those jailhouse conversations calling her “darling” and assuring ther that they are all on her side. Even her attorney treats her like a hothouse flower. For someone who doesn’t want to talk about the case, she manages to spend six to seven hours with her attorney? Puhleez!! She’s probably giving him more that cookies and brownies in his office. If Casey did have any credible information that would lead to finding Caylee alive, why would it be kept secret? Jose Baez seems to have fallen under Casey’s spell, too. He says there are “compelling reasons” for Casey to not say anything to help solve this case and those will be brought out in court. This is simply stonewalling. He’s probably wondering how the heck he’s going to pull this rabbit out of a hat. Last night on Nancy Grace I heard that Casey is playing coy with her surveillance guy, Mr. Dick (no pun intended). He described her as very talkative and upbeat(!!). She told him that she now remembers taking Caylee to that park where she met up with Zenaida who was with some other children. Zenaida took Caylee and another person handed Casey “a script” she is to follow before they all drove off in an SUV. She’s never going to stop lying. Her trump card now is Caylee’s remains. There are many murderers who withhold the location of their victims’ remains just because that seems to be the only control they have left.

    Comment by Ginger — September 9, 2008 @ 8:50 am

 

80. Without ranting and raving, I’ll state very simply what I think.
    1.Unfortunately, I believe that little Caylee is dead through the hands of her own mother… whether “accidental” or pre-meditated, Casey is still ultimately to blame!
    2.I sympathize with both Cindy and George who I think have some sort of “blind faith” that their own daughter could never be capable of such heinous deeds. Call it denial, but which parent among us would want to believe such things of our own child, even though there is proof to the contrary? Most parents would go to their death protecting and defending their child!
    3. Cindy must be laden with guilt over the fighting and threats to kick Casey out of the house…. probably saying to herself over and over ” if I hadn’t said this or done that, Caylee would would be here safe with me”.
    4. The truth may never be known about what really happened to Caylee, but Casey will never help authorities until there is something in it for her. Florida does support the death penalty for certain murder convictions, so maybe if Casey were placed in a position of a possible death penalty, she’d want to defend herself.
    To all concerned: try to stay focused on Caylee, bring justice against Casey, and find a little empathy as a parent towards Cindy and George.

    Comment by Sera — September 9, 2008 @ 8:58 am

 

81. Linn, we all know there is a dead body! There is dna proof a DEAD BODY was in caseys trunk! Caylees is missing and Casey has done nothing but lie about everything………. so add it up! if the body is not caylees, who is it?? and were did it go?? who ever left it in caseys trunk……. came back and got it??maybe it walked off? oh maybe….. the dead body was the nanny? your as blind as Cindy

    Comment by abby — September 9, 2008 @ 9:15 am

 

82. I am still uncertain about this extraodinary case. Most, if not all of the evidence does point to Casey killing her daughter. I also try to look at things from a different perspective. Maybe Casey shows no emotion for her missing daughter because she knows where she is, and she knows she’s not in danger. Maybe Casey didn’t bring Caylee home to Cindy and George to get “punish” them, and it the whole story has spun out of control. Or….maybe Caylee is no longer with us, but her mother feels she gave Caylee a proper burial. Casey is the only person who knows the truth. We can all speak our minds and give our opinions, but there’s really nothing to do but wait…..

    Comment by Cj — September 9, 2008 @ 9:26 am

 

83. Photos the Anthony family does NOT want you to see! :

    http://www.freewebs.com/equalizeyou/apps/photos/album.jsp?albumID=1958221

    (scroll 1/2 way down)

    Some of these photos are right after reporting Caylee missing, many are prior to it…This is the real Casey Anthony…A self-centered party whore, who couldn’t care any less about her beautiful daughter.

    Nine key personality traits in determining a psychopath: (courtesy of wikipedia)

    1-Glibness / superficial charm
    2-Grandiose sense of self-worth
    3-Pathological lying
    4-Cunning / manipulative
    5-Lack of remorse or guilt
    6-Shallow
    7-Callous / lack of empathy
    8-Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
    9-Promiscuous sexual behavior

    = Casey Anthony

    Comment by shannon — September 9, 2008 @ 9:43 am

 

84. She has the big fat smile on her face because it is part of her sickness. She loves this attention. They don’t care if it’s good or bad attention. It’s like a high for them. She is probably thinking about how much money she will make for her life story. Caylee is a distant memory for her. She feels free now. Don’t worry, she’ll get caught and I’ll bet it will be by a family member who can no longer stand by and let Casey get away with murder.

    Comment by Elaine — September 9, 2008 @ 9:46 am

 

85. First I’d like to say that I am a grandmother of 7 beautiful children.
    I have been following this sad ,sad story of this beautiful baby and her family who are full of lies.
    If you listen to the tapes when grandmother, Cindy, is on the phone calling the police to report Caylee missing you can hear Casey in the back-groud begging her mother to give her one more day to find Caylee…. Cindy’s responce was …” I’ve given you a month to find her, I’m not giving you another day”
    Why would Cindy say “I gave you a month to find her”? To me , that seems that Cindy also knew that her grandchild was missing a month.I believe that Cindy truly loved her granddaughter and was very concerned for her .
    Just a few weeks ago one of my young grandaughters hid under a bed. We could not find her and she didn’t answer when we called her name. My son,(her dad who is also a police officer)actually turned white as fear swept over him that his daughter was missing. The look on his face was something that will be in my memory for the rest of my life and something I never want to see again. I thought he was going to have a heart attack right then and there. Not sure if she slipped out of the house, he ran out side and was screaming her name in hopes of hearing her voice answer back… but all was silent. He immediatly called in to his police dept. that his child was missing
    One of my grandsons found her hiding under the bed .
    How long was she missing? About 5 minutes!
    I can not see how this so called mother ,Casey Anthony can let a month pass without calling for help to help find her missing child let alone go out partying and drinking.. Actually she never called the police to report her daughter missing and probably never would have….. Remember it was Casey’s mom, Cindy who called the police to report Caylee missing and that was only AFTER Cindy had called the police to report that she FOUND the family car that was reported stolen earlier to the police. Cindy told them something was WRONG because the car smelled like a dead BODY was in it. Casey was out partying, drinking and going to her hot body contests … all while her child was missing?
    This is not normal…. UNLESS she no longer had to worry where her daughter was because she knew where she was and had no reason to worry about her safty anymore.
    Just like she wrote….first line “The worst of worst days”…..and then “everyone lies… everyone dies” as to minimize the whole thing. “everyone lies”? in those 2 words she wrote, she minimizing her lies about Caylee’s whereabouts… and “everyone dies” she is minimizing the death of her daughter. as if to say… its ok to lie cause everyone lies…. and heck we all will die someday anyway.
    Before Caylee went missing Casey stole her grandparents money and we are not talking about a few dollars… she stole their whole savings… Then steals her mothers credit cards and cash and the family car. She stole her friends checks and uses them.
    What did she do with all this money ? … It sure wasn’t spent on gas for the car… she stole that too from a neighbor. Maybe that cloriform was super expensive.
    It would not surprise me if she admits to having a drug problem.
    If they ever find where Casey dumped and buried Caylee’s body she will just blame the baby’s death on the nanny she claims took her.
    I was also wondering why didn’t the police impound the car? WHY ? Was it because he was a retired cop? It should have been impounded as soon as it was inspected and found evidence. Why was it left at their house? So they can destroy what ever evidence and tamper with that evidence. REMEMBER… her step dad is a retired police officer and knows all the loop holes so why did he even touch that car?
    With his police training he knows that you don’t fix , repair or clean things that are crime scene evidence. Why did Cindy immediatly wash the pair of soiled pants she found in the car? She knew her granddaughter was missing and she knew that there was a dead body in that car just like she told the police when she called to tell them that something was wrong. She is a RN and knows the smell of a dead body!!! That is why she told them it smelled like a DEAD BODY. Notice the word…”BODY” Why not a rotting pizza or rotting food or dirty diapers… or even a dead animal… no she says “BODY” because a decomposing human body has a smell all it’s own and Cindy knows that smell being an RN.
    Then she washed the pants beacuse she knew that those pants were in contact with that dead body.
    With her being an RN and her husband a retired police officer and your grandaughter missing you know that you do not touch evidence … unless you are covering up and protecting the person who commited the crime.
    Cindy and George are professional peolpe and it isn’t hard to figure out that Caylee is dead and I think they know she is dead but are now protecting and supporting their daughter in hopes that she will tell then where she hid and buried the body… the same dead body that Cindy told the police she smelled in their car … The body of that beautiful little girl named and known as Caylee Marie Anthony.

    Comment by gail — September 9, 2008 @ 9:55 am

 

86. The only other explanation I can think of would be that, Casey sold Caylee to some child sex ring or pediphilia for money and he/they took off with her. Nothing else makes sense unless Caylee is dead my the hand of her own mother. I think she is dead.

    Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 10:16 am

 

87. Elaine #84
    “Don’t worry, she’ll get caught and I’ll bet it will be by a family member who can no longer stand by and let Casey get away with murder.”

    I think so too, I have read that, George is real quite all the time with people he has been around, looks like he is holding something back. Cindy well, she is in total denial.

    Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 10:39 am

 

88. Agree with #17, NPD, premeditated, without conscience, quick disassociation with Caylee (removal of pictures), etc.

    Casey will not confess. In her mind she has justified everything. However, if Cindy angers her by saying she will take custody of Caylee if alive, then Casey will probably tell Cindy she will never get Caylee because she is dead. Casey will not give the location of Caylee’s remains.

    Comment by Sera — September 9, 2008 @ 10:41 am

 

89. I think the Jonbenet comparison is interesting, but misguided. Just because the parents were “exonerated” doesn’t mean they aren’t guilty. It means there wasn’t enough evidence to convict them. They had no choice but to apologize. It was an empty victory.

    In my mind, and in the minds of the police and millions of Americans, the Ramseys are guilty or, at the very least, complicit.

    Comment by Jessica — September 9, 2008 @ 10:47 am

 

90. There is so much evidence against Casey. Circumstantial and physical (DNA) I do not know what LE is waiting for. Scott Peterson was arrested with no evidence other than Amber Frey and his attitude and lies. NO – ZERO Physical evidence. What is the difference here? He immediatly reported her missing and did go to the vigils for what that was worth. He went on TV. Casey has so much more against her. What is the wait.????
    Some experts say there is no evidence. So many people have been convicted on FAR LESS evidence. This case is making me sick. I cannot believe there is no murder charge. Things will calm down for the weird family as soon as charges are brought. I hope they are also charged. They are as guilty as she is.

    Comment by wpbgirlie — September 9, 2008 @ 10:50 am

 

91. Jessica – I totally agree with you. The Ramseys —– that situation is not cleared up AT ALL. They just wanted to put it to rest. I never figured out why this was such big news – dna on the pants. So many people touched that child. How does that clear the Ramseys? It was a joke as you say…. glad someone sees it like I do.

    Comment by wpbgirlie — September 9, 2008 @ 10:53 am

 

92. One does not need to be a mental health professional to understand that if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and sounds like a duck….it’s a duck. Casey is a sociopathic liar who is involved with her child’s disspearance/death

    Comment by CindiL — September 9, 2008 @ 10:54 am

 

93. I made a mistake. I thought I was discussing this case with intelligent thoughtful people. Well, that is not the case – Chris mis-quotes me, k tells me not to think that everyone is mad at me when I had stated some of you (some does not equal everyone, k), and others have taken a bit of news and declared it to be much bigger than it was reported. Such as the DNA evidence. No one, in my search of the news, has stated that the hair had a death ring – and all I find says they are not positive it is Caylee’s. The DNA is either not all back or has not been released – much of what has been leaked has been reported as from “deep within the PD” which often (that doesn’t mean always) means that it is from someone who has a tiny bit of info from inside but not the full story.

    Grandma of 7 has so much mis-information it is sad that she is even posting. And last to really make me see this group as being one that isn’t up to really discussing things in an adult and reasonable manner is the posting of a link to photos with no dates, no context, and the most inflammatory commentary I have seen to date.

    I do not know what Casey is all about – and neither do any of you – but that web site is as sick as she is thought to be. People who get their kicks out of seeing the suffering of others are as in need of help as the Anthony family. It is a sad commentary about out society to read this blog and many others out there. Hopefully, but without much hope, I can find a site where people are willing to really look at the evidence (not as reported by the likes of Nancy Grace) and discuss the case in a manner that uses thought and critical thinking.

    Thanks for the experience. I guess if nothing else it can be good for my doctoral dissertation.

    Comment by Linn — September 9, 2008 @ 11:43 am

 

94. Oh, and the chemist left out a lot of interactions that would yield chloroform – methane and chlorine, acetone and chlorine, and others. Also a by-product of some chemicals used to extract DNA. If you want to really know visit with a detective or a chemist.

    And – Ms. Criminal Profiler – your activity here and your statements border seriously on ethical violations. Just something I would consider if I were you.

    Comment by Linn — September 9, 2008 @ 11:49 am

 

95. Well, Linn, I guess that teaches me to try and be civil to certain people. No good deed goes unpunished. You come in here with an attitude and when somebody actually attempts a civilized discussion with you, you take it as an insult. And here I thought “all” meant “all”, so thanks for clearing that up.

    Look, if you are that much above the rest of us peons, feel free to take your toys and go home. We wouldn’t want to contaminate your air.

    Have a nice day.

    Comment by k — September 9, 2008 @ 11:50 am

 

96. Linn, wtf!!!

    Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 11:53 am

 

97. I think Linn needs a mental health professional.

    Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 12:04 pm

 

98. Doesn’t it look like Casey is smiling in this picture, am I the only one that has noticed this, she is loving this. She makes me sick.

    Comment by Pamela — September 9, 2008 @ 12:04 pm

 

99. hey linn… are you related to the anthony’s? sounds like you think this poor little casey is as innocent as her 3 year old. she has done nothing to find her missing daughter but lie to everyone. i am not mis-informed as you state… listen to the 911 calls yourself. on the last call you can hear casey ask her mother why the 911 operator wants to talk to her. she gets on the phone and sounds as if she has no idea what they want to know.
    i know damn well that if my child was suddenly missing the last thing i’d be doing is out getting drunk and lieing to everyone about where the child was. hhuummmm casey got another fan… and one that believes her!!! and she is loving every minute of her fame… i just wonder when will her tears come.

    Comment by gail — September 9, 2008 @ 12:08 pm

 

100. Sounds to me like Linn is either a close member of the Anthony family or Casey (or Cindy) herself! Ah….the wonderful internet …the place where one can be whomever they chose to be.
     Nevertheless, I think that all of the protestors should put their efforts to better use. Protesting isn’t accomplishing a single worthwhile thing. All the crowds do is provoke chaos in what is already a 3 ring circus. Right of Assembly and Freedom of Speech are fine, but do these people have nothing better to do with their time?

     Comment by SG — September 9, 2008 @ 1:16 pm

 

101. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if this all drives Cindy to kill herself, and maybe kill Casey, too. I think that Cindy is the one to be reckoned with, especially if she knows the truth!

     Comment by jay — September 9, 2008 @ 1:29 pm

 

102. Linn, just what are your mental health credentials? There are so many different disciplines in the mental health field. Whats yours? Just curious…

     Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 1:43 pm

 

103. http://www.local6.com/news/17429343/detail.html

     check this out!

     Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 1:58 pm

 

104. could it be possible that casey is playing with law enforcement for attention or some other reason and caylee is hid somewhere…maybe to see how long she can throw them off and keep attention to herself. how could her brother high five her when she may have killed his neice and causing so much pain to their parents.something is weird about this whole scenario. why is she still free and not in jail. so many whys.

     Comment by susan — September 9, 2008 @ 1:58 pm

 

105. Woman Interested In Caylee Anthony Case Takes Trash From Girl’s Home:

     “If (Casey’s) on the computer 24 hours a day, maybe she printed stuff, maybe they threw it away and didn’t shred it,” Lorraine said.

     Lorraine put the trash bag it into the back of her sport utility vehicle before rummaging through it.

     Inside the trash bag was food, a hat Lorraine said she saw Casey Anthony wearing earlier, notes written by Casey Anthony or her brother, Lee Anthony, and letters from all over the county.

     “I think these computer printouts shows that they are paying attention to what other people are saying on the Web, and they are printing, so they’re reading what other people think about them. And other people are speculating about where Caylee’s body is,” Lorraine said.

     Lorraine said she may return later and go through the other trash bags.

     LOl, the Athony’s are not to bright…

     Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 2:04 pm

 

106. Linn,please go back through the case to the first day that Cindy called 911. You know that call in which Cindy told the dispatcher that it smelled like a dead body had been in the car. That was the one and only time Cindy has spoken the truth in this circus! Then the “death smell” became pizza? Go through the case a couple of times and tell me if you still think Cindy and George are victims in this case! They have told as many lies as that inhuman daughter of theirs. The only victim in this whole sick pack of lies is Caylee.

     Comment by J D — September 9, 2008 @ 2:06 pm

 

107. I think that Casey leared her behavior from her mom. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

     I also think the myspace message from Casey was meant for her mom. Reread this and tell me what you think.

     With great power comes great consequences (her mom had alot of power and control over her being). Trust no one….Casey telling her mom that it was obvious that she shouldn’t have been trusted in the first place. Everyone lies….again, telling her mom that it was no big deal that she stole money from her grandparents….everyone dies…..Caylee? It’s almost as if she was minimizng her theft and then saying well for doing this to me, this is what I’ve done to you. Just my thoughts.

     Comment by barb — September 9, 2008 @ 2:19 pm

 

108. Woman Taking Garbage From Anthony Home To Do Own Investigation:

     http://www.wftv.com/news/17429219/detail.html

     Well done Lorriane

     Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 2:23 pm

 

109. This is hilarious…

     http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/09/today-looks-at.html

     “The woman doing her investigation told WESH, “I’m surprised nobody has gone through the trash before.” And she told WFTV, “I think this might lead to clues.” And she told WKMG she had found a pizza. The reporter wondered if it smelled like a dead body. No, the amateur sleuth said.”

     Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 2:37 pm

 

110. Barb I agree, it’s my belief that Casey and Cindy had been playing a sick game of “Caylee loves me more” for God knows how long. The myspace writings tell a sick and twisted story and the “everyone dies” from Casey is a twisted confession to her mother. The myspace writings also prove that Cindy has been lying from the start. During Caseys bond hearing she says she don’t have a clue how to “do things on myspace” but on July 3rd a couple of weeks before her testimony Cindy writes “my Caylee is missing”. I fear that we may never know “the whole truth” in this nightmare and its my belief that the “grandparents” are more than innocent bystanders in this case.

     Comment by J D — September 9, 2008 @ 2:49 pm

 

111. #109: That is totally weird. As if the police do not know what they can and cannot do within the confines of the law, now we have Average Citizen taking the law into their own hands.

     Crazy.

     Comment by k — September 9, 2008 @ 2:55 pm

 

112. A bag of pizza theory: What I would like to know is how did a bunch of flies get in Casey’s car to make so many maggots (pizza full of maggots), if the car was shut up for 12 days? Pizza turns leather like quickly, we all have had a pizza do that. What would attract all those flies to begin with??? Wonder what happen to this bag of pizza? I thought pizza came in a box, unless it is only one piece of the pizza…What Cindy said, speaks volumes…

     “It smells like there was a dead body in the damn car,” Cindy Anthony told a 911 dispatcher in a call to turn in her daughter.

     A detective told prosecutors he smelled it, too.

     “The evidence of decomposition would lead you to believe, would it not, that there is the possibility that this child is no longer alive?” the prosecutor asked Det. Yuri Melich.

     “Yes, that can be concluded,” he said during court room testimony.

     “How do you deal with what they’re saying about in the trunk of the car?” Eyewitness News later asked Cindy Anthony.

     “There was a bag of pizza for like 12 days in the trunk of the car full of maggots. It stunk so bad, you know how hot it’s been,” she said.

     But the Eyewitness News experiment doesn’t support the smelly pizza theory after temperatures in the 90s. After seven days, the moisture was gone from the pizza and it had the consistency of shoe leather. More importantly, you have to get really close to smell anything and, when you do, the smell is pizza.

     Channel 9 managing editor Joel Davis volunteered his car for the experiment.

     “About every other day I’ve taken a look at it. The first day or two, you open the trunk and you have the smell of pizza. But after that, nothing,” he said. “No smell whatsoever.”

     Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 3:17 pm

 

113. Connie, thank you for another great point. “The larvae of flies (maggots) are the most obvious and abundant fauna present on corpses in the early stages of decomposition” http://www.deathonline.net “From the moment of death flies are attracted to bodies”. “Fly eggs hatch often within 24 hours”. If their was maggots in the trunk as Cindy says then that proves their was a decomposing body in the trunk. Flies are attracted to dead bodies not fully cooked pizza. Cooked food does not rot and the hotter it is the faster it dries out and the pizza turns into a frisbee. “One female blowfly can lay 300 eggs at one time” so all it would take is one fly to make contact with the body between the time of death and when the body was placed into the trunk.

     Comment by J D — September 9, 2008 @ 4:36 pm

 

114. Thank you J D for the information and the link.

     Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 4:46 pm

 

115. JD,
     I totally agree with everything you’ve said! I’ve been reading the comments, waiting to see if ANYONE would bring up the obviously (to me, at least) guilty behavior of the parents.
     When I read the mother’s blog posted above, I immediately suspected that she was already involved at the time of its writing. When she writes that Caylee has been taken away from her by jealousy – does she mean that Caylee is missing, or did she, perhaps, already know that Caylee was dead?
     Of course it is only my opinion, but I strongly believe that both parents learned the truth very early on, and have been covering up for their daughter ever since. All 3, and likely the brother as well, should be in prison…or at least being investigated!

     Comment by Estella — September 9, 2008 @ 6:00 pm

 

116. #94 comment, Linn you failed to mention that in order to create chloroform from methane and chlorine you must heat the mixture at 400 to 500 degrees Celsius for the reaction to even begin. Are the Anthonys chemists? Do they have a lab in their shed? I’m all for sharing ideas that make sense but come on now. So was Caylee murdered with a rag soaked in chloroform or was it obtained after the crime and used as a cleaning agent for the trunk? Hopefully it will all come out in the trial.

     Comment by J D — September 9, 2008 @ 6:10 pm

 

117. J D–good point! I think Linn disappeared on us.

     Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 6:20 pm

 

118. Estella, lets hope that every one of them is being investigated from top to bottom. I for one am sick and tired of Cindy Anthony saying on national TV, that if Caylee is “not alive” then Caylee’s death will be on our hands. Is this what innocent people say to those who are trying to help? And if or when Caylees body is found Cindy Anthony will say to the world, see I told you so, you people did this, meaning the police, the media, TES, and the American people. CRAZY IS AS CRAZY DOES.

     Comment by J D — September 9, 2008 @ 6:40 pm

 

119. to exonerate can mean simply to free somebody from blame or guilt: to declare officially that somebody is not to blame or is not guilty of wrongdoing. – Just for she or he who stated that the Ramsey’s had been exonerated but not found not guilty.

     To answer a question posed by someone else – My mental health credentials: I have a Masters of Social Work and a Masters of Counseling. I am working on my Doctorate. I have 18 years experience – 10 in child protection and 8 in corrections. So I have dealt with enough criminals and accused criminals to have a good understanding of the human condition and all. I also have learned from all of this experience that you don’t make a judgement until all the FACTS are in. To do so is not only unethical, it often leads you down the wrong path.

     I am not saying that Casey is innocent – and also not that she is guilty. I am only saying we don’t have all the evidence yet and I, one of many actually, am not ready to pass judgement.

     There are many explanations for each piece of what many of you can evidence – too many to try to point out here. For the people who think that Cindy knows Caylee is dead because of her comment about the smell in the car. My husband just came in the other night and stated, “The garbage can has got to be washed next time it is emptied (we don’t have bags but large cans where I live), it smells like someone died in there. Is there a dead body in my garbage can – NO, has there been – NO. Does it smell awful in the garage because of rotting trash in a hot can that has been sitting in an equally hot garage – yes.

     The pizza experiment was with cooked pizza and you are right – it usually comes in a box and dries up. I rarely order cooked pizza but buy pizza ready to bake – it has raw meat on it and is also in a bag. Just for the heck of it one of my co-workers put a piece of this type of pizza (with sausage and beef on it) in a bag in her son’s car trunk (because his car is not used as he is in Iraq). Yup, it smelled absolutely awful and was full of maggots after 8 days. She didn’t open the trunk at all during that time. Trunks are not air tight, and flies and other insects can get in there if they are drawn by an odor of spoiling food. Try it yourself. Of course the trunk may have already had flies because of a body – I don’t know. I am just using critical thinking skills to evaluate all possibilities.

     I have not been able to find any place that shows that the DNA evidence from the trunk has been released. Only that the hair sample was either Casey’s or Caylee’s and had a root that had some level of decomposition. I can not find, a reliable source, that even states there was a death band on that hair. Just speculation from some pundits.

     Cindy’s writing sounds more to me like a mother and grandmother who is hoping her daughter, who has left with the grand daughter, will read it and see how she is hurting because the daughter will not let her talk to the grand daughter. Gosh, have you ever had a child move cross country and you know you won’t see your grand children very often – you mourn, you go through the grief process. They are not dead but you feel they have been taken away. It is a normal sense of loss.

     Since I do not know all the facts and I do not have adequate information to judge George and Cindy, I will not call them names or suggest they be hurt any more than they already are. They are reacting like parents who are grieving and who don’t know for sure what to believe. Good parents don’t just stop loving their daughter because they think she might have done something or even if they know she did. Good parents have unconditional love for their children and demonstrate that. Are the a bit co-dependent? It appears they might be, but again we need more that a few sound bites to say for sure. The media, I believe, is picking out the sensational to show us – not the full story but what they can play over and over and get the ratings up by getting as many riled up as possible. I have worked enough cases to know that the media is not a good source of information on any crime – and especially on a high profile crime. Not a good source of info for politics either – but that is another story.

     As for our Criminal Profiler. I was at the Federal Court Building; no not in Florida. I live in a Western State and am not related to the Anthony family nor do I know any of them. I have seen people crucified in the media however who turned out to be innocent. I like all the info – and then I will form an educated opinion.

     Okay – our Profiler. I talked to a Criminal Profiler about this case and the statement of the person on the blog. This professional Federal Profiler told me that #1 – a Profiler takes the evidence and helps to identify possible suspects. #2 – he stated that if he started blogging like this he would be fired quick as a wink because of ethical issues. #3 – a good Profiler would never take a suspect and then work to make the evidence fit for a conviction. He agreed with me that that is extremely dangerous and doesn’t get the conviction ever. A good defense attorney can burn you on the stand.

     As for the defense attorney. Mr. Baez has a serious case with a lot of publicity he must work with. I am not surprised that he has Casey in his office during the day. He is possibly trying to keep her from the media and the mess to keep her from doing something stupid (or more stupid). His job is to defend her and to give her the best he can. How he does it is his business and we can guess all day what his strategy is and what he knows, but the bottom line is he will never tell us. So why bother – it is only guesses and not even educated ones at that.

     And k, I said many of you here – not all. I did say all of you remind me of watching Nancy Grace. And yes that was not meant as a compliment. Thanks for being nice – but do read the whole statement and try to use your best comprehension skills. That actually is what I suggested you all do. Use critical thinking skills (that doesn’t mean think of all the critical and nasty comments you can make) and try to comprehend and evaluate the information from all angles. It can be interesting and it will actually be much more valuable to all.

     One last thought – Casey’s myspace poem. Maybe she was saying that she was feeling that she had no one to turn to, that she had lied about the thefts but so had her mother lied to her about something. Everyone dies – I think she might have been considering suicide. It might have been a threat to her parents that she would kill herself – or that she would kill Caylee. I still don’t know – need to spend time with Casey in forensic interviews to form an opinion.

     Comment by Linn — September 9, 2008 @ 6:45 pm

 

120. Connie, yes I think Linn ran away and I hope its far, far away.

     Comment by J D — September 9, 2008 @ 6:56 pm

 

121. Shes been saying that really? The nerve!

     Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 7:08 pm

 

122. I just want to clarify that Linn is NOT in Florida and as she stated is from the West. I doubt she is related in any way to the Anthonys and is likely what she says.

     Just wanted to put that out there in her defense.

     While I appreciate Linn’s point of view, and ultimately she is right, it is not our place to act as judge, advocate and jury against the Anthonys, including Casey, this is a blog. And as such, it is a place for public matters to be discussed. This is a public case and as of right now the only people who are advocating justice for the victim in this case, Caylee, is the concerned public.

     That’s what the Anthonys and those who are chastising us for speculating and presenting theories, as well as documented evidence aren’t understanding.

     In most cases of homicide or missing persons, there are two parties (parents usually) involved, generally with at least one side speaking on behalf of the victim.

     For example, the Laci Peterson case. While Scott Peterson’s family continued to stand by his claims of innocence, despite overwhelming (and some circumstantial) evidence, Laci’s family and that of her unborn baby, we’re standing as guardians to her and baby Connor’s justice.

     If there hadn’t been the other side looking out for Laci and Connor, can you imagine how one-sided that case would have been?

     Caylee apparently has no father to speak of and no family to speak of besides the Anthonys, therefore if they are circling the wagons trying to protect Casey, then who’s there to protect little Caylee? Not the grandparents it seems, or the uncle, or Caylee’s friends and distant relatives.

     We seem to forget that the victim was a helpless child who can not speak for herself or protect herself. Anyway you look at it, Casey did a great and tremendous injustice to her child by not protecting her and keeping her from harm. NO ONE STOLE CAYLEE, she was, in her mother’s words, left with a nanny. A nanny, (if we are to believe Casey) who clearly was not trustworthy. When you add to the fact that Casey waited 31 days to report her missing shows a gross level of neglect and indifference.

     You can’t blame the public for being angry with Casey, the mother, who has consistently lied to the public about every single aspect of this case and has yet to cooperate with the authorities about the whereabouts of her child.

     I understand where you are coming from Linn, and respect your ideology, but it flies in the face of evidence and logic. Someone, US, the public, concerned citizens, need to stand up for Caylee and continue to put pressure on the media and the legal system to help find this child, dead or alive.

     I would want the same for my children were I unable to do so. Wouldn’t you Linn?

     The facts do NOT add up, it’s called detective work, and it’s the same thing the police are doing. While you may not like the flow of comments, we are in our right to do so, as we are not involved in the legal entanglements of this case. This is why we’ve encouraged people to remain civil and not stoop to baseless attacks which have no bearing on the case.

     There’s plenty here to mull over without lowering ourselves to crude insults. In general, I am pretty impressed with the restraint people have shown on Glosslip in their comments — though we reserve the right to delete any we find offensive.

     Please stay on topic. This is not the site to discuss people’s sexual morals or general appearance. I don’t care about that nonsense, I want to know what happened to Caylee. For her sake and anyone who cares about her.

     Comment by Dawn — September 9, 2008 @ 7:17 pm

 

123. Inadvertent synthesis of chloroform
     The haloform reaction can also occur inadvertently in domestic settings. Sodium hypochlorite solution (chlorine bleach) mixed with common household liquids such as acetone, methyl ethyl ketone, ethanol, or isopropyl alcohol may produce some chloroform, in addition to other compounds such as chloroacetone, or dichloroacetone.

     It only takes heat – and a car trunk gets very hot in the sun. Try reading a few chemistry books and you will get the answers. It is not easy reading though.

     Sorry, Connie and JD – I didn’t run away. If I go away it will be because I chose to find people who want to discuss this issue from all avenues. I am looking for such a group.

     Oh, and I don’t think Cindy is saying the American People will be to blame if something happens to Caylee. She is upset, as most anyone would be with having the news media outside her door 24/7. She wants them to put the emphasis back on Caylee. That is where it belongs. And the protesters outside the home are not helping anything. If anything they are hindering things and will make a conviction more difficult because of the difficulty in seating a jury.

     Well, I have a class to teach tonight. Sorry but no more for today.

     A friend called me a while ago – he had read this blog and saw my initials LINN. He called to see if it was me – he said that he was excited to see that I was trying to get people to think outside the box like I do in classes. Well, at least someone thinks thinking and evaluating is a good thing. Maybe that is why our team works so efficiently and doesn’t mess up many convictions – or mess up peoples lives along the way.

     Comment by Linn — September 9, 2008 @ 7:17 pm

 

124. Linn, glad you have returned I read your post and yes I read and understand all of what your saying. I am waiting for all of the facts to come in. Don’t you find it odd that these innocent people were the first to attack. The more they talked the more the media said, “wait a minute, that don’t make sense, please explain what you mean?” And they were attacked, why? I am sick and tired of the innocent Anthony family blaming the world for what has happened. Is this the way innocent people behave? I heard that grandpa George washed his car today, wow that seems odd, his precious granddaughter has been “missing” for how many months? You would think Cindy and George would be following up on all of these nationwide leads they say they have. But no I think I’ll wash my car!!! I will judge them because they have judged me. Remember Cindy has said that if Caylee is no longer alive then its our fault and like most of the people in this country myself included we are tired of their lying bullshit stories.

     Comment by J D — September 9, 2008 @ 7:30 pm

 

125. Linn–just a social worker and not a clinical one at that.

     Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 7:33 pm

 

126. Dawn, Thank you. You are right – it is all about Caylee (or should be). I realize I tend to write in a way that can be seen as put downs – I really don’t intend to put anyone down – I am just very passionate about justice and fair treatment of all. I will try to be more sensitive in the future. If you talk to any one who knows me in real life you will find that I am the last one to agree on a charge – but when I do I am solid about it. I also am typically well liked, even by those parents whose children I have removed from their care. Why, because I don’t jump to conclusions and I support them in all aspects along the way and help them to understand why and what. Then support them in making changes in their lives. They still stop me when shopping – it makes shopping a real job at times. But sometimes I am on of their few cheerleaders in a world that prefers to condemn. I will condemn, but only when it is for sure needed.

     I, however, differ with you in one sense. I don’t think it takes bloggers or protesters to get LE to do their job and protect the innocent children. I spent enough time in CP to know that most of LE are very passionate about children and their safety. And usually find all the public hype to be distracting and taking way too much of their time so hampering the efforts.

     I do believe that when we spend so much effort on making the limited released facts fit the belief that Casey and her parents and brother did it we lose a chance to look at other ideas and really keep the focus on Caylee. Until Caylee is found, be it a body or a live little girl, all methods and ideas need to be looked at – even as far fetched as they may seem.

     I have learned after years of working in this field that life is much stranger than fiction – most times the real life story is rather unbelievable to the average person. It flies in the face of all understanding. So, given that experience, I try to look at things from all angles until I know there is only one angle to look at.
     That will be when “ALL” the evidence is in. I won’t be surprised if Caylee is dead – I won’t be surprised if she isn’t either – because I really don’t have a set opinion yet. I am sad she is missing, I am sad that she may be dead. I am a mother and a grandmother and love children unconditionally. I still care about many many children I worked with over the years – and worry about some.

     Someday, when I learn to be less wordy, I will write a book – it will be a shocker because things often aren’t what they seem. And the real life stories are better than any fiction you can dream up.

     I would like to see some actual discussion – not just innuendo and hatred. That is all. What are the other ideas out there?? Is LE really doing all they should be doing??? Are they still looking for a live child as well as for a body?? I believe they should be. Have they decided that Casey is a liar and therefore everything she says is a lie – that is a mistake in my opinion. Most liars also tell the truth, in part or in pieces. It is a real job to figure out which is which – but only if you look at all as possibly a lie and possibly as truth do you finally get the puzzle figured out and all the pieces fit in such a way that no doubt is left. If Casey is guilty of murder – she deserves a life sentence. To me the death penalty is too easy.
     If she is not guilty – she doesn’t deserve to be crucified – the real perp needs to be found out.

     Comment by Linn — September 9, 2008 @ 7:39 pm

 

127. “Sorry, Connie and JD – I didn’t run away. If I go away it will be because I chose to find people who want to discuss this issue from all avenues”

     You gotta go find stuff on the net do some research to answer questions and come back and try to make your self look smarter than you really are. We are discussing issues from all avenues, the problem is you don’t like that. Oh you have a teaching degree now? lol
     Keep working on your schooling LINN you need it.

     Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 7:45 pm

 

128. Just a social worker and not a clinical one – please read all before you jump is all I ask. – I have a Masters in Social Work and then decided that I wanted more to do counseling in corrections. So instead of getting my clinical credentials I took another 3 years and got an MS in counseling. I am a clinical counselor who is also an MSW.

     Social Work and Clinical Counseling differ in some ways – I feel I have gained much from having spent time in both areas and actually combine the two philosophies. I have worked long enough with supervision that I could have my Clinical Social Work credentials by just taking an exam. No reason to do so though. I took a very comprehensive exam for my Counseling license. And had the supervision there also. If I moved away from this area, I might take the Clinical SW exam – just to increase my credentials – but since I don’t intend to do that – no reason to do so.

     My letters following my name are LCPC, NCC, MSW. I could also add a few more but no need to confuse everyone – me included. But since you are so interested – I also have a Masters in Substance Abuse. It was only a few more credits to get while doing my counseling degree and so I thought it worthwhile. Basically, my husband and sons tell me that I prefer going to school over going to work. That is only partially true – but I do love to learn.

     Now, I really have to brush my teeth and go to teach my class. I hate to be late and class starts at 6:30. Good that I live 3 blocks from the University.

     Comment by Linn — September 9, 2008 @ 7:51 pm

 

129. Linn–you started of with this statement: All of you arm chair psychologists out there.

     Your the wan-a-be psychologists..not us….but, all you have is a 2 year MSW wow!!! Keep working on your schooling.

     Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 7:51 pm

 

130. You don’t what your talking about!!!

     Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 7:54 pm

 

131. Dawn, I apologize if I’ve said anything out of line.
     Your right, this is about one thing and one thing only and that is finding Caylee. Like most people in this country I find it hard to understand why complete strangers care more about this little girl that her own family does.

     Comment by J D — September 9, 2008 @ 8:05 pm

 

132. Connie, it was good to kick around a few ideas with you. Although I don’t have a never ending list of credentials to impress or belittle readers with I’m blessed with common sense. We can all hope and pray that the truth will come out soon and all involved will be punished for the crimes they have committed. Have a good night and maybe we can share a few more ideas in the next few days. I must go now I need to call my therapist and take my pills some of these posts have pushed me over the edge. Night JD

     Comment by J D — September 9, 2008 @ 8:26 pm

 

133. J D–Thanks for your last comment…we all have emotions from this case. For me, a place like this is… kinda like group therapy, you know? A place to try, and sort it all out. Casey and her family caused all these emotions, frustration, anger etc.. to stir up in the public, by what they have done, and keep doing. A little innocent child is the cost. I think we all know this is not court, and we are not the Judge or the Jury, and no-way can we know ALL the facts at this time. I appreciate every one for sharing and your feedback. I love kids!!

     Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 8:39 pm

 

134. J D–Sweet!!

     Night

     Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 8:42 pm

 

135. linn keeps saying and asking if anyone out there has their ideas or points of view then will crucify what ever someone says . go back and read what she says . she thinks she is perfect and the only one who can see and say anything right.
     this is about a 3 year old that ia missing at the hands of her lieing mother… and that is a fact!!!
     people aren’t pointing fingers at casey for no reason or because they are just suposing this or that happened… what makes this what it is …is only because this mother has lied upon lied about where her daughter was.
     in the 911 call she dispatcher asked why she waited a month to notify the police about her missing daughter and casey tells her that she went through “other” means to find her daughter.
     well what are those “other” means. one of the roommates that lived at the apartment where casey was staying was interviewed tonight on nancy grace and he said that casey never said anything about caylee being missing but went on every day as if nothing was wrong. she even went out parting with them showing no concern as to the whereabouts of her missing daughter and acted perfect… like nothing was wrong. so what was the “other” means that casey states to the 911 operater that she took to locate her missing 2 year old?

     Comment by gail — September 9, 2008 @ 9:08 pm

 

136. connie i think you are right on ! thank you!

     Comment by gail — September 9, 2008 @ 9:10 pm

 

137. Gail–Cinn…I mean Linn is a fake, its obvious to me now.

     “linn keeps saying and asking if anyone out there has their ideas or points of view then will crucify what ever someone says . go back and read what she says . she thinks she is perfect and the only one who can see and say anything right.”

     Who does that remind you of?

     Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 9:26 pm

 

138. I think we are wasting valuable critical thinking by attacking LINN, while we may not like her stance or her tone (she readily admitted she may come across as belittling, she did say that was not her intention) I feel our time would better spent trying to understand the information we have.

     The one thing we here at Glosslip really like is critical analysis of difficult situations. LINN is right technically, I should not put out my opinion as statements of fact for public consumption, and if you read back to my earlier posts, I tried hard to remain neutral and stick simply to the facts. K on the other hand (my Glosslip writing partner) meticulously details the evidence and draws her conclusion after painstaking work. Thank goodness

     Normally, I would try to remain as unbiased as is feasibly possible, but as a mother and someone who gets very emotionally involved with matters involving the protection of children I must admit, I am beyond invested in this story. I can’t seem to remain neutral in the face of so much bizarre behavior on the part of Casey and her family.

     Their precious child is missing, but they are behaving rather inappropriately IMO. While no one person acts the same under similar situation, their are common behaviors among humans that we can point to as “normal”.

     Someone mentioned the Diane Downs case and I did a search and read the entire history of that. The similarities in behavior of the two mothers (Diane and Casey) were uncanny — and not in a good way. Diane was given a life sentence plus 50 for shooting her three children, killing one and maiming the other two.

     Despite her own child identifying her as the killer, Downs maintained her innocence, as did her own father.

     It’s incomprehensible. What is normal? I know killing one’s child doesn’t seem normal to me. And certainly not out of revenge, envy and jealousy in a premeditated and vile way. We know accidents happen to otherwise loving parents, I wouldn’t condemn someone for making a mistake anyone could make.

     The case of Caylee does NOT appear to be a mistake. Quite the contray.

     I am not saying Casey did any of this, but we do know she’s behaved in a way that has brought this tremendous scrutiny on herself and her family and she clearly is NOT learning from her mistakes which only makes it look so much more damning.

     I am all for critical thinking and asking important questions to help us all better understand as a society what has happened – maybe even something useful can come of it – but you can’t expect people to not have emotions and exercise common sense.

     The Anthonys and this case defy logic and reason. People are confused AND outraged.

     Comment by Dawn — September 9, 2008 @ 9:40 pm

 

139. Dawn–I agree with most what you have said, except:

     “I think we are wasting valuable critical thinking by attacking LINN, while we may not like her stance or her tone”

     I feel I am defending myself and others opinions not attacking LINN. It’s not my intention either to attack anyone.

     “(she readily admitted she may come across as belittling, she did say that was not her intention)”

     I think she continues to belittle…I don’t think her opinion is anymore valuable then anyone else’s in here.

     Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 10:06 pm

 

140. I agree whole-heartedly, her opinion is NOT more valuable and I don’t agree with her view of things at all. But I do feel she is *trying* to be the devil’s advocate in all of this, and in general, while not a popular thing to be, a necessary one in a democratic society.

     I am with the general consensus that Casey killed her daughter and is a vile example of the human species, but until she is charged with a crime, we can’t assume anything.

     That’s all I was saying. In no way am I trying to place value on anyone’s opinion above anyone else. I’d just rather hear people’s opinions on the case, not about LINN. That said, you have every right to defend yourself and as long as people are civil and not name-calling or inciting violence, this is a forum you can turn to for information on the latest in the case and to freely express your opinion.

     We are just trying to keep the peace in a very emotional environment.

     K and I are glad to have you all here and discussing the case rather intelligently too I might add .

     Comment by D — September 9, 2008 @ 10:15 pm

 

141. K on the other hand (my Glosslip writing partner) meticulously details the evidence and draws her conclusion after painstaking work. Thank goodness

     Thank you, I try. I just like to lay out everything that I can find, and then present my thoughts (and I do try to say they are my thoughts) as best I can. It’s the only way I know how to do it. And your coverage of this is way excellent, btw. If not for you I might not have picked up on this story.

     Now…as I have pointed out to others before this, if somebody wants hard-hitting news, as in “just the facts, ma’am,” I hear CNN has a site. We are a blog, and as such we can and do form opinions and then post those opinions for others to dissect and throw back in our faces. And in a case such as this one, where the facts are at the VERY least pointing to the mother knowing more than she is saying, we (being a blog and not being hard-hitting news) can and do say our thoughts and opinions on the subject. And I’m sorry if that offends anybody reading, but that is what we do here.

     For my part, I’ve pretty much made up my mind, unless something major huge comes along and changes it. But that doesn’t mean others have to agree with me or even like my decision to make up my mind. I’m good with that. And it doesn’t stop me from objectively presenting facts, as I have tried to do.

     Now, having said all that, we do love an intelligent debate and as long as people stay civil and reasonably intelligent, I’m good with back and forth. So everybody carry on.

     Comment by k — September 9, 2008 @ 10:30 pm

 

142. Linn
     You seem to have accomplished bringing to the forefront much about YOU. A clinical social worker — requires licensing standards beyond the MS. You have tried to persuade people to look at the facts and to evaluate critically but your posts have served only to distract from that goal. Though people have expressed emotion about the facts in this case they do seem interested in discussing theories and information. It has been railroaded into a debate with you about your belief system which detracts from the sharing of information because your judgement — yes that is how I interpret it — judgement — of them makes them focus on their reaction to you and not on the discussion of their feelings and thoughts about the information presented. This is a discussion … do you have to be right? Will you continue to explain at length how you are right and what credentials you present to support that. One final thought … as a counselor or therapist wouldn’t you need a clinical license and as such would you not be trained to allow the flow of information without trying to manipulate it with personal information etc. ?

     Back to the issue at the root of this lengthy discussion … A 3 year old child is missing … her mother is not willing to provide information to help locate her. Her family does not appear able to assist either be it family dynamics, insanity, grief whatever … they are not available.

     Question? The report said she handed Caylee to the babysitter in the park while the babysitter was with other children and someone else handed her a “script”. What then she watched them drive away with her daughter? I think it is usually a task to get more than one child away from a park and into a vehicle … did she just stand there? If she was handed a script — where is it? Can she describe the person who allegedly handed her the script? She NAMED the babysitter wouldn’t a kidnapper frown upon that? I know the probability that this is anything beyond more lies is slim but if that’s what she IS reporting can’t the police ask for further information from her and disprove it? Regardless of whether the police can or not — short of a gun being held on the child at the time does Cindy Anthony not see how far fetched this scenario sounds? She had to have had the experience every mother has had of trying to corale children into a vehicle away from the park … how is it this scene goes completely differently than ANY time I or probably Cindy have ever experienced in the same task?

     Another question — is there any proof that Casey actually stole the money from the assisted living fund? Why would she be allowed access to these funds in any way with the family aware of her propensity for theft etc.? Could it be everyone lies means she is pointing the finger at her mother mishandling the funds? How much money was involved? Why has she not been charged with grand theft then? Is ADULT protective services assigning an advocate ad litem on behalf of the grandparents who have had their life savings stolen by their grand daughter and their rights not protected or pursued by THEIR daughter?

     Comment by Deb — September 9, 2008 @ 10:56 pm

 

143. Deb–great questions…something to think about that’s for sure. The theft from the funds could be another reason to put Casey back in jail for now…stop some of this circus. Help break her down…get some truths out of her.

     Comment by Connie — September 9, 2008 @ 11:18 pm

 

144. OMG Linn is putting pathological coments to use…

     My husband? Pizza? Maggots? Poems?

     Gong way overboard to prove a point?

     HI CINDY ANTHONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     Comment by MS — September 9, 2008 @ 11:49 pm

 

145. Thank you Connie.
     There is a similar case in Lynn Massachusetts — GIOVANNI COLON-GONZALEZ age 5 is missing. His mother dropped him off for a weekend visit with his father and when she went to pick him up the father reported he never had him but the police have an answering machine recording confirming that the father arranged for the visit that weekend. Police found a mop which had been cleaned but had evidence of blood having been on it in his apartment. The father sits in jail while the search continues for this little boy. His HEARTBROKEN mother has made public appeals for help finding her son and sadly had to return to her home away from the area to await news (possibly because she had to return to earning a living) …. Here’s my question — Why is that father Ernesto Gonzales in jail and Casey Anthony not? There is less evidence against him .. he lied too… he’s not giving up any information to help find his son. Why is the public not as outraged with him? —> Because he is sitting in a jail cell where suspected child murderers who lie and refuse to help find their missing children are usually housed! Not visiting their nice clean fancy attorneys office 6 hours a day being shielded from public scrutiny! She has her relative freedom because she lied? Baez may be trying to keep her away from the public so she cannot make anymore public lies but she is managing to make herself a spectacle anyway isn’t she? He would be better off to leave her at home. His daily parading her back and forth is keeping the chaos going and distracting from the focus on Caylee! Sorry but I don’t buy that you get out of house arrest to go to your attorneys office daily — enough of the field trips — leave her at home and let her deal with the same ordeal her parents have to deal with — bet George gets a confession out of her then — he does not seem to be supporting Casey so much. What if Cindy and George really did play the tough love card and said — start talking or sit in a jail cell we aren’t taking the heat for you without your full cooperation to find Caylee.

     Comment by Deb — September 9, 2008 @ 11:54 pm

 

146. MS: I am fairly certain that Linn is not Cindy Anthony. Different sides of the continent. (And I would not say that had Linn not already said so.)

     Comment by k — September 9, 2008 @ 11:57 pm

 

147. Just one more post — The company that holds the assisted living funds could file charges or at least it would seem has the responsibility to contact ADULT protective services on behalf of the aging grandparents. The assisted living services certainly have a legal DUTY to contact Adult Protective Services to report exploitation from the family. Seperate from what charges can be filed against Casey and what the police find in the investigation about Caylee there are other violations of laws and of the rights of others in this case. If I were an executive at the assisted living facility I would start thinking about whether or not there could be charges against the agency for negligence in protecting the rights of the grandparents — they could be fined for failure to report abuse or exploitation to Adult Protective Services. If they passively sit by while the rights of the people in thier care are violated in the financial realm I would wonder what other abuses they tolerate and a complacent agency of that level is certainly NOT a place where I would want my family member. Those with family members being cared for at that facility might want to take a look at how this is handled.
     If Casey stole Cindy’s credit cards and ran up the tab — is Cindy reporting to the credit card company that the cards were stolen and misused? Does she then get out of paying the charges? Most credit card companies would require that the person reporting a theft or unauthorized use of the cards file a criminal charge to allow this to be pursued. No criminal charge = no theft = poor judgement on Cindy’s part. There are so many other charges that Casey could be charged with it seems! If Cindy allowed her access to use the cards and then reports it as theft doesn’t that equal FRAUD on her part?

     Comment by Deb — September 10, 2008 @ 12:13 am

 

148. MS–I think so too, that’s why I ask for her Mental Health Profession credentials…They don’t add up after she gave them. I know more about the profession, then I have said here. She don’t
     come across like any mental health professional does either. I know quit a few of them. I personally have had a few of them, that helped ME save my life years ago. If not for them I wouldn’t be here today. You have to be careful with people and judging them when you are in a position of a therapist.
     It takes this LINN hours to answer or respond to questions…
     Some one brought that point up, about LINN sounded like Cindy a while back, and I thought No, no way she would be on here posting….than after her comments and stuff, I began to think wow it does sound like Cindy’s thinking. Then there is a report about the trash a woman went through from the Anthony’s house today, showing that they are looking at whats being said online about them. I still thought no that’s not her.
     LINN is no mental health professional. That I know for sure.

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 12:18 am

 

149. She said? I am a Brain Surgeon? NE1 Believe that?

     Comment by MS — September 10, 2008 @ 12:25 am

 

150. Thanks Connie,

     I said in an earlier post but I can’t find it…

     If Casey was told by Zenida to read this script to the police if they ask if you dont want your daughter harmed?????

     Why did she not provide the Police with the script or at least the info? She was not told go to the olice and your kid is dead?

     LINN Should respond back shortly by saying… “This is hearsay noted from a Padilla worker in the back of a truck”

     Who else was at the park? Were there witnesses? Did you have a car to follow her? How did you get to the park? What time did this occur?

     Why did you tell the police a random spew of lies?

     LINN / Cindy…

     I said this earlier…

     Perhaps Casey has already confided to her family of her wrong doing and the family now feels that she has rights regardless. She is still our daughter, sister.

     Ie. PROVE IT NOW and let the chips fall as they will.

     That is why we are in a stalemate! F-ING waste of time, money & resources.

     Comment by MS — September 10, 2008 @ 12:33 am

 

151. K–not to sure I agree with you on this one. Sorry, I know she is lying about being in the mental health field. That’s a FACT. Anybody can be anybody they want to on here. They can claim all kinds of things. Don’t make it FACT. Lots of people have figured it out.
     Only reason I came to this conclusion is, I know about different degrees of the mental health community. Only reason I ask her what field etc…cause she didn’t seem to me like any one in the field not, because I thought she might be Cindy.
     If she had all those so called letters (she called them) after her name…she wouldn’t need a doctorate. She would already have one!
     Do I know for sure she is Cindy, NO!

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 12:38 am

 

152. i didn’t post on this blog to attack anyone with my words. i did post because i really wanted to join in on reading the posibilities in this case and send my own thoughts to see if anyone thought about the same things or heard the same things.
     right after my first post i was attacked by this LINN in her post belittleing my thoughts. she says her intentions are not to belittle anyone then she better watch what she writes about other people and then jumps right into how many degrees she has.
     i really don’t care what she does for a living nor do i care how many degrees she has. she is no different than anyone else writing here and can only comment on the same things we all are hearing in the news. unless that is, if linn is somehow connected to this case or being informed personally by the police then she has no right to belittle others on their thoughts.
     its just our thoughts here on the same news we are all hearing
     i personally know someone with a whole list of college dgrees including phycology and child psycology and had… yes, had… a great paying school district job.
     she threw all that schooling, degrees and her state paying job out the window when she raped my 16 year old grandson!!! thats right !!!! a school psycologist …was also a rapist
     so you see it doesn’t matter how many college degrees one has.
     if linn feels she is such an expert with all her degrees then why doesn’t she get on the next plane to florida and make sure the police and FBI don’t jump to conclutions or she can do even more….
     rather wasting her time on her computer reading our posts and belittling eveyone why doesn’t she go to florida and join one of the groups that are out there searching for that baby.
     i don’t want to read arguments between people nor do i want to argue.
     i wrote in this blog my thoughts about this casey and caylee anthony mystery and only stated what i believe to be facts. … but was attacked by this linn with her words. how dare she judge anyone!!!linn says we shouldn’t judge casey or the anthony’s untill all the facts are in yet she has judged what other people have wrote in on this blog and belittles them. she needs to read her own blogs and stop the judging.
     facts first then each of our thoughts …a place to discuss all the posibilities concerning this case.
     the real heros in this case so far are the people who are sacrificing their time and days out there in this florida heat searching the area for caylee.

     Comment by gail — September 10, 2008 @ 12:45 am

 

153. Deb–I dont think George is supporting Casey so much either. You can see it in his face…really totally holding something back. He almost looks like a person that has went through trauma to me. Very unlike Casey and Cindys look.

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 12:46 am

 

154. Comment #147 Deb–yeah could be considered elderly abuse too. Not just theft. Just a thought….

     Right on MS!!!

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 12:53 am

 

155. Linn,
     In post #27 you state “All of you arm chair psychologists out there – which DSM are you using in your diagnosis and how are you getting the information you need to make said diagnosis. I am a mental health professional and I have some ideas but it is not possible to diagnose with such tiny bits of info.” I read back through all of the posts prior to #27 and in none of them does anyone make reference to a mental health diagnosis. People are making observations of behaviors. YOU are the first to mention the DSM. So I have to ask are you implying that Casey has a mental illness — again none before your post had stated a “diagnosis”. I find it interesting that because she stands suspect of this heinous crime YOU quickly make reference to the DSM and a formal mental health diagnosis.

     I feel the need to remind you that not all BAD people have a mental illness! And not all people who have a mental illness are in any way dangerous. It seems from reading that particular post that you may be implying such. Be careful as an MSW I am CERTAIN that is the LAST thing you would want to be implying.

     Comment by Deb — September 10, 2008 @ 12:57 am

 

156. Gail—right on!!! comment #152

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 12:57 am

 

157. Deb #155—correct!!!

     Linn will back commenting soon….she has to think about it for a while….lol, you know like she has all along. Plan it out do some research on the net, copy and paste. She has to make sure she corrects all of our comments unless of course it is defending Casey, somehow.

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 1:05 am

 

158. Gail
     I am sorry that that person hurt your grandson. There is NO EXCUSE for hurting a child! Letters behind your name do not make you a better person or give you character. I do hope that she lost more than her job and her state paying job but also her freedom so that she cannot hurt another child! And I hope that your grandson and your family have found others that will help him and your family find strength and healing for your hearts.

     Connie -
     Yeah that was my thought that it could be considered abuse but I guess it would depend on how the financial situation is set up whether the agency is involved but definitely the family is involved. You would think the area agency for protection of senior citizens would automatically be looking at it and maybe they are.

     Comment by Deb — September 10, 2008 @ 1:11 am

 

159. You know, I have felt sorry for George. When I first saw him..I thought he is nice looking for an old man (I am 47 so, lol)..I seen Cindy, and I was like what the ***. She just don’t compliment him (trying to put it in a nice way). Poor guy, lost his granddaughter now soon his daughter…if he is innocent in all this, in the end..he might have quite a few women across the nation after him. Cindy better straighten her act up…just had to say that, felt good!

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 1:25 am

 

160. Oops sorry Linn
     #13 does mention psycopath and sociopath and #17 offers a DSM diagnosis but I don’t think it was meant as a FORMAL conclusive diagnosis. Again bringing this into a question of diagnosis is clearly stated in your post and
     I stand by my comment that mental illness does not equal dangerous child murderer otherwise every parent with a mental health diagnosis should be in fear of losing their children and that would mean parents who need help would be afraid to seek help.

     Comment by Deb — September 10, 2008 @ 1:32 am

 

161. Connie
     Somehow I am not sure George is going to be interested in anymore women in his life — not being sexist just think the poor old guys had enough trouble with women to last a long time.

     Comment by Deb — September 10, 2008 @ 1:36 am

 

162. Deb–yeah the police may have looked into it too..I have read somewhere that, they try and keep someone they think is guilty (not having as much evidence as they would like) in jail as long as they can, because it can help to break them, to get them to give some truth. They even tried to get her back in jail for the gun George had, but couldn’t. Darn!

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 1:36 am

 

163. Deb
     Yeah I am sure your right, not for a long time anyway.

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 1:41 am

 

164. “It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if this all drives Cindy to kill herself, and maybe kill Casey, too. I think that Cindy is the one to be reckoned with, especially if she knows the truth!”

     Comment by jay #101, even though Cindy is in denial, I agree with jay on this if Cindy does end up realizing the truth.

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 1:50 am

 

165. I hope to comment with you all tomorrow, gotta get some shut eye. Night

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 1:54 am

 

166. The Anthony’s Know Casey Killed Caylee!

     They are now using our laws to protect their Daughter and Sister!

     That is the only way that I can make sense of this ODD reaction!

     Feeling this way makes me even more mad!

     The family is a bunch of f-ing losers. If they (family)had NE “heart” they would back the public.

     That book deal would triple! Think about that one you money grubber Baez!

     I hope somebody runs a bulldozer over the house with them all in it!

     I am thinking about turning the page on any further interest with this whole boondoggle! Because… I don’t just want 2C her go down. I want her to tell the truth and her parents to apologize for their actions as well. Never gonna happen!

     Wish you all the best though!

     Comment by MS — September 10, 2008 @ 1:59 am

 

167. Deb, I did state that I wouldn’t make a diagnosis, which I am licensed to do, on the limited information. I am in no way suggesting that she has one or doesn’t have one. I was simply trying to say that throwing around words like sociopath and psychopath was not good. I totally agree that not all criminals have a mental illness and not all people with mental illness are criminals. That is one of the reasons I made the comment in my very first post here. However, for the record:

     #13 – referred to her as a psychopath or sociopath. #17 stated – >>> From what I’ve read, it’s looking more and more like she has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and is maybe a sociopath to boot.<<>>>>You have to be careful with people and judging them when you are in a position of a therapist.<<<>>>if linn feels she is such an expert with all her degrees then why doesn’t she get on the next plane to florida and make sure the police and FBI don’t jump to conclutions or she can do even more….
     rather wasting her time on her computer reading our posts and belittling eveyone why doesn’t she go to florida and join one of the groups that are out there searching for that baby.<<<<
     It isn’t the FBI or police that I see jumping to conclusions. I have suggested that they be allowed to do their job without all the protestors and such making it more difficult.

     Why don’t I go to Florida and search – probably for the same reason some of you don’t. I have a job, a family, other responsibilities to take care of. And to make it even harder for me to search, I have to be on O2 most of the time from taking a medication from another disorder.

     Deb, <<< A clinical social worker — requires licensing standards beyond the MS.<<<>>>trained to allow the flow of information without trying to manipulate it with personal information etc. ?<<<< I am growing weary of having to defend myself and my right to have a differing opinion and belief on this topic of Casey and Caylee. I actually like the free flow of info. I would like to see some real discussion of the “facts” beyond just stating that they are what they are. I didn’t try to manipulate the facts by stating my credentials. I answered what I was asked about. I regret doing that – it is my belief that others on this list probably have different credentials and have learned to use critical thinking and careful analysis of information.
     In practice – I do not generally use self disclosure to manipulate a topic – but sometimes it is good to help someone see things from a different point of view. Self disclosure is used carefully but can be effective in a helping way.

     As for my having to think about things and plan out my net search before I answer. See above, I am a mother, wife, employee, I teach two night classes each week at a local university, and have other responsibilities in my community. That means I have limited time on line. I spend more time on line right now because I am restricted from doing a lot of what I would normally do – I broke my ankle and me and crutches are not enjoying each other’s company. So while my family goes hiking, fishing, or doing other things I would normally enjoy I am either here to read, watch TV or check out the blogs.

     I will state one last time for a couple of you – I am not defending Casey. I am not saying Casey is guilty of anything other than being dishonest about some, if not all, things. I am trying to see all sides and carefully look at all information. And yes, I do like to play the devils advocate – it really is a good thing to get to the truth and to evaluate the evidence. We do it at work all the time – I am not always given the fun job of being the devil’s advocate though – I have co-workers who also like that role. It keeps us on our toes and keeps us fair as we can be – it also helps us not make the mistake of jumping to conclusions.

     I have a tidbit I learned tonight – I will share it in another post.

     Comment by Linn — September 10, 2008 @ 2:10 am

 

168. Tonight I was given a new text book about drug abuse and treatment. One of the things that caught my eye as I was thumbing through it was that chloroform is used as an inhalant. Many anesthetics, such as ether, and nitrous oxide are abused inhalants but I had never heard of chloroform being one.

     The book said that this use has been called, “gas frolics”.

     Dangerous and stupid – but so are all the other drugs of abuse.

     Just a tidbit for anyone who is interested. I think I will ask a few of my drug tsar friends if they know about this.

     My first thought was why – it is a known carcinogen. But, heck, meth is a big drug of abuse in my area and it is made with known carcinogens and other dangerous ingredients. I forget some days how drug abuse knows no concern about what it might do to the body.

     It is a bit after midnight – I should have been a pumpkin an hour ago.

     I do apologize if my presence here is that distracting. I want people to freely express their opinion, allow me to do the same. And if you find fault with something I say – call me on it. Just quote me correctly, use logic, and facts, not emotion. Anyway that is my preference as I debate an issue.

     I do not judge any of you – just disagree with your opinion at times. That is what discussion and debate is all about. Don’t give me more power than I really have. I can not make anyone feel anyway – good, bad, stupid, unloved, or anything else. Only you can choose how you feel.

     Good night. And I will return – when I have time, I might cut and paste for clarification and to reduce my typing needs though.

     Comment by Linn — September 10, 2008 @ 2:32 am

 

169. Deb, <<< A clinical social worker — requires licensing standards beyond the MS.<<<

     I must have deleted part of my response in post 167. I have never stated I was a clinical social worker. I did state that I have an MSW and the hours of supervised practice to qualify to sit for the exam and if I passed it, and I feel pretty good about passing, then I could be licensed as a clinical SW. I am licensed as a Clinical Counselor. Similar but different. I spent 3 years getting the Masters, completed the hours of supervised practice in the field, passed the exam and am licensed in the state in which I am working. I have also been licensed in two other states where I lived and worked. I really don’t care about this apples and oranges discussion – just trying to clarify this tidbit so we can get back to the real topic and maybe stop worrying about who I am and what qualifications I have to think differently than the main stream on this blog.

     If you really trust you opinion and believe you are right, don’t give me the power to “make you feel I am more right than you.” I have an opinion and you have one – if I can persuade you to think a bit more about something it is a good thing IMNSHO. That, to me, is what helps us all learn, grow, and develop our skills in anything.

     For the record. I have children and grandchildren – I think I said that before though. And the thought that anyone of them could be in this situation hurts me to the core. It makes me sick to think what could happen to Caylee or what might have happened to her. But what I think right now is that all the facts are not in – and so all avenues need to be looked at, all T’s need to be crossed, all I’s need to be dotted. LE needs to not make any conclusions that she is dead until there is a body. A search for a live Caylee, as well as a body are in the best interest of this child at this time.

     I will be traveling this next week and I can say without question that I will keep my eyes open at all times as we vacation in areas where she could possibly be. Well, that is unless a body has been found. Do I expect to find her – no, not anymore that the people who saw Elizabeth Smart expected to see her in Sandy. Around my area we had gotten almost to used to seeing the posters – too much exposure can keep us from seeing it. We wanted to find Elizabeth alive, many thought for sure she was dead (including LE) and yet because some one had not closed their eyes to a possibility they recognized her and she is now a University student doing very well in life. Her story reminds me not to set my mind to anything until all the facts are in.

     Comment by Linn — September 10, 2008 @ 2:53 am

 

170. I feel terrible for the grandparents, I know they love their granddaughter and would do anything to see her again. They are protecting Casey and hoping she’ll tell them what happened to her. They are in denial, but you can’t blame them for not wanting to accept that Caylee is (most likely) dead. They lost their daughter Casey a long time ago, she’s a lost cause and now their granddaughter, the perfect and innocent Caylee. I hope Cindy, George, and Lee have nothing to do with this.

     With all the evidence against Casey, I don’t see how she’s allowed to be on house arrest. There is plenty we already know she’s guilty of, she should be in jail until the trial. I think she is definitely sleeping with her lawyer, have you noticed the smirks on his face? And who spends 6 hours a day, 5 days a week with their lawyer? They are doing more than just discussing the case. Casey’s tattoo artist friend says Caylee was conceived from a one-night stand. Casey “charms” every guy she meets. She has mental issues, most likely born with some that have gotten worse over the years. Casey has probably always gotten her way and she’s never been made to do anything for herself. She gets what she wants by using people. She can’t hide from the truth forever though.

     Comment by Christie — September 10, 2008 @ 2:53 am

 

171. Well, Connie, let’s put it this way…as a writer here I have access to the inner workings of the site, something the reader is not privy to. Linn is posting from a place that Cindy Anthony cannot possibly physically be.

     S/he may be a lot of things but I’m fairly sure Cindy Anthony isn’t one of them. Of course, it’s entirely possible that she could be, to use Linn’s argument…but I don’t see Cindy as having ki||er haxx0r sk|llz.

     Again, I would not say that had Linn not already brought it up. The privacy of our readers is super important to us and we don’t go around spreading any info about them. In this case, however, what Linn said can be backed up and I’m just trying to put out a fire before it gets worse.

     Comment by k — September 10, 2008 @ 3:11 am

 

172. What is this psychopath enjoying the most:
     “Watching” her family suffer.

     (News media, she thinking she is some type of celebrity, comes in second. I know it is hard for the news media to do, in light of their ‘ratings’ and all, but if they really want to get to this psychopath, STOP the news media reporting about ‘her’. Then she will be a ‘nobody’. They are actually giving her what she wants.)

     Just report only about missing Caylee and the grandparents. (Then see what happens.)

     Comment by Dawn — September 10, 2008 @ 3:15 am

 

173. (added note):

     Remember her statement to her mother in a phone conversation from jail:
     She asked her mother about one of her mother’s interviews. Her mother stated: Which one? (then she told her she had given different ones.)

     Casey has also made a statement (something like):
     They only care about where Caylee is.

     This is a sick “game” of Casey’s – and she is ‘competing’ with her family. She is competing more with them, than she is with detectives. (although she is competing with them, too. That is also a sick “game”.)

     Comment by Dawn — September 10, 2008 @ 3:29 am

 

174. (I notice there are TWO “Dawn”s here.
     I am not the first “Dawn” who made postings. I am a different one. I am sorry for the confusion, and had I been thinking about it at the time, I would have used a different name, so that there would be no confusion.)

     Comment by Dawn — September 10, 2008 @ 3:32 am

 

175. (I will now go by Dawn #2. Hopefully that will help the confusion.)

     Did anyone else notice that Casey was “talking like” her (former) cop dad:

     (excerpts, from the following articles):

     http://www.wesh.com/news/17113783/detail.html

     August 6, 2008

     Caylee’s grandfather

     * SAID HE BELIEVES the toddler was KIDNAPPED.

     He has a background in law enforcement and

     * SAID HE’S TAPPING INTO RESOURCES FROM HIS PAST.

     —–
     (Now, look at call # THREE):

     http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,391503,00.html

     Friday, July 25, 2008

     In all, Cindy Anthony had three conversations with 911 dispatchers July 15.

     THIRD CALL
     Cindy Anthony stated:
     …

     (”and in this third 911 conversation on July 15,
     she made her daughter talk to the dispatcher),

     at which point Casey said”

     the toddler

     * HAD BEEN TAKEN BY a baby sitter

     “I’ve been looking for her and
     have

     * GONE THROUGH OTHER RESOURCES

     …

     Comment by Dawn #2 — September 10, 2008 @ 3:51 am

 

176. Did anyone else notice that Casey was “talking like” her (former) cop dad:

     (excerpts, from the following articles):

     http://www.wesh.com/news/17113783/detail.html

     August 6, 2008

     Caylee’s grandfather

     * SAID HE BELIEVES the toddler was KIDNAPPED.

     He has a background in law enforcement and

     * SAID HE’S TAPPING INTO RESOURCES FROM HIS PAST.

     —–
     (Now, look at call # THREE):

     http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,391503,00.html

     Friday, July 25, 2008

     In all, Cindy Anthony had three conversations with 911 dispatchers July 15.

     THIRD CALL
     Cindy Anthony stated:
     …

     (”and in this third 911 conversation on July 15,
     she made her daughter talk to the dispatcher),

     at which point Casey said”

     the toddler

     * HAD BEEN TAKEN BY a baby sitter

     “I’ve been looking for her and
     have

     * GONE THROUGH OTHER RESOURCES

     …

     Comment by Dawn — September 10, 2008 @ 3:55 am

 

177. My thoughts are this, there is enough evidence to get a conviction, and they will. I believe they are just making sure they take their time, and put it all together. As I have stated before, there is scientific evidence of a decomposing body in casey’s car, and we know the dna matches caseys or caylees. We know casey is alive, so that only leaves caylee and again DNA does not lie…… period. I have to ask, if the body was not caylee’s, the u tell me who it could have been? who else is missing that would be in casey’s trunk? who? George said …….”that body in my daughters car was not my granddaughters” ok give me one logical explanation on who’s body it was, and who put it there, and where did it go??? One logical explanation?

     Comment by abby — September 10, 2008 @ 7:32 am

 

178. a while back i watched a video clip or read that cindy claimed that a body had to have been put there after it was towed. also stating that there was no smell before it was towed… i don’t remember her exact words but that was what she claimed. well then i ask the same questions as in # 175
     but now take this a bit back…. that is not what she states to the 911 call right after she found the car.

     i hope that in these hour long meetings that casey has with her lawyer everyday that they also have some type of mental health professional present.

     Comment by gail — September 10, 2008 @ 8:34 am

 

179. christie #170

     oh she was arrested but was not charged with rape. my daughter who had moved out of state with her family was recieving threat letters from this womans mother in which the police also took and told them that if the letters didn’t stop they were going to charge her mother also.
     the letters stoped. but then this same woman child rapist went out of state to the state my daughter moved to and made contact with my 12 year old grandaughter and told her to meet her on a very deserted road.
     she picked her up and stoped at a gas station bought beer for them and took her to a motel where she offered my 12 year old grandaughter pot
     along with the beer.
     she was charged with some charges but didn’t get any jail time. she lost her lic to practice psycology and lost her job in the school district.
     she should be in jail as a child molester and kidnapper but got off on all the charges.
     then a month later threw a party at her house and invited 12 and 13 year old girls served them beer… alcohol .. pot and mushrooms. she was never charged with that either cause none of the kids wanted to testify . we were dealing with a psycologist a child psycologist who knows just what to say and do to these children to protect herself from being charged with any crime.
     child molesters never change and she will some day pay for all the lives she screwed up

     Comment by gail — September 10, 2008 @ 8:58 am

 

180. Well K,

     RIGHT:
     #171

     “Well, Connie, let’s put it this way…as a writer here I have access to the inner workings of the site, something the reader is not privy to. Linn is posting from a place that Cindy Anthony cannot possibly physically be.”

     WRONG:
     #147

     “MS: I am fairly certain that Linn is not Cindy Anthony. Different sides of the continent. (And I would not say that had Linn not already said so.)”

     Just because Linn said so don’t make it so. Thanks for finally clearing that up for us all.

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 10:33 am

 

181. Abby #176
     “George said …….”that body in my daughters car was not my granddaughters” ok give me one logical explanation on who’s body it was, and who put it there, and where did it go??? One logical explanation?”

     I didn’t know that George said this! Well that means he is not in total denial I guess. I figured he was claiming it was pizza.

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 10:51 am

 

182. hi connie…. did you see the nancy grace show last night? she interviewed one of the guys that was and is living at the appartment where casey was staying the whole time caylee was missing. he told nancy grace that casey acted normal the whole time and never seemed concerned about caylee’s whereabouts or safty. she went on with her life as if nothing was wrong and even went out partying.
     when they asked her where caylee was she told them that caylee was with the nanny.
     so… what i would like to know when the 911 dispatcher asked casey why she hadn’t reported her daughter missing 31 days ago casey’s answer to her was that she sought “other resorces” to find her daughter…… what were those “other resources”?
     it sure was not the police or FBI nor any of her friends…. if i was a cop working on this case i would ask casey what exactly were those “other resources”.

     Comment by gail — September 10, 2008 @ 11:21 am

 

183. the only reason people suspect that this mother harmed her child is because through all of her lies and actions she has pointed the finger at herself, no matter how many nanny’s she claims took her child.
     i won’t be suprised if she next claims that UFO’s abducted her daughter… oh wait!!!! maybe thats the “other resorces” she took!!!! ailiens were helping her look for her daughter!!!!

     Comment by gail — September 10, 2008 @ 11:34 am

 

184. gail—lol UFO’s…she might try that before its over. I don’t have cable so, I have never seen Nancy Grace. Wow, I thought nanny’s were for the rich and famous.

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 12:10 pm

 

185. I am sure many of you will not agree with me on this point. I do think that George and Cindy are in complete denial, and are unable to truely believe that Calee is dead, and that Casey killed her. I have a granddaughter that looks so much like Caylee, and I try and put myself in their shoes. I would never want to believe that my own child could do something so horrible. Yes, they could have probably not said, and done somethings, but they are in shock, and no one can really say how they would react to something like this if it happened to them. I know Casey killed Caylee, and she will get convicted. The thing is, that when, or if they do finally find her body, Cindy and George are gonna have to face that, and I do not wish that pain on anyone. I think that we should not be judging them so much, the pain that they feel must be overwelming and they really do not know what to do. They do not want to search for a dead body, because then they must face this reality, and they are not capable of doing that, not yet. I know they have said, and done things that make NO SENSE, but I believe it is just their way of holding on to the only thing they have…….Hope that caylee is alive. Yes, most of us know she is not, but if it were our granddaughter we would never want to give up hope, ever.

     Comment by abby — September 10, 2008 @ 12:17 pm

 

186. she is a wanna-be rich and famous… look at all this news and she now is famous … it doesn’t matter “how” she got this fame…. she has the news sitting there in front of her house waiting to get even a glimps of her just like a famous hollywood star.
     as far as rich… she will have that too once they accept the highist offer for her story….
     i bet next will be that playboy will want her to pose nude for their mag. and offer her millions for that too.

     Comment by gail — September 10, 2008 @ 12:28 pm

 

187. I truly believe that Calee is deseased. I belive she will be found in a shallow gave near water and lots of tress, close to where the car was located. Also, you will find flowers left by her Mother where her daughter now lays.

     Comment by Laura — September 10, 2008 @ 12:30 pm

 

188. abby #184
     yes i feel the same way about george and cindy. if you listen to one of the 911 recordings you can hear the terror in cindy’s voice when she is telling someone that caylee is missing.
     i think they are doing all they can to get the truth from their daughter for she is the only one that knows that truth.

     Comment by gail — September 10, 2008 @ 12:32 pm

 

189. laura … are you a psychic?

     Comment by gail — September 10, 2008 @ 12:35 pm

 

190. Abby, I know shock can do alot to a person’s rational thinking. Casey has and still is doing this to her parents…and she don’t give a rat’s ***. Loving every most every moment of it too, so it appears anyway.

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 1:00 pm

 

191. I wonder just how much dirt was in the car? Was it a lot? What I have read..sounds like it was not that much. Which could say something to suggest that, Casey didn’t go all out when it came to hiding little Caylee. And the clothes Cindy washed, wonder if they had dirt on them? Was it one boot, in the car? Was it an adult boot? Was it suppose to have had some blood on it? Any one read about that?

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 1:10 pm

 

192. Am I the only one that’s thinking something wierd might be going on with the lawyer??? Everyday meetings??? What lawyer would want that? Why are family members taking the risk to drive her around? I’d be afraid of running into an angry crowd. (especially if they know where she is going every day) Is Mrs. Baez (if there is one) happy that Casey is hanging out with Jose all day long, every day? Doesn’t anyone in this family work? Are they all addicted to their cell phones? You see Lee trying to keep George from smashing someone’s head – he doesn’t put down his cell….Casey is being lead to jail – Cindy doesn’t put down her cell… The video of Casey pushing the cake into Caylee’s face gives me the creeps. It was done without humor – almost with anger.

     Comment by Laurie — September 10, 2008 @ 1:17 pm

 

193. Laurie
     “The video of Casey pushing the cake into Caylee’s face gives me the creeps. It was done without humor – almost with anger.”

     In that video I thought it wasn’t natural from a mother. Something not right about her interactions with her daughter, all the way around.

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 1:29 pm

 

194. Connie, what I meant by that was we value the privacy of the readers here, and would never give out any sort of information that would compromise them in any way. Had Linn not already given information that backed up what her IP says, we would not have said anything.

     Both Dawn and I have already pointed this out on other occasions and let’s let this be the end of it.

     Comment by k — September 10, 2008 @ 1:39 pm

 

195. Latest strangeness in Caylee Anthony story: Coverage has made house a tourist destination for Alzheimer’s patients…
     Story here:
     http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/09/never-underesti.html

     WESH-Channel 2 replayed part of NeJame’s interview on Wednesday’s “Today” and supplemented it with a local interview. NeJame said the grandparents haven’t made one penny on the story.

     That information contrasted with a WESH report late Tuesday about all the offers coming in to the firm of attorney Jose Baez, who is representing Caylee’s mother, Casey Anthony. There are money offers for interviews, book deals, movies (big screen and small), even a pay-per-view offer from overseas.

     It just gets weirder and weirder.
     Maybe Casey is going to her attorneys all day to wait on all the offers coming in….lol

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 1:42 pm

 

196. K,
     I did!

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 1:46 pm

 

197. Ah, lunch with the blog.

     It is not unusual for offers for the story to be made. Scott Peterson got them, OJ got them, there is always someone out there who wants to sensationalize a terrible tragedy for their benefit. They can’t write the story without paying the person – well, they can but not with the information they want to buy; pictures or whatever. It is a common happening and nothing new for this case.

     If Jose Baez is an ethical attorney, which there is no evidence that he isn’t, he is receiving the offers and filing them away because that is his duty. He might present them or mention them but I would be shocked if he was really looking at them as a legitimate deal right now.

     Those who believe that Mr. Baez is spending the days with Casey doing “the nasty” or whatever – come on!! He is not a sleezy attorney in an office all by himself. He is in a business office with secretaries, other attorneys, and others in and out. I doubt he, himself, talks to Casey all day every day. I do think that he probably is giving her a safety net every day at his office. Why, I don’t know. Maybe to keep her as safe as he can, maybe to prevent her from going off the deep end and saying things that are in fact stupid but will be misconstrued and cause more problems than they are worth. Maybe he is giving Cindy and George a break, maybe he is really trying to keep her on track to get all the information needed to either find Caylee or defend Casey in court.

     Since that attorney client relationship is privileged it just isn’t our business to even ask what they are doing. I don’t think Ms. Baez (if there is one) has much to be concerned about. She gets to spend the money an attorney who is going to gain significant exposure will make.

     I am not at all shocked that the Anthonys are trying to build a fund for finding Caylee and also one for defending their daughter. What else would a parent do. If Casey is charged she will need a good legal team to defend her. Loving parents would want that for their child no matter what they thought in their heart of hearts.
     And attorney’s don’t come cheap.

     Comment by Linn — September 10, 2008 @ 2:17 pm

 

198. I just had a thought. There are some here who have made comments about how Casey wants to be a star and she is making them angry wearing her big sunglasses and all like she is a celebrity.

     Well, what is the name of this blog – GlossLIp – Celebrity gossip from out lips to yours.

     I can assure you I don’t want to have my face on the news – but I do wear big sunglasses. It isn’t an unusual accessory here or in Florida as far as I can tell.

     If the media and protestors were in my yard 24/7, I haven’t a clue how I would act. I think I might try really hard to make them think they were not getting to me at all. If I lost it and got mad, I think I might try to regroup and do better. It seems to me these folks are standing around the house to see the pain – so I wouldn’t give it to them. Besides, my pain would be mine to have in private. We are not all public about our deepest hurts and feelings.

     Comment by Linn — September 10, 2008 @ 2:22 pm

 

199. I am done posting here!!!

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 2:38 pm

 

200. [...] the long-term care of her grandparents (thus possibly setting up the murder of little Caylee for revenge), it’s now being revealed that people actually want to pay Casey for her story: A spokesman [...]

     Pingback by GlossLip » Focus Should Remain On Caylee Anthony As The Case Gets Stranger — September 10, 2008 @ 2:54 pm

 

201. Well, Connie, I am sorry you feel that way. I was just making sure that people knew my intentions, that is all. I hope you reconsider as we do like debate, as long as it stays civil.

     Comment by k — September 10, 2008 @ 2:59 pm

 

202. Dearest Caylee,

     I am so sorry that you have to see, from above, all the frenzy of what is happening all around your Mommy today.

     I watched your Mommy come out of jail, and even recorded it. Not even sure why I did record it because my heart just sank deep into the ocean floor when I saw a piece of a video of you and some newly release pictures.

     What made it so difficult for me Caylee, is knowing your grandparents sold your soul to the media to get money. This is what made me so sick to my stomach, I just needed to come here for you, just for you.

     Did you see all the people and media on the street where you lived and played? There are so many people there, some even with signs for your Mommy to tell someone where you are. All these people Caylee, are there for YOU, all of them want to know where you are so you can be brought back home.

     Actually, you will never be brought back home, or back into the nice house you had your bed, toys and the little dogs and cats, who always watched over you. But you will be brought back, for sure, and the world will be so happy that you have been found.

     There are so many people who are looking for you, all under the wings of “Tim Miller”, who also lost a child 24 years ago. Mr. Miller is not going to give up on you sweet Caylee, Mr. Miller is more determined now then ever to find you.

     I didn’t realize until today, how your Mommy got out of jail based on the “anonymous” donors, but now we all know it is your grandparents. I have to admit Caylee, I am quite mad, because this $50,000.00 would have benefited Mr. Miller more to search for you, and find you somewhere below, rather then your Mommy spending time comfy in her parent home, spending time on the computer and seeing Mr. Baez, but never, ever asking for permission to go and search for YOU. I am so sorry Caylee, that you don’t see your mother, or grandparents out looking for you.

     I just read that your grandparents received a million dollars for your pictures, video and some time with your grandparents, and another media company offered your grandparents a million dollars so they can write a book.

     Remember Mr. Padilla, who came all the way from California to help find you? Yes, I know he bailed your Mommy out of jail the first time, but Mr. Padilla felt certain your Mommy would tell him where to find you. You know that didn’t happen because you would be home now, but Mr. Padilla mentioned last night (Thursday) that a book deal was in the making and perhaps a movie and he was so right, so darn right!

     Mr. Padilla really cares about you Caylee, and has offered $50,000.00 cash to the person who has you. No strings attached, no police, just Leonard and the mystery person. Well Caylee, we know no one has you but the dear Lord, and unless the dear Lord can show Mr. Padilla you are safe, we know the only way to find you is by the people looking for you.

     I wish Mr. Padilla would donate that $50,000 to Tim Miller with Equusearch so they can get more people out to find you. I sent Mr. Padilla a comment on his MY Space page asking him to donate the money so people can continue to find you.

     Oh, sweet, precious Caylee, I have known since day one you were gone and knew you were safe and content in the dear Lord’s arms. But today, I am deflated, devastated, sick, shock, angry and every single emotion I can possible think of knowing your “grandparents sold your soul”, I just can’t believe this happened.

     We all love you Caylee and are praying for you to be found and brought back to all of us!

     Comment by Connie — September 10, 2008 @ 3:03 pm

 

203. connie that is soooo sad.
     it is sooo sad to think that this little child was thrown away like a bag of garbage by her mother who as it seems by her own comments, that she was extreamly jealous of her daughter.
     she treated the pizza that was in the trunk of the car better than she treated her child

     Comment by gail — September 10, 2008 @ 3:20 pm

 

204. casey will never tell where she buried caylee. to do so would mean that she is guilty of murder and get a death sentance…. then she won’t have the chance to party and drink away the millions she gets for selling her story.

     Comment by gail — September 10, 2008 @ 3:43 pm

 

205. The Anthony’s are creating this fire themselves by continuing to cover for their POS daughter. The right thing to do is stop covering for her ass and make her pay for her mistakes. Right now Casey is getting her freedom…Caylee will never have that again. I applaud the protestors, if I lived near them I would be out there everyday being the voice for Caylee.Those people love Caylee more than her own family ever did. RIP Caylee – We love you baby

     Comment by FrytheBitch — September 10, 2008 @ 4:24 pm

 

206. Linn, thanks for sharing your fashion secrets, personally I dislike wearing big sunglasses I just don’t look good in them. Sorry I couldn’t help myself. Any ideas concerning the scratches on the car? I’ve read that the scratches on the car are on the outside near the trunk. Are they old scratches or new? Seems strange, I’m sure if there was a pattern to the scratches the investigaters would maybe think they occured when something was placed in the trunk or removed from the trunk. But if they are random both in size, shape and occur in more than a few places about the only thing that could cause them would be branches or limbs. Just an idea. Any thoughts?

     Comment by J D — September 10, 2008 @ 5:02 pm

 

207. One more thought concerning Georges hidden gun. I assume he had the proper permits and such being he’s an excop but why was it found where it was found. Please play along, the hand gun was for self defense I guess, to protect his family and himself from carjackers and robbers and real bad people. Why not have the gun in the glove compartment, easily accessible during a life and death situation but no George carries his gun in the spare tire compartment in the rear of the vehicle. Yes that makes sense to me.

     Comment by J D — September 10, 2008 @ 5:28 pm

 

208. JD – some times I wonder about you. But today – well I am so happy you appreciated my fashion secrets. It just makes me laugh what some folks get all worked up over.

     I am not aware of the scratches on the car. I know branches can scratch a car – mine is a good example. Since we live in a mountain area we go camping a lot and the branches have gotten us. But, they are very superficial – just lines on the finish; not through the paint.

     My other thoughts about scratches – parking lots, getting the mower out around a parked car, lots of scratches for lots of reasons so I wouldn’t expect it to yield much information.

     About George’s gun. My dad – years ago (he has been gone for 15 years) – kept a pistol in the wheel well of the trunk. We didn’t need it for safety, as you might these days, but he liked to shoot when we were out sometimes. So, to keep it from being in the hands of curious kids he kept it in the trunk and we didn’t have access to the keys. I guess the answer is why did George have the gun.

     Comment by Linn — September 10, 2008 @ 8:07 pm

 

209. I’m not worked over up anything, well except the murder and the coverup in Florida. My theory and its just a theory is that the scratches were caused by branches when Casey took a trip out into the boonies and as for Georges gun, well if he had been keeping it in the house than that would be a no no concerning the conditions of Casey’s release.

     Comment by JD — September 10, 2008 @ 8:42 pm

 

210. I meant to say “I’m not worked up over anything”, instead of “I’m not worked over up anything”, Clearly this case is causing me to go insane. I wonder if I can sue the Anthonys for making me crazy? I’ll have to look into it when their cold hard cash comes rolling in.

     Comment by JD — September 10, 2008 @ 9:40 pm

 

211. JD – I don’t think you are worked up. I was actually referring to posts and comments on news from callers about Casey wearing big sunglasses like she is a star – and they are so mad about that. It just seems so insignificant in the scheme of things. I care less about what she wears – just that she wears something.

     The branches could have scratched the car if she went to the boonies. I go to the boonies a lot – but I suspect that is not typical in that area. I do wonder one thing though – how do the people, like Nancy Grace know that driving to the airport area, the park, or near the University is outside of her normal routine. I don’t think anyone has identified a normal day for her – because they also keep asking what she did when she wasn’t working. Maybe she was hiding in the woods – has anyone looked for a meth lab or other odd druggie things there??

     But JD – I agree – I hope LE is looking at the scratches and all. These things become part of the “facts” if they can provide good evidence there.

     Now, have a good night and don’t get worked over by anything.

     Comment by Linn — September 10, 2008 @ 10:09 pm

 

212. I don’t usually put out my theories. However, I wonder who called in the tip about the gun. My thought is, that George didn’t think about the gun and then remembered it was there (wherever it was). He then moved it to the trunk and called in the tip himself so LE would come get it. Hopefully so his gun did not cause Casey problems.

     Or, it was already in the trunk and he called and asked LE to come get it.

     I don’t know how Florida’s wording is about guns when people are on probation, house arrest or etc. Here, it is that the person can not have access to the gun. I do know felons who are on parole that live in homes where guns are locked up in gun cabinets. The court knows they are there and so do the PO’s. The felon just doesn’t have a key or access. I am sure that this is allowed or not allowed on a case by case basis – but I think the judge was right to not violate Casey if her dad just didn’t think about the gun and then called it in.

     Comment by Linn — September 10, 2008 @ 10:14 pm

 

213. Linn, I’m to the point now where nothing would surprise me in this “epic”. Sometimes I wonder what in the hell this world is coming to, now we have book, movie and pay per view deals being offered with millions of dollars on the table, protesters wanting to burn people at the stake, live twenty four hour a day webcam’s, a mother who refuses to talk and lost in all this mess is an innocent little girl. In times like these I wonder if we’ve completely lost what little we have left of our humanity.

     Comment by JD — September 11, 2008 @ 1:12 am

 

214. The words that don’t seem to fit in with all of the elaberate storys or lies “she’s close” and “close to home”. Could these be a shred of the truth or was she in her own sick way trying to comfort members of her family? Out of every lie she has told why say that Caylee is close to home? Any ideas? Is there anybody out there?

     Comment by JD — September 11, 2008 @ 1:28 pm

 

215. Wow book and movie deals? I bet Casey is smiling now.
     That is sick!!
     This would all be over if Casey would just grow up and tell the police what she did to Caylee and where she is. Who does she think she is?
     The trial is not until Nov. I really hope the police have LOTS more evidence and they nail her. I want to see the look on her face when the judge bangs his hammer and says guilty to murder!!
     IMO Casey is a awful mommy and a awful human being!
     Apparently Caylee meant nothing to her. That innocent lil girl looks so happy in the pics and videos, I hate to think of what happen to her the day she walked out of gramma and grampas house for the last time.

     Comment by star — September 11, 2008 @ 1:56 pm

 

216. Who would possibly want to see a movie or read a book about all these lies. It’s all free on the internet. The Anthony’s would never sign off on a book deal or movie deal that contained the truth. They are all about the lies. If Casey and any others involved get what is coming to them in this life it might be worth watching or reading but the lies to cover their butts and their public reactions concerning the loss of Caylee is just sickening.

     Comment by jh — September 11, 2008 @ 5:39 pm

 

217. The only book I would read would be one that studies the what, why, and how do we keep this from occurring again.

     I do think that Casey’s lies contain parts of the truth – that is partially why she seems to be able to remember enough of them to keep it going. (Most people’s memory just isn’t that good)
     I think that is what Cindy meant when she called Casey’s lies, “half-truths”. She knows Casey and no doubt has experienced figuring out the piece of truth and separating it from the BS.

     JD, I have also wondered about the words – “She is close”. At first I thought maybe she had “given” Caylee to someone in the general area and knew who but didn’t want to let her parents get Caylee. If Caylee was being placed with someone the grandparents may have had a chance in court to get her themselves.

     Now, I wonder if she was giving a clue about the body. But then where? She isn’t that smart. I just don’t know. But I do think there are clues in what she says – just figure them out and be a genius.

     I have a lot more questions than answers, or even good ideas. I think that is where people might read a book about this someday – it is one of those really unbelievable cases that many are going to want to know more about. Unfortunately there is many out there who like the sensational, the sick, and the vile.

     Comment by Linn — September 11, 2008 @ 9:26 pm

 

218. I think there might be a clue in the tattoo Casey got while her daughter was “missing”. I outlined it in this article, but I have no clue if it actually has any merit or not, it’s just a hunch.

     But from what I’ve read, many times people who (allegedly) murder (for whatever reason) can’t help but leave little clues.

     Comment by k — September 11, 2008 @ 9:38 pm

 

219. With all of the wild theories and speculation that’s out there, we need to remember some things that are very important and central to this case. Keep in mind that the last person to see this child alive was the mother and the child was missing for approximately five weeks.

     1-Strong human decomposition smell in car the mother was using.
     2-Cadaver dog hits(two separate dogs, two separate hits at two separate sites).
     3-Confirmation, after analysis of gases, liquid and solid matter(including DNA), that confirms that the decomposing body of Caylee Anthony was in the car that her mother was using.
     4-The behavioral history and current chronic, pathological lying, all pointing to NPD, HISTRONIC.

     Law Enforcement are taking the necessary time to make the charges very solid for murder. And Florida is a death penalty state for this type of premeditated murder.

     From the very beginning of this case, Dr. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, an expert criminal profiler, has been the most accurate describing the behavior patterns of Casey Anthony.

     Where Casey Anthony believes she’ll spend the remainder of her life and where she’ll ACTUALLY BE for the rest of her life are…..NOT THE SAME, BY ANY MEANS.

     GOD BLESS YOU, CAYLEE MARIE, MAY YOU BE LOVED AND WITH OUR LORD FOREVER.

     Comment by Steven — September 12, 2008 @ 12:18 am

 

220. Linn, I can say that I’ve been losing sleep over the “she’s close” comments made by Casey. For sure they just don’t seem to fit with all of the other lies. K, I definitely think that “bella vida” is more than just a tattoo. Its also my understanding that this tattoo was in honor of Caylee, I’m not sure when or where I came across the article concerning the tattoo and thinking about what it could mean in Caseys mind makes me shiver.
     Great post Steven.

     Comment by J D — September 12, 2008 @ 12:51 am

 

221. Yes, the tattoo, the “she is close” and the post on her website about “Power brings consequences”, and “everyone lies and everyone dies” even in a distorted mind as hers probably has some meaning. But as for me if there is never justice and truth for Caylee I wouldn’t be interested.

     Comment by jh — September 12, 2008 @ 1:02 am

 

222. Steven,
     What you say has merit – but I think we need to remember that some of this is not fact – but reports from an unknown “insider”.

     Cindy did say the car smelled like a dead body had been in it – and I think she should have some sense of this. But I understand she worked in a Dr. Office and so she may not have a lot of death experience. No one with a “trained nose” has verified that.

     Cadaver dogs hit – however, they dug in the yard where the dog hit and I have not heard that this yielded anything. The results of other tests have not been released as far as I know.

     The only “real” information given has been from the “Body Farm” – other has been inuendo and info from that “inside” source. Oh, and the statement that the hair was either Casey’s or Caylee’s.

     I don’t think we know enough about her “behavioral history” to make a diagnosis. Her current lying (pathological?) is very concerning and certainly indicates a serious issue. I am not sure that I am ready to say it is pathological = it may just be self preservation lying. We just don’t have the information.

     Again, I don’t think that the psychologist on Nancy Grace has any real ethics given that she is so quick to diagnose without the benefit of even meeting the person. She is all about publicity just like Nancy and Padilla. I do not know an ethical professional who would do that – most take several meetings before they will give a diagnosis. I think she needs to be brought before her professional board.

     But yes, she does have some characteristics.

     Comment by Linn — September 12, 2008 @ 1:43 am

 

223. I wonder if they have thought of talking to the person that did the tattoo? Maybe she said something about WHY she was getting it? I mean they do take a while to complete, i cant believe she sat there and didnt say anything.

     Steven: I cant believe after all this info, Cindy is still walking around saying that lil Caylee is alive and what happen to the kidnappers George told us about?

     Comment by star — September 12, 2008 @ 8:23 am

 

224. Linn:

     An attorney asked Orange County Sheriff’s Detective Yuri Melich what was found.

     “I actually went into the car to smell what the smell smelled like,” Melich said. “Before, just before I came into (my current position), I was a homicide detective for two years with the Orange County Sheriff’s Office and in my experience, the smell that I smell inside that car was of decomposition.”

     Hair – yes Caylee and Casey’s hair could be in the trunk…BUT not hair from a decomposing corpse, they can tell if the hair came from a living or dead person.

     Dog hits – that is what these dogs are trained for and 2 dogs hit in the same spots. (as far as the yard…she could of left a body there for a few hours and then moved it and there would be a smell left.)

     Body Farm – this is what they do for a living. I mean either there was a dead body or there was not.

     Cindy herself – ok…I would not know if Cindy ever had access to what a dead body smells like. But if she has, i am sure she would remember that smell.

     **I am no expert on decomp….but living in a rural area…when there is an dead animal around and it’s a hot day…..you know it’s there way before you see it…it is a HORRIBLE smell.

     IMO there are more than a FEW facts here. I believe the police have more info, they are just waiting for her trial.

     Comment by star — September 12, 2008 @ 8:50 am

 

225. I firmly believe that Caylee is dead, and that Casey is totally responsible. I understand that the Anthonys have said some really stupid things, that make no sense, but I am outraged that anyone could put a tombstone in their front yard. That is just going to far and in such bad taste. These grandparents are in total denial, and cannot begin to see the truth, even though it is staring them right in the face. There are ways of protesting without doing such cruel, and heartless things.

     Comment by abby — September 12, 2008 @ 9:40 am

 

226. Linn,

     You may not be Cindy but you are definitely a shill on the payroll. Your comments have arisen since the parent’s representation and mirror your employer’s comments too closely. I respect Nejame and his goals and at this time he “seems” smart and more importantly sincere. You however (Linn) post way too much (showing an agenda and stake) with no true regard really for the truth or Caylee. Stop trying to make buddies and just do what you are being paid to do where ever you are doing it. UR connected period!

     With that said…

     Welcome again our paid participant; I do believe that you are right. If we leave the parents alone they will be left to grieve with no distraction and will eventually get their hooks into the SKELL Casey. Keep in mind that the protesters are there for Casey and the parents are really just putting themselves in the way!

     Enabler parents always put themselves in the way of the maturation process! Now it is too late and Cindy is in way too deep! They should tell her what they did before she killed the baby. I don’t care where you stay, just not here!

     This caper started with denial and will end in denial regardless of the verdict. Casey’s fault & the constant enabling did not help did it Cindy!

     Comment by MS — September 12, 2008 @ 12:09 pm

 

227. Gosh, MS – I sure would like to see that money I am being paid.
     I am not a shill or a friend, or even remotely connected to this case any more than you are.

     I am an interested third party and I lose sleep over the loss of children just as much, and often more, than most others. I say more than most others because I have had the sad experience of standing by with nothing to do but wait until an abused child passes on. They are experiences that never leave me and I have realized never will.
     I guess I post and read a lot partially as a way to try to make sense of not only this but a lot of other children’s pain. And – I am veryh interested in how people think about these things and how the general public responds and why.

     Star, I missed that Deputy’s statement. I am sure he has experience and may well be right. I am just saying that I am a biggie on proof – the facts and a nose doesn’t give that. You can’t say it in court and have it allowed. So, yes, I think he knows but I am not going to expect loving grandparents to accept that Caylee is gone just from that. I think they have the belief she is gone in the back of her mind but are holding on to that last hope that it won’t be. Why is it so important to John Q Public that they get through their grief and express it in a way that John Q Public want them to. In my hour of grief I don’t want a bunch of people who don’t know me watching with eyes that are there only to judge.

     No one, has shown that the hair was from a decomposing corpse. There was some decomp on the hair – which, from my sources (live detectives I have worked with) could be from a hair with a root attached. Hair with root can be from a comb or many other sources so this is not proof of death.

     The Body Farms work is new and I am sure is going to be heavily challenged. There is not, from what I can find, enough studies of other decomp and air samples.

     And yes, decomp of a body or any critter or person is a horrible smell – but there are not many noses that can tell the difference for certain. I realize that this is a blog and we can form our own opinions and ideas; for me, I don’t do that until I have all the evidence. So far that isn’t there – yes, there is serious info and I agree that it points to Caylee being gone from this world. I don’t think that means the grandparents “have” to accept it right now. If it were my grandchild I don’t know that I would.

     Bottom line for me – the protestors might be there to try to get to Casey. It isn’t working. It most likely will never work the way they want it to. And I believe that many are there for their own sick needs. What makes these people believe that they are powerful and savvy enough to do what LE and trained investigators can’t do. No, they are people who have issues of their own they are trying to deal with through someone else’s pain and tragic life.

     As for enabler parents – we are all enablers to some degree. But, unless you have known Casey and her family for most of her life, you don’t have the facts to call them enablers in a bad sort of way. We have no information on what the family has done or tried to do to help Casey be a productive person, or what they have done to try to deal with her lying and other behaviors. I strongly believe that laying blame on the parents is doing absolutely no good and is only making things worse.

     Think about it – what is the normal human reaction when a person feels strongly about something and someone tries to force them to change – they dig in their heels and fight for their own belief. Why would the Anthonys be any different. Besides, they want their grand daughter to be alive and they have every right to have that hope.

     Comment by Linn — September 12, 2008 @ 1:12 pm

 

228. After listening to the audio recordings of Casey and the detective’s I would like people to take a look at post #63, #65 and #72,#75 It seems that the broken gas gauge, “bad sensor” that Cindy spoke of wasn’t repaired after all. Casey tells detectives that she ran out of gas because of a bad gauge. “Sensor” That is why the car was found where it was. Now on national television Cindy Anthony told the world that Casey stealing gas cans was “no big deal” because the car had faulty gauge and that IT WAS LATER REPAIRED. So who is lying Cindy or Casey? Did she use the gas for the car or something else? Its also interesting that one of the investigaters tells Casey that everyone including her parents know that she’s lying.

     Comment by J D — September 12, 2008 @ 8:39 pm

 

229. I need to check out the gauge story better. Depending on the time line – it means something or doesn’t. When was what said to whom??

     As for the detective saying even the grandparents know she is lying – police lying during an interview is a well used and known tactic. It means nothing in my opinion.

     Actually, the fact that people fall for the police’s lies so often amazes me more than the fact that they tell people things that may not really be factual.

     I noted in the interview that they told Casey that she wasn’t on the tape at SawGrass Apt. Then say that the Apt keeps them for 3 or 4 days (as I recall). Anyway – it had been a month or more since Casey claimed to be there. Another trick by the detective or do they have those tapes of the day that Casey says she was there?
     I find it odd that in such a low income place as many have said SawGrass is that they would have working cameras recording everything – but maybe it is the law in Florida as the cop said.

     Comment by Linn — September 12, 2008 @ 10:21 pm

 

230. Linn…I guess we can only hope that the detectives and/or police have lots more info and are waiting for the trial. In the beginning i had a bad feeling about lil Caylee. I like everyone else on this page had hoped that Caylee would be found alive. I hate to admit but with the evidence they have shared with us(especially the decomp) I now believe Caylee is gone. IMO Casey was the last to see her and knows what happen and where she is. I dont think George, Cindy and Lee were involved but i think they know now.

     Comment by Star — September 12, 2008 @ 10:25 pm

 

231. Casey, you need to grow up! You are acting like a spoiled child! It is fact you were the last person to see lil Caylee and with the facts out there, it is obvious that you have harmed Caylee and dropped her off like trash.
     Proud of yourself Casey? How long will this go on? You running the show!
     Cindy, you need to grow up also! Out there waving your hammer around, yelling and swearing at people. Cindy, these people are sick that your sweet lil Caylee is missing! Strangers, more upset than Caylee’s own family! Sad, so sad!! You dont like hearing Casey called a baby killer? Then you need to get in your daughter’s face and demand to know what happen to Caylee.(IMO You and George and Lee already know what happen and Casey is sitting in that house smiling, knowing she has gotten away with her daughter’s disappearance and probable death so far.)

     I hope they have LOTS more info and send Casey away for a long, long time. If Cindy and George and Lee know, then i hope they send them away also.

     Comment by star — September 14, 2008 @ 3:15 pm

 

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233. OMG!!! At first I thought she was crying and after reading the comments about the picture I took a second look and she IS def smiling. How sick and disgusting! Is there the dealth penalty in Florida??

     Comment by Jennifer — September 19, 2008 @ 1:28 pm

 

234. [...] Cindy appears to be very passive-aggressive, with a great example being the message she left on MySpace (since scrubbed): She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious [...]

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235. I have read all of the posts in this blog, and like everyone else, I have been following this case since the beginning. I have family in Orlando, and lived there myself for more than ten years, more than likely moving back soon. I have a few comments of my own to add, and also what I think is a good possibility of events leading to Caylee’s disappearance.

     First of all, reading one of the entries above, it was the first time I heard of scratches on the car and I thought I had read close to everything out there. Does anyone have a link to that report?

     Secondly, Linn mentioned something about no one saying the hair was from a decomposing corpse. They did prove, however, that the fluid, the “stain” in the truck was from fluids from a decomposing body. When a corpse decomposes, fluids are released from the sinuses and throat and it happens pretty quickly after death. (this I have seen first hand) Also, there was a report that I read that said they matched the hair to Caylee from known Caylee DNA. Where they got the confirmed Caylee DNA is a question. It has been implied it was provided by a family member, possibly Lee? This is why it has been stated by LE that Caylee is deceased. Caylee is the body that was in the trunk, which is what most of us has believed since the beginning.

     I do have questions about other things that have come up in recent developments that have given me pause. I recall Cindy saying that she couldn’t find her daughter (in one of the 911 calls), and then stated that she just found her daughter and now her granddaughter is missing. I believe that the comment Cindy left on her Myspace was an attempt to get Casey to bring her home. At first, I felt sorry for Cindy. I am a grandmother also. My daughter had my granddaughter very young, so I also went through the money thefts, the partying, etc that Cindy went through with Casey and I financially took care of both of them until my daughter was old enough to get a place of her own. She still, at the age of 26, has her regressions. So I could identify with what Cindy was feeling, in the beginning. Now, I believe as you all do, Cindy is trying to help Casey get away with what she has done. Maybe not intentionally, maybe she is a bit out of touch with reality right now, who’s to say. But the thing that makes me think she’s helping Casey is this. Cindy stated in the 911 call that she hasn’t been able to find her daughter in, I believe, a month. But in an interview with Lee, he stated that his monther had constant contact with Casey through the month of June and into July. The two stories don’t jive. Cindy’s story changed. In not just this instance, but in many others. Pizza in a hot car here in florida does NOT, in any way, smell like a decomposing body. My kids have left all manner of foods in my car that I only found once they started to stink, and never once, not even when a burger was left in the car, did my car smell like a decomposing body, and it gets to over 140 degrees, very quickly, in the SHADE in the summers down here in a closed up vehicle. It was a body. The cadaver dogs are trained to “hit” only on human remains. They would never have hit on pizza. And how would the “pizza” have gotten into the back yard as well, and then back into the car? that wasn’t what they hit on, plain and simple.

     I think it’s a possiblity that Caylee drowned in the pool while her mother was otherwise occupied. On the internet, the phone, whatever. The ladder was back on the pool after Cindy recalls removing it and the gate to the yard where the pool is was open. Caylee liked the pool, mommy wasn’t paying attention to her so she decided to entertain herself, as two year olds will do. Maybe when Casey realized she was missing she found her in the pool, and knowing that this would prove her mother was right calling her an unfit mother caused her to cover it up. She borrowed the shovel, buried Caylee in the backyard, probably near her playhouse. (not sure where the cadaver dogs hit in the back yard, but I believe it was close to there.) I think she gave it some serious thought about what to do, knowing it would be the first place LE would look. The neighbor said she backed into the garage three different times. I think she put Caylee in her trunk some time after that, maybe even that same day, drove around with her in the trunk looking for a place to put her, which is how her DNA got in the trunk. I think it’s a very real possibility that she also brought Caylee BACK to the back yard. I read that there was a concrete slab poured in the Anthony’s back yard on July 4th. If Casey knew this was going to happen, she could have very easily buried Caylee where she knew the slab was going to be and maybe that’s why she says she’s “close to home” and also why she isn’t concerned about her body being found. Just a thought. It’s also possible she is buried not far from the house. There is an area behind the Anthony’s house that was recently a construction site. There was nothing but sand, a pond and some trees that separated the back of that whole street from the school not far from there. I have wondered if that area has been searched.

     Well, I guess this is long enough. I am hoping to get some time off work to go to Orlando and join the search teams that are still looking for poor Caylee. If I hear anything of interest that may not be in the news while I am there I will post it.

     K and D, thanks for a good blog. It is one of the few where the large majority of the posters seem relatively intelligent. A large amount of the others I have read had a bunch of morons just making a bunch of noise. Keep up the good work.

     Caylee is in all our prayers and I hope that her poor little body is found soon so she may rest in peace. She deserves that, at the very least.

     Comment by Chris — October 1, 2008 @ 9:49 pm

 

236. I have to add, since I know that someone will most likely mention this, it is also a very real possibility that Casey has been planning this whole thing for months. The search on the missing children websites, the search for Zenaida Gonzalez on the internet, etc. that does point to that. That being said, I don’t believe that LE is going to charge her with murder until they have more substantial evidence. All the evidence so far is circumstantial and they won’t want her to walk, just in case later on there is irrefutable evidence. They would not be able to prosecute her a second time due to the Double Jeopardy law.

     Yes, Florida does have the death penalty, but without the body, it will be hard, if not imposible to get the death penalty. Life, maybe, but not the death penalty. After all the chasing of tails Casey has put LE through since the very beginning, they’re going to want to nail her to the wall. Circumstantial evidence is not “beyond a shadow of a doubt”.

     Comment by Chris — October 1, 2008 @ 10:02 pm

 

237. Just wondering…I posted at least two comments last night that appered on this site. They are no longer there? There aren’t any comments from October 3rd? Can anyone tell me if it’s deleted if I used caps in a portion of my comment?

     Comment by shelly — October 4, 2008 @ 9:31 am

 

238. Just wanted to give MARY,BELLA & WKWAI
     something fun to read..

     NANA NANA WIGN LOL@YOU

     Comment by WIGN — July 22, 2009 @ 2:44 am

 

239. Poor Bella
     She is running out of stuff to read..:)

     Comment by WIGN — July 22, 2009 @ 1:08 pm

 

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