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10/10/2008 (10:48 am)

Caylee Anthony Update: Casey Anthony Finally Wants To “Help” Search

Just a quick update on the continuing case of missing toddler Caylee Anthony, and her mother Casey, who continues to maintain her innocence in the face of ever-mounting evidence against her.

First, Casey wants her house arrest terms to be lightened up, so that she can get out there and visit certain places, presumably to “help” find her daughter:

A hearing on the motions is scheduled for 10:30 a.m. Friday at the Orange County Courthouse in Orlando. Anthony made a brief visit with her home confinement manager on Monday morning, and then went to her attorney’s office in Osceola.

While with her home confinement manager, she mapped out where she could go this week and when. Any violation of that schedule would send her back to jail. [...]

As early as this weekend, the head of Texas Equusearch said he’d like to resume his group’s recovery efforts in and around Orlando. He said he would love to have Anthony’s help.

“If she said she was willing to take us to areas of interest, I’d be on the next plane out,” Tim Miller said. [...]

Baez turned down an interview request but his spokesman said Anthony is not interested in helping Texas Equusearch as that would be equivalent to admitting her daughter is dead. The spokesman said she is only interested in pursuing live sightings.

Yet another slap in the face to Texas EquuSearch, who’s only purpose is to get out there and find missing children. Casey wants to be able to visit “key points of interest” in the case. I think that’s great, but only if she leads them to where she hid Caylee’s body, because that’s the only point of interest I think she knows about.

Also, last Friday, Casey was named an official suspect in her daughter’s disappearance:

Anthony, 22, was previously called a “person of interest” by investigators looking into what happened to 3-year-old Caylee Marie.

Sheriff’s spokesman Capt. Angelo Nieves said Thursday there was no new evidence to prompt the change — just a culmination of several factors, including Anthony’s persistent deception.

He cited “the subsequent totality of those deceptive responses, lies, uncooperativeness, coupled with the investigative efforts that are still ongoing in this investigation, cause her to be a suspect in the continuing missing-person investigation,” in an e-mail to the Orlando Sentinel explaining the change.

That’s actually a very good summation.

The prayer vigil, usually held in the front yard of the Anthony home, has now been moved to a nearby church in hopes that the protesters will be kept at bay:

Caylee’s grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, thanked the crowd for its support and told it how difficult the past months of worry have been. Friday, for instance, “I think I cried probably 23 out of 24 hours,” Cindy Anthony said.

Caylee was reported missing in mid-July, and her mother, Casey, this month was named a suspect in the disappearance.

Nonetheless, the couple encouraged people to keep their faith that Caylee, 3, would return safely to her family in east Orange County. Cindy Anthony also said they should not believe media coverage of the case — presumably the reporting of investigators’ suggestion that Caylee may be dead — that she says is “fabricated.” [...]

Previously, vigils were held in front of the Anthonys’ home, but the location was moved to deter protesters who have denounced the family and demanded that Casey Anthony cooperate with detectives.

While I believe that the Anthony family know more than they are letting on, I also believe that they are struggling with the fact that little Caylee is gone. It is entirely possible to have both emotions working within oneself at the same time…guilt (for whatever reason) and grief can run parallel to each other. I just hope they come to their senses before it is too late, because if they do know more than they are telling then it is better to get it out now than in a court of law. And I do wish they would stop bucking against the police. It is working totally against them and making them out to be totally unsympathetic figures.

Speaking of which, charges are expected to be filed in a couple of cases concerning the Anthonys and undisciplined protesters:

The Orange County Sheriff’s Office will file charges against two protesters for misdemeanor battery. The sheriff’s office said the protesters lost control and committed an act of violence on George and Cindy Anthony.

Kathy Harris confronted George Anthony while he was asking supporters for donations and getting the word out about his granddaughter Caylee. Harris is from a new, organized group of protesters called Justice For Caylee. The group has logos and a new sign.

Harris followed Anthony to the location he was raising funds, because she wanted to know why he isn’t looking for the child and instead asking others to do it for him. George Anthony called deputies for help when the exchange got ugly.

“They want the right to show their side and what they believe. That’s what we’re asking too,” Harris said.

She believes the child is dead and it’s time to look for Caylee and prosecute her mother, the person they think is responsible.

“Someone just disposed of this body like it was trash and there is no justice for this baby,” she said.

Meanwhile, Orange County investigators got the last piece of evidence they need to move forward on charges against two protestors. Video at the Anthony house shows one protester pull George by the shirt and another push Cindy Anthony. The two protesters face misdemeanor battery charges.

“This is a reminder, don’t commit a battery, have control of yourself,” Detective Freddie Sams said.

I couldn’t have said it better myself. Protesting peacefully and lawfully is one thing, acting like a thug is another. No matter what you believe the Anthony family should or should not be doing, there is a line that should never be crossed.

Casey has been caught on CC cameras purchasing items with a stolen checkbook from her supposed best friend, and has been sighted actually wearing the illegally-purchased items on camera several times now:

Casey Anthony bought 4 pounds of cherries, Popsicles and a bra on sale.

There’s also a blue Mossimo brand hoodie — the one she wore the day she posed for her first jail mugshot — and the oversize white sunglasses she’s often photographed wearing when going to see her attorney.

What these items and a list of others have in common, according to sheriff’s investigators, is that Anthony bought them with hundreds of dollars she stole from her friend Amy Huizenga. [...]

From July 8 to July 12, authorities say, Anthony used Huizenga’s checks to buy more than $400 worth of clothes and groceries at area Target and Winn-Dixie stores, according to police records.

None of the items listed on the receipts appears to have been purchased specifically for a child.

Huizenga told detectives that she had loaned Anthony her vehicle July 8 while she traveled to Puerto Rico. She said Anthony picked her up at Orlando International Airport on July 15.

After talking to Anthony’s mother later that day, Huizenga learned her friend had drained her checking account.

On July 15 — before Caylee was reported missing — Anthony went to a Bank of America branch and withdrew $250 from Huizenga’s checking account by making a check out to herself. She also attempted to pay a $574 AT&T cell-phone bill, but there wasn’t enough money left in Huizenga’s account.

Because buying a bra and a nice hoodie using a fraudulent check are so much more important than looking for your daughter. Oh, and let’s not forget the sunglasses. We absolutely must look good for the cameras. Button your blouse, for cryin’ out loud, you’re supposed to be upset over your missing daughter, not picking up a hot piece.

And finally, a grand jury is to decide whether or not to seek a homicide charge against Casey:

Anthony already is charged with child neglect in the case of her missing 3-year-old, Caylee, who has not been seen since June. Now, sources say, prosecutors will present evidence to a grand jury on Tuesday seeking an indictment, charging Casey Anthony with causing the death of her daughter.

The state attorney’s officce will ask the jury to indict Casey Anthony with homicide-related charges in connection with Caylee’s disappearance. One top investigator said they don’t have a smoking gun. In his words, “We would like to have a body, a crime scene, a confession, or even a witness.”

A spokesman for Casey Anthony’s attorney would only respond by saying that if prosecutors are going to charge her with homicide, they should just do it and lay out the charges.

It has been theorize that both George and Lee Anthony are scheduled to give evidence, so it will be interesting to see what happens there.

It is evident that the noose is beginning to tighten around Casey Anthony. Let’s let the police and law enforcement do their jobs properly and thoroughly without interference. Yes, it might seem to us to be taking an agonizingly long time, but I think the last thing any of us wants is to see Casey walk on a technicality.

We just want Casey to tell the truth. Her daughter deserves at least that.

We are a blog, not hard-hitting news. These are our opinions. GlossLip has continuing coverage of the disappearance of Caylee Anthony here.

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Could Zani the nanny be Zanax that she used as a sedative on little Caylee to keep her out of her way? Just like the rest of the nation, we want this figured out and some closure to this frenzy. Having a perpetual liar for a daughter is something I have become very familiar with - with that in mind, I know there is always the tiniest bit of truth in what she says so Zani could be a clue - other than that lady that she mentioned.

Comment by Darlene — October 10, 2008 @ 11:25 am

The mom and grandmother are both pretty much nut jobs. I think the grandmother means well, but mostly I feel sorry for George living with there two women. The child? Such a darling, but gone for sure. It will make a good movie for sure.

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I break apart when I see that beautiful little girl’s pictures on TV. It is a most complex and sad story. God Bless little Caylee.

Comment by Steve — October 10, 2008 @ 12:22 pm

I am still in shock that the Anthony’s believe Caylee is still alive. I hope to God they do know something we don’t. Now, here’s my questions, if Caylee is alive who’s dead body was in in the trunk of the so-called mother’s car? Also, where is little Caylee going to live? Certainly NOT with any of the whack jobs in the Anthony household!

Comment by Deb — October 10, 2008 @ 12:34 pm

Upon reading the IM messages between Casey and her boyfriend Tony Lazaro right before Caylee went missing, it as clear that Casey found Caylee to be a burden. Having to watch Caylee was cutting into her time with her boyfriend and going out partying. I really think that Casey killed her daughter to be rid of what she considered Caylee to be…a buzz kill. I am confident that eveuntally Caylee’s remains will be found, Casey will be charged with Murder, justice will prevail, and she will be sentenced to life in prison without parole. This woman is a danger to society as she is clearly a sociopath and should be locked up for the rest of her life.

Comment by lissa — October 10, 2008 @ 12:36 pm

Lets not forget how are justice system is supposed to work before we cast judgement in any way. Innocent until proven guilty. The media has clearly chosen a side in this case and this is where all our information is comming from. A grand jury indictment means nothing. It is a one sided (prosecution only) decision based on current evidence as to whether or not there is a potential case. The only clear cut facts of this case are that poor little Caylee is missing and her mom has lied during the investigation. The forensic evidence is all circumstantial and will be disputed by the defenses own expert witnesses. All I can say is I hope they find little Caylee and that she is ok. I imagine there has been some wrong doing in this case but I feel it is foolish for law inforcement to spend all their time building a case against Casey and not following up all potential leads that could bring a happy, healthy Caylee home.

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 12:52 pm

I read on another blog last night that Caylee’s body has already been found….this was reported by someone who has a friend with a father in the Orlando PD. I’m sure we, the public, are not privy to everything that is going on in this case.

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BJ brings up a question I have had recently. IF they did find the body, would we necessarily know about it? Could the police already have the body and not disclosed it, or would that automatically be public information?

Comment by Christine — October 10, 2008 @ 1:21 pm

I believe that upon finding a body, Casey would be arrested immediatly. Orlando law inforcement would not hide this information. They spend all their efforts showing the world the evil side of Casey with video footage of her forging checks at Target. A body would prove them right and get all National attention off their backs.

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 1:26 pm

Besides that, If they found a body anywhere in the vicinity of Orlando, they would have to establish a crime scene which would certainly draw the attention of the media.

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 1:36 pm

Is it possible that Casey witnessed a murder of someone else? She has been known to hang with some shady looking thugs…and then her child was taken in order to keep her quiet??? just hoping that Caley is somehow still alive!!!

Comment by janie — October 10, 2008 @ 1:37 pm

I suppose there are a million possible scenarios as to what happened. I think we all hope that Caylee will be found alive and healthy. The world can be a cruel place and we are all subjected to this daily so our first instinctual reaction is to think the worst.

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 1:42 pm

Janie
if someone took Caylee to keep Casey quiet she would have not been out partying and stealing and dancing on that stripper pole. She would have been a total wreck.

Comment by Lou — October 10, 2008 @ 1:45 pm

Lou, why not, she was out partying it up and it’s looking like she did it? People with sociopathic personality disorders have a way of totally dissassociating themselves from anything painful.

Comment by janie — October 10, 2008 @ 1:52 pm

Breaking news says that Casey’s lawyer may have possesion of a photo of Casey with Caylee and Zenaida!! Hopefully this is the case and will help prove the exsistance of this woman.

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People like Jeff (#8) are excruciatingly annoying. Back away from the mousepad, Jeff, and go find some terrorist bombers’ rights to protect. That’ll put a smile on your face.

Comment by Mindy — October 10, 2008 @ 2:22 pm

I will Mindy. But while i’m doing this, why don’t you join Nancy Grace in her accusational crusade to destroy justice and all that it stands for. Grow up.

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 2:26 pm

Mindy,
Jeff sounds like he might be a previous poster named Linn.

Janie, People are assuming she did it and that is why they think she is a sociopath. I took the whole “sociopath/psychopath” element out of it when you made Casey the victim of someone taking Caylee to keep her quiet.

Comment by Lou — October 10, 2008 @ 2:40 pm

I honestly don’t know who “Linn” is and I swear I have never posted on this site before today. I just get frustrated with people who instantly accuse and I really did not like the insinuation that I would back up a terrorist. I felt that was uncalled for.

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 2:46 pm

To the so-called breaking news on a picture of Zenaida
Gonzalez with Casey and Caylee at the park - that was put out about 5 days ago, at least that is when I read it. Frankly, in these days of instant messaging,
cel phone ability to photograph and transmit, internet, etc nothing has come of this so far. I dont believe it for a second. Today on the hearing some of Baez’s motions were granted - at least on being able to inspect the car, and have access to forensic evidence. The judge did not rule about letting Casey roam around the area with Baez and a bondsman, but I believe he will not allow it. I think the judge was granting these motions because if a grand jury indicts Casey - they will have to turn over all this evidence anyway and that indictment is expected next week. Casey’s trial for the theft charges is November 17th. I dont believe the judge can set a trial date
before January of 2009 if Casey is indicted for murder. The strategy of the State is good - Casey will
be found guilty on the theft charges, (you can
hardly ignore that evidence) and she will then be sentenced and go to jail. And, as she is serving that sentence, for however long that will be, it will put pressure on her to possibly cut a plea deal on the murder charge before her second trial for murder begins. This makes sense because once she is convicted on those theft charges, (which carry sentences as long as 60 years) the psychological
effect on her realization she could face the death penalty might make her take a plea. Of course, that
depends on the murder charges specifically being
for a capital case - which does include the death penalty. If they charge her with involuntary manslaughter, that is a 15 year to life possible
sentence. The overwhelming evidence in the theft
charges, including videos of her calmly kiting those checks - her change of clothing between going to different stores is indisputable. The psychologist
I heard said that sociopaths go on “crime sprees”.
After Casey killed Caylee, that is exactly what she did - she went on a crime spree of stealing the money, cashing checks, and going about her business
of living the “good life”. No remorse, no guilt nothing. How many 22 year olds do you know who could look so preposessing as she did when going into the bank and cashing these checks - she is one cool customer. There is also a possible new motive for her getting rid of Caylee - that is that she was planning along with Amy and some other friends to go
Puerto Rico on a vacation but was unable to get the money out of her parents. She possibly stole from her grandparents that weekend before Fathers Day in June to use some money for that trip, but her mother refused to be responsible for Caylee. So Casey ended up not going. When Cindy found out about the theft,
she actually put her hands around Casey’s neck as if to strangle her. This is according to Lee Anthony’s
sworn testimony. This apparently shook up Casey very much. I think Cindy was at her wits end with Casey.
The next thing that was coming down the road was
Cindy’s going to court to ask for custody and finally throwing Casey out of the house. This accounts for
Casey trying to find some guy to bond with where she could live. However, her mother enabling her with money would come to an end if Cindy was now the legal
custodian of Caylee. Caylee would be the excuse for
Cindy to no longer help Casey. Things came to a head
for Casey on Monday June 16th. According to the tracking of her cel phone pings, George leaves the house around 2:00 on that Monday and around 2:30
Casey goes back to the house. After that there were a flurry of calls and then the pings stop for almost three hours. Then later around 9pm Casey goes to blockbuster and then goes to Tony Lazzaros and spends the night - without Caylee. Caylee is never seen or heard from again. Casey when she left took some of her own clothes, but none of Caylees. During her shopping sprees, she never bought one item for Caylee.
During her partying, drinking, texting, shopping,
tattoing and beauty parlor visits, not once did she look or speak of Caylee. They dont need Caylees
body - as Tim Miller of Equusearch said the other night, a man was recently convicted of killing a child in another state - after one year of searching
they never found the childs body either. But this man
was convicted of murder. Casey Anthony too, will be found guilty of murder, in my opinion.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 10, 2008 @ 2:50 pm

I am in agreement 100% Elaine.

Comment by Lou — October 10, 2008 @ 2:57 pm

Me, too!!!!

Comment by sharebear — October 10, 2008 @ 2:59 pm

To Lou, sorry I couldnt help but comment about
someone taking Caylee to make Casey be quiet.
Even if that were true, if someone took your kid
or your grandkid - and you couldnt for whatever crazy reason tell the authorities - would you act like
Casey did? Would you have gone about your daily business of lying to your parents and friends about having a job, stealing your friends checks, partying
etc? Are these the actions of a person terrified for her child and having to keep quiet? I dont think so.
Casey Anthony is a true sociopath - there are such people. Many many such people. Like Scott Peterson
and Susan Smith and Drew Peterson, and Mark Hacking
who killed his pregnant wife and threw her body in the dump. No, Casey Anthony’s actions- they are on
video tape for Gods sake, are proof of where her
mind-set was - she was FREE of Caylee.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 10, 2008 @ 2:59 pm

Elaines statement sounds solid and probably not far from what the prosecuters will put forward in the trial. I guess what I have been trying to say is, IF Casey is guilty, they really need to find Caylee’s body or I believe it will never stick. If they try this case prematurely, she will walk. Forensic evidence will not be enough and the difficulites in finding an impartial jury will be staggering. It just seems to me that now is the time to chase all leads down as to the whereabouts of Caylee. It benifits both sides.

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 3:04 pm

Casey has kept quiet only to protect herself, because she is a narcissistic person and can only think of herself.

Now she is running out of time and she only wishes to search secretively for two reasons: 1)Delay and throw everyone off course, again, and 2)possibly abscond.

Comment by sharebear — October 10, 2008 @ 3:05 pm

Sorry Jeff, but they dont need Caylees body. They can
get a conviction on circumstantial evidence. A big thing in the prosecutions favor, is that Caylee was a child. An adult or teenager who disappears can be a bigger challenge for the prosecution to prove foul play, but a child does not have the ability to
walk away. Tim Miller’s own daughter was a teenager who disappeared. They finally did find her body - but
never found the murderer. However, the police didnt
want to search for her because she was considered a runaway. If Caylee was kidnapped as the defense will say, then why didnt Casey ever report it? Why did
Casey to all the things that we know she did. Without concern for her daughter? Even with the slightest
bid of forensic evidence in testimony, along with what
her own parents and brother will be forced to testify
to,along with all her friends, regarding her actions, she will be convicted. We who post here and on most of the other sites that I follow this on are just average ordinary people. When faced with this evidence
which has been presented by legal discovery, I cannot
believe that there is a credible scenario that the defense could outline that would get her off or that most of us would buy - care you present one???

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 10, 2008 @ 3:13 pm

I meant to type “would you care to present one”?

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 10, 2008 @ 3:14 pm

GOOD ANALYSIS ELAINE 16!

Comment by MBF — October 10, 2008 @ 3:14 pm

Elaine,
what you say is true. i was responding to janie (posts 14 and 17). I have 3 grown daughters and a 6 year old daughter and I would be a wreck if she was missing regardless of the cirumstances that she was missing. I still even worry about the older ones (21, 19 and 17) I didn’t even want them going out to graduation parties when they graduated. For most “normal” mothers, one of their biggest fears is the fear of losing your child/children.

Comment by Lou — October 10, 2008 @ 3:17 pm

Sorry Im full of typos today - I meant to say above that a bad thing in the defense’s favor is that
Caylee is a child (I typed in prosecutions favor)
sorry about that!

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 10, 2008 @ 3:19 pm

I really do wish I could present one but the defense has kept quiet on what they plan to do. The only evidence that has been made public is all in favor of Casey murdering Caylee. I feel pretty certain that the forensic evidence will easily be disputed. Casey’s friends will easily be discredited and the only thing that will stand is the fact that Caylee is missing and her mom has lied about it. I don’t think that this is enough to convict her of murder. Child neglect is the only thing that will stick with the current evidence and this is why it is her only charge at present besides forgery. When the state turns to a grand jury indictment, it broadcasts to the world that they are proceeding on shakey ground. The amount of police work involved in chasing down evidence on the forgery charge is proof of desperation to hold Casey. She is not going anywhere. Find Caylee. This would bring about the most solid evidence that can be found. I don’t think Casey is a good mom by any standards but I don’t feel she is a murderer either.

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 3:23 pm

Jeff, if you are not Linn you must be one of her or Toms “associates”.

Comment by Lou — October 10, 2008 @ 3:27 pm

Correction…I don’t necessarily feel she is a murderer.

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 3:29 pm

I’m sorry Lou. I’ve never been on this site before. I don’t know these people.

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 3:30 pm

Ok Jeff, how do you explain the decomp in the trunk? How many people are missing in relation to Casey?

Comment by Lou — October 10, 2008 @ 3:33 pm

And Jeff, forgery is a crime. How would you like to have someone esp. your best friend wipe out your bank account?

Comment by Lou — October 10, 2008 @ 3:36 pm

I’m not a forensic expert but usually, the report from tests like this would be a percentage of probability. All the defense has to do is have the same test done by their own team and change the percentage. Suddenly the point is moot. Discrediting forensic evidence is very easy. You can question the manner in which the tests were done, the type of people who performed the test.ect…. Look at the original O.J. trial. Forensic evidence that was “concrete” turned into a joke.

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 3:38 pm

Yes forgery is a crime but it is in no way, murder.

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 3:40 pm

to Jeff or whoever you are - the State did not “turn” to a grand jury - that is the a mandate of their Florida law - that is because before an indictment for murder is charged it must go to the grand jury to see if there is enough evidence. This doesnt mean the case is “shaky” its mandated by that county. The theories presented here in favor of Caseys guilt come from the all documents that have been made public for discovery, those documents
include sworn statements by her parents, brother and intimate friends. Her lies to the police were taped,
her jailhouse conversations were taped, she is caught on video tape committing crimes. How in the world can you say the sworn statements will be disregarded?
On what basis would they be discredited? There are also photographs and statments of when she was partying not just at nightclubs, but at her boyfriends home. Are they all to be discredited?
Her own father must testify before the grand jury.
He will state that Casey stole gas cans from him
and wouldnt let her near the car. In my opinion the Anthonys are quite aware Casey is guilty. So is her brother - who was compelled to give DNA, I wonder why that was. If you are so SURE Casey is being railroaded at least you can come up with a theory as to WHY she has acted in this manner can you? Come on Jeff, give us your reasons for believing otherwise
and dont say there is no proof - because there is LOTS of proof - or the State wouldnt be going for an indictment. Why dont you explain away what we do know,
like - why did she lie to the cops? Why did she steal and shop and party, and never report Casey missing?
Why did the car smell? Why did she abandon the car?
Why didnt she take Caylees clothes with her? (This from Cindys sworn statement) Why do her cel phones
show no record of her calling anyone named Zenaida?
Why did no one ever see or hear her talking to the baby sitter? How did she pay the babysitter? She
didnt work.
Start on those and go point by point and give us another scenario that would explain just those points
I double dog dare ya!

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 10, 2008 @ 3:46 pm

Jeff, I agree with you. I am NOT in favor of Casey in any way, but legally speaking - what we know at this point - may not be able enough to stick. I say that with the caveat that I DO think she is guilty as heck, but I have to look at the legal issues presented.

We’ll all know soon enough, I suppose.

BTW, what do you all make of Leonard Padilla on Nancy Grace? Seems like he is a media hound to me, always presenting these “breaking” ideas about the case, as if he truly knows what happened.

Comment by Christine — October 10, 2008 @ 3:47 pm

Jeff, No one said it was murder you just minimize it as if law enforcement shouldn’t track down the evidence to charge her. Well she should have to pay for that crime too.

Comment by Lou — October 10, 2008 @ 3:48 pm

Wow, Elaine, why such anger? NObody knows what will happen at this point. No need to get vicious…

Comment by Christine — October 10, 2008 @ 3:50 pm

Oh and by the way OJ was just convicted 13 years to the day that he murdered Nicole and got off for it
Justice finally prevailed in that case and it will
in poor little Caylees case as well. And as for forensics its going to be very difficult to get another expert to explain chloroform, DNA and
body fluids in the trunk - especially when
they can prove the DNA was Caylees - how can they prove that? Well, in case everyone has forgotten
there is a DNA test of record - Jessie Grund who
was told by Casey he was Caylees father wisely had
a paternity test done - they HAVE Caylees DNA.
Something the State hasnt let loose with but its true.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 10, 2008 @ 3:51 pm

Christine Im not angry, I just think if someone wants to make a case for Casey being not guilty then this forum is a great place to try to convince us - I just asked for the poster to give us some solid rebutting
of what we have been presented so far. Not knowing what the defense is going to use, isnt really a valid answer.
The theory of Casey not being guilty has to be based upon something he has in mind- just tell us what it is
And do so by helping to explain why Casey Anthony has acted in the manner that she has since this thing started.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 10, 2008 @ 3:56 pm

She lied to the cops because she is a liar.
She stole, shopped and partied because deep down inside, she did not feel Casey was in danger.
The car smelled because she ran over a squirrel.
She abandoned the car because she was fed up with it running out of gas due to a bad gas gauge. If the smell of the car was from a decomposing Caylee, she would have burnt the car and reported it stolen.
If there is no Zenaida, then who has she been leaving caylee with for the past two years? And if this person was not Zenaida, then why hasent this person come forward and said, “I watch caylee for casey”?

Now I don’t believe a word of what I have written here but I am just giving possible statements or questions that will be put in the jurys mind.
I would also like to say that if Caseys friends new she was a pathological liar, why did they associate with her? And what kind of person associates themselves with pathological liars? People who can easily be discredited.
I FEEL CASEY ANTHONY IS AN AWFUL MOM. I THINK SHE IS AN AWFUL PERSON. I just dont think they currently have enough to hang her.

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 4:00 pm

She will be looking for Caylee just like OJ looked for Nicole’s murderer. The only difference is, she won’t be on a golf course like OJ was.

Alls either of them had to do was look in a mirror for the murderers. NUFF SAID!

Comment by SHE IS GUILTY — October 10, 2008 @ 4:01 pm

I just want what everyone wants. FIND CAYLEE!! Hopefully alive and well. If not, then…and only then..hang Casey!

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 4:05 pm

Jeff, i went back and re-read posts 8 and 18. If you aren’t Linn maybe you are someone working for or associated with Jose Baez or the Anthony’s. Speaking of Jose Baez i would say he’s the one who is desperate to have had to spread the rumor that he found someone who has a picture of Zenaida f-g with casey and Caylee.

Comment by Lou — October 10, 2008 @ 4:06 pm

If I was working for Jose Baez, I would have far to much money to be spending my time blogging here!! Lol.
Sorry Lou, just your ordinary Joe..I mean Jeff!

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 4:12 pm

Jeff, Casey never kept the same friends for long. all the people in this case that are testifying and so-called friends are a new group of friends who say they know now after lots of this stuff has come out that she was a path-liar. All her old friends from when she was a kid are the ones that called her that and they are also testifying. Her own mother Cindy even said she was a sociopath. I don’t think you have all the facts of this case that have come out or you would kinow this. i think you should go read and listen to all the documents and audio/video that has been released. you might change your mind then.

Comment by Lou — October 10, 2008 @ 4:13 pm

I wonder if that picture is on some beach front property in Arizona?

I am not usually so sarcastic, but this whole saga is unreal.

Human decomposition does not equate to dead squirrel.

Hair with death band is not likely to be disputed since Casey is alive and Caylee had no siblings.

Comment by sharebear — October 10, 2008 @ 4:13 pm

I don’t however feel they should let Casey roam the streets looking for Caylee. I think it would jeopordize any potential evidence out there as well as put Casey in danger of an angry mob!

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 4:15 pm

Jeff
When you can come up with something you DO believe
are the reasons Casey has acted in the manner she has,
post it. At least we who believe she is guilty state the facts that have been presented and use them as points as to why she is guilty. There isnt anything
credible in what you say - as to Casey’s friends,
obviously until this thing hit - they didnt know she was lying. Amy, Tony, Carlos and the rest of them,
they didnt know she was lying when she said she had a job, or that she was lying when she said that
she had her own money, or any of the myriad lies she told Amy about moving in together, that her parents
were going to give her the house. That was all found out after this thing was reported. And there were plenty of people that looked after Caylee during those past two years - Carlos Morales stated he watched Caylee so did Mr. Grund, Jessies father stated that she left Caylee with them, so did Casey’s other girlfriend who also was a single mother I forget her name, she too watched Caylee. Many different people in the last two years watched Caylee as she ran around town and they all believed her lies.
But not ONE of them ever heard her speak to the nanny - no one in her family did either, there are no phone numbers, no addresses, nothing credible about that story which has been completely discredited
by LE.
Remember to be sure to post when there is something you can think up that is credible to explain Caseys behavior. We all want to hear it.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 10, 2008 @ 4:16 pm

Casey should be in jail!!!

Comment by Lou — October 10, 2008 @ 4:16 pm

Have you all ever wondered why brother LEE ANTHONY refused to provide a DNA sample and polygraph???

It’s because HE IS THE FATHER OF CAYLEE — hense the toddler’s name: “CAY” from Casey and “LEE” from Uncle-Daddy LEE ANTHONY.

I think he’s is terrified that the incestuous truth will come out!

Comment by CristiHugs — October 10, 2008 @ 4:16 pm

Ok…Let me ask this then…Do any of you feel Casey acted alone without any help?

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 4:17 pm

One more thought–

Jose can’t be too busy, if he can spend 6 hours each day with one client.

Most defense attorney’s I know spend as little time as possible with their clients. Usually 15 minutes just before Court.

Comment by sharebear — October 10, 2008 @ 4:18 pm

Elaine- do you mean Ricardo Morales?

Comment by Lou — October 10, 2008 @ 4:18 pm

LOL!!! Thats funny!! (Cristihugs) Gross but funny!

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 4:20 pm

Yes did I say Carlos? I meant Ricardo Morales,
he stated in his sworn statement that he watched
Caylee many times. They played the drums together!Also that when Casey spent the night with Ricardo,
she put Caylee in the bed with them. Which frankly,
I think is really really disturbing and shows you
how interested Casey was in protecting Caylee. In this day and age of child abuse, you dont put your child in a bed with your boyfriend. That bothererd me
terribly when I read it.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 10, 2008 @ 4:21 pm

to #59

I think Lee might have helped dispose of the body.

Doubtful that he is the father, although, I too have wondered. Caylee looks a lot like JP Chatt.

Comment by sharebear — October 10, 2008 @ 4:22 pm

Sharebear, her home confinement officer even testified today that she’s never had a defendant on home confinement go to their attorneys for 6 hours a day five days a week. That home confinement officer likes casey. You could tell. Casey does have “superficial charm” which is another sign of a sociopath. Tony and all his friends were fooled by this charm.

Comment by Lou — October 10, 2008 @ 4:24 pm

You are so right, Lou.

Comment by sharebear — October 10, 2008 @ 4:27 pm

Why is that comment funny about Lee Anthony? It has been a rumor for a long time. But this case is no laughing matter. Ive heard that several times about Lee being the father
of Caylee. I just thought as Casey didnt want anyone to know who the real father of Caylee was, that she
decided to name him partly after her brother.
Why Lee Anthony refused to give DNA is interesting,
they finally compelled him by presenting him with a search warrent. Also he refused the polygraph,
but Cindy and George did finally take one. I dont see George as knowing much - but Cindy knows a lot more than she is saying and probably so does Lee.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 10, 2008 @ 4:27 pm

Sharebear, JP is not Caylees dad. He couldn’t be. Amy Hizuenga has already stated that when Casey met all of them she already had Caylee. Amy said there is no way JP could be her dad?

Christihugs could be right. Why else would Lee refuse to give his DNA to law enforcement?

Comment by Lou — October 10, 2008 @ 4:30 pm

ok Jeff, you sure you aren’t Lee Anthony?

Comment by Lou — October 10, 2008 @ 4:32 pm

I did not know that. Good to know.

Comment by sharebear — October 10, 2008 @ 4:32 pm

Wow! What an awful picture we have painted of this family!! Not only is Casey a child killing sociopath, but her brother is incestual and her mom covers it all up! And poor George is Micky the dunce!! I am afraid I have to part ways now with this delightful crowd. I will try to return tomorrow but this time with a torch and pitchfork so I can blend a little better. Take care. Jeff

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 4:33 pm

Lol!! No Lou..I’m not!!

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 4:34 pm

Jeff, go and read all the other blogs out there on this case and you will find the same thing in ALL of them.

Comment by Lou — October 10, 2008 @ 4:35 pm

I’m sure. America and its justice system has gone to hell.

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 4:36 pm

I just got this from the Constitution of the State of Florida regarding Grand Juries -Please note: They
refer here to CAPITAL crimes - as far as I know
a Capital crime is usually one that has the death penalty as one of the punishments that can be proscribed by law if the defendent is convicted.

FROM THE FLORIDA GRAND JURY HANDBOOK:
THE GRAND JURY AS AN ACCUSING
AND INVESTIGATING BODY
Our constitution provides that no person shall be brought to trial for a capital crime except upon indictment of a grand jury. This means that no one may be prosecuted for a capital crime except by a vote of the grand jury. Except for capital crimes, the state attorney (or the statewide prosecutor) may initiate all other criminal charges. The grand jury of course may indict for any crime that the evidence justifies.
The wisdom of leaving to the state attorney (or the statewide prosecutor) the bringing of charges as to crimes less than capital crimes and traffic violations is readily apparent. If the grand jury was required to initiate the prosecution of less serious crimes through indictment, the grand jury would be so overwhelmed with complaints that it could not perform its more important duties.
From website Floridasupremecourt.org/jury

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 10, 2008 @ 4:42 pm

so has the stock market and the ecocnomy. But if there is one sure thing it is that Casey is Guilty,
Guilty, Guilty!!!!!!!

May there soon be justice for Caylee!!!!!

Comment by Lou — October 10, 2008 @ 4:43 pm

I am not an expert on this or have taken any classes on criminal law or anything, but based on all these evident findings, there is a possibility Casey used gas tanks to drive far away so that she does not leave trace where she was headed, find a place to bury and BURN the body so no one can identify it. Sad!

Comment by Estee Star — October 10, 2008 @ 4:43 pm

I think the “pings” from her cel phone have pretty much pinpointed the places that she might have buried a body and that was near the Orlando Airport or
Blanchard Park - Casey was constantly on her cel phone, it might prove her undoing!

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 10, 2008 @ 4:45 pm

Jeff,

It is the Justice system that allows her to be on home confinement. If not for the Justice system, she would have been placed on a steak by the general population. People are outraged at her conduct and are inpatient as they have to sit and wait for Justice to take its proper course.

Comment by sharebear — October 10, 2008 @ 4:47 pm

I should have written “stake”.

Guess, I am thinking about supper tonight.

Comment by sharebear — October 10, 2008 @ 4:49 pm

HOW CAN YOU HAVE “JUSTICE” WHEN NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED?

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 4:49 pm

Is there anyone here who believes Caylee is alive??

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 4:51 pm

The Court will provide all the information they have, as will the Defense.

A Jury will decide based on the evidence presented in Court, and only the Court.

Comment by sharebear — October 10, 2008 @ 4:52 pm

It would be great, but it is now true.

Comment by sharebear — October 10, 2008 @ 4:53 pm

Now that (84 Sharebear) I agree with!

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 4:53 pm

again with the typo’s, I meant not true. GEEZ.

Comment by sharebear — October 10, 2008 @ 4:54 pm

Take care folks..Bye

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 4:59 pm

The judge said today that he will not recommend anything on Casey asking to search secretly, until Monday, I don’t see it happening . He did file on 11 of the motions. Casey will be found quilty of murder because they will or have found Caylee. I see she has her attorney under the Casey spell.

Comment by angel — October 10, 2008 @ 5:03 pm

Jeff, when this was first reported i was sure that Casey had just sold Caylee. As a mother, i couldn’t comprehend a mother doing something so hineous (sp). But as the evidence has unfolded there is only one obvious conclusion. If you think she is tell us why? I would love to see the miracle of a live Caylee.

Comment by Lou — October 10, 2008 @ 5:06 pm

I believe she is at Blanchard Park also.

Comment by angel — October 10, 2008 @ 5:14 pm

you misunderstood me I mean I don’t think Caylee is of this world anymore. I wish she was because she is a beautiful little girl.

Comment by angel — October 10, 2008 @ 5:17 pm

OMG, everybody here is totally nuts. You have to look at it with a clear mind. You all are so jaded you can’t think straight. Your vehement anger against Jeff is profound. He doesn’t think Casey is innocent, he’s just pointing out facts. For you to belittle him as you have on many posts, just points out his theory that everything has been tainted.

You have to think with a legal mind in this case. Everything, logically, I agree with, but you have to think with a legal defense mind. NOBODY thinks she’s innocent. Use common sense. Jeff is just pointing out some defense strategies that MAY be used in the case. You all are calling him names and such…shame on you.

You have to play the “game”. Casey sure is. And in the game you have to know your playing field. Then you can take the best next motions possible.

Comment by Christine — October 10, 2008 @ 5:26 pm

Christine, Jeff doesn’t have all the background to this case (by that i mean hasn’t read all docs released or listened to the audio/video. how can he point out strategy with out having all the facts.

And i’m sure everyone here is not angry at Jeff only at Casey.

Comment by Lou — October 10, 2008 @ 5:38 pm

Jeff - I do think that if Caylee has been murdered, that her mother did it, and if she has not been murdered, that her mother has something to do with her disappearance, but as a mother of a toddler myself, my instinct is to continue to hope and pray that Caylee is STILL ALIVE and WELL and that she will be found.

God be with little Caylee, wherever she is.

Comment by glp — October 10, 2008 @ 6:14 pm

Mindy, you were right about that ”Jeff” character.
I think he has an ‘AKA,that being Cindy,George,or Lee Anthony, because he sounds as delusional as they are!

Comment by Jake Hess — October 10, 2008 @ 6:32 pm

I believe the two most ‘insightful’ people on this blog are Mindy and Elaine 16. I think that Christine & Jeff are one of the same, ‘delusional’

Comment by Jake Hess — October 10, 2008 @ 7:00 pm

To Christine - no one here has called Jeff any names.
My only advise to Jeff is -in answer to his post #72- he doesnt have to come with a pitchfork to post with this group, but he could sure use the torch - so he can see the light!
Pardon the pun.
In answer to Christines post #93, nah, we dont have to think with a “legal mind” at all. The 12 good people who will sit on a jury dont have “legal minds”
but they do have common sense. And they know when
they are being had. The overwhelming consensus of the average person that has followed this case closely is that Casey Anthhony did harm her child
and has told lie after lie to cover it up. You say you dont care what the average person thinks? Well,
I do, because these same average people from every walk of life are the people that will make up a jury.
And if they are sworn to be impartial they will be
and take up the evidence, which is most likely going to be the same evidence we have seen through the discovery process and make a decision. I have faith
that a jury of average ordinary citizens, very much
like the ones that post here, will come to the correct
conclusion. The defense can come up with all sorts of elaborate lies (though no one can elaborate more on a lie than Casey -her lies are works of art)but in the long run it just wont wash. Remember when Cindy said that Caylee would be home for her birthday? Or when
George said that they were “watching” the kidnappers
and that they knew who they were. Or the hundreds of tips of people seeing Caylee - but none of them turned out to be Caylee. I have the greatest respect
for Tim Miller who is an extremely sympathetic person.
He believes Caylee is dead, and so does Mark Klass
another extremely credible and sympathetic man. Both
these men have suffered a terrible tragedy, their daughters were both murdered. Neither of them have
said anything favorable about Casey. In fact, one night, Tim almost told his true feelings about Cindy who I understand he also dislikes, but he stopped himself from doing so. I respect Tim and Mark a lot.
They are only two of the professionals who have weighed in on this case - believing Caylee
is dead and that Casey in all likelyhood harmed her.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 10, 2008 @ 7:27 pm

I love it!! Elaine is as fired up as I am!! And she is right. The whole case is a shame. I have a one year old son and I give him an extra kiss every night once this case broke. How beautiful is Caylee. Let’s just hope Tim finds her. Below is the email I sent to tim and he wrote back. I recommend everyone emailing tim at eqquisearch and give him kudos. Hopefully he will be the one to give us the answers. Here is his response:

We will be doing our absolute best to bring baby Caylee home where she belongs. No child deserves to be left out in the elements forever, and we desperately want to find her. Please pray for her and all the searchers.
Thank you so much for you kind words. Let’s bring Caylee home !!

Tim

> Hello Tim!!
>
>
>
> I was watching Nancy Grace last night and saw that you would be
> resuming your search on missing Caylee Anthony. You are truly a hero.
> Thank you for doing this and trying to give the public some answers on
> this dreadful case. I truly believe Caylee is hoping you find her. It
> is people like you that make the world a better place!!
>
>
>
> Keri Staich
>
> Portland, OR

Comment by Keri — October 10, 2008 @ 7:40 pm

leonard padilla is a media whore.

Comment by sally — October 10, 2008 @ 8:35 pm

So here’s my thought… Casey is out partying all the time but no one can point out a babysitter right? Maybe she would drug Caylee (with chloroform) and put her in the trunk of her car. One day she uses too much and when she comes back out to the car the poor baby is dead. She panics, buries her and then goes on with her pathetic life…

Comment by Marie — October 10, 2008 @ 9:16 pm

Possibly. Or she just ordered the chloroform and killed her baby. She freaks me out. It’s all in the eyes. There is nothing there, no emotion. Scott Peterson anyone? When I see her in those videos just shopping like she doesnt have a care in the world, that speaks volumes. Also if she was innocent she would be in front of the media begging to Zani or anyone else that had her to bring back her child. She walks around like a movie star in her big white target glasses without a care in the world. I especially like when you see her smiling. SCARY STUFF

Comment by Keri — October 10, 2008 @ 9:30 pm

Jeff asked “Is there anyone here who believes Caylee is alive??”
”
I don’t believe that Caylee is alive based upon the principal of Occam`s Razor. That being - “All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best.”

In this case, the hypothesis that Casey did not kill her daughter but the nancy absconded with her explains Caylee’s absense, as does the hypothesis that Casey killed her. But the first hypothesis relies upon far more conspiracy theories. Someone planted a body in Casey`s trunk that alerted the Cadever dogs. People unknown to Casey’s circle took the child who is still alive and Casey is protecting her family by not revealing the truth. Casey did spend 30 days looking for Caylee before altering anyone and her anguish was simply hidden etc etc.

The hypothesis that Casey was somehow responsible for Caylee`s homicide doesn`t rely upon unobservable phenomena as much as the first theory and is a far simplier explaination. For the hypothesis that, an unseen nanny was responsible, to be believed, I would need to see far greater evidence to hold that to be true than I would require for a more simple explaination. Right now I have been offered no evidence whatsoever for the first scenario, therefore I hold the second scenario to be far more likely to be true.

If Jose Baez wants me or the jury to believe otherwise, than he will have the burden of providing a greater level of evidence to support a less likely explaination.

Presumed innocent or not by our legal system is somewhat irrelevant, Occam`s Razor is a very compelling theory of logic.

Comment by Karen — October 10, 2008 @ 9:44 pm

#103: You might have luck using google, but I am not sure. I have not been able to back alot of this stuff either. Nancy Grace is really covering it, and you can also look on http://www.orlandosentinel.com for updates.

As far as Lenny, dont get me started. Apparently this guy as a law degree, dont get it. Why would Nancy Grace put him on her program night after night? She also had some big FBI guy say he had worked with Leonard and he was outstanding. Something we dont know? He sure knows a lot about Casey’s “pings” on her cell phone. Why doesnt he get out there in look for the sweet baby? good lord!!

Comment by Keri — October 10, 2008 @ 9:45 pm

There are very good timelines and lots of information
found on all these websites and they post daily:
wesh.com wftv.com local6.com orlandosentinel.com
myfoxorlando.com missingandabducted.com also
daily crime report from discovery investigation.
Also good posts and info on wordpress.com.
All these sites have links to most of the released documents and you can read sworn testimony from most
of the family and friends, plus see all the newly released videos of Casey presenting the forged checks
she signed which were Amys. In some checks she actually signed her own name to Amy’s checks and the
cashier didnt catch it. There are blowups of the actual checks also where you can see Casey’s own signature. Lee Anthony actually stated Casey had used the name Zenita ,not Zenaida and also Mr Grund
said once that Casey used the name Zanny not Zenaida
one time in the past but he never heard the last name of Zenaida. I used the term kiting a check
I think the term is uttering in the charges, not kiting. There are over 1000 pages of documents and they are all available on line including video and audio tapes if you want to go back and search.
Here is the story Tim Miller was speaking about:

October 9, 2008)–A Texas man convicted of murder in the disappearance of a woman whose body was never found was sentenced Thursday to life in prison.

Earlier Thursday, a Tarrant County jury found Rodney Owens 41, guilty, in the death of his 51-year-old former neighbor Glenda Gail Furch, a General Motors assembly plant worker who hasn’t been seen since Sept. 28, 2007. end
To find out more about Antisocial personality disorder
go to google.com and type this in and it will bring you many websites that give good descriptions of this disorder. These are pretty deep subjects but at least you can get a good enough description in laymans terms
to help understand it. Those are most of the reference sources that I used in my post above.
The only thing which was really hearsay came from Leonard Padilla’s statement about Cindy putting her hands around Casey’s neck when she found out Casey had stolen from her grandparents. That has to be taken or not taken at Mr Padillas word - if you dont believe he is credible, then perhaps you might not believe it. It was relayed to him, Padilla stated,
by Lee Anthony. Anyway, there is a lot of information on this case available to the public with just a little research if you want to spare the time.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 10, 2008 @ 10:48 pm

I also posted above the website which explains further about grand juries in Florida if you are interested in reading about how they operate there.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 10, 2008 @ 11:02 pm

Hi all!! It’s me again! Just checking in to see what progress has been made in the debate! I hope everyone realizes I’m not trying to stir anything up. I just simply believe there is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much more to this thing than any of us know. I dont think the Anthony family is a bunch of psychos. I try to imagine myself in this situation and I would hope my family would stick by me the way her family does.

Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 11:19 pm

Elaine I think you are absolutely correct about this whole case..I totally agree with you all the way on this.

Comment by Michelle — October 11, 2008 @ 12:02 am

Jeff, I don’t think the Anthony’s are psychos. i think however, that they are more dysfunctional than the average family. All i know is i have a daughter same age as Casey with a daughter 6 months older than Caylee and i know if this had happened in my family and my daughter thought she could sit in jail quietly and wait it out it would have taken me five minutes or less in her jail cell to get the truth out of her. I would have beat it out of her if need be. But the Anthony’s go on covering up and enabling her so she can continue with her sociopathic behaviour.

Comment by Lou — October 11, 2008 @ 12:17 am

Deb Cindy’s brother Rick, has stated the dysfunction between the family especially with Casey and Cindy for years.

My point is that I know my daughter and exactly what she is capable of and I’ve always know when she way lying or had done something wrong even now. I, unlike Cindy would never have allowed them to leave my home without knowing where they were moving to especailly if I knew that my daughter was lying about having a job. Cindy has stated she knew for a long time that Casey didn’t have a job.

Comment by Lou — October 11, 2008 @ 12:30 am

I don’t blame anyone, guilty or not, for not wanting to take a polygraph test. Maybe they are helpful in general but you wouldn’t want to be the false positive in the results bell curve.

Comment by Karen — October 11, 2008 @ 12:38 am

Without trying to offend anyone here, it is my belief that Elaine 16 is the only one I’ve seen here today that can truely back up her feelings towards Casey. With that being said, I don’t think anyone including elaine 16 has enough information to cast final judgement. Mark my words folks., If they pursue the grand jury indictment, she will be charged. Her lawyer will do everything in his power to get this trial going as fast as possible so it will take place in the shadow of the current media circus and CASEY WILL WALK. After this, if a body is found, They will need lock tight evidence tying casey to it to charge her again. Find Caylee…then charge casey!

Comment by Jeff — October 11, 2008 @ 12:46 am

Leonard Padilla is a pig. It is my belief that if they had left Casey in jail and he hadn’t been trying to get his name in the media, this case would have been broken by now. Her parents would have taken a while to get that money to bail her out, and if you recall she had stopped calling her parents and accepting visitors. It is my absolute belief that she was close to breaking. Leonard Padilla compromised this case by bailing her out that first time. He’s an idiot.

This case will go to trial and yes, she will be found guilty. Cadaver dogs do not hit on smells that are not from human cadavers! If it wasn’t Caylee’s dead body in the trunk, who was it?!

Comment by Zeenie — October 11, 2008 @ 1:38 am

The cadaver dog evidence has not been put forth in the discovery. It should not be heard in the trial.

Comment by Jeff — October 11, 2008 @ 2:40 am

BOTTOM LINE

Caylee is probably dead!

CASEY probably killed this beautiful little girl!

HURRY UP AND CONVICT HER!!!! {George & Cindy shouldn’t be “LET OFF THE HOOK”}

grrrrr PLEASE LET JUSTICE PREVAIL!!!

Comment by Jill from Western Australia — October 11, 2008 @ 4:38 am

Elaine, great post! It makes total sense. It sounds crazy to me that someone could be convicted of murder with no body though.

I know this is totally uncalled for, but Casey is HOT! Too bad she’s a murdering psycho, otherwise, I’d totally do her.

Comment by SickPervert — October 11, 2008 @ 9:06 am

to Jeff- As stated in the posts above there HAVE been convictions without a body . Not sure why your stating they will not be able to get a conviction and she will walk free . It’s has been done before .And why shouldn’t the cadaver dogs hitting the spot not be heard in trial? It’s a key part?? Along with everything eles they have against this woman!I think the LE has taken their time to put all the pieces together and they obviously feel confident enough to bring this case to the grand jury. I’m sure there is more evidence that they have against Casey that has NOT been released to the public.They want this woman locked up as much as the rest of us do. Hopefully they have found that last piece of the puzzle that they feel they need to lock her away for good! With or without a body !

Comment by Anniray — October 11, 2008 @ 9:22 am

To # 121- Oh MY Gosh…… You are a sickperv ! Well At least it sounds like you agree with most of us and think she’s guilty !

Comment by Anniray — October 11, 2008 @ 9:32 am

SEE FOLKS, THIS IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!! The argument I have been putting forth here is that I feel the Orlando Police needs to find a body first to GUARANTY a conviction. Yes, they could get one without a body but it seems too high risk for me. If they postponed the grand jury proceedings and put all thier efforts into searching, they will either find Caylees body, or Caylee alive. Trust me, it’s a win win situation. Then hang Casey by her shorthairs! Now you have “sickperv” writting in saying how “Casey is hot and he’d DO her” with Anniray stating “You are sick, but at least you agree”. So you will listen to twisted people as long as they think she is guilty but not those who are down to earth and want more evidence to make sure things stick. You tell me I sound like some past poster who apparently argued the same points? Well I tell you, you sound the the Orlando police because you will take any information from any source, as long as it is against Casey or her family.

Comment by Jeff — October 11, 2008 @ 10:40 am

Jeff, i’m not sure there has been any information from any source that was not against Casey except most of her friends said she was a good mother. Do you know of a source that said something positive that the Orlando Police didn’t take their information?
Please tell us? The info that is out their from Casey or her family (based on the behaviour of her family and the interviews with the media by Cindy and George and Lee) is not positive.

Comment by Lou — October 11, 2008 @ 11:25 am

Im am not for, or against Casey. If her friends say she was a good mother, why do we choose not to believe that? We believe everything else they say. My biggest beef here is I feel they should find more solid evidence before they charge her. Thats all.

Comment by Jeff — October 11, 2008 @ 12:00 pm

This is for Deb - you couldnt have looked very hard
I found it in about 2 minutes:

story: October 9, 2009
There have been several new developments in the case of Casey Anthony and her missing 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony.

According to a source close to the investigation, prosecutors now have enough forensic evidence to ask a grand jury to indict Anthony for her daughter’s murder. That evidence allegedly proves that Caylee’s body was in the trunk of the car Casey Anthony was driving and at one point in the backyard of the Anthony family home.

Casey Anthony’s parents, George and Cindy Anthony, have voluntarily provided investigators with DNA samples, which are currently being compared to hairs found in the trunk of the car. Anthony’s brother, Lee Anthony, initially refused to provide investigators with a sample; however he later submitted to that request when investigators served him with a search warrant.

According to WFTV.com, George Anthony has been called to testify against his daughter before the grand jury. It remains unclear if Cindy and Lee will also be called to testify. In addition to family members, prosecutors will also present testimony from an FBI profiler, who is expected to offer a detailed analysis Anthony’s psychological makeup. end story
This information is from David Lohr of the
Criminal Report Daily from Investigation Discovery
that is his website.
Article written by David Lohr - here is his email
he has also searched in Florida with Tim Miller
and knows a lot about this case: davidlohr@davidlohr.net
This is just NONSENSE about not being able to convict
without a body - so in other words you think that
anytime somone kills a person in this country and
they dont find a body they cant get convicted?
This is not proven out by any fact - I can find
hundreds probably thousands of examples if I had the time. I just gave you one in my post above #107
about a Texas man who killed his neighbor who was just sentenced to life in prison. Sometimes it takes
years to bring people to justice, but the police
never give up. They are still searching for Jon Benets killer - cold cases, they are called,
as you are all aware since many of you follow
crime cases. Again, its not unusual for someone
who never had a criminal record to kill. There
is enough evidence to convict her, she will be
indicted by a grand jury - and she will get convicted.
Caylee Anthony isnt coming home, the babysitter didnt take her, or santa claus or the Easter bunny.
The car didnt smell because of squirrels and no one
else conveniently put someone elses dead body in the trunk to make it smell. If you use your common sense
you can make a case. Id really like to see who the defense is going to call for witnesses. In my opinion
Baez’s whole defense is going to be experts who will testify to try to destroy the forensic evidence.
I dont think bringing in her “old” friends to testify what a great mother she was will have much impact.
Andrea Yates systematically drowned each one of her five children. Held their little bodies under water
while they struggled for a breath of life -
and then went and got the next child. People testified
she was a wonderful mother too - People testified
Susan Smith was a wonderful mother - she strapped
her two darling little boys in their car seats
and pushed the car into the lake and watched them drown. Do you remember the Diane Downs case? In 1983
Diane Downs shot three of her children - the oldest
and middle child survived and were eventually adoped by the prosecutor! The oldest child testified against her mother in court. There was a book, Small Sacrifices by Ann Rule, in case you are interested.
So lets not play the wonderful mother card - it
has no relevence you will find in these types of cases. Scott Peterson was a wonderful husband
too - his mother in law loved him - until he killed
Lacey.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 11, 2008 @ 12:59 pm

One more thing about attorney Baez - I watched
that long proceeding Friday morning and the judge
really helped him out - Baez didnt provide case
law to make his points and seems ill prepared.
The judge, I believe allowed him a lot of lattitude
because he was aware that Tuesday they will probably
indict Casey for murder and they would have to turn
all that evidence over to Baez for the capital case.
But he certainly was not impressive as far as I could see.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 11, 2008 @ 1:03 pm

Hey Elaine, do you know anything about that other lawyer he had there with him that argued the release of the DNA for him. he spoke also on a couple of the other motions? How do you think the Anthonys are paying for all these lawyers on Baez team? How are they paying for forensic experts (like Kobilinski)? I think it’s horrible that they have monetary access to all these attorneys and “experts”. they couldn’t even bail her out that 1st time. Most people who rely on public defenders don’t have access to so much.

Comment by Lou — October 11, 2008 @ 1:12 pm

Well I’ve said about all I can say on this subject. The one thing I think we all agree on is hopefully justice will prevail and poor little Caylee is in a better place, whereever that may be.

Comment by Jeff — October 11, 2008 @ 2:09 pm

To Jeff # 124…. I have just seen enough evidence along with her actions(before she was arrested as well as afterwards) against her to come to my own conclusion . Yes I think she’s guilty and I have not heard much on Casey’s defense. I just have to say it will be an interesting case to see how and what Baez has to say in her defense . Where’s this so called picture that was taken of the nanny, Casey, and Caylee?? I don’t think there is one .

Comment by Anniray — October 11, 2008 @ 2:50 pm

Sorry Anniray. I must bow out of this now. Just want to see that sweet little girl alive and safe.

Comment by Jeff — October 11, 2008 @ 3:10 pm

To Elain- Do you think it’s possible that Lee A. may have moved the body or helped in getting rid of the body at one point?? Also , this sudden interest in Casey trying to help find her daughter (3 months too late)is so they can use it to her defense in court that she DID try to find Caylee and was a concerned mother.Do you think that will help her case at all??Isn’t that their motive to help her case!?It’s not really about finding Caylee . I think Baez has to know the truth about his client don’t you?? But then I guess that’s his job to defend skum bags like Casey.In my eyes it doesn’t make him much better !I don’t understand how anyone can defend people who kill/harm children in any way ! But I guess someone has to do it.It’s just sooo SAD!!!

Comment by Anniray — October 11, 2008 @ 3:14 pm

I didnt see anything in the link your provided to fox news that contradicted anything I posted. The grand jury meets in secret which is proper - LE cannot
disclose information regarding it. That Fox news
report was from http://www.myfoxorlando.com one of the news
sites that I referenced above - same information.
As to David Lohr’s post, I provided you with his
email you can email him and ask him his source, Im sure he would tell you. That story also said that
last week Baez had located the man who took pictures
of Zenaida with Casey and Caylee at the park - but nothing since on that, of course, it could have gotten “lost” with the letter Casey was going to write
Lee about what happened to Caylee. Or maybe he is going to wait and “spring” it on the jury at her
trial for murder ala Perry Mason. As to the Rodney Owens case, they did have forensic evidence typing
Rodney to the murder. However, they have evidence
of Casey tying her to the murder of Caylee with
forensic evidence as well. Remember we have not seen
nor heard of the FBI lab findings and we probably
wont until the trial.
If you are interested in reading another case
where there wasnt even forensic evidence and no body at all go to website http://www.jstor.org/pss/3478361 and read about the Evelyn Scott case. Under Criminal Law
Proof of Corpus Delecti by Circumstantial Evidence
People vs Scott (California appeal 1959)
Scott was convicted of killing his wife and this conviction held up on appeal. There was no body,
no cause of death, nothing except circumstantial
evidence. I can reference others, but if you really
look you can find them yourself. In Casey’s case
they have a lot more evidence than was used against
Scott - and he ended up in prison for the rest of his life.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 11, 2008 @ 3:23 pm

To Lou, I thought the second attorney with Baez at least made a clearer argument when he got up to speak,
but I assume he is an associate of Baez. They are saying all the lawyers, experts, PR men, everyone
is doing it free - or pro bono. Possibly for the
fame, also maybe for future money in speaking engagments, more business, maybe get on TV like other attorneys on Nancy Grace and Greta’s show, lot of reasons. Maybe they will write a book - everyone else does! There is a Natalie Holloway movie coming soon
on Lifetime.
To Anniray - no, I dont believe Lee helped her move the body - he was at work at least that is what
I have read. I think she did it on her own, just
as most of the other cases I referenced above, women
are quite capable of killing as men.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 11, 2008 @ 3:30 pm

Elaine,
So what is in it for Kobilinski? He already has fame and appears in various news shows.

Comment by Lou — October 11, 2008 @ 4:49 pm

i find it interesting that Jose Baez Says On GMA the other day that he wants to go with his client on these secret searches in case she tips off police to a certain area. If you dont know where the baby is how can you tip off the police to a certain location?

Comment by JennyB — October 11, 2008 @ 10:29 pm

It appears there is a surprise witness who knows exactly what happened and when and where Casey murdered Caylee. We will see on tuesday.

Comment by Lou — October 11, 2008 @ 11:26 pm

The suprise witness is something that Ricardo Morales knows. He knows quite alot.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 1:37 am

I mean someone that Ricardo Morales knows. LE knows much more than we know.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 1:39 am

Lou…How did you find this info? I can’t find it anywhere.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 2:21 am

I’m sorry Lou but I find this terribly hard to believe.
Where has this friend been all this time? This sounds more like rumor than facts. Can anyone help to verify this info?

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 2:50 am

Still looking for Lou’s info on Ricardo’s friend…found nothing.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 4:19 am

Going to sleep now!! Spent all night studying the case and modern forensics so I can have a “proper” debate with Elaine16!!!

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 7:23 am

Yes, the American justice system is the absolute worst…except for all the others. It doesn’t surprise me that the Anthony apologist took this opportunity to bash his country, it is perfectly consonant with his (her?) worldview. I’m sure he also believes patriotism is a madness of geography and flag waving is for simians and troglodytes.

Comment by Mindy — October 12, 2008 @ 10:31 am

Lou I read it too -there is supposed to be a suprise
witness that knows what happened to Caylee and also where her body is buried. There is absolutely nothing to support this story - the source is a tabloid.
However, the tabloids are the ones that broke the story on John Edwards baby with Rielle Hunter so
they arent always wrong - as a matter of fact they are right many times. However, this is according to
Ricaro Morales, who I also believe knows more than he is saying.
I found in interesting that Baez put this story out
about one week ago -that he had a picture taken by some man of the babysitter, Casey and Caylee. If that is true, and he as well as everyone else knows that
the Zenaida Gonzalez in Orlando is not involved in this case, did Baez make a motion to have all documents regarding the Zenaida Gonzalez who is suing his clients? I think he made that motion to help with
the lawsuit by Zenaida for slander and defamation
of character.
Also what good is a photograph? If someone has a picture of a woman near Casey who looks hispanic who is to say who this woman is? I doubt that they could even enter it in evidence. But in my opinion there is no such photograph. The grand jury is supposed to meet in secret and they will - we will not know the time or the place they meet. To have knowledge through leaks of their meeting sometime next week
is going to happen, with all the reporters and LE
involved - someone is bound to leak it.
Deb as to Peter Lohr not revealing his sources,
I understand that - he is a journalist - and he has
like all other reporters, sources inside
LE. I take him at his word, he has no agenda as far
as I can see. His website reports crime like many others, he isnt doing the blogging - hes reporting.
The judge should rule on Monday if there is court
(its Columbus Day) I never know the rules except banks and post office are closed as to courts they maybe open for the holiday. I dont believe he will
allow Casey out. However, the judge knows this probably is going to be a capital murder case,
and I believe that he will give Baez lattitude for his requests. If Casey is indicted next week or the week after, she will go back to jail. I just wonder
if the judge is going to set a higher bail and if he does who will pay it, if anyone. That might tell
us if the Anthony’s have accepted any money for their story.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 12, 2008 @ 12:20 pm

Elaine as to the bail issue- i thought there was NO bail for murder.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 1:05 pm

Hi all, it’s me again. Ready to dispute supposed evidence showing casey murdered caylee.
NOW REMEMBER, I AM SIMPLY PLAYING DEVILS ADVOCATE HERE.
I HAVE NOT DECIDED IF CASEY IS INNOCENT OR GUILTY OF MURDER. That being said, I do feel I have the info to dispute any “Pro Murdering Bitch” evidence presented.
Remember, prosecution has the burden of evidence. My standpoint is that the grand jury indictment is premature and taking this case to trial with current evidence and no body is too risky to guarenty justice.
If you are game, “I double dog dare ya”!! One peice of evidence at a time please. The way it would be presented in court.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 2:27 pm

Jeff,
What if they do have a body? This past week is supposedly when they had all the forensic testing back. It’s also when they leaked the “Grand Jury to hear evidence” rumor. Maybe they are waiting to arrest her after they go to GJ to see if they can charge her with capital murder. We really don’t know what they have. all we know of is what has been released or leaked. I’m sure the investigators and prsecutors know what they are doing. We will all just have to wait and see.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 2:36 pm

I really don’t believe they have a body Lou.
There would have been a massive crime scene and journalist would be all over that.
Texas Equisearch would not be getting ready to start searching again for Caylee. I feel strongly that the presence of a body would call for the imeadiate arrest of Casey.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 2:52 pm

I’m thinking maybe they do. Texas Eqqusearch said they would dually search for both Caylee and Jennifer Kessee and yesterday they were out searching for Kesse only. If you remember they searched and found stuff (bones/clothing and other items) about 3 weeks to a month ago. They had crime scenes up. The searchers pledge not to reveal what they find in these searches. Remember also that LE has had some searches going on privately in the last few weeks. But hopefully we’ll know next week. I am very confident that Law Enforcement knows what they are doing. Maybe they didn’t arrest her because they are not sure what to charge her with. Remember florida law- the clock starts ticking for a speedy trialthe minute they arrest someone.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 3:04 pm

What they found was a dog skeleton buried in a baby blanket. One searcher said to reporters that they found what looked like a spine but none of this has been verified. I really feel this would be plastered all over the papers. We are speculating here. Lets debate what evidence we are certain will be heard.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 3:18 pm

With all the leaks to the media and controversy already put forward with Casey’s romantic involvement with law inforcement, I am confident that not all of LE is handling this case professionaly.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 3:29 pm

The search for Jennifer Kesse differs from the search for Caylee. Caylee’s search continuation banks on the hopes that water levels are low enough to warrant searching areas that they speculate she may be found. They don’t want to cover the same area twice. While Jennifer’s search involves areas that they have not yet covered. This is why they are only searching for Jennifer at present. A helicopter is supposed to be rented today to determine if now is the proper time to utilize resources for a search for Caylee.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 3:34 pm

Exactly Jeff, what we are doing is speculating. Just as any and all other evidence that is out there is what was released and even more stuff that has not been released. There is much more evidence (what i’m not sure) that we don’t know of. Again, the state attorney and ocso know what they are doing. You go right ahead and believe that they won’t convict her without a body or whatever other reasons you want to believe but I believe when all the evidence comes together Casey Anthony will be spending the rest of her life behind bars. Casey is guilty and there will soon be justice4e for Caylee.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 3:37 pm

Jeff, you may not listen to Tim but he stated on not only Nancy Grace but on wftv that they would cover the areas they are searching for Caylee three times. I watch Nancy Grace every night sometimes twice a night and i read the show transcripts believe me they were going to cover those areas of interst more than once.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 3:41 pm

The helicopter was supposed to be rented on Friday and wasn’t. Has not been out today either. Tim had meetings with Law enforcement on Friday …….. We do not know what went on in those meetings. One can only guess. my guess is that they have a body.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 3:44 pm

Lou I don’t believe Casey is Innocent. I was “double dog dared” yesterday to dispute the evidence presented to me. I am here doing that today.
A few people here were so willing to jump on Elaine 16’s coattails and accuse me that I am uninformed, I am someone else, ect… Step up to the plate now or hold your peace.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 3:46 pm

Jeff, as to your post 160. why do you think the FBI was involved in this case. The FBI i’m pretty sure has lots of information that has not been leaked.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 3:46 pm

Sorry, did not mean to sound like a jerk. Just trying to vindicate myself.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 3:55 pm

Jeff so you dont believe Casey is innocent but you said in post 155 that you hadn’t decided if casey was innocent or guilty. Does this mean you think she’s guilty now?

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 3:55 pm

I’m not disputing that LE handling this case well. I’m just saying that not all of LE is handling it professionaly. Remember OJ. It takes just one idiot to walk around with a test tube of forensic evidence in their shirt pocket to destroy all credibility.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 3:58 pm

Well as crazy as this sounds at the time i didn’t think OJ was guilty. I was a very naive 25 year old who loved football. As a woman i couldn’t see a man murdering the mother of his children. Today, i’m pretty sure he did it.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 4:01 pm

I have not taken a stand on either side of that fence. I don’t think she is innocent or guilty. I am playing the impartial person looking at just the evidence. No emotion involved at all. If I had to defend her, my opening statement would be something like….My client is a lying, manipulating, thief that has no useful purpose to society. She detests me in every way I can imagine. I would like nothing more than for you the jury to find her guilty of murder but I’m afraid the evidence just does not support this accusation.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 4:02 pm

Look again, the evidence does support that she’s a lying, manipulating thief.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 4:05 pm

Lou, Kindly reread post 171

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 4:07 pm

Jeff, i know i was just spinning it my way. I do believe though that we don’t have all the facts on murder yet but what is out there is circumstancial and it is enough for me (an average citizen) to convict her.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 4:15 pm

I am saying she is a liar, thief, ect…

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 4:17 pm

I understand. But I believe what is out there can easily be disputed.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 4:18 pm

Ok dispute the decomp?

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 4:20 pm

This will be a multi situational dispute. 1st, I will provide evidence that “air samples” cannot differentiate between human decompostion and animal decomposition.
2nd I will provide evidence that with the time frames the prosecuters are claiming caylee would have been in the trunk, decomposition could not have had time to leave lasting air samples that could reasonably show that decompostion has taken place.

I promise you, this is the easiest of the evidence to dispute and succesfully have stricken from any records.

Be patient. It will take me some time to present this thoroughly.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 4:35 pm

What about the other decomp testing by FDLE and FBI crime lab took. Take the whole air samples out because the only reason they released the body farm air samples is because the might not even use the body farm air samples because there has been no case ever having used these. Rest assured the FBI lab and the FDLE have decomp that wasn’t from “air”. The FBI is very reliable.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 4:40 pm

Please provide evidence that FBI is “very reliable”.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 4:46 pm

People are people. “FBI is very reliable” is like saying “he is a professional and infallable because he is a doctor”.
NO ONE IS RELIABLE AND CREDIBILITY OF EVERYONE INVOLVED WILL BE CHALLENGED.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 4:49 pm

I am basing the very reliable on what the “average citizen” believes.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 4:50 pm

Now when you say..FBI and FDLE, are you refering to the hair samples?

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 4:51 pm

Jeff, i am not the prosecutor nor the defense attorney. i am simply a registered voter who could be summoned for jury duty.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 4:51 pm

the hair samples, the blood stains the cadaver fluid. etc. etc.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 4:52 pm

The mind of the “average citizen” is changed through education from proper information recieved during a trial. Jurors go in as the average citizen but are subjected to endless hours of expert testimony and learn to think scientifically in the process. This will be a highly technical case and I am sure Jury selection will reflect this.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 4:54 pm

Well Jeff, i’ve watched enough forensic files and open court to beleive that if there are tests showing decomp in the trunk of her car there was decomp in the trunk of her car. Her whole family smelt it. and it wasn’t from a squirrel.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 4:59 pm

It is my understanding that the “blood stain”, Hair sample”, and “cadaver fluid” is unsubstantiated information at present. I have seen no official documents indicating any of these are factual.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 5:00 pm

I think we are trying to stay with supplied and proven evidence right now. The family that smelled this “dead body” has retracted that statement saying they were mistaken. Sounds like they are full of it to me but nevertheless, they are saying it was bad pizza now.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 5:03 pm

AGAIN Jeff, we don’t have everything. The blood, hair sample, etc. etc. have been reported by a “source close to the investigation” however, the OSCO has not denied this. The Air Samples have not been “substantiated” by any official documentation either.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 5:06 pm

Deb, i don’t believe they’ve released body farm reports either.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 5:08 pm

Correct. I would like to validate my reasons for feeling they have not presented enough evidence to convict Casey at this time. Thats all I’m trying to get across here. Based on what we know is proof, I would need to see a body before commiting to a grand jury indictment then not having enough to back this up. If they move forward without enough due to media and I’m sure, political pressure, justice will not prevail and it will just turn out to be a blame casting game on “who screwed up”.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 5:13 pm

No Deb, i don’t have any evidence about the FBI crime lab being so reliable. Only the people that i’ve talked to (family, co-workers, strangers in the supermarket waiting to check out).

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 5:15 pm

I have to tell ya, Nancy Grace has really been a huge hinderance on this case. She goes off half cocked reporting information that is just not credible and has millions of zombified followers that repeat her spue verbatim. The two biggest reasons caylee has not been found as of yet in my opinion are Casey, and Nancy.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 5:19 pm

Deb, Don’t forget the stains. We know for sure there was a stain in the trunk.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 5:19 pm

There is only one reason that Caylee has not been found Jeff. That reason is her mother.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 5:21 pm

BTW Jeff, Nancy gets all her info from the Florida news stations. Her experts are the only difference. Everything that Nancy reports at night, i’ve already read about on, wftv.com, local6.com. wesh.com. orlandosentinel.com, and myfoxorlando.com. EVERYDAY.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 5:23 pm

No deb, she started talking about the decomp smell when the smell started. She told Lee before they arrested her that the smell had started on June 5.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 5:26 pm

Her mother and sensationalism from the media. It is this very reporting that could damage the outcome of this case. Lou, you have to be able to see it. If a celebrity reporter starts mouthing her opinions on national tv, she persuades the people. This is part of the reasons we see protesters and violence at the Anthony residence. It also creates pressure on the investigators and therefore, complicates evidence gathering and other discoveries.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 5:27 pm

Jeff, in case you don’t know as many people that love nancy there is that many that hate her and don’t watch her. I myself love her and have had too defend her many times from people that hate her. And early in the case Caylee’s grandmother didn’t help the situarion with regards to finding her either.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 5:31 pm

Regardless..thats just my opinion and not what we are discussing here. Current evidence is the subject and ther just is not enough publicly that could make me convict someone of murder.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 5:31 pm

Well, deb if that’s the way you feel about her don’t watch her. Goes for you too jeff.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 5:33 pm

I agree 100% with Deb. Casey has shown she is not dumb. She is calculating and manipulating. This in itself shows she would have done a better job of handling potential evidence.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 5:37 pm

Deb, Caylee was last seen on June 16th not 17th. When she said the smell started on the 5th even Lee didn’t believe her. Have you not listened to his audio interview that was just released a couple of weeks ago? I don’t think you have or you would already know this. He said George was meticulous about cleaning all the family cars and if there had been that smell George would have noticed it. That came from Lee.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 5:38 pm

Well deb and jeff - what about the blatant evidence on tape of fraud? She wasn’t so smart there was she?

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 5:40 pm

She was pretty smart too when she took the cops on a wild goose chase to Universal too wasn’t she?

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 5:42 pm

That one does not come down to intelligence. I don’t think she cared if she got caught stealing money.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 5:43 pm

I guess the intelligence of a person comes down to convenience.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 5:50 pm

There are alot of “ifs” in the evidence made public at this point. Going back to my original statement that has got me into so much trouble here. It is too high risk to go to a grand jury with the evidence that has been made public right now. If I was on a jury and presented with this evidence, Casey would walk. Find a body and it locks it all up for me. Search the area on the econ trail that her phone pinged from and if nothing comes up, better start searching the other leads that have come in. DO NOT TRY THIS CASE PREMATURELY!!! JOSE BAEZ IS PRAYING FOR A GRAND JURY INDICTMENT THIS WEEK!!!

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 5:50 pm

With everything that i know right now about this case I would vote guilty. She would be convicted. I hope too for a grand jury indictment this week. So do thousands of other people. Jose Baez is an idiot who can’t make a very good point without the help of his associates or help from the judge. JOSE BAEZ is an idiot.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 5:56 pm

Don’t be so sure of Mr Baez’s idiot status. I can’t judge anyone from the little that has been seen so far. He seems to be your typical high profile case hounding lawyer. This case has brought them all out. The list of people making “statements” could be found on the cover of 20,000 old tabloids. I’m sure he is quite capable of handling this case.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 6:02 pm

Beside DUI cases he has only had one other homicide case and gues what they found him guilty.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 6:05 pm

I guess sitting at home, blogging, it’s easy to discredit a lawyer without having suffcient evidence to do so but I am willing to bet the prosecutors feel differently about him.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 6:10 pm

But enough of this mudslingging with lawyers and what not. I am here defending myself and my original statements today!!!

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 6:13 pm

Oh well, I guess Elaine 16’s no show today means I get no vindication. Maybe tomorrow then. Lol!

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 6:20 pm

Deb, it was june 25th when Casey told Amy about the smell in her car not mid June. I just went back and re-read the transcript The difference of mid june to june 25th makes lots of difference. There is also a text message on June 27th where Casey texted Amy that she just got rid of the source of the smell.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 6:25 pm

Many legal experts have said there is enough circumstantial evidence right now to charge her and get a conviction.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 6:27 pm

That maybe but not one of them is trying this case. Not one of them has any official evidence in hand so their statements are completely unjustified.

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 6:36 pm

Lou, I can’t argue just for the sake of arguing. I will continue to follow both the case and this post. If anyone has anything that can dispute what either Deb, or I have argued here today, I will be happy to take this back up again. And please don’t take any of this personally. I’m not an evil man nor am I a trouble maker. Just some harmless debating! Take care all!

Comment by Jeff — October 12, 2008 @ 6:40 pm

You are so right Jeff. I just wanted to point out to Deb that who cares what legal experts say. She said legal experts say the GJ would indict a ham sandwich.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 7:00 pm

Sorry Jeff,but you got the double dog dare first!
On your post #155 you say you are playing devils advocate but I didnt see one point from my previous post where I layed out my reasons for thinking her guilty (post #43)that you have rebutted. You need to
respond. Since I was out most of the day and just checked in I see a lot of back and forth but nothing concrete as far as disputing what most of us believe,
with some theories or alternative reasons for Casey’s behavior. If the State does in fact go to the grand jury their case wont be weak, but if it is the grand jury will not indict. We only have a few more days
and we will know. Still waiting Jeff, why dont you start with giving us your theory as to who has Caylee and why she was taken. Most of us dont believe anyone has her and we believe she is dead, killed by her mother and we have gone over ad infinitum the reasons why - give us some reasons why not.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 12, 2008 @ 11:29 pm

Also to Jeff in my post #137 I list a link there to the Evelyn Scott case from the appelate court
in California - you want to talk weak? Well,
they didnt have a body or a cause of death and
even though Mrs. Scott was quite wealthy, many women
have money but men dont murder their wives, so motive
was kind of weak as well. Scott was found guilty and got a life sentence and it held up in appeal. I suggest you follow that link and read up on that case.
It explains the States case and how they won
without a body, cause of death or even a clear motive
and, most importantly it held up in appeal and established a precendent as well.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 12, 2008 @ 11:50 pm

I’ve come to the conclusion that the anthony attorney who said the blogs were making negative impact has sent a person or two to this site to try to swing more people in favor of Casey. Jeff and Deb it’s not going to work here.

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 11:50 pm

In my post above I amend that to state that “Many women have money, but the majority of men down
murder their wives for their money”
sorry its late!

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 12, 2008 @ 11:51 pm

Elaine i still don’t think you got it right. Don’t you mean “don’t” rather than “down”?

Comment by Lou — October 12, 2008 @ 11:53 pm

To Lou in post #232, yes I agree with you on
this Jeff, Deb, Robin, Linn identity thing, it is confusing and difficult to believe they are not
all the same person or a couple of people with an
agenda.
Check out http://www.wordpress.com I follow that closely as well as others, I have to say all of the
blogs or crime websites are 100 percent behind her
being guilty. I havent seen one site where average
people such as ourselves who get a chance to comment
has had any postive comments on Casey or the Anthonys
and all believe her to be guilty. Here under various names, on this website, we have had some doubters.
I dont mind the doubters, however, their points are
weak, or non-existent and they rely heavily on
“not having seen enough evidence” which is no argument
at all as far as most of us are concerned as we feel
there is PLENTY of information out there to form
an opinion. An opinion that Casey Anthony is guilty.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 12, 2008 @ 11:58 pm

PROSECUTION HAS THE BURDEN OF PROOF!! YOU (ELAINE) HAVE NOT GIVEN ME ANYTHING CONCRETE I WOULD NEED TO DEFEND. Sorry about caps..Your statements in post #43 are not murder accusations. Evidence vs Evidence here.
The first thing Baez needs to say to the jury and the judge is “please disregard anything that comes out of my clients mouth, it is all lies and swill and I myself will testify to that”. And then take the case 1 piece of evidence at a time and tear it apart. I ask you to present me with one solid piece of evidence other than the fact that Caylee is missing.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 12:07 am

Yes, I follow the myfoxorlando missing caylee anthony blog. I’ve followed that one since the day they started that blog and it’s the same thing there out of all the hundreds of bloggers there are maybe 3 that say she is innocent but can’t give a valid point of why she is innocent. It’s ridiculous. There is even a poll on one of the news stations that ask should they charge Casey with murder. 97% of people said “Yes they should charge her!!!!!!!!”.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 12:07 am

And I never said Casey is not guilty!!!! I am arguing the lack of evidence at this time and feel that LE will screw the whole thing up if they go ahead with this right now!

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 12:11 am

And Christ already!! I am not this person or persons you think I am!! I posted once at word press last night for the 1st time!!!

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 12:16 am

Jeff, we don’t think you are linn- if you were you’d be trying to convince us about your credentials and how smart you are. But you may have been sent here to try to convince us to ignore everything that we know about this case and sway is in the opposite direction. it won’t happen here.

I don’t think you ever finished explaining the decomp. Tell us what you think it is? Where did the smell come from? Have you ever smelt death?

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 12:23 am

Now i’m 100% sure about Deb and Jeff.

Deb, Baez is not the attorney i was referring to. i’m talking about the other one who went on various talk shows (which you didn’t watch) and said these blogs (all blogs out there) were swaying public opinion.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 12:38 am

Yeah, Elaine- She’s definitely related to Linn. lol.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 12:40 am

He did not say negative things about the blogs. he said the blogs were swaying negative public opinion on this case. Baez has never commented on any blogs. he has only said that this case is being tried in the media.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 12:51 am

Deb,
I’m very sorry to hear about your dad. It must be an awful reminder to have to live with.

Lou & Elaine,
I really am just your average joe that has an opinion, just like the two of you. I don’t work for anyone involved in any way with this case. I just want what I feel everyone wants…JUSTICE. Regrettably, justice will never be served. Even if Casey is convicted, there is no justice for ending the life of a child. Justice cannot equal eye for an eye in this case. Caylee lived just under 3 years and if Casey murdered her, then she was killed by the person she looked to for protection. Nothing they can legally do to Casey would equal that. We have all seen media frenzy trials and the effect of public influence on them. Ramsey, Petterson, Simpson, even Rodney King. Trials don’t always go as planned and the seemingly insignificant always turns out to be a key factor in destroying concrete evidence. This case is circling that same perpetual sinkhole. If they find a body, they can lock this thing up. I can’t imagine a jury letting it slide in the presence of a dead 3yr old. It sounds to me there is enough evidence pointing towards econ trail as a place to search. I believe, if she is dead (by the hands of her mom) that she is there. And if she is there, they will find her. What is the harm in waiting? Waiting only benefits the prosecution.
It gives them the time they need to really nail this thing down. DONT BANK ON FORENSICS IN A MEDIA FRENZY CASE!!! Go get that solid, indisputable evidence.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 5:55 am

Looks like Tim Miller may be pulling out of the Caylee search. Just read it on myfoxorlando.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 8:47 am

There is no doubt that Caylee’s body will be found and when it is, I wonder what Mr. and Mrs. Anthony will think of their daughter. They have referred to her as a diabolical liar and now they want to protect her? Casey has weaved so many falsehoods, it difficult to try and get any rational thought out of it all. No one in this family appears to care anything at all about Caylee. The public and strangers has shown more compassion.

Comment by Nellie Ghinger — October 13, 2008 @ 9:57 am

To Jeff - I layed out bascially a case -it doesnt hinge on any one thing - as in the Scott case I referenced to you, take the totality of the entire case and couple it with the forensic evidence and you lay it out before a jury. We know that Casey was the mother of Caylee a 3 year old child. We know she was the last person to have Caylee in her care and we know she is missing. We know that not one word out of
Casey’s mouth has been the truth and that she brazenly lied to authorities and her parents about
where Caylee was. We know Caylee has been missing
for four months and there is no trace of her. We know
she could not as a 3 year old have left on her own accord. We know that there is no evidence of a babysitter, nor even as Casey had no job, how she could have paid for one. There are no witnesses who can testify that they have ever seen the babysitter,
been to her home, or had an address or phone number
for the fictional babysitter. We know Casey frequently took her child and stayed overnight with various friends when she told her mother she was working, even making up once an elaborate tale about
an auto accident where Zenaida had concussion and Casey had to go to the hospital - no such accident
occurred and no such records at the hospital exist.
She told that story because she was out all night
and had left Caylee with Cindy. We know she stole money from her parents and grandparents and then
Amy and we see on the video tapes how she spent that
money while Caylee was missing. We know from photographs and testimony how she spent her leisure
time with her friends partying and drinking going to nightclubs, beauty salons, etc. We have testimony
as to her unconcerned, and happy carefree behavior
during these times from her friends. We know she
borrowed a shovel and we know that cadaver dogs
hit on the backyard. We know the car smelled like
death and that forensic evidence has been found in the trunk along with large quantities of residue of chloroform. We know that her own father will testify
how she wouldnt let him near the trunk of the car.
We know that she has never cooperated with the
police nor said one credible word as to where Caylee
might be. We know that she lied repeatedly to her friends and that everyone thought she was working.
We know that she was NOT the one who reported her
daughter missing, rather her mother had to drag
her from her boyfriends apartment and finally call the police when she couldnt produce Caylee. We know
that Cindy suspected her and told her friends that
she was a liar and a thief. If you think that isnt
evidence, then you are sadly mistaken and shouldnt
serve on a jury because you cannot follow logically
a scenario that makes clear that this was a 22 year old who resented her child and was at odds with her family, particularly her mother over it. That things
came to a head when her plans to go to Puerto Rico
were thwarted and her mother was pressing her
more and more that she must take more care of Caylee
and that Casey suspected her mother would soon find
out she wasnt working and also find out about the theft of Amy’s money, and that Cindy would sue for
custody and throw Casey out of the house. Casey would then have no options at least in her mind and the
onus in the family would switch from Casey to Caylee.
This Casey could not have - so she killed her child.
Its happened many many times before - maybe for different reasons, but mothers kill their children.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 11:01 am

JEFF - I don’t know whether you have been assigned to this blog with the purpose of attempting to sway public opinion in this case - and quite frankly, I don’t care. From reading your posts, you are articulate, apparently intelligent, and seemingly unemotional and rational. Whether that is actually who you are and how you feel, or if you have been placed here to present in that way, again, I really don’t care! I appreciate your position and with you, wait for an equally articulated - and factually supported argument. I read through all these posts, posting only occasionally, but mostly just looking for information, for whatever its worth. But in reading all these OPINIONS, I feel your pain in pleading with everyone to support their positions with FACT, rather than information that they have internalized as fact. I suspect you grasp the distinction.

I, as a mother of a toddler, certainly understand how it becomes difficult to prevent our emotions, especially about such an unthinkable horror as a mother murdering her child, from clouding our judgement about this case. JUDGEMENT, for those who take on that responsibility, must be based on FACT, not pseudo-fact, laced with a strong emotion, heavily laden with media garbage, topped off with a nice dose of vigilantism. I find it concerning - alarming even - that as a population, so many can be so quick to internalize a piece of information as FACT, when it is nothing more that something someone said. Just because someone said it, because it is written somewhere, because you think it - DOES NOT MAKE IT FACT. I am totally with you on your quest to have someone, Elaine16, perhaps, provide ACTUAL EVIDENCIARY FACTS to support her case. Not what has been reported on news stations or talk shows, not info from other blogs, and certainly not from the mouths of any of the attorneys associated (or not) with this case. We must seek ACTUAL FACTS. It scares me that so few people seem to be aware of the impact that the media has on our/their thoughts and opinions. Undoubtedly, this case is extremely convoluted, and if Casey were tried in the media, she would be found guilty. All the more reason we need to be extra-careful to be mindful of the facts in this matter.

Now before I get crucufied, I do not claim to be an expert on this case, I am not in law enforcement, I am not an attorney, nor do I profess to have information I feel would be sufficient to sit on a jury and “judge” Casey in this matter. I just get frustrated reading this blog, because people don’t seem to differentiate between actual fact, and inforamtion they have internalized as fact. That said, we all have an emotional response to this case, and mine is this:
Although the information out there - whether fact or otherwise - doesn’t seem to support that Caylee is still alive, I AM HOLDING OUT HOPE THAT SHE IS ALIVE AND WELL, AND WILL BE FOUND AS SUCH, until I have ABSOLUTE reason to believe otherwise.

However, if she is gone, EMOTIONALLY, and as a mother, I believe Casey is responsible. But before I’d sit on a jury and convict her, I would need to see the PROOF.

God be with little Caylee, wherever she is.

Comment by glp — October 13, 2008 @ 11:36 am

Case in point - in Elaine16’s last post, she says:

“We know the car smelled like death” - perfect example.

What we know, is that people have said that there was a foul smell in the car, and it was likened by some people to the smell of a dead body. “WE” don’t KNOW the car smelled like “DEATH” (and I suspect in most cases, WE don’t even know what ‘death’ actually smells like, other than we have heard its really bad.) We only know what has been said, and that again, does not make it fact.

Comment by glp — October 13, 2008 @ 11:45 am

The only evidence that could show any kind of resentment towards Caylee is the “snot nosed brat” TM. Every mother makes comical negative statements towards their children from time to time. I agree with most of what you have written but the resentment motive is not there for me. I know that mothers kill their children but I honestly feel that if Casey was this kind of mom, Caylee would not have lived as long as she did. If Caylee is dead, it was an accident and she is hiding it. There is no way in hell this woman intentionally murdered her child.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 11:52 am

Thank you GLP.
If anyone feels I am anything other than your average concerned joe, here I am. Please be kind. I am postiong this info for the benefit of keeping this debate where it belongs, on the case and not on who I am.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=238972100

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 12:09 pm

Just read the article concerning Equusearch possibly backing out due to financial issues. This would be an awful shame. I understand Tim Millers stance on funds being utilized on one person and not spreading it around but Caylee has to be found.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 12:34 pm

The testimony of a police officer at the initial
hearing for a case of child neglect to be established
stated that the car smelled like death. He was a professional policeman with years of experience.
Secondly, two other professionals said the same
thing - Cindy a nurse, and George an ex-policman.
There is such a thing in the law as an exuberant
outburst though at this time, I cannot remember
the terminology however, it bascially is an outburst
by a witness which was unscripted and
said in the heat of the moment that can be used by the prosecution in a trial. Cindy’s statement that the “car smelled like there was a damn dead body in it” would be considered such an unscripted outburst. You may not take that as evidence, however, under oath, and when asked, that is exactly what the policeman who examined the car is going to state -
that the car smelled like death.
That in his years of experience he
has smelled the decomposition of a body and that
the car smelled like decomposition. Then they
will bring in the forensic evidence to support this.
Now as to Cindy later changing her statement that it was old pizza, which we know wasnt true - possibly Cindy might take the 5th amendment to not incriminate herself. As to George, in my opinion George is not going to cover up for Casey - I believe he will
testify truthfully to his direct knowledge and that
is why he is being called to the grand jury.
I think that Cindy and Lee very possibly might
have taken the fifth amendment if called. They have
not been called to testify before the grand jury.
As to actual “evidenciary facts - again, I ask
you to follow my link to the Evelyn Scott case
which was upheld on appeal. There was no EVIDENCE
whatsoever in that case - it was entirely circumstantial and I have layed out what I think,
sans the body, that circumstantial evidence will
be. You can convict without a body - you can
lay out the case as I have done by circumstances
and then add in the forensics you have. They wouldnt
be going to grand jury if they didnt think they
had enough for a bascially circumstantial case.
On the other hand - the defense is going to have
to counter the circumstantial evidence - just how
do you think they are going to explain it all away???

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 12:42 pm

Thanks Deb. I just want to see this case handled correctly. Caylee, wherever she is deserves that and much, much more.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 12:42 pm

Im sorry Elaine but you are comparing this to a 1959 trial. The publicity on this case alone will dictate that a result like Evelyns cannot take place. The majority of the public may feel Casey is guilty but would never stand for a non factual trial. People want evidence. Not circumstantial. Believe me when I tell you, if you ended up in this mess, you would want the jury to decide on evidence alone.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 12:59 pm

Circumstantial evidence has one place, and only one place in a trial. Opening statements. After that, leave that crap at the door and bring in reality.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 1:01 pm

I know this is a blog - an open forum where people are free to express their opinions, not a news reporting site. But is it just me, or does Elaine16 use an awful lot of “We know…”(s) in her posts? And in many cases, WE don’t KNOW - she, and perhaps many others, believe. My humble opinion is simply that there is a BIG difference.

Again, my gut feeling is that if Caylee has passed from this world, that Casey is responsible. But I don’t KNOW it. As for me, I will wait for proof to be sure.

DEB - I think quilting is a great thing to put on a myspace page. I LOVE quilts, and am envious of anyone who knows how (and makes the time) to do it! I say that because I am a single mother of a 2 1/2 yr old loving, super-active, precious little boy who leaves me little time for crafting, well, other than coloring, finger painting, cutting paper, and glue-sticking…

Comment by glp — October 13, 2008 @ 1:29 pm

I think you can get a conviction for circumstantial evidence. Remember the prosecution probably has evidence we dont even know about. My heart goes out to the grandparents, but let’s face it something is not right with them. They see what we do. They should just keep their mouth shut. They really look stupid saying there is rotting pizza in the trunk. Common sense here. Let’s just hope they find Caylee’s body so this case will hopefully be a slam dunk.

Comment by Keri — October 13, 2008 @ 1:45 pm

wow, there are way too many comments on here. wouldn’t it be great if we could all turn the passion we have about this case into something more positive?

Comment by tired — October 13, 2008 @ 1:45 pm

Yes Keri, convictions are possible with circumstantial evidence but to use your term, they are not a slam dunk. I agree as well with hopefully they find caylee. Then, I feel this case is an open and shut case just as you do. I have been arguing from the begining of this blog that I woould just like to see this case handled properly, and by that, I mean, wait on the grand jury indictment until they find caylee. Then, and only then, try this case.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 1:52 pm

I met slam dunk on this case if they find a body. But even if they do it doesnt mean a slam dunk. Jeff I say we leave it to the many professionals on this case when and if to try a case. I am sure there is alot WE DONT KNOW. It will be interesting………….

Comment by Keri — October 13, 2008 @ 1:56 pm

Keri, I agree.
This is just a debate and truth be told, it is actually research for me as well. I care deeply about justice being served in this situation.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 2:00 pm

I know its a debate and it’s cool that we all care deeply about this. This case is so so gutwretching. I do hope someone pays.

Comment by Keri — October 13, 2008 @ 2:05 pm

Deb, WOW!!
I was going to write a similar “evidence by evidence” dispute but quite frankly, I am just lacking the energy to point out what I think should be obvious to people in this blog. Clearly, it is not obvious to them. NICE WORK! Well crafted and more than enough for any reasonable person to see the possiblity of reasonable doubt.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 3:11 pm

Deb, you better go back and check the released evidence. The cash she stole was found in her purse and Cindy pocketed it the night she was found and the cops were there. The money she stole from the grandparents was by using the routing numbers not to get cash but to pay a bill.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 3:39 pm

Deb, not one thing that you posted could be used
by an attorney to dispute the facts of this case - not
one item in that long post.
When I posted what we do “know” I used only statements
and affidavids from released material for discovery.
Unless you think that all these people committed perjury than we do know these things. I also HEARD
these things, most of the interviews were taped - they have been released and are easily found on the internet. There was several hours of Cindy’s testimony as well as Tonys, Lee, George, Ricardo
and Amy. So when I posted what we know - we know it
unless you think they all lied.
Deb you say that we “dont know that Casey lied to the authorities about where Caylee was” What are you talking about??? Of course we know - because
they didnt find Caylee, the apartment was empty AND
Casey ADMITTED she lied, that is in her statements
that were recorded by the police interview. So
thats number 1 on your list where you are wrong.
Next, we do have evidence of certain places that
Casey was not, because there are surveillance
tapes that show that she wasnt where she said she was
and we have her cel phone pings pinpointing her
locations on certain days down. This is part of the
very compelling evidence for the grand jury.
Thats number 2, next you say we dont know where
Casey took Caylee when she stayed with her boyfriend
well, we do, she was at home with Cindy or sometimes
at the Grunds, again through sworn testimony to the times they took care of Caylee. Ricardo also
in his sworn testimony watched Caylee as well
so thats number 3 - No one saw the babysitter
that doesnt mean that she doesnt exist? Well,
I think shes going to have to bring a witness that
SHE DID exist or the jury wont believe her - that
is number 4
Who cares what Casey did during the day - she cannot prove that she worked anywhere and we can prove
she didnt work at Universal - where she went during those times - who cares? If she had Caylee she didnt need to take her to a sitter - she could take her with her and she did - point number 5
Ill go on faith that they have checked hospital
records and that there was no car crash - since
the Zenaida Gonzalez we know of didnt have a car
crash and we never have found another Zenaida,
lets just say (as you have agreed what a big liar
Casey is) that no Zenaida Gonzalez was involved in a
crash that day at that hospital - point 6
We DO know how Casey spent the money at target
we have the receipts which again, have been printed
up and are on the internet at multiple sites and
we know what she bought with that money such as beer,
toilet paper, various food stuffs, the hoodie sweatshirt she was arrested in, the white sunglasses
she still wears etc, point 7
We know where Casey was because of the pings on her
cel phone - we have photographs yes, but along with photographs we have sworn testimony by the friends
and acquaintances at the clubs as well again as surveillance tapes from the outside of those clubs
which are date/time stamped. So they can pinpoint
through testimony and surveillance videos when and where she was date and time, point 8
Next - I think you could defnitely dig a hole
small enough for a 3 year old in 45 minutes
That is easily proved by a demonstration. Maybe it was under the playhouse which was light and easy to move - then her parents wouldnt have noticed any disturbed earth, I dont think you have a chance
with that argument. point 9
Sorry but the car smelling like a decomposing body
will be testified to by experts - and then followed
up with a report by experts stating decomp in the car
again, very hard to dispute - just because you say
its pizza or anything else, again you have to give
a valid explanation and that wont wash because
of the forensics. point 10
Cadaver dogs, if certified are going to be difficult
to dispute, the thing would be to put a doubt in
a jurors mind about the dogs - if they bring enough
witnesses for the dogs on board, the defense will
have a hard time discrediting their use as they
are used extensively - remember ground zero?
Good enough for the government of the U.S., I think
they would be good enough in this case -point 11
Many jurors cannot believe a mother could be so
carefree if she murdered her child? Could the jury
believe she would be so carefree if her child
were just KIDNAPPED? Come on, that is really reaching here. Its not relevent if she was a so-called good
mother before hand, so were many other murderers.
point 12
On forensic evidence, it hasnt been presented,
I cannot aruge that, however, if it is, then
you will have to get some pretty good experts to dispute it at trial. You say there could be
compelling reasons for chloroform in the trunk, so
name some point 13
You say CAsey didnt want George to see that she
stole the gas cans thats why she didnt want him
near the trunk - again hello? - she GAVE him the gas
cans - she said and I quote from his sworn statement
“here are your f’ing gas cans” sorry - wont
wash - point 14
Yes Lots of defendents dont co-operate with the police
because - ta dum! they are criminals! How do you think jury will respond to your sweet innnocent
little Casey who doesnt help the police find her child? According to Baez, his statement a couple
of weeks ago - “we arent going to help the prosecution put my client away for life” sic
point 15
Next, there is Casey’s own words by text and by
others testimony that she did resent taking care
of Caylee - she didnt WANT Caylee - she wanted
her to be adopted. Casey wasnt working, her
meal ticket was the Anthonys - she obviously
had no desire to work or maybe couldnt get work &
if her mother took custody her meal ticket was over.
Casey by her own words said shes rather ‘chew her arm off that take care of Caylee” point 16
Puerto Rico trip to me was the trigger that set
her off - cant prove it, but again helps to set
state of mind point 17
Lastly, I dont see that you have put out any doubts
that could be “woven into a story” for the defense.
Like what? Where is the doubt you are talking about?
Doubt that she didnt lie? If you are truly being
objective - you have to acknowledge that Casey herself SAID she lied to the police. There isnt
any doubt about that. I havent seen one conclusive
thing that you have posted that would give a juror
any doubts. But we shall see.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 3:43 pm

To Jeff - why dont you try - point by point this time
Id really be interested in seeing what you can come up with -

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 3:48 pm

Deb,
Take a look around…It’s october….Halloween time and the ZOMBIES are plentiful!! I really feel that we are debating to a brick wall here. No offense to Elaine and Lou but Jesus!!! She is just showing possiblities of defenses. You asked for that and thats what you got. This is not a trial. The real issue is we feel a body would help lock this up and dont want to see it get screwed up by going in to fast!

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 3:50 pm

Elaine…read 272

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 3:54 pm

Yes I read it but there is no point by point
“evidence” from Deb - saying it “isnt so”
doesnt make it so. Ive got point by point to
show that nothing Deb has written is an actual
valid response to a prosecution witness
or statement. The prosecution can make all these
valid and compelling points, and they will use
forensics, sworn testimony, photographs, cell phone
pings, and establish timeline and ability to have
a carried out the crime. All I got from Debs post
was that the defense would say it doesnt prove anything? This is not a credible defense - you have
to have SOMETHING to sway the jury. You cant just
say, hey everyone says she was a great mother,
but she likes to party! give the girl a break,
so she cant remember where and who she left her with?
So what? Shes a great mother!
Yeah, right

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 4:05 pm

Elaine,
This is exactly why I will not spend the nest two hours typing out possible scenarios the defense will use. Both you and Lou refuse to be objective about this. It is understandable. This is very emotional and that alone tends to close minds. Deb made some very valid examples and went through all of that to try to enlighten you to the possibility that the prosecution could fail. And she is exactly right when she says the defense has only to poke holes in the prosecutions story. The defense does not need to show what Casey was doing. It is just not needed.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 4:14 pm

This is why the fifth amedment is so popular. Dont say anything. Let the prosecution make all their accusations then beat the hell out of those accusations. NO NEED TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING!! I promise you Casey will never take the stand!! Jose Baez will tell the judge and the jury that Casey on the stand is a useless endeavor and frankly, a waste of time because she will lie through her teeth. Right there, by doing this, he leaves the prosecution with no where to go. All that is left is forensic evidence that can be shot full of holes by the defenses expert witnesses. It will come down to….NO BODY, NO CONVICTION.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 4:21 pm

Sorry, you dont have to spend a minute typing something that there really is no defense of.
Im sure Baez will come up with forensic experts
to try to rebutt the physical evidence, to me
thats going to be the extent of his having a shot
at succesfully defending Casey. You might not think what I presented was damning - but you dont present
one scenario besides the fake babysitter story,
for what could be remotely possible, tied together with what we do KNOW about Casey.
You and Deb are the ones who arent objective because
you cant give us one good reason for her being not guilty except that… what? no one saw her or
video taped her doing the deed? Sorry, you need
a little more than that to rebut what the State has.
As you are in the minority from what I have read,
and I have provided you websites where there are lots more opinions to the belief that she is guilty I can only surmise you are the ones with the closed minds!
Finish this sentence: I think Casey Anthony is
innocent because….
but you cannot use “no one has proved it”
Give us your genuine major reason that she didnt
harm her child. People do form beliefs - saying no one has proved it, well you have to have a little more than that. I have provided the reasons that
I think she IS guilty - you or Deb havent provided
one scenario to explain all this. Neither can you,
at least that is MY belief.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 4:26 pm

One other thing -if the babysitter took her,
why did she take Caylee and did she kill Caylee?
If so why look for Caylee alive? With the
world wondering about this case -would a person
that took a child, for whatever reason, not just
return her, and then take off for parts unknown?
How many years have to go by with no sign of Caylee
until you believe she is dead? Motive motive
motive

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 4:30 pm

I surrender Elaine! I cannot finish your sentence because I NEVER SAID SHE WAS INNOCENT!!!!!!!!! I freakin hate Casey Anthony!! SCUM OF THE EARTH!!!
Why is it you have not sleuthed your way through this reality and stop treating me like I am defending the piece of ****?

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 4:34 pm

Whoa! sorry, didnt mean to rile you up. I got
it, you think she is guilty - I just never knew!

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 4:39 pm

Good lord woman!! I don’t have an opinion as to guilty or innocent!! I am just concerned that LE is moving to a GJ indictment too fast and is jeopardizing the outcome of this case.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 4:42 pm

Cindy Anthony accused state attorney Lawson Lamar of seeking an indictment for political gain.

The above statement came from Cindy Anthony today
I got it from http://www.wesh.com

I guess that was to be expected - blame everyone
but Casey.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 4:43 pm

Just something on the Equuisearch website. Someone earlier was talking about the Search. This info is what is posted. I personally thought he would start the search this weekend, but I guess not.

Texas EquuSearch to be in North Carolina and FloridaTexas EquuSearch is returning soon to Orlando, Florida to continue the search for Caylee Marie Anthony. Tim Miller is traveling to Orlando this weekend to check out the conditions for the search and deteremine when and where the next search will take place. We will not be searching this weekend. If you hear differently, remember that unless it comes directly from Tim Miller, or someone from Administration of Texas EquuSearch, it is a rumor. As soon as we have a search date and place established, we will post it here on our website.

What’s funny is EVERYONE is so fired up. What’s Miss Anthony doing? Proably just chillin without a care in the World. We dont even personally know this little girl yet we feel like we do. The mom could give a S@#$. I dont think Jeff or Deb think she is guilty at all. They are just trying to see all sides. I was initially irritated with Jeff (sorry :() but I do see his side. I THINK WE ALL JUST WANT THIS TO END.

Comment by Keri — October 13, 2008 @ 4:44 pm

Lol!! I get that alot Keri (Everybody is initially irritated with me). I choose personally not to side with guilty or innocent because I am not involved. Every piece of information I recieve in this case is impossible for me to personally verify so therefore, I cannot personally take a side.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 4:51 pm

One other thing to Deb about the age of the Scott
trial in 1959 not being relevant. You see all those
law books lined up behind most lawyers when
they are on TV? - Well thats because those books
are full of case law. As far back as Dredd Scott
(year 1857) and as long as they have been recording cases, case law is what is used by attorneys to bolster their arguments. So it doesnt not matter
one bit the year of the Scott trial - lawyers
can and do go much further back in time for
decisions that help their case.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 4:53 pm

OMG!!! This is unbearable!

“Finish this sentence: I think Casey Anthony is
innocent because….
but you cannot use “no one has proved it””

BUT NO ONE HAS PROVED IT!!!!!

Comment by glp — October 13, 2008 @ 4:55 pm

Deb,
I believe Jose Baez will use that very fact to his advantage. Keep the trial in Florida, and investigate the jurors while the case is being tried. If a guilty plea comes up, he only needs to show solid evidence that the jury was swayed by the public then he can get another trial with more evidence against the same old forensics thrown against him in the original trial.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 4:55 pm

Note to Mr Baez…If you are reading this blog, I get $350.00 per hour for potential defense stratagies!!!! Lol!!

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 5:00 pm

Elaine,
It was I who mentioned the age of the Scott case.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 5:04 pm

Deb - I do so relish this time with my little one, even at the expense of having no me-time… I know that time passes all too quickly, it already has. He is growing up before my very eyes… I am happy to dedicate this time to him and trade my grown-up crafts for construction paper and finger paints just to see him smile with delight at his works of art!

And God bless you for trying, but you are beating dead horse when it comes to getting most people around here to accept anything except that Casey is absolutely guilty of first degree murder of her daughter. If you have any thoughts to the contrary, or evidence, even, don’t bother presenting it here. One and only one opinion is valid here. And its not yours, or Jeff’s, in case you were wondering!

Sorry for my sarcasm!

Comment by glp — October 13, 2008 @ 5:08 pm

Fox just announced if Casey is indicted on capital murder charges Baez isn’t qualified for it and will have to step down for the case.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 5:14 pm

cant find it Lou…do you have a link?

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 5:25 pm

I havent found it either. On Fox it does say now all of a sudden that Equuisearch may have to end search due to the economy. Apparently they have put forth 44k and only recouped 12k. They said this news just came out right when George was getting set to testify. Very strange. Tim said he would make his final decision by today. This all comes on the heels of a “private” meeting with the Anthony’s this weekend. What’s changed? Gosh I feel like a detective. LOL

Comment by Keri — October 13, 2008 @ 5:46 pm

Very nice, to have you think that a mistrial
would be a really good thing in the Anthony case.Its
obvious even though you say to the contrary that
your agenda is seeing her get off.
Yes, lets let her get away with murder ah,- I dont think so. And to Jeff - you are absolutely incorrect
when you say that older case law is not used - it most certainly is used. Baez in last weeks trial was
critized for his lack of use of case law. The judge in my opinion gave him a lot of lattitude in the motions that he filed, probably knowing if she is indicted this week for murder, he would have gotten that evidence anyway. Deb, anytime you want
to put down some real evidence that could be used
to prove her innocent please do so - because we
certainly havent heard one word about it here.
When I asked for a belief in her innocence I was
not asking you to prove it - I asked for someone
to give me a genuine scenario of the events as they have occured and why you think she is innocent.
That is completely different. I have given my reasons for believing her guilty - Ive spelled them out.
That is different from saying I can prove it.
If you believe she is innocent - then why is
she innocent? and no, again you cant say because
we cant prove it. You have to believe in Casey.
Do you people believe in Casey Anthony? Is that
the reason? You believe she gave her child to the babysitter? Is that what you believe? You believe
she partied and didnt report her missing because
the babysitter was taking good care of her? Is
that what you believe? Why dont you say so?
Why is Casey Anthony innocent? Why do you believe
she is? Your feeling has to come from somewhere.
Because mothers dont kill their children? ah, cant
use that one, they do all the time.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 6:08 pm

Within the law there is no such thing as “old case law” there is only the law and the recorded decisions
within the law both from judgements and the appellate
courts. From these United States every kind of crime
imaginable has been committed. A great deal of time
is spent in research. Killing a relative is as old as Cain and Abel and the defense could hinge upon a recorded case which is just as old!

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 7:01 pm

Looks like Deb isn’t really sure what she thinks about Baez. or maybe she changes her mind based on what she’s arguing. see posts 219 and 302

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 7:13 pm

The more I read comments by Deb, the more she sounds like Cindy Anthony.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 7:20 pm

From the Criminal Report Daily website:

For those of you not familiar with the Jennifer Kesse case, she is a 27-year-old woman who was last seen in Orlando on Jan. 24, 2006.

In related news, Jennifer’s mother, Joyce Kesse, has allegedly signed a petition that was started to stop the Lifetime Network from moving forward with an alleged deal, in which the Anthony family was reportedly offered $2 million dollars for Casey Anthony’s story. The message that is attributed to Joyce reads in part:

“Please DO NOT pay one cent for this reported upcoming movie. This is the most bizarre of all missing person’s cases. The multitude of lies, mistruths etc is insulting to those of us with missing children, who do everything we can to find our children. Our daughter, Jennifer Kesse, age 24, abducted on January 24, 2006 from Orlando, with the Orlando Police Dept. as lead investigators, remains missing. This case will ultimately desensitize our communities when the next child goes missing due to this families actions or shall I say, lack of pro-activeness.”

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 7:20 pm

Deb, tell me about the several holes that you have found that you have no explanation for. If they are there, tell me what they are.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 7:30 pm

cindy is as crazy as her nutty daughter is.

Comment by sally — October 13, 2008 @ 8:41 pm

So Tim found a size 6 dress exactly like one casey had by the orlando airport.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 8:51 pm

The dress has been sent to the lab for dna testing. They are getting close if they don’t have her body already. i have heard they found partial remains of Caylee that testing just came back on. Maybe we’ll know tomorrow.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 8:53 pm

yeah, cindy, casey is as much of a victim as caylee. you need psychiatric help and fast.

Comment by sally — October 13, 2008 @ 8:57 pm

Just read this on Fox 35 home page:

Should Casey face a homicide charge, she could be going to trial with a new lead counsel. FOX 35 has learned from the president of the Criminal Defense Attorney’s Association that Baez might not be permitted to represent Anthony in a first degree murder trial.

Richard Hornsby said Baez does not meet the standards set forth by attorneys in capital cases. To be lead counsel you must:

have had five years experience as an attorney
served as co-counsel on two death penalty cases
demonstrated proficiency and commitment which exemplify quality representation in capital cases
However, Baez could still be part of a legal team. Todd Black, spokesperson for Baez, offered this response on Monday:

“It will not change the commitment of the Baez Law Firm and they are fully prepared if an indictment is handed down to represent Ms. Anthony to the fullest.”

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 9:16 pm

The dress that Tim Millers group found was an intact
size 6. I think if it was a size 6T it might have
fit a three year old, but its a stretch. Usually
an average 3 year old wears about a 4T (for toddler)
a regular size 6 would be way to big for a 3 year old.
Also the dress was found “intact” according to Tim
Miller - I dont think this dress will come to anything. What I found more interesting tonight is
that Cindy Anthony has told someone she will never
speak to Tim Miller again. This came from Tim
Miller himself - so it wasnt heresay and all meetings
were cancelled with the Anthony family and TES.
If the Anthony’s think that Caylee is still alive,
OK, Im up with that, but they dont KNOW. So why
would they resent Tim searching for Caylee if dead?
Wouldnt they want to know one way or the other?
Wouldnt they want to give her a proper burial?
The reason that they dont want him to search is
that they dont want a body found - period. No other
reason it could be. Again, so Cindy can protect and
cover for Casey. Cindy today on the case was just as usual out in left field. Saying she talked to a marine
who wonders what hes fighting for because there is no justice in this country. Unbelievable. I liked it better when Cindy kept her mouth shut. The psychologist today on NG stated she felt that
Cindy was aware that Caylee was dead, but had to
try now to save Casey. I believe that. People are
begging TES and Tim Miller to come to search for
other children. He is out of pocket $44,000.00 with
only $5000.00 given to him by the Sheriffs department.
I know he wasnt expecting a thank you from Cindy,
but she didnt have to insult him the way she did.
Tim showed a lot of class, he said it wasnt about
Cindy, it was about finding Caylee. He has a lot
more class than Cindy will ever have. To call
Casey Anthony a victim in this by Cindy today
was just such an outrageous statement I can hardly
stomach it. Yes, poor girl, she was leading the life
of Riley on stolen money from her close friend
Amy, partying, shopping, cleaning… out Amys
checking account. Tsk Tsk - really a BIG victim,
Cindy. Not a word about how sorry you were to
Amy whose account your daughter stole the money from.
Amy’s someone daughter too, she is definitely
a victim here - Casey’s victim. Cindy is as big
a piece of work as Casey.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 9:29 pm

Elaine- it’s not really a stretch. if they got it at the Disney store - it runs smaller. I bought my daughter and granddaughter outfits there this past April and my grand daughter who is 3 (and by the way looks much like Caylee) wore a size 5 from there and she’s outgrown it already. my daughter who was 5 at the time had to get a 9/10.

Did you notice that Cindy wasn’t wearing her Caylee t-shirt and she had her hair done and make up on too.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 9:37 pm

Hey folks!! It’s me again! I guess tomorrows the big day? (or at least the start of it). I have to tell you… I know there has been a lot of heated debate in here and I’m sure it will continue. I do find it facinating how the differnt personalities come to surface in such a debate. I have never been exposed to such raw defensiveness (well, maybe my ex-wife) about a subject that none of us have anything to do with. It is almost as if we were arguing religion.
As if we have something to loose depending on the outcome of this case.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 9:50 pm

Yes, Jeff I have something to lose. My faith in justice. and I would like to continue to believe that the good guys always win ant that good always triumphs evil.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 9:54 pm

I will probably start a web page/movement to create new laws involving journalism in the aftermath of this case. I have found it completly discouraging how the media cannot just report the news. Not take sides and resemble a crowd circling a fight taunting their favorite side. I do believe all of this will have a disasterous result on this case. Gives me plenty of ammo.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 9:59 pm

The media is still the same as it has been for the last several years.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 10:03 pm

I gotta tell you jeff, i haven’t seen any journalist state that casey is guilty. they are just reporting facts as they come out. When they follow casey they’ve never said “you’re guilty” they simply ask her where caylee is or is she scared of the grand jury.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 10:05 pm

Yes it is. I believe it all went downhill after desertstorm. Someone told them they were used as a weapon through disinformation and it went to there heads. Now thet act like an angry mob making the news, not reporting it.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 10:06 pm

jeff, i know this site is just about Caylee. i haven’t forgotten that but i am curious to ask what your opinion is on drew peterson? or anyone elses opinion for that matter.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 10:07 pm

NANCY GRACE…SIMON BARRETT…ECT….Give me a break lou

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 10:08 pm

I have not researched Drew Peterson enough to debate but the guy does creep me out!

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 10:10 pm

Nancy grace is not a journalist. she’s a former prosecutor and it hasn’t left her.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 10:17 pm

Nancy Disgrace is my ultimate pet peave. She has no place in law or journalism and I will make it my mission in life to put that …thing….out of work.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 10:20 pm

and simon barrett is an author, director, producer. so when you say journalists i’m thinking kathy belich, jessica d’onfrio, etc. the local journalists actually covering this story. YOU give me a break.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 10:21 pm

She is a menace to society and a total destructive force to justice. CNN’s version of a “shock jock”.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 10:22 pm

Hey jeff, you sound like you’ve been involved in some kind of crime and maybe she prosecuted you??????

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 10:23 pm

Besides to many people LOVE NANCY. She’s not going anywhere.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 10:24 pm

I would at this point in the conversation like to interject and remind people who visit here that Dawn and I are NOT objective journalists, although we do try to look at and present all sides of a story before offering our opinion…we don’t always succeed, but we try. This is a blog, these are our opinions. This is not CNN or your local news affiliate.

We are bloggers and these are our opinions.

Comment by k — October 13, 2008 @ 10:24 pm

Does she not report news and information? or for that matter…Simon???? of course they do.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 10:24 pm

ok k. what is your opinion on what is likely to happen tomorrow. or what would you like to see happen?

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 10:28 pm

jeff, simons kind of cool too but that’s just my opinion.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 10:29 pm

Beauty of America. Everyones entitled to an opinion!
Never been involved with Ms Disgrace..sorry!

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 10:38 pm

The opinions expressed here are just that - opinions.
Nancy Grace’s show is also opinions, she has
experts on - and to be fair she has a lot of defense
attorney’s on, which gives many of them exposure, and
they advocate opinions in the defendents favor,
so its not one-sided. I think Grace was probably
a very good prosecutor - her fiance was murdered
about 25 years ago. She was a crime victim as
was Tim Miller, Marc Klass and John Walsh - all
with relatives that were murdered. I think they all
have a great passion for VICTIMS. Each
of these people took a road in life to help
other victims - Nancy Grace as a prosecutor
and I think she is to be commended for that. Shes
tough and she cuts through the bull. If you dont like
her style, you dont have to watch her, but many
many people admire her and there is a lot of good
information on her show. When listening to Cindy today
she continually stated her “sources” or she heard
this or that but named no one. Everyone has their
secret sources for information it seems. Yes Lou,
I noticed that Cindy was dressed and made up as well.
It so hard to by sympathetic towards Cindy especially,
though I do feel sorry for George. I remember the
Scott Peterson case very well. Mr and Mrs Peterson
seemed like really decent people and they defended
their son, but I never felt the animosity that I feel
for Cindy toward the Petersons. They loved their son
and wanted to believe him, I understood that. I can understand Cindy not wanting to lose Casey, but
her granddaughters life has been taken - she should do what is right for Caylee first. We have heard
Cindy’s own words about Casey and they were pretty
harsh during the beginning of this terrible ordeal.
And then after they realized that Casey probably had
something to do with Caylees death - Cindy starting
throwing everyone else under the bus to save Casey.
She would have been better served to say nothing.
She said herself today that she has been
ridiculed -and she has. Cant she see why?

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 10:47 pm

Personally, I feel that LE knows that there is worldwide coverage of this case due to the internets. I don’t think they would go to a GJ if they didn’t feel they could get an indictment.

Based both on what I have read and my gut feelings/opinions, I would like to see Casey charged relating to the disappearance and possible murder of her child. Just what she would be charged with, I’m not sure, not up on the latest legal legalities. But in my opinion there is plenty of evidence to show that she, at the absolute very least, had something to do with it.

That is my gut feeling after having followed this for a while now. However, I realize that for every explanation, there is another explanation…some are plausible and some are a stretch. I don’t think this will the the slam-dunk people seem to assume it is going to be.

Comment by k — October 13, 2008 @ 10:48 pm

K…My place here is strictly research for a number of projects…One is a novel I am writing. Any and all info used from my bloggings here will strictly be resemblance in my novel. NO LEGAL ISSUES. I am honestly concerned for this Caylee case but my main goal is the study of emotion and the effect on the average person subjected to media bombardment.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 10:51 pm

This blog sure does seem to attract people researching and studing people. Jeff you really ought to let us know first that you are researching us.

Comment by Lou — October 13, 2008 @ 10:59 pm

Uhm.. that kind of defeats the purpose lou.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 11:02 pm

The interesting thing about the grand jury in Florida
is that they indict for capital cases - a capital
case involves the death penalty. They must be
going to charge her with a form of murder
such as child abuse that results in death,
which is a capital offense i.e. death penalty case.
Otherwise if it was a lessor charge, they wouldnt
need the grand jury. That is what I read in the grand jury handbook of Florida which I posted somewhere
above in the comments section. There is also something else about the timing. Something about
Florida law that says if CAsey were to have changed
her plea in the child neglect case to guilty, there
was a chance they couldnt bring a more severe charge
of murder against her later. Now this is confusing
but its been brought up before and there were
differing opinions regarding the Florida statute on this. I remember this argument from a show Greta
Van Susteren did. So there also might be haste
in coming to the GJ for that reason as well. Also
someone said something about LE not really wanting
to go to the GJ now, but that this statute was
of real concern. I tried to find something on it
on line but it wasnt clear. If she is indicted
for murder LE will drop the child neglect charges,
that was the consensus of opinion about that from
some of the lawyers.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 11:04 pm

Makes ya think to yourself ..why did Jose Baez not take advantage of these facts?

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 11:11 pm

To Jeff - the media bombardment as you call it,
only affects people who are interested in the subject.
And we are not being bombarded, we seek out this information, watch all these shows, and blog
because we are interested - not because we
are being bombarded. My daughter and sister
are news junkies too - but neither one of them
knows much about this case because frankly, they could care less. One is interested in the arts,
the other in economics.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 11:11 pm

Maybe Jose Baez is a lousy lawyer? Its a moot point now, GJ meets tomorrow - if they dont indict,
maybe he will check case law and find the statute
and plead her out guilty on the neglect charges.
I really HATE to do his work for him!

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 11:14 pm

I dont think we will know anything tomorrow - it might take at least two days for presentation
of evidence and witnesses or longer - then they
jurors must meet and discuss - so maybe it will
take a week or longer. One thing I do know
is that the FBI will testify and we have no clue
or leaks as to what they have.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 11:26 pm

Elaine,
Try to be reasonable here. “Do his work for him”? He is well aware of all laws in Florida. My god!! This is not some idiot off the streets.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 11:27 pm

Not to take any sides, but I would like to point out that many, many people use teh interwebs, messageboards, and comments sections as research for one thing or another. It just isn’t too often that they admit it. Poisons the well, so to speak.

Comment by k — October 13, 2008 @ 11:29 pm

wordpress.com has a video of Caylee - its so sad to see her.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 13, 2008 @ 11:33 pm

K.. got all the research I needed days ago! Just here to continue the debate now.

Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2008 @ 11:34 pm

Wont be back till tomorrow night sometime…busy day tomorrow.

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 12:35 am

what did cindy say about nancy grace?

Comment by sally — October 14, 2008 @ 1:14 am

Deb you are in extreme denial or your denial
is simply because you have another agenda - and
Im sorry, but the longer you stay on this post
the more Im convinced you are Linn - because your
style of writing and the length of your posts
is very similar. I dont care who you are, I only
care that everyone here be honest when posting.
Because someone changes their name on this post,
and chooses to post again under a different name
seems to me to be deceptive in the extreme. At least
most of us are confident enough of our opinions
to not do that.
Even if Cindy believes Casey is alive, why would she resent Tim Miller of TES searching JUST IN CASE? In the case of a missing child all options need to be kept open - isnt that correct? There is evidence
that Caylee MIGHT be dead - so Cindy doesnt want
to accept that, but deep down, she must have some
doubts. People all over the country are begging
Tim Miller and his group to search for their loved
ones and they have come to search for Caylee and
Cindy takes exception to that? Really, Cindy
isnt worth doing anything for. Cindy Anthony is
as big a liar as Casey - maybe bigger. For Cindy
Anthony to IGNORE even the smallest possibility that
her little granddaughter is laying cold and alone
exposed to the elements in some swamp and she
CHOOSES, yes CHOOSES, to let her stay there by
not wanting anyone to search and, I might add
even helping to assist in that search is unbelievable.
All for that snothead, Casey. I hope they throw
the book at her and Cindy too. They deserve jail.
I would have been out everyday looking for my granddaughter. Except for George driving around
town with that sign on a truck - Ive never seen
Cindy or Casey search for Caylee. They are two
of the biggest deceivers I have ever seen. Save
your breath regarding these two, even if Casey
doesnt get indicted, justice has a way of being
served. There will be justice for Caylee one
day, I have to believe that. I have great respect
for Tim Miller and what he does - and his dislike
of Cindy is palpable, it came right through the
TV when I was watching him last night. I trust
Tim Miller and his judgement = the man spends his
life around grieving relatives - he knows what
Cindy and Casey are, hes just too much of a gentleman
to say it.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 10:12 am

Cindy Anthony broke off all meetings with Tim Miller
and said she would never speak to him again.
Why? because she doesnt want him to search - it
doesnt fit in with her plans. Logical conclusion
she doesnt want a body found - i.e. she doesnt
want Caylee’s body found. That is despicable
because no matter what she believes, she cannot
KNOW, therefore she is protecting Casey at the
expense of Caylee. And yes, that makes me angry
because she has now thrown her granddaughter
off the bus for Casey as well as throwing suspicion
on all of Casey’s friends and especially Jessie
Grund. There is a sickness there when it comes
to Casey.
On investigation ID which is Criminal Report daily with David Lohr, there is a possibility that the dress was planted or is “suspect”.
As to Cindy, she has repeated and knowingly lied
after Casey was arrested, maybe you excuse that
because she is Casey’s mother. I dont. From
the old pizza, to the statement that Casey will
be found “mother of the year” she has been on
television shows, radio and in print constantly
trying to deflect suspicion from her daughter knowing
what she was saying wasnt true. I believe they
didnt call her to the grand jury because she would
have pled the fifth or not answered at all. Thats
obstruction and Cindy Anthony is responsible for
the ramping up of feelings in this case with her
behavior. She is the fuel that has made the fire.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 11:33 am

Y’know, if you give certain people enough rope…

Comment by k — October 14, 2008 @ 11:34 am

Baez and Casey to hold a press conf at 1:30. This circus is getting crazier. Pray for her Dad. He just acknowledged testifying AGAINST his daughter.

Expect a Murder Charge……………..

Comment by Keri — October 14, 2008 @ 1:16 pm

At the press conference Baez says that if indicted
Casey will turn herself in and that the grand jury
meeting now to indict his client is nothing more than a political ploy by the DA to help him
get elected in November. Casey managed to
squeeze a few tears out - for herself.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 3:03 pm

Testimony for the grand jury is over. They will now
deliberate whether to charge her or not.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 3:04 pm

she makes me physically sick. My heart is tore out for Caylee.

Comment by Keri — October 14, 2008 @ 3:15 pm

Hi all..Back again. Just finished reading all I missed this morning. I see we are hanging Cindy Anthony now? The woman is a saint!! She is doing what family does..stick by your loved ones until you have definite reason to turn away. I love this woman..she has been through more than most people will experience in a lifetime and is still keeping it together! She is the definition of a mothers love.

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 3:27 pm

Who I call a saint would be George Anthony. No father should ever have to testify against their own child. Who knows what you would do in their shoes, how awful. Calling her a saint would go a little far. She should stick my her kid however she shouldnt be in denial. She should just keep her mouth shut, ie blaming the elections, etc. I think she is in Total Denial.

Comment by Keri — October 14, 2008 @ 3:33 pm

for post #369 - yes, stick by your loved
ones - but what about Caylee? I guess Cindy
didnt really love her. Everything is always
about Casey for Cindy.
The grand jury should decide soon.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 3:34 pm

The woman is sticking by her ENTIRE family. I would hope she is in denial. If she wasn’t, I would start looking at her as a possible murderer. A mothers love in situations like this is always 90% denial. There is no reason to be angry with her. Elaine..Are you really questioning if Cindy loved Caylee? Thats kind of screwed up considering the statements and actions that have transpired in this case. And if you don’t like Cindy, then how can you like George. He sticks by his wife and was FORCED to testify against his daughter.

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 3:41 pm

cindy’s loyalty is to her daughter, and it should be to her missing granddaughter. cindy is anything but a saint. she is a messed up person, no wonder casey has turned out so badly.

Comment by sally — October 14, 2008 @ 3:44 pm

The GJ will only determine if there is enough evidence for more serious charges. Of course there is.
If I sat in a room with forensic experts and started spouting off technobabble at a bunch of laymen about how all this points towards murder with no one challenging my statements, I could get anyone charged with murder.

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 3:46 pm

Sally, sorry but your post 373 is not even worthy of a reply. THE WHOLE REASON THE POLICE ARE EVEN INVOLVED AND SEARCHES HAVE TAKEN PLACE IS BECAUSE OF CINDYS LOVE FOR HER GRAND DAUGHTER

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 3:51 pm

I am just curious what you ALL think. will there be a decison today? And what will it be? Manslaughter, murder? Just wondering…..

Comment by Keri — October 14, 2008 @ 3:52 pm

Keri,
That would be much easier to answer if we knew what evidence was being put forth. I suspect the charge will be Child neglect/abuse , death resulting.

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 3:56 pm

and cindy has since done a 180 now that she realizes caylee is dead and her daughter killed her either accidentally or on purpose. cindy knows the truth regardless of what she says publicly.

Comment by sally — October 14, 2008 @ 3:59 pm

Go get proof sally, then argue that one.

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 4:02 pm

just heard murder one, but not sure if true…

Comment by Keri — October 14, 2008 @ 4:04 pm

Keri,
Do you have a link for the possible murder one info?

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 4:05 pm

Jeff: it is orlandosentinel.com. They have handed it down as a capital crime. Wont tell us until defendant is taken into custody.

Comment by Keri — October 14, 2008 @ 4:08 pm

Thanks Keri..Checking it out

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 4:09 pm

Lol…I like the whole..Unidentified person indicted of a capital crime…”identity will not be disclosed until SHE is arrested”!

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 4:18 pm

Hmmm….Must be Felony Murder..I doubt 1st degree murder is the charge.

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 4:31 pm

I think this is a critical mistake for the prosecution. They just don’t have the evidence to support that one. UNLESS THEY HAVE A BODY AND OR A WITNESS.

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 4:34 pm

Local 6 is reporting Casey Anthony has been indicted
for a capital crime, thats all I got for now

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 4:43 pm

The following is from a blogger on the scene in Orlando:

State Attorney Lawson Lamar did not speak with the media after the presentation of the true bill to Judge Belvin Perry. Because the defendant who was indicted is not in custody, the judge sealed the indictment. Lamar said it was a captial crime — one punishable by death. We won’t know more for a bit, perhaps as is expected, Casey Anthony is taken into custody. She is at her parents’ house.

The judge did agree at this time that the defendant will be head on no bond.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 4:46 pm

This from wftv.com:

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — Officials with the Orange County Sheriff’s Office said Casey Anthony was in custody Tuesday afternoon following an indictment on capital murder charges handed up by a grand jury less than an hour earlier. It was unclear where she was being held. end
Casey has been charged with a death penalty offense
or capital crime if you will.
I think child abuse that results in death is also
a capital offense.
In any case, the grand jury, a group of people
who have sworn to follow the evidence without
prejudice and bring in a true bill or no bill
have indicted her. For you Jeff, who think
now, like Cindy that EVERYONE is tainted, I say
you are grasping at straws. If you dont trust
anyone dont get into trouble in this country.
Baez standing there with Casey, finally showing
her face after all this time and trying to squeeze
out a tear or two was pathetic. They wouldnt have
indicted her without justification. Now it will
go to the petit jury of 12 to decide.
The evidence must be very strong to make it a capital
offense.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 4:53 pm

As to Cindy and her unconditional love - sometimes
you have to do what is RIGHT - and its not right
to defend Casey no matter what the cost. Cindy
might not be charged with anything - she probably wont
be - but in the end she will suffer for covering
up for Casey and not doing the right thing for
Caylee. Actually her suffering is now going to get
a lot worse as the terrific tole a trial takes on
the family is going to start for them now. Their
reputation is ruined, their daughters life is in ruins
and their granddaughter is dead - that is enough
punishment for anyone.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 4:57 pm

Great news. There was supposedly a piece of information they just got back from the FBI last week regarding some evidence that was a critical piece for this proceeding. I am very curious to know what that was.

Comment by TJ — October 14, 2008 @ 4:58 pm

Though I believe Casey Anthony is without a doubt guilty that still remains just my opinion. Though I do respect Deb and Jeff opinions, I also am a big believer in “common sense”. Of course we dont know everything and all the evidence, defending Casey kinda makes me sick. We should be giving all our energies into that little girl. This was also on the OrlandoSentinel Blog. Oh by the way, Casey just got 1st degree murder.

3:41 p.m. Randy Means, a spokesman for the State Attorney’s Office, recently issued this statement in response to allegations his office is using Casey Anthony’s case for State Attorney Lawson Lamar’s political benefit.

Means wrote in an email to the Orlando Sentinel that there “is an old axiom in law enforcement that goes ‘When defense attorneys can’t successfully attack the evidence they then attack the evidence collector. If this fails you then attack the prosecutor…..This is not the first time we have seen such a ploy as this. “All investigations, to include homicide investigations, have a chronological process and this case is no different. In late September, the Orange County Sheriff’s Office, FBI and this office received a letter of confirmation from the University of Tennessee. They had concluded their examination of the forensic material sent to them by law enforcement contained relevant information to the disappearance of Caylee Anthony. “While I am not at liberty to discuss the specific nature of the material, I will tell you that this correspondence is dated very late September. This was the piece of the puzzle, as prosecutors, we were waiting for before we could appropriately convene the Grand Jury. “Normally making arrangements for the Grand Jurors will take a week or two, which leads us to today. Sufficient admissible evidence has been collected and evaluated and it is now the state’s duty to seek justice. “As much as I would like to respond to these apparent smoke and mirror allegations, I am prohibited from doing so, as is the Defense, as described in the Cannons of Ethics. I believe the defense attorney’s wild allegations serve no legitimate purpose other than to obfuscate the search for the truth. We will continue to prosecute this case in the courts and not in the media.

Comment by Keri — October 14, 2008 @ 5:15 pm

Could it be a “planted” dress? size….uhm..6 maybe??? Speaking of the dress….Leaked by David Lohr!!! This case gets more and more obsurd by the day!!

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 5:16 pm

I am very curious to know what that missing puzzle piece is. It must be significant because I just found this info:

Seven Counts Handed Down in Caylee Anthony Case

We are now getting reports that a total of seven counts have been handed down in the case of Casey Anthony and her missing 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony. Three of the counts are allegedly for first degree murder, aggrivated child abuse and manslaughter.

Stay with Investigation Discovery for more information on this developing case!

Comment by TJ — October 14, 2008 @ 5:19 pm

They just added this tidbit:

According to Wesh.com, the other four counts involve Anthony’s alleged lies to investigators.

Comment by TJ — October 14, 2008 @ 5:21 pm

OMG!!! If this is true..(1st Degree murder) Casey has already walked!! Why in the hell would prosecuters try for that?? They could get the same punishments for child neglect/abuse death resulting, or even Felony murder!!! Now they also have to prove she planned the whole thing out. THIS IS INCREDIBLY IRRESPONSIBLE OF LE!!!

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 5:22 pm

I retract my previous post #397
I did not realize the multiple charges…the one I believe they will push is Aggravated Abuse….death resulting.

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 5:28 pm

David Lohr didnt “leak” that information. Last night Tim Miller reported the same thing, however, it
was not Texas Equusearch that found the dress,
it was an independent search group. The dress was
found intact - as it has rained recently in Orlando,
its believe possibly that the dress was planted.
The independent search group has not been named.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 5:30 pm

Here are the charges against Casey:
The indictment unsealed late Tuesday listed seven charges including First Degree Murder, Aggravated Child Abuse and Manslaughter of a Child. The other four charges have to do with Anthony ‘knowingly and willingly’ misleading investigators end

the above is from fox 35 http://www.myfoxorlando.com

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 5:32 pm

To Jeff - you just wrote “casey has already walked”.
Ah, again, I dont think so. We who always believed
in her guilt feel very vindicated that the LE,
the grand jury and the State of Florida all
believe that Casey Anthony killed her child and have
charged her accordingly. I dont think they will
have a difficult time proving it. FBI testimony
was probably very key in helping to bring forth
these more serious charges.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 5:35 pm

Elaine, On nancy grace last night, she asked tim if it was one of his searchers and he said “yes”. God this is sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by Keri — October 14, 2008 @ 5:37 pm

On the First Degree charge they had some atty mumbo jumbos saying it is smart to ask for this and they can always work there way down? I still think there is some serious stuff they havent made public. Just my gut instint she will be convicted. Just a feeling.

Comment by Keri — October 14, 2008 @ 5:41 pm

you are not going to believe this! from
http://www.wftv.com
A first-degree murder charge means the grand jury believed the act to be premeditated. The punishment for such a charge is the death penalty or life in prison and no chance for parole.

Sources close to the Anthony family told Eyewitness News that Casey may choose to represent herself on the first-degree murder charge. Doing so would allow her to use taxpayer money to help pay for portions of the investigation. Attorney Jose Baez could remain available to her as a consultant.

The indictment paved the way for sheriff’s deputies to arrest Casey and send her back to jail. She had been out on house arrest on child neglect charges and check fraud charges. The check fraud charges are in an unrelated case end

I cannot believe what Im reading - CAsey Anthony
might defend herself? now that is a narcissist

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 5:42 pm

Elaine,
Read post 398 and while you are at it…follow this link where David Lohr admits he leaked it!!!
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/10/caylee-anthony.html

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 5:42 pm

To Keri - someone who worked with Tim Miller
leaked the info to the media about finding the dress,
that part is true, however, it was not TexasEquusearch
that found the dress itself

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 5:44 pm

Elaine,
I think getting all high and mighty is a little premature. This is a grand jury indictment. NO DEFENSE ALLOWED!!! This circus is just getting started and I for one can’t wait to hear about the corruption/ illeagal proceedings and all the other wonderful media frenzy court case crap that comes out of this. Guarenteed to be a complete clown show!

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 5:47 pm

More detailed info on the indictments:
/ The first count is for first-degree murder, a capital offense that is punishable by the death penalty. (State Attorney Lawson Lamar, however, did not say specifically he would seek execution, if Casey Anthony is convicted. He took no questions.)

This charge alleges that Casey Anthony caused the death of Caylee “from a premeditated design” between June 15 and July 16. Those dates correspond to the last time Caylee was seen and when she was reported missing. The indictment offers no other information on how, why or when.

/ Count two is aggravated child abuse. This alleges that between the same dates Casey Anthony “did knowingly or willfully…causes great bodily harm, permanent disfigurement or permanent disability to Caylee Marie Anthony…by intentionally inflicting physical injury…or by intentionally committing an act or actively encouraging another person to commit an act which could reasonably expected to result in physical injury.”

Count three is aggravated manslaughter of a child. This count alleges that Casey Anthony caused Caylee’s death by failing to provide “the care, supervision and services necessary to maintain Caylee Marie Anthony’s physical and mental health” or that she did not make “a reasonable effort” to protect Caylee from someone else abuses, neglecting or exploiting her.

Counts four through seven are all “providing false information to a law enforcement officer.” Each count lists a time when Casey Anthony is alleged to have lied to investigators about Caylee. Count four says she lied to Orange County Sheriff’s Office Detective Yuri Melich when she said she worked at Universal Studios in 2008. Count five alleges she lied to Melich when she said she left Caylee with a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez. Count six alleges she lied to Melich when she said she told two former Universal Studios employees that Caylee was missing. And count seven alleges Anthony lied to Melich when she said she received phone call from Caylee on July 15.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 5:48 pm

David Lohr is the man who recieved the information about the dress and brought it to tims attention…this is how it became public!!

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 5:49 pm

Sorry, Jeff, its not being high and mighty to feel
some vindication that three major bodies of the State
of Florida have seen through all the lies and
subterfuge put out by the Anthonys to make the proper charges as listed above. I didnt put her back in jail. It was my belief that she should be tried
for murder and I said so. You are talking about
corruption and illegal proceedings - what specifically
again, are you talking about. Again, state your belief
and let us know who has been corrupted and who has
committed illegal proceedings? Or was that just
an exuberant declaration! Id like to know who
you think is corrupt? The state attorney general?
the police, the grand jury? Just who are you talking about?

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 5:52 pm

Come on now Elaine, In a high profile case like this. You have to suspect there will be all sorts of accusations and alligations!! It comes with the territory. I am not saying any of these will be factual, but I do feel it is comming.

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 5:57 pm

And if you think a Grand Jury is a Major body of any state, you’ve got alot to learn about law. We all knew she would be indicted. This is not a good thing without a body. Not trying to be a jerk, I just maintain my feelings that this indictment is premature. We all want justice in this case…God i’ve spewed this one a thousand times on this blog….anyways, you get the picture.

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 6:02 pm

you know Jeff, you seem to be willing to believe
that everyone is guilty of something EXCEPT Casey! Amazing.
Anyway, what I really found amazing was that wftv
reported Casey might handle her own defense. How
can that be when it was reported that the Florida
Bar might not have let Baez handle her defense
because of his inexperience. That really doesnt
make sense. Does everyone have the right to defend
themselves? I just cannot see Casey who is a high
school drop out defending herself. That must be
erroneous. The Anthonys dont have anymore money
is that it? They have already lost the 10 percent
bond money they put up - you never get that back
and now Casey will sit in jail. Possibly they
gave her such heavy charges so she will try to
cop a plea deal. That would make sense.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 6:02 pm

What I find interesting in Baez’s side show statement today he said once the facts come out, then we will understand. Maybe they will now use the accidental death thing and mommy will give up Caylee’s body. I dont know, she appears to be made of steel, but I do think she is also a bit of a coward. I think she may give us some serious stuff to avoid the death penalty if she is charged with that….. Any thoughts?

Comment by Keri — October 14, 2008 @ 6:03 pm

Jeff,

I believe the word you are looking for is allegations.

Comment by sharebear — October 14, 2008 @ 6:05 pm

Elaine, thanks for the clairification on the dress. The dress sounds a little suspect, but we shall find out!! Craziness on if Casey defend’s herself. I dont get people like this!! Of course if she is guilty, and did murder her beautiful daughter, she is not the smartest cookie in the box. Do people think they wont get caught?? Hello??? She also appears to be cocky so she would be stupid enough to go through with defending herself. Typical sociopath!!

Comment by Keri — October 14, 2008 @ 6:09 pm

Keri,

I think you are probably right about her talking to avoid the death penalty and yes,I believe she will use the accidental death theory.

Comment by sharebear — October 14, 2008 @ 6:09 pm

Elaine,
She is basically taking the stance of a public defender. Baez, to the best of my knowledge is not being paid so she is allowed the typical rights of a person defended by court appointments. Those rights include expert witnesses supeonaed by the state to defend the prosecuted. Baez has probably already provided experts with evidence for them to examine. If they felt he had a potential defense, they would tell him. Now he uses a (admittedly) scum bag approach to enslave their services. This helps his case because if Casey had to pay experts, during cross examination, prosecuters would ask them what they are being paid to testify. Suddenly they look like hired guns.

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 6:12 pm

Sharebear…sorry..no spellcheck here and I can’t spell worth of ****!

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 6:15 pm

It should be interesting. Those prisoners dont like child killers (IF SHE IS GUILTY) some of those girls may slap her around a bit. LOL

Comment by Keri — October 14, 2008 @ 6:16 pm

I’m hoping that there is enough evidence to keep that self-centered piece of trash in jail long enough to convince her to talk. Once she realizes that she could be on death row or in jail for life she’ll do whatever she needs to save her own skin. The way she always has. I hope that she spends every night of the rest of her life afraid of what the next day will bring. Sounds harsh? Too bad Casey.. you should have put Caylee and her needs and life ahead of your own..

Comment by Marie — October 14, 2008 @ 6:18 pm

Keri,
Due to the publicity of this case…and probably standard operating procedure for Florida penal codes, I asume Casey will not go into population until the trial is over.

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 6:19 pm

I cannot fathom Casey defending herself. The Anthonys
if they truly havent sold their story to any tabloid
or lifetime TV, are going to go broke over this,
and they have the lawsuit over the defamation of
character for Zenaida as well. I hope Cindy now
will keep her mouth shut as she really needs to stop with her accusations against others. Yes, I really
and truly believe, especially if money is an issue
with the Anthonys and maybe Baez is in over his head,
that unless a really high-profile lawyer takes her
case pro-bono, that she will cop a plea to a lessor charge. Its the smart way to go. She could plead
down to a lessor charge and admit to a possible accident and take a chance on getting 15 years - serving time would be about 7 years for that.
I do believe due to her age, that the State might,
if she pleaded guilty to accidental death,
do that. Saves the expense of a very
high-profile trial. She now wont be charged with child neglect but she will still face charges
for the theft. She is in a whole lot of
trouble.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 6:22 pm

AMEN MARIE.

I think you are right Jeff………..

I would love to disect her brain. What was she thinking??

Casey doesnt lack in looks, and if she would of spent half as much time being a decent member of society that she did being a manipulating liar, she might of gone somewhere in life. She was blessed with one of god’s greatest gifts (a child) and threw it all away. This case is sas on so many levels. I just pray to god Caylee never knew what happened to her if in fact her life was cut short by the hands of her mother.

Comment by Keri — October 14, 2008 @ 6:29 pm

Cant say for sure how this will turn out but I still feel they need a body to get anykind of manslaughter to stick. I am almost certain they cannot prove premed. I dont think she will represent herself. Unless Baez is banking on a mistrial due to the overwhelming advantage a pro prosecuter would have over her but I can’t imagine a judge allowing this to take place. It’s just not ethical to have a woman who is charged with lying to defend herself!! Lol!

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 6:29 pm

You know, when you think about it, and you see
all those videos of Casey cashing Amy’s check
at the bank, calmly shopping at Winn Dixie and
Target, that should give you a clue into Casey’s
psyche. After all, didnt she know when Amy came
back she could be arrested for theft? Or in her
mind, did she think she could talk Amy out of
having her arrested. This is really important I think.
Is this what Casey has always done? Talked her
way out of trouble? Same with the those damning
photos of her dancing, with that big smile on her
face, at clubs and at parties. Again, didnt it ever
OCCUR to her that she couldnt just dispose of
Caylee like an old dress and no one would come after her? What was she thinking? Or doesnt she care
because for every jam shes ever been in, she never
really had to pay for her transgressions?.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 6:37 pm

Oh yeah… one other thing.. what was with the tears today? I wanted to vomit.

Comment by Marie — October 14, 2008 @ 6:44 pm

POST 426 Prosecutions view:
Casey went on a spending spree using other peoples money because she knew she had nothing to lose. She knew she would be convicted of killing her child and felt stealing would mean nothing in the shadow of such an awful crime.

Post 426 Defense view:
Casey has always done this, steal, lie…ect.. Her friends have allowed it to take place because they are no different than Casey. (keep in mind the defense has dug up any and all dirt they could find on anyone who has provided a statement”.
This would be an attempt to discredit any testomony they could provide.

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 6:45 pm

Lol!! Gotta love them “Close Sources”!!!

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 7:00 pm

The videos really sealed it for me. Also the supposed forensic evidence. There is no way out of that one. But her calmly going around without a care in the world when she knows her kid is gone: priceless. I dont think Casey thought she would get a murder conviction. People like this dont think they will get caught!! If she actually took the time to think she would get away with it, she probably would not of done it. Sociopaths dont have the empathy to think like normal people would. Look at the Scott Peterson case. Smiling at his wife’s vigil when he knew damn well his wife and newborn son were floating in San Fran Bay. Remember his attempt at some crocodile tears with Dianne Sawyer? That is why these cases get world wide attention. Dont one can fanthom doing this to a loved one!!

Comment by Keri — October 14, 2008 @ 7:05 pm

good lord!! I am not spelling right 2 day!! LOL

Comment by Keri — October 14, 2008 @ 7:06 pm

No offense Deb: The actual FBI/investigators that have been working on this case from the beginning. Casey looking on sites for chlorform, that being in the air, hair bands, cadaver dogs, the smell. Hello??? I call that pretty good evidence, just trying to be respectful of you: the videos of her going around Target, banks when her kid is missing. Tears? She has no feeling. She is only scared for herself because she is in deep S right now. People like her dont have the empathy to cry like you or I.

Comment by Keri — October 14, 2008 @ 7:27 pm

The body might not be found. Should a peron not be held responsible in such a case when there is clearly evidence suggesting guilt?

It will not be a slam dunk, but it is certainly within the realm of possibility. Such cases have been won without the body in the past and there will be such cases won in the future.

Comment by sharebear — October 14, 2008 @ 8:03 pm

Preponderance of the evidence requires less structure than without a reasonable doubt. A conviction will require without a reasonable doubt.

I agree the media does become sensationalized a bit and they don’t always understand the information they receive, but overall, they do a good job of informing the public of what is going on in the world.

Comment by sharebear — October 14, 2008 @ 8:34 pm

My use of the word structure is bothering me, so to clarify, I mean more than likely to have occured than not (such as 51%), which is less than is required to meet the expectations of without a reasonable doubt.

The indictment was subject to Preponderance, the criminal prosecution will have to meet the criteria of w/o reasonable doubt.

Comment by sharebear — October 14, 2008 @ 9:07 pm

To Deb, still the apologist for Casey, I see. Your statement “what do parents do when their child is missing”? “eat and shop”? Oh Brother, I dont know
what PLANET you are from - but if your child goes
missing, and you cant find her, the first thing
you do is CONTACT THE AUTHORITIES. Which Miss Casey
didnt do and NEVER did. Her Mother Cindy called the cops. Eat and shop while your child is missing for one month and no one is looking for her, especially not you. That has got to be one of the most amazing sentences I have ever read in all the comments here.
Yes, my three year old is gone - just gone dont you know! but Im going to Fushion tonight and making
dinner for Tony tomorrow night, and lets see, I have
to cash some more of Amy’s checks - that I stole
so I can buy food and a hoodie, and some bras,
and blah blah blah. Casey supremely unconcerned.
As to this thing about Casey defending herself - ridiculous, not going to happen.
If Baez doesnt have 5 years experience, then they
will have to apppoint a public defender who is
qualified to handle a capital case, and Baez can
sit in the second chair. Drop-out Casey is not
going to defend herself - that would get overturned
in a second on appeal. Yes, the Anthonys arent responsible for her bills, she is an adult, however,
I think they are aware that Baez cannot be first
as attorney of record and maybe they might want to hire someone better. How are they paying Nejame?
Casey is going down, no doubt about it. I believe
she will take a plea to a lessor charge. If not,
they are going to pursue murder one - and she could
very well get the death penalty. Now when her
attorneys tell her “whats in it for her” she will
know that if she doesnt take a plea - whats
in it for her will be a needle in the arm.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 9:48 pm

Talk to me about Cindy helping Casey switch card under an underpass?

Cindy, Cindy, Cindy,

Comment by ms — October 14, 2008 @ 9:49 pm

Cars Not Card.

What is up with that?

Comment by ms — October 14, 2008 @ 9:50 pm

ms…what are you refering to?

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 10:24 pm

I dont know yet - I heard it but as everyone on the blog is really serious about not posting rumours,
I read several stories, that implied maybe she
was trying to run away, but nothing substantial.
Tomorrow maybe at http://www.orlandosentinel.com
or http://www.myfoxorlando.com there might be something
more on this story. Where in the world could she
go anyway - her face is really well-known.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 14, 2008 @ 10:24 pm

I sincerely doubt that Casey would try to run. I don’t think anyone truely ever felt she was a flight risk. If she switched cars, it was probably to avoid the press. I know that Cindy wanted to be with her on the way to jail so she could be the last person to hug Casey.

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 10:29 pm

I would like to take a moment to salute Officer Kevin Beary. This is where it should be at right now and I think his short, but dead on the money statement is a tribute to the integrity of his position. Bravo officer Beary. Go find her, whatever her existance has been reduced to.

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 11:20 pm

“Rumor” has it that she was heading towards the airport. Cindy stopped her vehicle under an overpass and another car was waiting to pick her up?????

Great excuse BTW Jeff with the media thing.

I wish the detectives on the trail would have staked the switch to see if se was attempting a flee!

Comment by ms — October 14, 2008 @ 11:25 pm

One can only hope that he, and LE will maintain this integrity

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 11:25 pm

ms….please dont spout rumors here. We are doing all we can to maintain as much integrity as possible with our debates by sticking to the facts of the case.

Comment by Jeff — October 14, 2008 @ 11:28 pm

New blog in the glosslip is talking bout it too. Sounds fishy on Cindy’s part to me. It is impossible for Casey to avoid the media and Cindy obviously planned this drop off for some other reason?

Heading towards the airport? Fishy…

Comment by ms — October 14, 2008 @ 11:44 pm

Deb,this was not Caseys “hour of shame”.Her hour of shame happened almost three months ago when she “lost” her daughter.

Comment by Lou — October 14, 2008 @ 11:59 pm

It’been a while since I have checked in-To post # 369- Sorry Jeff , but that woman is NO saint! Cindy’s an enabler !This is why Casey has turned out the way she has because of Cindy enabling and covering up for Casey for the 22 years that she’s been alive! You love your child , but you shouldn’t back up or cover up bad behavior !That’s what Cindy Anthony has done and continues to do. It’s never Casey’s fault it’s alway’s someone eles’s like Time Miller, Jesse Grund,or the LE”s.Did you happen to watch when LE was interviewing Cindy (back in Aug) and at one point she was trying to point the finger at Jesse Grund ! Seem’s to me that she already knows the truth and is trying to point the finger at anyone eles besides her own daughter! Why is she pointing the finger and trying to get the heat off of her daughter if she really believes Caylee is alive???

Comment by Anniray — October 15, 2008 @ 9:32 am

I believe there is now a more current page
of glosslip (10/14/08) with posts starting up
again on that page and that is where we should probably all move over to for new posts.

Comment by Elaine 16 — October 15, 2008 @ 10:48 am

Yesterday after Casey went to court, Anthony’s mother, Cindy Anthony, reportedly pulled her vehicle over at Narcoossee Road and State Road 417, and Casey got out. Casey Anthony then got into a full-size grey SUV, which drove off.
I FEEL SHE WAS MAKING A” LAST DITCH EFFORT ” TO ONE OF HER “POINTS OF INTEREST” TO SEE IF CAYLEE WAS STILL WHERE SHE LEFT HER.
I have compassion for Mr Anthony and his selflessness in testifying against Cassie. My heart and prayers go out to Caylee!

Comment by Angel — October 15, 2008 @ 1:23 pm

Hi Everyone: The videos were not the only thing that sealed it for me, the not reporting her daughter missing, the lying, you name it. Sometimes I dont have a lot of confidence in our justice system. I just pray to god that the State has enough evidence to prosicute her. I am a big supporter of the death penalty, but I would settle for Casey getting less time if she gives up where her daughter is. I just want them to find her so bad. The thought of that litte body being out there in the elements kills me. I do have faith in the forensic evidence but again we dont know everything, and alot of stuff could not be even made public. Defense will challenge everything, they are suppose too. I think we all know she is guilty it’s just proving it. I am a mother and I would of used yesterday’s opportunity at the press conference if I was casey to scream out to whoever is listening “where is my daughter”. She has never once spoke about getting her daughter back. I dont care if the World thought I was a murderer, I would be out there searching, attending vigils and saying to the world help my daughter. Even murderer Susan Smith spoke to the public then admitted she killed her boys. This Casey is something else. I would be freaking out if I was charged with murder. She just walks around calmly. I think she honestly thinks she is going to get away with this.

Comment by Keri — October 15, 2008 @ 3:23 pm

this is my opinion on this case so far
just think for a minute,why would it be so out of charcter for casey to NOT be crying all the time? you must remember, she is the one who never wanted to keep her child but her mother talked her into it, so she did, and i suppose that is why cindy and george have helped her out as much as they have, they have paid for alot or most of the expenses, and not making her responsible enough, she was getting ready to move out of the house, she was irresponsible and most likely left caylee with someone else and they left the state or went else where, and maybe they have had caylee in hiding all this time, just a theory.
the grandmother cindy seems to think that caylee is still alive, i think there is alot more to this story than what has been told, i think it will all come out in court when the defense can tell their side and casey will probably speak more then too.
of course casey liked to party, she is a single mom that never wanted a baby to begin with, she left caylee with someone that she trusted and they left with her, have the police dept ckd other states for a zanieda gonzales? like new york or pourta rico?
or have they only ckd the state of florida?
does it make casey a socio path because she stole or told lies? no, it doesnt, i think we have only heard from one side of this story and not from the defense side, there must be more to this.
innocent, until proven guilty
i pray for this whole family,that they will endure until the full story unfolds.
maybe they could call us sociopaths too, cause we show no empathy towards a family that is going through torment, it shows on cindy and george’s faces, weight loss is a sign of great stress, cindy has lost 25 pds, i feel for this family and i pray that you will show some love and empathy for them too, that is the least that we can do, i would never want to go through what they have experienced, like george said, he loves his wife, daughter, son and grandaughter, we need to pray that God will let the real truth be known and i am sure it will in the end.
thanks and God bless!

Comment by raligna — October 16, 2008 @ 12:56 am

wow jeff you are just full of yourself

Comment by bell — October 19, 2008 @ 7:56 pm

I have been following this case and have began to wonder if we will ever know what really happened to Caylee? So many possibilities! It seems the only one who knows could be Casey Anthony and it seems she will never tell. This case really touches the heart. So much is all about Casey where she is concerned. She only wanted to look for the child when she was either locked up or on house arrest….seemed only a means to get out and about. Never heard her reference her “daughter” just Caylee. Is she trying to forget she has a child and is a mother? Just seems not to care about the child in any respects. Is this another case like Trenton Duckett? Will there ever be an anwser?

Comment by Sandy — October 24, 2008 @ 12:08 am

Why doesn’t Casey A. tell the truth I say if she was looking for her daughter then she knows where the child is dead or alive, Casey to you I pray if you killed your daughter you will get the death penalty and your parents will go to jail for all they have covered. Remeber seeing Cindy go to the car to get casey’s grey pants and sneakers to wash? Sneaking away from the cops. You people are not right in the head and I hope that if Caylee is dead that our good lord will send her back to us as a rebirth with a wonderful family- you people are awful and a bunch of liars yes you Cindy and George unbelievable. You guys are short a few bricks in the head. The world is watching you and so is the Lord-he will make it happen the way Caylee was meant to live with good and honest people. Who in their right mind would take this long to find their child-Oh forgot pot heads would do this and steal money from a good friend and lie constantly in jail to the officers. Casey your head is screwed with pot and whatever drug you prefer you will be senile before your time and you did it girlfriend

Comment by JoAnn Bernthal — October 24, 2008 @ 11:39 am

i hate to break it to you guys but just this morning it said that caylee is dead, that her mother knocked her out with chloroform and left her in the trunk of her car to die in the HOT summer. she left her there and went out with her boyfriend. It also said she hid the three-year old’s body for 11 days. im not lying thats what i read.

Comment by Caitlyn Smith — October 25, 2008 @ 11:02 pm

I agree that the grandparents of Caylee know more than they are telling. Maybe not what happen, how or when it all transpired, but I think they have information they are not revealing…..I think Cindy intentionally washed the gray slacks because she thought there was the possibility they contained evidence that may connect Casey to the child’s disappearance and what happened to her, etc. I also think Lee has knowledge about the case, maybe even including the possibility that he was connected or involved. He refuses to give information, take a polygraph and appears to know specifics about too many things that are relative. She apparently was Casey and Lee’s namesake. I don’t understand his position not to wnt to help more to discover what happened. I think not only is he protecting Casey but also himself. I also felt Jose Baez has invaded Casey’s space since the beginning. He is an attorney and has a high ethical and moral duty to act appropiately and in a professional manner. I do not think he has been serious about this from the very beginning. I agree that Casey is all about her needs and what she wants. I think Casey got Caylee out of the way so she could have fun and be with her boyfriend, especially when her boyfriend did not want her to bring Caylee over. I think he should feel remorseful. After all he knew she had a child and the responsability. I hope Casey is held accountable for what happen. No matter what happen she did not see to it that the child was taken

Comment by Sandy — November 1, 2008 @ 10:30 pm

I hope that Casey gets the death penalty. No matter what happen to Caylee she is responsible for whatever the child went through or the small chance of what she is still going through. I do believe in my heart that the child did die at the hands of her mother and probably even intentionally. I hope that someday we will find out. I hope that Cindy also carries the weight of not helping to find her grandaughter whatever happened. Perhaps the whole family should be brought up on charges of obstructing justice and interference with informataion that could lead to the recovery of the child, probably deceased.

Comment by Sandy — November 1, 2008 @ 11:13 pm

In agreement on the death penalty. I hope they find her this weekend.

Comment by Keri — November 4, 2008 @ 3:49 pm

I have followed this case almost from the beginning. Like a lot of us here I am a Mother and cannot imagine someones actions such as Casey Anthony. Your beautiful baby daughter goes missing and you are out in the clubs. OUTRAGIOUS! I guess there has to be someone somewhere such as Jeff to throw opposing believes but plain and simple the facts are to overwhelming against this poor girl. This is a tragety for everyone involved little Caylee, the family, and even Casey. I’m sure if she could turn back the hands of time before the middle of July none of us would be writing. One thing I find amazing is that Casey had a “nanny” with what did she pay her with? Cindy Anthony was a dotting Grandmother and she had never met the person that her daughter had babysitting her Grandaughter? I find that amazing since they, Caylee and Casey for the most part lived under Cindy and Georges roof. I think that if George and Cindy would look at the cold hard facts and would stop stating that Caylee is alive in every interview maybe their daughter may come clean probably not but possibly Casey feels as long as my parents believe that Caylee is alive I have no choice but to roll with it becuase they are all she has at this point.

Comment by Angie — November 6, 2008 @ 4:18 pm

I will be praying that they will find little Caylee. Remember Casey the truth will set you free. The whole thing isn’t going away just because you want it to.

Comment by Linda — November 8, 2008 @ 2:30 am

My prayers are with the family and little Caylee this weekend as the searchers try to find her. I hope for the best and that she is found alive, but am prepared for searchers finding the body. I do believe she is dead. The only positive in finding the body is that finally there will be closure. However not very likely I still do hope we all can be pleasantly surprized and she is found alive with someone.

Comment by Sandy — November 10, 2008 @ 3:31 am

did you guys not read my comment? they aren’t gonna find her because caylee died. she is dead. not alive. as in they aren’t gonna find her herself and they aren’t gonna find her this weekend!! gosh they aren’t gonna find her so stop talking like caylee is still alive! SHE’S NOT! don’t you guys ever read the headlines on the newspapers?!?!?!

Comment by Caitlyn Smith — November 10, 2008 @ 9:57 pm

470: Are you a retard? Finding her body this weekend. Not a live person. No one thinks she is alive. There was a search this weekend for her body. I hate ignorant people. You should watch the headlines. There was a search for over 2,000 people trying to find her body!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by Keri — November 11, 2008 @ 1:15 pm

Keri I’m with you how retarded is right Hello!! We all know she is no longer with us they are serching for a body. If they were searching the swamps and around where they think she might be do you think she is just going to be sitting there having a tea party??? BODY Caitlyn BODY

Comment by Angie — November 12, 2008 @ 1:40 pm

Angie: LOL!! Sorry I am not usually that rude, but good lord!!!

Comment by Keri — November 12, 2008 @ 1:59 pm

I honestly beleive that Cindy & George knows that Caylee is not alive. Sure it is only natural to want to beleive that she is out there but lets face it they have raised a self-centered, evil person who had no regard for human life. The evidence is just too overwhelming against her and for her to play her little games and not giving up what she knows is making people more and more against her. If it was an accident whatever it might have been just come clean and bring your baby home to be burried. Doesn’t she deserve that?

Comment by Angie — November 12, 2008 @ 5:56 pm

My rage for this woman grows stronger by the day. Of course it looks like a circus out there sometimes especially with the drama at the lake yesterday, but reports say Casey was watching coverage of the lake search with no emotion and returned back to her jail cell. She has no feeling, dead inside, and actually probably hates or is jealous of her daughter. I pray to god everyday they find that sweet girl. Casey doesnt appear to be that smart, I would love to know where she put that body. She thinks she is so smart. She needs to be put away forever!!!

Comment by Keri — November 14, 2008 @ 3:27 pm

Casey’s latest comment that “they haven’t even found the clothes Caylee was wearing” This woman as far as I’m concerned don’t even need a trial lock the wench up and throw away the key! What was this 22 year old punk thinking when she thought she had the right to take her daughters life. This woman has obviously never had to take responsibility for her actions from the time she was little. I am getting to the point that I’m not feeling bad for George and Cindy any longer. Cindy is a nurse and George an ex-homiside detective these are fields that should know better than anyone the probilities that their Granddaughter was murdered by their daughter in Cindy’s own words “It is what it is” face it and make your daughter tell where that little girls body is so they can give her a proper funeral. If there even is a body by this time. If she threw her in gator infested waters good luck Leonard Pedia or Equasearch. What is this BS about the Anthony’s holding a press conference later in the week??? WHAT?? What is wrong with these peopl they claim they want their Granddaughter back well come off it if they have any information wouldn’t a person think they would hold the press conference the second of??? I feel sorry that this beautiful little girl was ever born into a family like this. If Casey didn’t want to have a baby tell me that abortion would not have been a better choice for Casey instead who know what that little girl indured before she died. I am not saying I am or against abortion. What I am saying is that there are cases that when babies are not going to be taken care of or murdered because their Mothers are selfish no good humans that are selfish and would rather not be bothered taking care of the life they brought into this world.

Comment by Angie — November 19, 2008 @ 10:54 am

i just read in national enquiorer that they found caylees temporary grave out in the woods close to their home and i think they said one of caylees pieces of jewelry was buried with her. She was moved to a different spot and they are trying to find that certian spot and are hoping to find caylee. HELLO!!! She is dead. For those of you who think she is still alive, you are retards. I have posted three comments and you people still wont listen!!!

Comment by Caitlyn Smith — November 29, 2008 @ 11:03 pm

God bless our little Caylee. It appears she has been found today.

Comment by Keri — December 11, 2008 @ 4:17 pm

God BLess Caylee… Hopefully the truth comes out so she can rest in peace.

Comment by laura — December 14, 2008 @ 5:26 pm

So sorry for that little angel, so many good and kind women would of love to adopt that sweet little sunshine, but only God knows why her mother wanted to get rid of her! From day one I knew that Casey drowned her Caylee on purpose, probably wrapped her body in something and throw it away like garbage,how sad, no feelings, no heart, maybe she is a devil in disguise.

Comment by Robin — December 15, 2008 @ 4:13 pm

To Caitlyn. THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT A BODY NOT A LIVING BREATHING CAYLEE. THINK ABOUT IT!!

Comment by Angie — December 15, 2008 @ 6:22 pm

I just pray this circus ceases. I have a feeling psycho’s defense is going to be Zani killed her and then they will probably find Casey’s fingerprints on the duct tape and then the excuse will be Zani put Casey up to it. Everyone that keeps saying this is an accident is full of it. Neck breaking on the web doesnt mean putting her to sleep temporarily but putting her to sleep forever. If they only found chlorform on the computer that accident thing of putting her to sleep could maybe work. I hope the state puts the death sentence back on the table. And if not I hope she spends every living day behind bars with the thought of her daughter’s pleading eyes as she takes her life from her. I hope she goes crazy and suffers to the tenth degree. She is someone that should be tortured the way her daughter was. If there is still someone out there that thinks this b is innocent just watch the video of little Caylee singing “you are my sunshine”. Just because she is a young woman should not preclude her from getting put on death row. If a man did this he would. I know in my heart too if Casey doesnt get it in this life she will get it in the next and I hope she rots in hell forever. She robbed her daughter of her life and has put her own family and public through hell. KARMA IS A B CASEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by Keri — December 16, 2008 @ 2:57 pm

I think you cowardly witch hunters would learn that a person is innocent till proven guilty.

Comment by dennis — February 8, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

431 get a clue dumb ass the witch should be burned to death and we should be able to watch it dont be so nieve dennis no one can be as stupid as U

Comment by unclebubba — March 4, 2009 @ 4:05 pm