Casey Anthony Indicted On Murder Charges For Missing Daughter Caylee
According to CNN, which stated in an earlier report that Casey Anthony, mother of missing toddler Caylee Anthony, would surrender to police if indicted by a grand jury today. It seems as though that indictment has come to pass. Here are more details from CNN:
Casey Anthony was taken to jail after officers observed her switch cars on a highway and pulled her over, an Orange County Sheriff’s Department spokesman said.Earlier Tuesday, Anthony’s lawyer said his client would turn herself in if the grand jury returned an indictment against her.
“She’s not running from this,” attorney Jose Baez said as his 22-year-old client wiped tears from her eyes during an impromptu media briefing before the charges against her were announced. “She’s doing her best to stand strong, to stand up to the powers that are working against her. And they threw the kitchen sink at her a long time ago.”
After the indictment, undercover officers followed Anthony as she traveled in her mother’s SUV. The officers saw the SUV stop under a highway overpass, at which point Anthony got into another vehicle and drove off. Officers made the traffic stop after she entered the second vehicle, the spokesman said.
Prosecutors are asking Anthony be held without bond.
Anthony is charged with first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child and four counts of providing false information to police.
Lawson Lamar, the state attorney for Orange County, Florida, said the first count is a capital charge — which could carry a penalty of life in prison or death.
The 19 grand jurors — 10 women and nine men — deliberated for about half an hour after hearing from police, a cadaver dog handler, an FBI agent and the missing child’s grandfather.
The article also pointed out, that despite efforts to recover the missing child, 3-year old Caylee whereabouts remain unknown. As the article stated, George Anthony, father to Casey and Caylee’s grandfather, testified before the grand jury. Mr. Anthony made a statement before stepping before the court:
“This is going to be very hard for me to do. The focus has always been on my granddaughter and always will be. I love my daughter, I love my wife, I love my son,” Anthony said.
He asked for the public to keep his family, especially Caylee, in their prayers. “If someone could take a moment out at 11 o’clock this morning and 11 o’clock tonight and just pray for her. That’s all I’m asking for. That’s all I can say.”
Prayers are something we can all afford to give for little Caylee.
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“Casey is going through a nightmare,” Jose Baez said. “I sincerely believe that when we have finally spoken, everyone, and I mean everyone, will sit back and say, ‘Now, I understand. That explains it.’”
Jose Baez
Why not explain it now? Earlier when you weren’t being charged with murder? I am so sick of hearing this verse.
Comment by ms — October 14, 2008 @ 11:19 pm
Cindy Attempting to Obstruct Justice?
If the police were “on her”, which obviously they were. why did they not let that attempted caper unfold?
Comment by ms — October 14, 2008 @ 11:20 pm
Cindy Anthony has no integrity.
Nejame can’t even shut her up. She is now pointing fingers at the politicians. First Zenida, then Jesse Grund, the Police for an apology, then the tow yard man, a pizza, the media, then Tim Miller, and now it’s politics.
She wants to talk about everything except Casey & Caylee! Can you say “Like Mother like Daughter?”
Comment by ms — October 14, 2008 @ 11:50 pm
Does this little switcharoo give investigators the chance to question Cindy? She knows things that can help find Caylee, I feel it. She won’t say but she likes the camera as much as her daughter.
That is proly what she wants. The camera has been off her for too long and yesterday gave her a chance to show off her weight-loss to the world!
Help Find Caylee… Anthony’s!
Comment by ms — October 14, 2008 @ 11:54 pm
Interesting, it was reported that the car that
Casey got into under the underpass was a grey
SUV owned by one of the bondsman. Someone
said that they thought that Cindy wanted to
take Casey all the way into the jail to be the last
to say goodbye to her, so I guess that is out
for a theory of why they switched cars. The car
was headed for the airport, that was reported as well,
but nothing confirmed yet. Maybe there will be more
on this tomorrow. Im not astounded at anything
Cindy and Casey could hatch up. These two have
nothing on the Mafia, which Im sure would be
glad to have them. When Cindy started talking
about the marines, I knew it was time to stop listening. The only thing I can pray for now
is that Casey will take a plea deal to a lessor
charge and tell where Caylee is buried so they
can give that little girl a real resting place
and a service for the dead. I will hold out
hope that somehow that will come to pass.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 15, 2008 @ 12:14 am
The only thing I can pray for now
is that Casey will take a plea deal to a lessor
charge and tell where Caylee is buried so they
can give that little girl a real resting place
and a service for the dead. I will hold out
hope that somehow that will come to pass.
Me2 Elaine 16
Comment by ms — October 15, 2008 @ 12:30 am
Can this family do anything that you all don’t find something sinister about??
YES!!! Kudos and a whole lot more for George Anthony giving an honest testimony about what transpired with the trunk if indeed that was done. I applaud him for that. That is an act of courage and love.
I hope one day that family can come to terms with what has happened.
He doesn’t have to stop loving Casey no matter what happens or happened but covering up is not going to make this family heal. I hope Cindy learns this soon. George has certainly been a stellar example of being a great Dad and husband today. We should all admire him for that.
Comment by Karen — October 15, 2008 @ 1:03 am
I really do feel sorry for George because there has been two women under his roof that are just alike. Cindy knows what happen and so does Lee, and why wasn’t Cindy arrested for Attempting to Obstruct Justice when she let Casey out of the vehicle. How stupid can anyone be? I guess they thought that the law enforcement officials were stupid, are you kidding, of course there was going to be undercover law officials following them to make sure she was to do what she was suppose to do.
Comment by Dee — October 15, 2008 @ 7:34 am
Casey is pretty hot!
Comment by Ken — October 15, 2008 @ 8:56 am
I have thought that Lee was somehow involved for a very long time now. At least he is privy to the truth.
I think Cindy knows, but is having trouble accepting the truth and has a sick need to protect Casey no matter what. Casey is gone and she knows she cannot bring her back.
George, I agree, did a very honorable thing and in a manner that was truly commendable. I am sure that was very hard for him.
Casey is and has always been all about Casey. She will likely talk to protect herself, but only to protect herself from the death penalty.
This will be a long eventful trial.
Comment by sharebear — October 15, 2008 @ 9:52 am
Of course she’s crying now…her own precious life is being thrown away. She didn’t care to cry when she took her daughter’s life.
Comment by Heather — October 15, 2008 @ 9:54 am
Jose is probably crying too, now that is “girlfriend” is being held without bond. There is a very odd client/attorney dynamic going on there.
I don’t know how much truth there is to her potentially representing herself. I am sure the Judge will not allow that and will appoint the Public Defender.
Jose is relishing in the drama/limelight with this case as much as Cindy.
I can’t wait for the verict.
Comment by sharebear — October 15, 2008 @ 10:15 am
Cindy on the Today Show.
She is a crazy woman!!!!!!!!!!!
She is part of the problem!!!!!!!!!!!
Her “pro-bono” lawyer can’t even shut her up!
DROP HER NEJAME! SHE IS MAKING YOU LOOK THE FOOL!
THIS FAMILY HAS CUT THE HAND OF EVERY KIND GESTURE!
Comment by ms — October 15, 2008 @ 10:18 am
Everyone has commended George Anthony for doing the
right thing. The man was a police officer at one time.
I think what your character is shows and even though
he hasnt been in the police force for a long time,
his instincts and his character are such they he
cannot, even for his daughter, present the facts
and that is what he did. Cindy is a completely other matter. She was on TV again today in some interview
always excusing, always accusing others. The
attorney Nejame says that the Anthonys are in shock,
I dont think its George so much as Cindy. George
knew that smell was decomp, and I believe that is
what he testified to. He wouldnt lie. Cindy is
nothing but lies and I guess that’s where Casey
learned it. Well, the old “do as I say, not as
I do”, doesnt work on children. I dont think the
State will ask for the death penalty, but I think
that they will go as long as possible before they
have to declare it, to try to force Casey to plea
which is what I believe the State is after.
They should take her out of isolation in the jail
and put her in the general population. The other
thing is when they will try her on the theft charges because if found guilty of those she will be put into prison and then for sure she will be in the general population. She needs a very healthy dose of reality.
Casey only does something when there is something
in it for her. I would think possibly facing death
by injection might make her realize that this time
the stakes are very high, if she doesnt tell the truth. Baez’ statement that when the trial comes
that there will be an explanation and “everyone
will understand”. Can you imagine how DUMB he is?
If that was the case, why wouldnt you tell the police
so they would understand and not charge his client
with a capital murder? The man is an amateur and
really they need a better lawyer.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 15, 2008 @ 10:29 am
I just check out the story on Today with Cindy. Now she goes to say that Casey loved Caylee more than she loves Casey???? She is totally wacked!!!
There is no good explanation or we all would have heard it by now. I guess they are still working on it.
Comment by sharebear — October 15, 2008 @ 10:51 am
You have to wonder if Baez doesn’t go home after all the public grandstanding and cry in the bathroom about what a fool he looks like to the public for making such nonsensical comments about their being an explanation for all this.
And making accusations about this not being political by saying “I’m not making accusations.”
Who does he really think he’s kidding? If he had any insight into himself and the way people view him for is incredulous explanations he change his name and move to Alaska. Maybe people believe such stuff there. Well, maybe not the people, but well, you know who.
Comment by Karen — October 15, 2008 @ 10:58 am
Can this family do anything that you all don’t find something sinister about?? They are just doing their best in a horrible situation.
Comment by Deb — October 15, 2008 @ 12:48 am
They should start by being humble & sincere. Nejame “had the entire nation at hello” when he made his first step to repair the Anthony name (George & Cindy).
Too bad he couldn’t control his client Cindy.
Cindy will always look sinister when she continues to say & do spiteful things.
EVERYTHING THAT CINDY SAYS IS SPITEFUL!!!!!!!! THINK BOUT IT!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS WHY WE RESPOND TO HER IN A NEGATIVE WAY! EVERYTHING CINDY SAYS OR DOES IS SINISTER (NOT motherly or sincere).
This is why when we look at Cindy we say… “There is the monster that created the monster.”
CINDY BE LIKE GEORGE. SAY AND DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND YOU WILL ALWAYS STAND TALL! RIGHT NOW GEORGE IS !) FEET TALL & CINDY IS 10 inches tall in comparison!
Comment by ms — October 15, 2008 @ 11:07 am
I dont know who gets Headline News with Mike Galanos
but yesterday Todd Black who is the PR person
called into the show and Galanos really let him have it. Black called in to say that the reporting was
“biased” and that didnt anyone ever think that
Casey had a good reason why she couldnt tell where
Caylee was and that we should realize that Casey
couldnt tell where Caylee was because she was afraid
for her safety. If this is the defense they are going to use, that Casey couldnt tell anyone
where Caylee was because she is frightened for her
safety, the defense is in for it. This just isnt
going to wash. Cindy on the Today show says she
is so happy tips will be given to her, I guess
so they can spend more money they dont have hiring
private detectives, or going themselves to investigate
all these tips. Just how do you go about investigating a tip anyway. If someone says they
saw Caylee on a street in Oshkosh, are you going to fly to Oshkosh? And then what? Nejame is a good
attorney and he has a good reputation. He needs
to sit down with Cindy and tell her to keep quiet
and let this thing die down a little.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 15, 2008 @ 11:10 am
Both Jose and Cindy have said that there is something we don’t know and it will all make sense. What could that possibly be? I threw up a little in my mouth when I read Cindy’s comments from the Today show about how much Casey loves her daughter. Ugh, someone needs to gag that woman.
I also feel sorry for George. It seems he is coming to realize the reality of the situation and that has to be completely devastating.
I also wish they would put her into general population because those other women would take care of business and I am sure Casey would get a whole new attitude. Alas, it will never happen. She will be protected the rest of her miserable life. I really hope they do not give her the death penalty. It would be much better for her to get life with no chance of parole. Since she is only 22, that translates to a long time in prison. No texting, no myspace or facebook, no stripper poles, no anonymous sex, no booze, no Target or Winn Dixie, no more imaginary jobs, no more celebrity sunglasses, etc. That will be torture for her and she deserves no less.
I would love to be wrong in my venemous hatred of Caylee’s “mother”. I would like nothing more than that beautiful little girl to be found alive. I would love to be able to say “I was wrong about Casey”. But I am afraid the old cliche is true. If it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, if it sounds like a duck, odds are it’s a duck. And I would say at this point that Casey is totally ducked!
Comment by TJ — October 15, 2008 @ 11:20 am
“I know Caylee is alive,” Cindy Anthony told TODAY’s Meredith Vieira Wednesday from Orlando, Fla. “I know my daughter. There is nothing in this world that could make me believe that Casey did anything to Caylee.”
WELL THERE YOU HAVE IT! THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD IS YOUR DAUGHTER LOOKING YOU IN THE EYES AND TELLING YOU THE TRUTH. Too bad Casey is too sick (mentally) to do that.
‘Truth will be told’
“There’s a lot of people out there that have seen Caylee,” Cindy Anthony said. “We’re going to reach out to those people once we get their names and we’re going to go ahead and start tracking them down ourselves … I know in my heart that we are going to find Caylee before this trial takes place.”
OK CINDY? I GUESS THAT NONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE REPORTED SEEING CAYLEE HAVE…
A cell phone and immediately called 911. (Posse would be on it immediately)
Walked up to the child and respectfully detained the people with her for questioning.
Any true sighting would have a group of citizens circling the child with one distress call!
Cindy is on Medicine? Per NeJame what is it? This might explain her behavior as well.
Comment by ms — October 15, 2008 @ 11:32 am
“Casey is going through a nightmare,”. “I sincerely believe that when we have finally spoken, everyone, and I mean everyone, will sit back and say, ‘Now, I understand. That explains it.’”
Jose Baez
I throw up in MY mouth everytime I hear that!
I throw up on my floor everytime I hear spiteful remarks from Cindy Anthony!
Hey NeJame,
You are too good a man to help Cindy when she can’t be reached at this time. She is a FOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by ms — October 15, 2008 @ 11:35 am
Im sure Cindy is on anti-depressants. Maybe that
explains the odd statements. The dress she held
up that was a Mickey Mouse dress that belonged to
Caylee – well, I dont really think that anyone
bought the idea of an intact dress being found
after all the bad weather they had in Orlando as
being a credible lead. LE has to check out everything
but nothing else has been written about the dress
and it was NOT misleading to report it in the press.
If they had said it was Caylees dress, that would have
been misleading, but they only reported a dress
had been found in a size 6. This is the kind of thing
Cindy puts out there – she is the one who is a master
of misleading the public. Thats why there is so much
dislike for her I think. She just gets in your face
and says these things that we are supposed to believe
that are not credible. To me, she would have had
more credibility and sympathy if she had just
said that she stands by her daughter and has only
seen Caylee and Casey interact with love and end
the sentence right there. Its these outlandish statements that she throws at us, like we are all
so STUPID to believe anything else that gets everyone
so upset.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 15, 2008 @ 11:39 am
At her prior release from jail Baez stated that Casey told him that she was innocent and wanted to walk out proud.
Since then (especially yesterday) Casey has had plenty of opportunities to do just that! Conduct a presser with a statement. No comments or questions just a simple message that Baez has been spinning…
Casey;
“First, I would like to apologize for all the confusion and understand everyones frustration over the matter I am involved in. There is an explanation for this behavior that will bring understanding to this ordeal. At this time I have been advised to not talk about those details but would like to tell you all that I did not harm my daughter.
We need to find my baby first and formost and I would like for everyone to continue to pray that we can. I will begin to discuss the truths over the matter with Law Enforcement with the aid of my attorney in hopes of finding Caylee.
Thanks for your prayers & understanding”… Casey Anthony?
She can’t say anything like that Baez? Why? Cause if it were true she would. Baez is an assasin hiding behind the US Constitution to discredit due process and the truth.
This circus will now begin to turn tables to create doubt?
FIND CAYLEE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!
Comment by ms — October 15, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
Although his grand-jury testimony was secret, the former deputy sheriff told investigators previously that his daughter kept him from looking in the car trunk in late June — when he was starting to wonder why he hadn’t seen Caylee recently.
This is a great fact! I wish George was behind her a second earlier. I wish he would have went back for the block he wanted (Not the Gas Cans). Then maybe Caylee wouldn’t be in a swamp or potential gator bait.
Are there gators in these areas? Do LE investigators feel that there is a high probability that she was eaten by scavengers or gators? Gory question I know but that has not come up.
Comment by ms — October 15, 2008 @ 3:44 pm
They are probably waiting to see if the body is found. Then they will proceed with more lies to try to cover her involvement by manufacturing a story to surround the undisputable facts that will be apparent.
Baez probably has no idea what she has done with the child. So he is creating a situation which will allow a made up story to unfold upon the discovery of the body, and the circumstances which are involved.
Casey, I presume, is fairly confident the body will not be found.
Hopefully, they will find the body and are able to identify a cause of death. In this case, she will have no prayer of wiggling out of her predicament.
Comment by sharebear — October 15, 2008 @ 3:49 pm
From my understanding from the Orlando/Kissimmee area
there are day=trips by boat to the Everglades – there
are lake and swamp passages so I gather there
are gators. But where ever there is water there are a lot of critters around that could tear at the body.
There is a perception that Casey doesnt seem worried
about a body being found, maybe that is why, because
Caylee was dropped in the water. I dont think the
prosecution would have gone this far if they didnt
think they could convict without a body. Poor little
Caylee, I wish more than anything for her to come
home. This morning on the Today Show, Cindy said
that Caylee would be home before the trial started
for murder. I dont get these people. If they are that
confident of finding Caylee, why havent they been
out following up on this before now?
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 15, 2008 @ 4:03 pm
They know Caylee is gone and they will continue to deter, delay, and deceive. Particularly Cindy. She also said, Caylee would be home before her birthday, which was August 9.
And, I too believe they can convict this without the body. They have several strong indications that will hold up in Court.
The Defense has nothing.
Comment by sharebear — October 15, 2008 @ 4:18 pm
I found this article on http://www.wesh.com today
very interesting – so far they are saying Casey
is still cool as a cucumber – and not ready to talk!
After Casey Anthony’s arrest Tuesday, some investigators were optimistic the gravity of the charge might compel her to tell them some new information.
Investigators hoped a murder charge might get Anthony to crack, but Wednesday investigators said Anthony seemed to take it all in stride.
Within moments of Casey Anthony being arrested and brought to sheriff’s headquarters, investigators told WESH 2 she requested to have her lawyer present.
According to a source who spoke with her, Anthony did not offer any new information on her daughter Caylee’s whereabouts. Anthony had requested court approval to travel to places of interest in private with her attorney to prepare her case, but on Wednesday, those motions were ruled moot since she was charged with first-degree murder. (The judge has not ruled on another motion to preserve DNA evidence.)
From the sheriff’s standpoint, Tuesday did not help them achieve their prime goal.
“I want to remind everyone that we have not achieved our prime objective. We have not recovered little Caylee Anthony,” Sheriff Kevin Beary said.
One investigator who saw Casey in a hallway described her as cool as a cucumber.
Even making eye contact and showing a hint of a smile. Soon after, her attorney Jose Baez arrived and politely told investigators his client did not wish to speak with them, WESH 2 reporter Bob Kealing said.
After the grand jury’s indictment was handed up, an investigator said they were waiting for Judge Perry to issue an arrest order, which he did.
That meant intercepting Anthony after she’d gotten out of her mother’s car on state Road 417 and gotten in with her bail bondsman. He intended to take her back to jail.
Bottom line, that investigator said, they wanted to send a message about who was driving the investigation.
The notion of Anthony being allowed to turn herself in on premeditated murder charge was not an acceptable option.
In a fax, a spokesman for Baez called Anthony’s rearrest show-boating and a sham.
What’s next for Anthony could last several weeks.
Both sides are now gearing up for a trial. The state has 175 days to put Anthony on trial for murder.
If Caylee’s body is never recovered, long-time Orlando defense attorney and prosecutor William Shaeffer said it will be harder to convict or get a death sentence.
“You’re going to have a hard time convincing citizens she should give up her life even if they do believe she committed some level of homicide,” he said.
The state accuses Anthony of failing to provide adequate care for Caylee leading to her death, but the indictment does not give a specific theory of how the child died.
But obviously, one investigator said, evidence of chloroform in the car and Anthony’s suspected computer searches on the solvent will be key in prosecutor’s argument that this was premeditated murder.
Currently, Anthony is at the Orange County Jail in protective custody — meaning she can see other inmates but can’t talk to them.
She spends the better part of 23 hours of the day in her cell with no access to television.
She can request the use of a radio and it’s up to the staff if they want to let her use one.
Anthony has one hour a day to shower, make monitored outgoing phone calls, and spend time outside in the recreation yard depending on Weather and jail staff.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 15, 2008 @ 7:24 pm
Casey is in a 8 x 10 cell – three sides of which
are concrete, one side is plexiglass – no privacy
at all. She can see other inmates, but cannot speak to them. So she will spend 23 hours of each day like
this. The prosecution has 175 days before they
have to go to trial which is a little over 5 months.
Since she can get no bond, thats a long time for a party girl to be stuck in a cage. Maybe she will
finally crack.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 15, 2008 @ 7:27 pm
Casey reminds me of Diana Downs, she also murdered her child and wounded another for her SPARCE LITTLE LIFE, as a hooker, they should both be sent to the death chamber
and if her mother was trying to help her escape, she is an acomplis and should do 30 years, birds of a feather, and an apple doesnt fall far from the tree.
Comment by Marilyn Vanlandingha — October 15, 2008 @ 7:43 pm
The Media should leave this trash alone! Baez included.
My question to him would be why do you need to wait for trial to explain something related to the case that will make us all say… “Oh, my God! Now I understand! This makes so much sense!”
He will provide none of that. The only thing he has planned is to take a back seat to another more expierienced liar and watch and learn how he attempts to derail police evidence and hide a client with our Constitution!
Comment by ms — October 15, 2008 @ 8:22 pm
There apparently is some very interesting evidence
we dont know about regarding a garbage bag that
had body fluids on the outside of the bag which has
already been tested. This bag was tossed out of
the trunk of the car by someone at the car lot
where the car was towed and a sharp policeman
retrieved the discarded bag. It maybe they have a lot more forensic evidence than we have heard of
before now. She may not get the death penalty
but if she doesnt tell what happened and cop a plea
to a lessor offense, she could very well get life in prison without parole.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 15, 2008 @ 8:29 pm
all i can say is casey is the worst actress in the world at shedding a tear, there were no tears shed at that press conference. if she wiped her eye any harder she would have wiped away the skin from under her eye. i get enraged hearing bozo baez stating casey is the victim , im sorry i thought a 3 year old innocent little girl was the victim. everytime this windbag gets on tv and opens his yap i mute it so i dont have to listen to him. hes the total epitomy of one of those ambulance chasing attorneys and all those attorney jokes come to mind when i see that greased back hair attorney
Comment by JennyB — October 15, 2008 @ 9:27 pm
If Baez represents her, he’s going to fail miserably.
The trash bag transcripts are from smon birch. You can find them easly at myfoxorlando.com. It is an interesting read.
Comment by Lou — October 15, 2008 @ 9:30 pm
Deb, the investigators just wanted to let Baez and Casey know who was in charge. It’s understandable in my opinion.
Comment by Lou — October 15, 2008 @ 9:32 pm
Hey Folks, Me again! Looks like scince this new blog opened, the lynch mob has gathered new ground. Well, I have been saying that I would like to see a body before this thing goes to trial right from the begining. I still maintain that this trial has a strong chance of going south without one. I’ve been very busy lately and have not been able to post much however me and my fiance have decided to stop talking and not sit back and let this clown show take place. We will be heading down to Orlando shortly to assist in which ever way possible to help search for Caylee, alive or dead. We really are not in the best position right now to do this but I can’t sleep anymore thinking about this thing. I suggest that if there is anyone here, who has the means to do so, stop talking and help as well. If Caylee is dead, she will be found, if the search areas are exhausted and no Caylee is found, then it is time for the public to stand up and SCREAM to continue a search for a LIVE Caylee. Lets follow Sheriff Bearys example and make this happen. The trial and punishment of Casey is just not important right now. She is 22 and has a long life of punishment ahead of her if she is found guilty. She is in jail with no bond. Time for all of us, if possible, to put our mouths in neutral and are bodies in motion.
Comment by Jeff — October 15, 2008 @ 10:18 pm
Jeff, Caylee won’t necessarily be found. Experts have said that maybe she fed her to the alligators. I hope this is not the case. But if she could cold bloodedly kill her i don’t see what would stop her from feeding her to the alligators.
Comment by Lou — October 15, 2008 @ 10:23 pm
Then Go Find the Alligator that ate her!
Comment by ms — October 15, 2008 @ 10:36 pm
Lou, my suspicion is that if Casey fed Caylee to the alligators the only way Casey would be able to verify that the alligators did their job is if she hand fed poor little Caylee to them. And if this was the case I would doubt there would be a Casey to accuse anymore. Besides that I don’t think alligators like their meals seasoned with chloroform.
Comment by Jeff — October 15, 2008 @ 10:38 pm
ms, when i find the alligator I will make sure to express deliver it to you so you can bore it to death with your ridiculous statements.
Comment by Jeff — October 15, 2008 @ 10:41 pm
Jeff, i’m just saying what’s out there. I don’t anything about alligators and don’t really want to know.
Comment by Lou — October 15, 2008 @ 10:47 pm
#44
Todd black sounded ridiculous. everything that comes out of his mouth on behalf of Baez is ridiculous. has anyone read the actual press releases that come out of his office. One word for him………. proofread!!!!
Comment by Lou — October 15, 2008 @ 10:50 pm
To Deb in ref to your post #34 paragraph 3 – I don’t agree with you . Cindy is clearly pointing the finger at anyone she can- I think it’s funny how I had pointed this same subject out in ref to Cindy pointing the finger to get the heat off of her own daughter and that I ended my post with saying that the LE needs to hurry up and lock her up . Your post was the last on 2 different glosslip sites agreeing with me and also ending your post stating that the LE needs to hurry up and lock her up as well(go back and look at the other glosslip sites and you will see) ! Is this the same Deb???Change of heart??Why are you now defending a child killer??Because that’s what she is! And , yes I too believe Cindy and Lee know the truth as well! I’m sorry but it’s soooo obviouse to so many of us ,except for the few like you who want to defend the Anthony’s. However, I’m just pointing out that you have contradicting statements ,so which is it???
Comment by Anniray — October 15, 2008 @ 10:54 pm
Notable murder convictions without a body
By The Associated Press
Notable cases where the prosecution was able to get a conviction
despite the homicide victim’s body never being recovered:
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In the 1950s, West Palm Beach municipal Judge Joe Peel had
earned a reputation for straddling both sides of the law. When
Senior Circuit Judge Chillingworth, his superior and a pillar of
the West Palm Beach community, disciplined him for representing
both the husband and wife in a divorce, Peel hired a World War II
veteran and moonshiner to kill Chillingworth. On June 15, 1955,
Floyd “Lucky” Holzapfel and George David, bootleggers who relied
on Peel for protection, abducted Chillingworth and his wife
Marjorie, took them out into the ocean, killed them and dumped the
bodies. Evidence at the Chillingworth house quickly ruled out
robbery as a motive and investigators were stumped. But four years
later, Holzapfel mentioned his role to a friend, who turned him in.
Lincoln and Holzapfel were granted immunity in return for their
testimony. Peel was convicted and sentenced to life in prison.
Experts regard it as the first time a conviction was achieved
without a body.
More recent cases:
An Alva, Okla., jury deliberated two hours in September 2007
before convicting Katherine Rutan in the murder of her 6-year-old
son, Logan Tucker. Prosecutors said Rutan killed her son on June
23, 2002, so she could be with her boyfriend. Key evidence included
a boyfriend who testified that she told him she wished she could
kill her children and get away with it. Rulan’s other son, Justin,
told the jury that his mother took his brother into the woods and
returned without him. She was sentenced to life in prison.
——–
Nina Reiser, wife of Linux software designer Hans Reiser,
disappeared in September 2006 in Oakland, Calif. Nina, a Russian
native, married Reiser in 1998 and filed for divorce a year later.
The divorce was still pending when she disappeared, though she had
already gained custody of the couple’s two children. Hans Reiser
claimed his wife had abandoned him and the children, but
prosecutors said he had “motive coming out of his ears,”
including large child support payments and evidence Nina had an
affair with his best friend. Reiser rejected a three-year plea deal
to voluntary manslaughter, but four months after being convicted of
first-degree murder last April he agreed to lead investigators to
his wife’s body in return for a lesser sentence. He is serving a
15-year-to-life sentence for second-degree murder.
——–
Tom Capano, a wealthy lawyer from a prominent Delaware family,
immediately became a suspect when one of his mistresses, Anne Marie
Fahey, went missing in 1996 shortly after she broke off their
affair. But without a body, prosecutors were stymied until they
successfully pressured Capano’s younger brother to admit that he
helped dump Fahey’s body at sea after she had been fatally shot.
Capano, who claimed the shooting was an accident, was convicted of
murder in 1999 and is serving a life sentence.
——–
After Jami Shearer told her abusive husband, Steven, she was
leaving him in September 1990, she disappeared. Steven, who had
accused her of cheating on him with his friend, had told her he was
going to kill her and had remarked that an area near their Seattle
home was “a dumping ground for missing persons,” friends later
testified. Incidents of abusive behavior toward her were also
document and records showed that Steven Shearer had also been
actively using a dating service in the months before his wife’s
disappearance. His sister also testified that Steven Shearer had
told her he had done something very bad. Police charged him with
first-degree murder and, though prosecutors lacked a murder weapon
or eyewitnesses, he was convicted nearly 10 years later and
sentenced to 60 years in prison.
Comment by Lou — October 15, 2008 @ 10:56 pm
Lou, are you suggesting that I am wasting my time by searching for Caylee?
Comment by Jeff — October 15, 2008 @ 10:59 pm
Absolutely not Jeff. I plan also to join the search for her. I want her body recovered. better yet, i would love to see that little girl found alive i would gladly say i was wrong about casey but i just can’t ignore the facts out there. i was just saying what is being reported on several blogs about the alligators. It is definitely worth the search.
Comment by Lou — October 15, 2008 @ 11:05 pm
Hey Jeff, I guess you’d consider me part of the lynch mob but you know, it’s really not the case.
While I do think all the evidence I’ve seen, and I know it’s not complete tells me Casey is guilty, in a second, no SPLIT SECOND, I’d turn my opinion on a dime if I was given some reasonable explanation as to why Casey reasonably and innocently behaved they way she has.
But, she hasn’t. Not even when given an offer of limited immunity.
I’ll tell you this, if I was not guilty of something, I’d be explaining exactly why that was the case at the very first instance. I truly would. Okay, even given a dramatic situation, that some 3rd world country plus my family would be destroyed if I went to the police, well, I might want to keep things a secret, but, I’m just not that good of an actress to hide my distress and have a cover of partying all the time so people wouldn’t suspect that I was a saintly martyr.
Trust me Jeff, I’d love to believe the fairly tale ending, that Casey was a good mom and Caylee is alive.
It’s an insult to be put in the “lynch mob” category when I am only using my intelligence.
You might joke better than Linn or that other poster, but you label us with the same disregard to our intelligence and integrity. I’m not a lynch mob mentality person. And if I was a juror, I’d be very open to the other side of the story. The problem is, it hasn’t been forthcoming.
Comment by Karen — October 15, 2008 @ 11:05 pm
Anniray # 47 – some of us suspect that Deb is really Linn.
Comment by Lou — October 15, 2008 @ 11:07 pm
Karen, while I’m not a man general accusations I’m afraid the statement was one. I don’t believe everyone in here is a lynch mob. I believe my original statement was lynch mobb is gaining new ground. This was not meant for evedrybody. I apologize if it was taken that way. Clearly there are a few people blogging here that believe in justice over unsubstantiated revenge.
Comment by Jeff — October 15, 2008 @ 11:14 pm
Caseys lies don’t prove that she is a killer. They do prove that she is not being truthfull about the facts of Cayleed disappearance! That is helpfull evidence to the prosecutors.
Oh, by the way Jeff is a lackey working for someone connected with the defense! Tell your moronic superiors that your spin ain’t working. Tell them that you want a raise for working on your own time! Tell them that your client (Cindy) is smoking the wackey weed!
She is unreachable mentally at this time and deserves to get SLAMMED with every spiteful comment she makes!
Tell her to get an endorsement from Subway or WeightWatchers so she can pay the people who have come to her aid to help her rat bastard daughter!
Tell em that Jeff! You deserve better than to be at their call 24-7 over a scumbag like Casey. Grow some nuts Jeff! Pick a better team than the one you are playing for now!
Comment by ms — October 15, 2008 @ 11:16 pm
Karen #53. i agree with you – i would also change my opinion given an innocent and reasonable explanation by casey. And even if the dramatic scenario you described was true – she could have told the fbi who are trained to handle such delicate cases and no one would have ever known – if that were the case she would have had caylee back after all the time that has passed. Even now with the threat of death she’s still won’t crack. I think that it’s becuase of whatever is going on between her and baez – he’s made her believe that he can protect her from everything.
Comment by Lou — October 15, 2008 @ 11:17 pm
ms- # 56 – we’ve already accused jeff of working for baez or nejame to try to get us to change our opinions. we’ve also accused him of being Linn/Tom/Robin but he’s denied everything. he claims he’s here for some research about our behaviors.
Comment by Lou — October 15, 2008 @ 11:21 pm
ms, LOL
I have diclosed who I am on the original blog with a link to my personal myspace site.
Comment by Jeff — October 15, 2008 @ 11:23 pm
jeff = which original blog? If you mean the blog before this one that wasn’t the first/original blog on this site.
Comment by Lou — October 15, 2008 @ 11:26 pm
I don’t really understand why folks would think that what is written here would have any impact at all on the outcome of this trial. It has enlightened me to the paranoia factor, as well as the justifing your own existance by feeling you are an active part of the investigation by….Lol….BLOGGING!!!
Comment by Jeff — October 15, 2008 @ 11:27 pm
Thanks Jeff,
Saw it earlier. Let me give you my personal website too (and my space). I am the Easter Bunny! myspace.easterbunny.iamanidiot
??????????????????????
You think that proves anything?
Comment by ms — October 15, 2008 @ 11:27 pm
Sorry Lou, The previous blog to this one.
Comment by Jeff — October 15, 2008 @ 11:28 pm
ms.
Lol!! Well, at least your myspace link seems to fit.
Comment by Jeff — October 15, 2008 @ 11:30 pm
Look. this is getting nasty and really for no reason…So…back to the blog.
Comment by Jeff — October 15, 2008 @ 11:32 pm
I retract post 64
Comment by Jeff — October 15, 2008 @ 11:32 pm
Jeff 61 – it’s not that we think we can influence the outcome – it’s just frustrating that with everything out there you think she is innocent. I personally have no tolerance for ignorance. All the evidence that is out there can lead us to only one conclusion.
Comment by Lou — October 15, 2008 @ 11:34 pm
Lou,
I;m not trying to offend you here but you are claiming ignorance? I’m sorry but YOUR ignorance has led you to state time and time again that I feel Casey is innocent. I have repeatedly said I do not have an opinion. I would never waste my time searching areas provided by orlando law enforcement if I felt she was innocent. I am defending law and justice. Professionalism and above all…Caylee.
Comment by Jeff — October 15, 2008 @ 11:43 pm
#61
Here is why…
Your people representing Cindy have expressed spite directly related to the blogs!
Comment by ms — October 15, 2008 @ 11:44 pm
MY BEEF HERE HAS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE…I WANT A BODY BEFORE THIS GOES TO TRIAL. IF WE CANT FIND ONE, ITS TIME TO LOOK AT OTHER SCENARIOS.
Comment by Jeff — October 15, 2008 @ 11:46 pm
#61
All you are about is…
“Prove It”
“This proves nothing”
Like Cindy…
“Air Samples Mean Nothing”
“Nothing can prove that my daughter harmed Caylee”
Jeff you are the same! Nothing you say or do can prove to me that you are not a shill, messenger boy for the people faced with the task of fixing the unfixable!
Cindy & Casey are broken (BEYOND REPAIR)!
Comment by ms — October 15, 2008 @ 11:51 pm
Ok ms…Congrats, ya got me pegged!! Can we get on with it now? I have to be up early and report to Mr. Nejame/Baez.
Comment by Jeff — October 15, 2008 @ 11:57 pm
#70
If a body is found there would be more lies…
That doesn’t prove tham my child (or client) killed her BS!
The most logical reality is that Casey killed Caylee and Cindy knows it! However…
The Anthony girls problems are deep!
Cindy is not capeable of introspection (self analysis) much less allowing others to fault her daughter. Mind you, she has no problem attacking her daughters faults and has proven that on tape!
The problem now is primal! Territorial! Deep rooted self blame and denial! Cindy needs immediate treatment 24-7! If she continues to talk at this time she will continue to sound thoughtless and people with logic will eat her alive!
Casey killed Caylee! Cindy, shut up or prove that she did not while the the prosecutors will attempt to prove otherwise.
I have said this before…
Why wait for a trial to tell us something that will prove her innocence or something the public would “understand”?
Comment by ms — October 16, 2008 @ 12:07 am
ms – what do you think about George?
Comment by Lou — October 16, 2008 @ 12:19 am
The trial is the only place the defense can disclose their side. It would be foolish for them to spout their defense before then. It gives the prosecution a chance to study it and attack it ahead of time. Baez says we will all understand in the end. I’m not so sure we will but he seems to think so. That tells me he does have some kind of defense. Cindy, who is in the loop on this says Caylee is still alive so if you add the two together, the defense will involve Caylee still being alive. Baez know’s he will never win this type of defense without producing a living Caylee so there is SOME, not alot but SOME chance that she is…still…..alive. I hope.
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 12:25 am
I believe that Georges testimony was very damming.
I bet that they asked him if he ever smelled a decomposing body in the past and his response was yes. I bet they asked him after if he thought the smell in Caseys car trunk smelled the same and he said yes.
George is an incredible person and I bet his wife will turn on him for doing the right thing! I belive that Cindy has been a tough Mom to Casey for a long time and has gone off the deep end to compensate.
Also, I realize that Cindy is in a terrible spot and I wish her all the support in the world! Her actions during this time however show more weakness then strength.
You can truly judge a persons true character when the chips are down!
It is harder to be compassionate to Cindy when she continues to discredit the people who are paid to serve and protect!
These are our heros!
Caylees heros!
Comment by ms — October 16, 2008 @ 12:26 am
If this was not the case, he would have gone for the original charge of child neglect and plea for lesser.
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 12:28 am
ms- george was on local news tonight and said that their investigator is two steps from bringing Caylee home. he’s in as much denial as cindy is. he thinks his testimony had no impact yesterday becuase “it’s what they’ve been planning since july 16.” i’d started to feel a little sorry for him but now i see he’s just as delusional as the rest of his family.
Comment by Lou — October 16, 2008 @ 12:32 am
OMG!!! You all have been tooting his horn ever since he testified against Casey..and as I had said..BY FORCE. Now he is delusional??
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 12:38 am
Deb,
You are an angel. Thank you. It is refreshing for me to know that not all of us has lost our minds and morales. It’s quite interesting to me to witness this mob mentality. People talk of how we become more and more civilized by the day but I beg to differ. I used to spend alot of time in Salem Mass, just watching the different reactions to people who live there as well as visit. Some were fixated on living the lives of wickens and enjoyed being potrayed as witches. Some frequented the psychic shops and enjoyed the sensationalism of the witchcraft arts. Unfortunately, no one ever considered the reality and embaressment of what actually took place there. We have not changed. No advancement in civility. Mass hysteria is a disgusting part of humanity and will continue as long as we exist. People like you and I must suffer from bearing witness to this and regrettably, must be labeled as well through guilty by association.
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 12:50 am
Lou,
I hope George is right! I pray that he is right. Then we can all say what a wacky world we have become! Sinister, cynical and non trusting. Then we can blame the media for creating this core of horrible logic! I will tell Cindy that she is right and that we all followed the pied piper! Like she said the media is making us all puppets in a way!
George is dong damage control at home that’s all!
Comment by ms — October 16, 2008 @ 12:51 am
Deb and Jeff – you all don’t have to suffer. No one is making you come here.
Comment by Lou — October 16, 2008 @ 12:55 am
#81
People have grown tired of talk and a lack of accountability.
People have grown tired of poor choices with a lack of regard to others! There is NO justice or truth anymore and Cindy & Caylee stand together as examples with Baez at their side!
MOB MENTALITY? Call it what u will. A beautiful, sweet and precious child is missing. And her mother is lying about the consequences surrounding her so called disappearance Jeff! Police (professionals) believe that she is DEAD! And you are concerned about our behavior?
Nobody is lynching the wench? We are talking on a frickin blog that your bosses want you to fix!
Comment by ms — October 16, 2008 @ 1:02 am
Lou,
You are exactly right. We don’t have to be here. But maybe we feel we can help by stating our opinions and try to keep true justice alive. Maybe some of what we say will get through and alter the thought patterns of folks who instantly accuse. If we stay silent, then we to are guilty by letting mob mentality run away with itself….Then again, maybe we are just rubbernecking at a tragic accident but cant seem to turn our eyes away from the verbal gore that the majority of the public is spewing.
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 1:05 am
ms – maybe just do as i have started doing since post 83. don’t even acknowledge any post by deb or jeff because they are right and we are wrong.
Comment by Lou — October 16, 2008 @ 1:06 am
Lou….SPOKEN WITH TRUE MOB MENTALITY!!!
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 1:10 am
Unfortuanatly for us, we actually want Lou and MS to have their own opinions. Thats what America, and justice is all about. We cannot say you are right or wrong. We can disagree but not dictate.
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 1:14 am
WoW!!! Sure got quiet!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!
Kudos Deb & Jeff!
Comment by teri — October 16, 2008 @ 1:14 am
You know, in thinking about this and your statements and complete about face on George and his statement about finding Caylee alive. I really feel now you would rather have a dead Caylee than be wrong in your accusations…sad.
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 1:20 am
Lol! Thanks Teri
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 1:22 am
Jeff, when are you and the fiance heading to Florida? I commend you both! I wish y’all the best of luck in the search, and have a safe trip.
Comment by teri — October 16, 2008 @ 1:25 am
Thank you teri. It is kind of a two in one trip. Her parents live in that area so we are visiting as well as searching. I’m not sure it will make a difference but its just one of those things that ya feel like you need to do something.
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 1:30 am
We are hoping to leave Indiana in the next week or so.
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 1:31 am
Of course it makes a difference! It’s honorable. And just for the record, I too, like you and Deb, just want the truth no matter what that truth is. What an exhausting time you and Deb have had in trying to make the “Mob” understand that you are interested in the truth only at this point, and not the guilt or innocence. There’s time for that. Again, KUDOS!
Comment by teri — October 16, 2008 @ 1:38 am
Well thank you. And with that positive comment, I must go to sleep now. Goodnight all.
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 1:43 am
Ditto. Happy Dreams!
Comment by teri — October 16, 2008 @ 1:44 am
“Lou, George and Cindy, for reasons that are theirs and theirs alone, believe differently than you do.”
The problem here is that they have been throwing other people under the bus in order to hold on to their beliefs. Jesse, Zenida etc. That is the crux of the problem. It’s not just a matter of letting them find comfort in beliefs they find comforting anymore.
How would you like to be accused of kidnapping on TV? I sure as hell wouldn’t!
Comment by Karen — October 16, 2008 @ 6:22 am
“Maybe some of what we say will get through and alter the thought patterns of folks who instantly accuse.”
The people who have made the most instant and unsubstantiated accusations have been Casey and Cindy. From the nanny, to the integrity of the security at the tow yard, to the political motivations of the Orlando government all of these people and more have had their reputations dragged into the mud in order for the Anthony’s to hold on to their belief that Caylee is alive and their daughter is innocent.
Casey’s innocence does not exist in a vacuum unfortunately. And so far, the evidence presented in the news makes a greater case for Casey’s guilt than it does for anyone else’s involvement.
Provide evidence to the contrary and I’d be happy to change my mind.
Comment by Karen — October 16, 2008 @ 7:17 am
To post #97- You and Jeff just want the truth?? Well who holds the answers we all have been waiting for??Would that be Casey??Well she’s not telling and when she did speak it was ALL lies ! She’s proven herself to be an untrustworthy little B*&^h ! SO again why would anyone believe that she’s innocent? Please don’t tell me a liar doesnt make a murderer because in this case a liar + ALL of the evidence we have seen so far(not to mention the evidence we have not seen). If I were on the jury I would convict her in a heart beat!It only took the panel for the Grand Jury of 19 a whole 30 minutes to decide! What does that tell you people?? The evidence must have been quite convincing for them to come to a decision so quickly!I’m sure a lot more is coming for the trial! If by chance this woman does not get a conviction (I think she will)then I will have to seriously question our court system. Letting OJ off was bad enough! I pray and truly believe this will not happen again!Throw the book at her!!!!I’m tired of harm/death being done to innocent little babies/tots/children at the hands of the people that are suppose to love and protect them the most ! It’s a disgrace and people can’t just get away with it! And YES go ahead and call me ANGRY because that’s what I feel towards people who harm innocent little children ! ANGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Anniray — October 16, 2008 @ 10:06 am
wow! http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-101608,0,7523378.story
Attorney’s spokesman says child is dead
7:35 a.m. A spokesman for Casey Anthony’s defense team told a national television news station that her young daughter, Caylee Marie Anthony, is dead.
Attorney Jose Baez’s spokesman, Todd Black, was live on a phone interview on CNN Wednesday night when he said, “It’s very difficult. This is a serious case involving not just the loss of the life of this little girl, but the loss of whatever is going to happen with Casey Anthony.”
Did anyone hear that interview?
Comment by Karen — October 16, 2008 @ 10:18 am
To add one more thing, quite frankly when the “big story” does come out in court that will explain what happend in Casey’s defense. Why should we believe it ??He’s defending a LIAR and quite frankly I don’t think he’s much better than she is. I won’t bbelieve a thing that the defense has to say unless they produce a LIVE Caylee! Then and ONLY then will I eat my words and send a personal apology to the Anthony’s! That’s all I have to say for now….
Comment by Anniray — October 16, 2008 @ 10:20 am
I don’t see CNN reporting that. I wonder if the defense has now taken that position. I wonder if the DNA evidence they’ve seen would have lead them to that belief.
Comment by Karen — October 16, 2008 @ 10:23 am
HEADLINE FROM wftv.com: DEFENSE TEAM SLIPS UP
ADMITS CAYLEE IS DEAD ON NATIONAL TV:
Eyewitness News was the only local news team to catch a major slip-up by Casey Anthony’s defense team on national television.
The spokesperson for Casey’s attorney admitted that Caylee Anthony is dead. Casey’s family has insisted that Caylee is simply missing and that she had nothing to do with her disappearance.
However, Todd Black, the spokesperson for Casey’s attorney Jose Baez, made an appearance on CNN Wednesday night and was grilled about the case. When he was asked why Casey was captured in several pictures partying while her daughter was missing, he slipped up.
Todd Black paused for a second and became flustered after he said, “This is a serious case involving not just the loss of the life of a little girl, but the loss of whatever is going to happen to Casey Anthony.”
In late August, Eyewitness News was the first station to uncover new DNA evidence that showed the toddler was no longer alive.
Her mother, Casey Anthony, is now charged with her murder and she’s sitting in jail with no bond.
My what a lot of posts since yesterday. Well, after all this time, it seems TODD BLACK spokesman
for the ANTHONY FAMILY -had a slip of the tongue
and admitted Casey is dead. So for you apologists
who continue to try to spin this case, you are now
faced with the fact that everyone in the Anthony family and the defense KNOWS CAYLEE IS DEAD. I
absolutely believe that the defense is going to
make a plea deal.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 10:54 am
HAHAHAHA! Holy Shit! Mind you, I’d be inclined to make the same slip up myself. I mean, for just how long can one keep up with the pretense, I mean, really.
Comment by Karen — October 16, 2008 @ 10:57 am
This was NOT a slip!
Comment by ms — October 16, 2008 @ 11:08 am
Is Todd Black the spokesman for the Anthony family or Jose Baez? Or both? I thought the Anthony family spokesman was some guy in LA.
Comment by Karen — October 16, 2008 @ 11:09 am
Todd Black is the spokesman for the Anthony Family
there was someone else named Larry, but he is long gone. He was in the L.A. area so I guess it wasnt
convenient or he lost interest.
It was thought that Todd Black helped to
organize the money for the bond – possibly having
something to do with some media such as lifetime TV
or a tabloid.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 11:16 am
from http://www.orlandosentinel.com
CASEY ANTHONY DEFENSE TEAM: CAYLEE IS DEAD
check it out
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 11:18 am
10:45 .m. Thursday/Update at 11 a.m. Thursday: A spokesman involved in the Casey Anthony case used the words “loss of a life” in an interview on Wednesday with CNN when talking about Caylee Anthony. This has caught the attention of the Orange-Osceola State Attorney’s Office, which said on Thursday it requires further investigation. Here is the full quote:
“This is a very serious case involving not just the loss of a life of this little girl, but the loss of whatever is going to happen to Casey Anthony.”
WESH 2 News reporter Bob Kealing just talked with Black, who serves as a spokesman for Casey’s attorney, Jose Baez, to ask more about what he meant. Black said the quote was taken out of context, and that he was actually responding to a bad joke someone else made about Caylee being dead. He said he absolutely believes Caylee is alive.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 11:22 am
The backtracking by Black has started – now he says
he was responding to a “bad joke” someone made
about Caylee being dead – Todd Black is the bad
joke, if you ask me, he absolutely was not
responding to anything but the stupid foot he
put in his mouth
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 11:24 am
Whats interesting is this: if Casey has admitted
to her attorney that Caylee is dead, then what
responsibility has the attorney to not continue to
help cover up a crime? Up until Tuesday Casey was only charged with child abuse – if she told Baez
Caylee was dead, didnt he have to report it
or be accused of covering up a crime?
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 11:25 am
DEB #79 – I just wanted to tell you that I am one of those “converts” in the way I think about this case, from reading posts like yours, and Jeff’s. I won’t group you with Linn, because although she seemed to share your opinions, she was very condescending, and treated the other bloggers as though she was of far superior intellect… neither you, nor Jeff has made me feel that way. Enough about that.
I just wanted to say that I am not afraid to admit that when I started reading this blog (the only one I read), I was strongly of the opinion that Caylee is dead, and that Casey killed her, and that she should be harshly punished. If you look back through prior posts about this case on Glosslip, you will probably see some of my venomous posts.
I have to say, though, that after learning more about the details of this case from reading this blog, and after reading yours and Jeff’s posts, I am far more inclined to feel empathy toward the family involved in this mess, and I am much more interested in finding out the truth in this matter, than in lynching Casey. I know I am only one person, but the two of you can feel good about having shown the light to at least one other American citizen. I am not saying that I think Casey is innocent, I am only saying that I want facts and evidence, which for me, will equal proof.
Also through reading this blog, however delusional or irrational I may be in feeling this way, I still hold out hope that Caylee is alive and will be found as such. But if her body is found, then I do feel Casey is responsible…
JEFF – I would LOVE to join you… but as I have posted before, I am a single mother of a toddler myself, so my life situation does not permit me to join the search… but I promise you – and CAYLEE – my prayers that she will be found – ALIVE. Best of luck to you…
God be with little Caylee, wherever she is.
Comment by glp — October 16, 2008 @ 11:40 am
:raises eyebrow:
Comment by k — October 16, 2008 @ 11:53 am
k – what’s puzzling to you?
Comment by glp — October 16, 2008 @ 11:56 am
my eyebrows are up too!
also – today at 2:00 pm Eastern Baez will hold a
news conference. I believe it will be to try to rebut the blunder of Todd Black on CNN yesterday
where he stated that Caylee was dead. See posts #106 and #112 you can follow the links if you have just
heard about this story. Also wordpress.com has a sound bit of Todd Blacks statement.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 12:01 pm
Elaine, why?
Comment by glp — October 16, 2008 @ 12:10 pm
Todd,
Caper is blown! Truth be known. Now use the Constitution to protect her from the truth. Not hide her (Casey) from the truth!
Comment by ms — October 16, 2008 @ 12:59 pm
Casey is not unlike many sick mothers who have done the same horrible thing in the past. The sicker thought is the lack of accountability dynamic once faced with the outcome.
What makes this case unique is that the families of OJ & Peterson were not attacking the corageous people doing their jobs (media & police) to find truth and justice.
Casey & her lawyers actions are constant.
Cindy is the “wild card” that makes this story mutate. Her agenda and actions are not about truth, justice, mourning, desperate searching or Caylee! Why does she not make the so called sightings available to the media? They would have APB’s out regardless in a flash.
For some reason, Cindy has to play a bigger role the matter?
Comment by ms — October 16, 2008 @ 1:23 pm
I hope the police are tailing Lee as well. I hate to think that the family would attempt to tamper with evidence? I know it is a creepy thought and more than likely not a possibility. But…
Who knows with the refusal to assist LE with evidence, lie detectors and the whole drop off at the underpass thing leads to question.
Comment by ms — October 16, 2008 @ 1:27 pm
Casey is a sociopath, much like Diane Downs – who killed one child and injured her other two children because they were ‘in the way’ of her having a good time. One would have to be either stupid or a member of the Anthony family to believe the lie after lie after lie told by this woman. She’s “afraid” to tell what she knows? Pffft. Yeah, sure you are Casey. Why any good mother would be out partying and laughing it up while their baby is missing. Silly us.
We can only hope they find this child’s body and that she is given the decent burial she deserves.
Comment by Rachel — October 16, 2008 @ 3:13 pm
I just listened to the exchange on CNN – the link
is below I got it from websleuths.com and sorry
Deb but as usual, your information is incorrect.
Its quite clear what Todd Black said – and I have no idea how you can call this out of context. He was
making three separate points – the second point
he made contained the statement below:
On Prime News while Todd Black(with Baez’ office) was trying to defend JB he made a major slip of the tongue. He stated ” This is a very difficult, serious case, not only involving THE LOSS OF THE LIFE OF A LITTLE GIRL but the loss of whatever is going to happen to Casey Anthony.”
I’ve attached the link.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes…y.indicted.cnn
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 3:26 pm
CNN is standing by this story by the way.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 3:28 pm
The only plausible explanation for why Casey would be out partying it up (short of her being the sociopath she is thought to be), is that she knew where Caylee was, and that she was safe. Now, that explanation for her apparent lack of concern for her child’s whereabouts certainly doesn’t explain away all the other details that have come to light since Caylee went missing, but until a body is found, I will continue to hope that Caylee is found alive and well. Certainly, if she is not, I believe Casey is responsible.
God be with little Caylee, wherever she is.
Comment by glp — October 16, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
Deb, I listened to the audio before commenting. I went to the primary source before forming my opinion. Upon reflection, my assessment stands.
And actually, what I would like is for Caylee to be alive, and Casey to be innocent. I’ve always been a utopian btw.
Comment by Karen — October 16, 2008 @ 3:39 pm
From the MIAMI HERALD:
Posted on Thu, Oct. 16, 2008
Mom’s spokesman insists missing Fla. girl is alive
By MARK WANGRIN
The spokesman for an attorney representing a Florida woman accused of murdering her 3-year-old daughter said Thursday that they believe the child is alive, and that he never told a national television network the girl was dead.
Caylee Anthony’s body has not been found in four months of searches, but her family has maintained she is alive.
“That is our belief,” spokesman Todd Black said Thursday. “It’s preposterous to report anything else.”
The child’s mother, Casey Anthony, was indicted Tuesday on charges of first-degree murder, aggravated abuse of a child, aggravated manslaughter and four counts of lying to investigators. Her attorneys have said she is innocent.
Black was interviewed by Headline News on Tuesday. A transcript released by the network showed Black said “this is a very serious case involving not just the loss of the life of this little girl but the loss of whatever is going to happen with Casey Anthony.” The network stood by its interview.
“This was a live interview and it is what he said,” said Janine Iamunno, a Headline News spokeswoman.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 3:39 pm
Deb, you simply aren’t going to catch a break here. No amount of reason, dispute, or explanation is going to get through to some of our fellow posters on this blog.
Comment by glp — October 16, 2008 @ 3:44 pm
I should say, I listened to the audio before I laughed. The first post referencing this I was not even sure it was a true story.
Comment by Karen — October 16, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
I will continue to hope that Caylee is found alive and well. Certainly, if she is not, I believe Casey is responsible.
Certainly everyone would like to ‘hope’ she’s alive. However, chances are she is not. If Casey knew all along where this child was, and that she was ’safe’, why hasn’t she told? Even after being charged with murder she isn’t talking. Even with the world watching, being surrounded by law enforcement she’s too “scared” to for once tell the truth?
Please. The woman is guilty as sin, and her actions over the past 4 months, not to mention the fact that tests show there was a body in her trunk, prove it.
And I’ll bet you a million bucks the jury is going to agree with me.
Comment by Rachel — October 16, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
I just went back to wftv.com and listened to the whole interview and there is no DOUBT that Todd
Black had a slip of the tongue and said “Loss of the life”. It was not out of context and he was NOT
responding to a bad joke and the bad joke
was about Casey not Caylee (kool-aid Casey) something
like that which had nothing to do with Caylee.
People do have slip of the tongues – it happens
all the time. Spin it anyway you want, we aint buying
it.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 3:55 pm
Karen, that may be true about a jury agreeing with you. And after seeing all the evidence, especially that which has not yet been made public, I might agree with you. As I said, my explanation was simply the only plausible explanation for her carefree demeanor in the days following Caylee’s disappearance. I also said it doesn’t explain away all the other pertinent details about this case.
Comment by glp — October 16, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
To glp, yes you are correct Deb is not going to catch a break, because she is spinning this to what
reason I dont know. She is not using any facts
to dispute it. She just cant say it isnt so – she
has to have something to back it up. I just listed
CNN, WFTV, the ORLANDO SENTINEL, the MIAMI HERALD
and other papers and media who have fact checkers
and get copies of transcripts and they all stand
by what has been reported here. Because DEB says
its not so we are supposed to believe it? please
give us something that is factual from now on.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 3:59 pm
Regarding the comment on the “carefree behavior”
so lets get this straight – your child is kidnapped
and its ok to be carefree – of, you sell your child
which is human trafficking which is a federal offense
and very high penalty for it, i.e. is a form of
slavery, and you are ok with being carefree,
Is that correct? Just wanted to know.
Then after one of these circumstances happen and its found out your child is gone, its ok to maintain
silence because god knows it much easier to get the death penalty than tell where the child is?
Did I get all that right???
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
WOW
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 4:11 pm
Deb if you arent Linn, maybe you should have your DNA checked with hers for you are surely related.
Well, you said a mouthful but unfortunately as usual
it was much ado about nothing. We who believed that
Casey Anthony was guilty of killing her child
have at least been vindicated for our beliefs
by her indictment by at least 12 impartial jurists
who heard this case. We also have heard from many many health professionals who have called Casey a sociopath, which we believe she is. We have heard
from LE who believe she is guilty. We have heard
from other impartial posters such as are on this website and many others I have listed before who
all believe she is guilty. We have no agenda,
we have no personal interest in this case. But
we all have come to the same conclusions and we are
confident enough to post those conclusions. And finally we have read and heard the transcripts
of this case – over 1000 pages of written transcripts
and many recorded interviews. And yesterday we actually heard her spokesman say Caylee was dead.
We can never ever convince you Deb because for some
reason you choose to ignore the facts and you never
ever give us one reason to believe otherwise because
your arguments dont make sense. Sorry but thats the way it is.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 4:19 pm
Elaine – Talk about spinning…
NO, HER BEHAVIOR IS NOT OK BY MY STANDARDS, NOR DID I SAY, OR EVEN SUGGEST THAT. When someone presents a hypothetical situation, it doesn’t mean they are endorsing it, or even believe it. It is simply a hypothetical…
But in response to your ’spin’ on my post, if Casey left Caylee with someone she felt Caylee was safe with, then SHE (not me, I hesitate to leave my child with close relatives who I implicitly trust) might feel comfortable enough to go about her life without showing signs of being in great distress. That explanation certainly makes more sense in relation to her behavior than, SHE JUST KILLED HER KID, YET SHE IS HAPPY GO LUCKY AND CAREFREE.
I get that sociopaths can, and do, behave this way, and I certainly allow for that possiblity as I continue to watch this unfold. So no need to remind me that Casey is, perhaps, a sociopath, and that many mothers murder their children.
Additionally, I would appreciate it if you don’t twist my words or interject things that I absolutely did not say. Neither of the two scenarios are good (she sold/gave Caylee away or she murdered her), in fact, both are reprehensible beyond any belief that I can muster. My hope is for the ‘human trafficking scenario to be correct, only because it allows for the possibility that Caylee is alive and unharmed.
Once again, and for the last time, I mentioned that scenario as a very simplified explanation for why Casey might not have been in utter despair in the days after Caylee is reported to have gone missing. And if you read my post, I did also say that it “it doesn’t explain away all the other pertinent details about this case.”
I am sickened to my core by the thought of a mother harming her child in ANY WAY (to include murdering, selling, giving away, etc. etc.) I know it happens, you need not press that point again. I also know that the information out there at this point, at least what has been reported, does not favor an alive and well child being found. But I will continue to hope, and more importantly, PRAY that Caylee will be found alive and well, despite what the multitude thinks about this case.
Ultimately, it doesn’t matter what you think of my thoughts and feelings about this case, nor does it matter what I think about yours. The ONLY THING THAT MATTERS, IS FINDING CAYLEE. And I pray to God she is found soon.
God be with little Caylee, wherever she is.
Comment by glp — October 16, 2008 @ 4:25 pm
You are just the person that neither the prosecutor or the defense will keep on a panel.
And YOU’RE the type of person who causes hung juries. We’ve seen it before -11 people convinced beyond ALL doubt that a person is guilty, and one who refuses vote to guilty, despite overwhelming evidence.
Thankfully you won’t be on the jury, and I’m completely comfortable with 12 people seeing all of the evidence and locking this sociopath away for life.
Comment by Rachel — October 16, 2008 @ 4:26 pm
Elaine – #137 – “yes you are correct Deb is not going to catch a break, because she is spinning this to what
reason I dont know. She is not using any facts
to dispute it.”
The defense doesn’t have to provide facts to disprove the prosecutions assertions. They only need to create doubt. And despite what you believe, there is doubt out there at this point. Maybe when all the evidence is presented, evidence that we aren’t privy to yet, doubt will be harder to come by. But your “facts” some of which are, and some of which aren’t so much, don’t seal the deal for me just yet.
Comment by glp — October 16, 2008 @ 4:36 pm
Deb, I’d appreciate it if you’d enlighten us as to why you and Linn have the exact same IP address? As I recall, you said you were leaving but a colleague would be filling in for you. Is Deb/Linn the same person, or are you blogging from work? K and I don’t appreciate people using different identities on the site, so please refrain from doing so.
Obviously we aren’t the only ones who picked up on the similarities.
And just to address something, how can we assume Casey is innocent when LE and the DA’s office have indicted her for murder? If she is convicted, will you still think she is innocent? Just asking.
Comment by D — October 16, 2008 @ 4:36 pm
Once and for all – you dont NEED the body. If you think because you can dispose of a body that you can get away with murder – think again – and if you are CONVINCED that a person can ONLY be convicted
because there IS a body – there is nothing to discuss. You cannot be objectively looking at other
evidence because you will never care what it is
Therefore, we have to conclude you are not objective
and can never be.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
http://www.wftv.com – has the link for the entire interview on CNN – its very easily found – if you really want to find it
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 4:39 pm
glp,
Human trafficking is not done to provide a safe and wonderful life for a child. You are very naive in that statement. Human trafficking usually results in serious abuse, slavery and eventually death. Not to be critical just thought you should know.
I can see you care a great deal about Caylee and I hope your prayers are heard.
Deb,
I stated an opinion and wrote it as such. If you get to have yours, I certainly can have mine, which is based on a “bit” of experience. Sounds like you like to dispute things. Perhaps you should go to Law School.
Comment by sharebear — October 16, 2008 @ 4:41 pm
interesting that Linn and “Deb” share an IP address
hmmmm I wonder why?
At least everyone here has guts enough to
post honestly.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 4:47 pm
Elaine – I get that human trafficking is bad news. I was using your words when I used that term. I should have been more clear about my hope. My HOPE is that Casey knew who she was giving Caylee to, and this someone is a person she trusted not to harm Caylee. I know that doesn’t match with her defense, that she didn’t call the authorities because she was afraid whoever had Caylee would harm her, but as we KNOW, Casey LIES. So I don’t place much stock in anything she says. Again, I know this isn’t the most likely scenario, but I can still hope… at least until there is concrete, undeniable evidence to PROVE otherwise. The thought of this child – ANY CHILD – suffering, makes me physically sick.
Comment by glp — October 16, 2008 @ 4:49 pm
Indeed, I almost wrote that she had convinced me that she was Linn, but then I left it out.
Comment by sharebear — October 16, 2008 @ 4:49 pm
Sorry Elaine, my last post was in response to sharebear…
Comment by glp — October 16, 2008 @ 4:50 pm
And “Tom” and a few other people.
That’s what I was getting at earlier.
“Linn”, I tried to warn you when you said you were leaving and not coming back!
Comment by k — October 16, 2008 @ 5:01 pm
D & K – How about Jeff? lol
Comment by glp — October 16, 2008 @ 5:07 pm
I just told Dawn you would have an answer like that.
You’re using this site for some sick little game of your own making, and I’ve known for a while, but I wanted to let you trip yourself up. I knew if I gave you enough rope, you’d hang yourself. I thought your sister was Linn, or Linndonezza or something like that…at least, that’s what you said. I was hoping more people would pick up on it.
Just another reminder that what you see on teh internets isn’t always what is. Posters, it’s sad, but I’ve been around messageboards for almost a decade now, and I’ve seen some pretty bad stuff. This isn’t surprising to me. But just remember that just because somebody says they are one thing, doesn’t mean they are.
So proceed with your debate, but always use caution.
Comment by k — October 16, 2008 @ 5:29 pm
FROM wftv.com BAEZ says Caylee alive – Black
taken out of context.
however, if you read further you will see
wftv is reporting that Black denied the next day
what he said and scrambled for five minutes giving
different excuses for his statement – none of which
are believed and also have been proven to be false
by the recorded interview and transcripts played out
by CNN who stated their reporting was true and accurate and that audiotapes do not lie!
This is a very serious case, involving not just the loss of the life of this little girl, but the loss of whatever is going to happen with Casey Anthony,” Todd Black said on CNN Wednesday night (Hear It All).
Black is Casey’s attorney’s spokesman. Not only is he trying to take back his words, so is the attorney and Casey’s family.
Todd Black, the spokesperson for Casey Anthony’s legal team, admitted on national television late Wednesday that Caylee Anthony is dead. Eyewitness News reached Black by phone Thursday and he denied that is what he meant. He insisted the Baez legal team is confident Caylee is just missing and Casey had nothing to do with her disappearance.
“I did not say that on national television. I responded to what someone else said,” Black told Eyewitness News (full interview).
He scrambled for more than five minutes during the call, coming up with different excuses and explanations about what he meant by the comment. But, the bottom line is, he admitted what investigators have long said.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 5:32 pm
I can not enlighten you on why Linn (whoever that is) and I am using the same IP address. Other than there are 6 girls in the upstairs of this house and 7 girls in the basement area. They all are connected to the same IP provided by the home owner – my sister. I have been her for a short time visiting my daughter and prior to that did not even know about this case. The girls got me interested and I posted.
You protest a bit too much.
And fool no one.
Comment by Rachel — October 16, 2008 @ 5:33 pm
Comment by k — October 16, 2008 @ 5:33 pm
glp: As far as we can tell, Jeff is a separate entity…in other words, someone else.
Comment by k — October 16, 2008 @ 5:34 pm
k – i did pick up on that too. when she also started saying her name was deborahanne and something about parents sense of humors. but didn’t think it was worth the argument because she’d just deny deny deny. but with her dishonesty exposed i can see now why she backs Casey.
Comment by Lou — October 16, 2008 @ 5:35 pm
He scrambled for more than five minutes during the call, coming up with different excuses and explanations about what he meant by the comment.
Unless he’s living in some Alice in Wonderland parallel universe, his words have only one meaning.
He slipped up and he knows it. Oops.
Comment by Rachel — October 16, 2008 @ 5:36 pm
You know To Deb, one thing you should at least
be is accurate – that is absolutely not true what
you posted that Todd Black said – he said nothing
like that when speaking to Mike Galanos on CNN
his recorded audio is on so many channels its easily found. I have posted several times today what
he said and once again this is exactly what he said:
10:45 .m. Thursday/Update at 11 a.m. Thursday: A spokesman involved in the Casey Anthony case used the words “loss of a life” in an interview on Wednesday with CNN when talking about Caylee Anthony. This has caught the attention of the Orange-Osceola State Attorney’s Office, which said on Thursday it requires further investigation. Here is the full quote:
“This is a very serious case involving not just the loss of a life of this little girl, but the loss of whatever is going to happen to Casey Anthony.”
there is no “out of context” he said it and now
the spin has started to stop the bleeding. However,
do not suffer FOOLS gladly.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 5:37 pm
You are weird -
I pick one user name and stick with it. I don’t need to create multiple profiles. I don’t create long, rambling “explanations” of why it may appear that I have multiple accounts but see, my sister and her neice and my mother-in-law, and 2nd cousin twice removed share a house and well…
And I recognize obvious lies from both kids AND adults.
Comment by Rachel — October 16, 2008 @ 5:55 pm
When she was Linn she only had sons.
and people (like her coworkers) recognized Linn’s posts because they were her initials so she said.
She posted as “Linn” everywhere she said.
Comment by Lou — October 16, 2008 @ 6:00 pm
Bad day for the defense team all around today! Nice try Deb, no cigar.
Comment by Karen — October 16, 2008 @ 6:42 pm
Well Deb once again you didnt do a very good job
of research here are the two posts #123 and #124,
where you stated that Todd Black did not say
exactly what was reported truthfully that he DID
say which was in fact that Caylee was dead by
saying in his interview (once again)and I
QUOTE:
“This is a very serious case involving not just the loss of a life of this little girl, but the loss of whatever is going to happen to Casey Anthony.”
END QUOTE
When challenged about this statement he mucked around
on the phone trying to find some excuse which no
one bought and finally came up with that old
chestnut “it was taken out of context”
you would have thought a PR man could have come up
with something less dated than that old saw.
As to your multiple personalities that I believe
is a mental illness = isnt it?
POST #123Geez, Get a grip.
I watched and listened to the whole thing on CNN Headline News. Mr Black did not say that Caylee was dead – he was challenging the former FBI guy (the bald one that is on NG all the time). Anyone who really listened to the whole exchange would have known that he did not say that – it has been taken out of context.
Of course, it seems that things taken our of context is the choice for many. Sorry, but it means absolutely nothing. If you didn’t see it all, listen to it with open ears and mind – then don’t just take some pundits view – maybe look into it and see what it really is.
Comment by Deb — October 16, 2008 @ 2:15 pm
POST #124
Elaine 16 & Karen,
Did you bother to read the full articles – including the press releases – or just enough to get the bit you wanted to run with? I think that it is always better to read to the end – a headline isn’t not the full answer.
Todd Black’s comments were released by CNN in an edited form and without the context. That is sad – but seems to be the CNN Headline News way – I will join others in fighting that with the authorities who have control of the air waves. It is despicable. But, even if they do it, it doesn’t mean we need to throw out misinformation as fact when the other side is there also.
Comment by Deb — October 16, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 16, 2008 @ 7:46 pm
Please, would you all focus on Caylee and what is happening with her family. Who cares about the relationships of 13 people in one house? Second cousin twice removed… PLEASE!!!!!!
Because I have severe hearing loss what I learn about Caylee is from the web. There is something sick and twisted about this whole family, and personally I don’t care hoe many of them end up behind bars. I’m convinced Mommy and Brother should be in the same cell with Casey.
Comment by Marica — October 16, 2008 @ 9:50 pm
Linn/Deb – where do these peoople come from? You have to wonder if they are just simple trolls with way too much time on their hands and way too little self esteem or if they (he/she) is somehow connected with the defense.
For Casey’s sake, I hope it’s the former. I actually do feel pretty sorry for the legal representation Casey is getting. She is very immature, probably not very based in reality (not to mention probably guilty) and should have had some pressure on her to take advantage of the limited immunity deal. I don’t think things can get much worse for her.
Fancy having your legal team tell the media your daughter is dead while having the doubt of an alive Caylee might be the only thing saving you from the electric chair. Wow, you can really tell there that Baez was a DUI lawyer and not someone surrounded by a team of seasoned professionals.
I hope Caseey doesn’t get the death penalty, if only for the sake of her parents. Yes I totally buy that they are delusional, but they are still people with feelings. Well, I’m actually anti-death penalty in general. And I’m also somewhat against lie detector tests. Michael Shermer, the great skeptic has an interesting video on the subject at you tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLL3wtgBiFA
It’s worth considering.
Comment by Karen — October 16, 2008 @ 9:58 pm
Marcia, it is precisely because we care about what has happened to Caylee that we care about what happens on this blog.
You see, somebody is using this tragedy to yank people around by the emotions and get their jollies. Not cool. This is a very real and horrific event and Dawn and I don’t like what is going on. I personally was hoping they’d give out enough info to hang themselves, and that’s what happened.
But I do agree that Caylee is the most important thing here. Absolutely, without argument.
Comment by k — October 16, 2008 @ 10:03 pm
All I care about is finding Caylee.
The Police could control that with all due respect to Tim Miller. Why are they not using their professionals to look further as the water recedes?
Can some loser like me just wander in those areas?
Are they being monitored, roped off or marked in some way?
Why are no dogs continuing to search? Do they have a body?
Once she is found the trial is in the hands of professionals and one sick woman. These professionals will use their skills to the best of their ability and the smarter team will win. Like OJ…
Whoever sells it to the jury wins (nothing to do with the truth).
Scumbag Casey could become a hero in my eyes by telling LE where her daughter is lying. I too am opposed from the death penalty and believe that there is much to learn from her deed. She will have the rest of her life to pay for her merciless act!
Comment by ms — October 16, 2008 @ 10:11 pm
Good evening all!!! Wow!! What a day on here I see!!
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 10:37 pm
86 posts since I last read….War & Peace is shorter….and easier to read!!!
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 10:41 pm
Yikes!! Don’t know what to say about the whole Todd Black thing. Time for a new spokesman I guess! Talk about your all time screw ups!! I do believe the defense still maintains Caylee is alive.
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 10:46 pm
kathi belich said it best: Baez was acting as spokesman for his spokesman today.
Comment by Lou — October 16, 2008 @ 10:49 pm
Rough day Deb? Lol!! Well, whatever the case is with your IP address, I still feel you’ve made alot of excellent points!
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 10:51 pm
Lol! Lou…that is funny!
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 10:52 pm
Hey GLP…You had me checked out?? LMAO!! I’m offended. ….Kidding! In all seriousness, if anyone has any questions as to who I am, go to my myspace. It is my real myspace site. I will provide the link once again.
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 10:55 pm
Here it is…
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=238972100
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 10:58 pm
I will agree that I don’t see anything to make be think the Anthony extended family was involved in Caylee’s death. Cindy called the cops you know. And Lee did want her to come clean and George did tell the cops about the gas cans and Casey not wanting him to see the trunk.
I don’t have any reason to believe this was a family engaging in incest and Casey spending hours at her lawyer’s office isn’t enough for me to accuse anyone of having an affair. Although, if I was playing tit for tat and just for fun I will, I’ll say
“I don’t think Jose Baez — and I certainly hope — that Jose Baez would not take advantage of a sexually promiscuous client to compensate him for his work. So, I’m not going to throw out any accusations. We all know what the situation is, Casey and Jose spending hours and hours alone at his office, and if people want to conclude that, I’ll allow them to do so. But as far as straight up accusations, it is not coming from me.”
Comment by Karen — October 16, 2008 @ 11:01 pm
My god, My Red Sox are getting their ***** handed to them!!
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 11:13 pm
#183
Deb…
Most posters don’t care what others think of them in cyberspace. You seem to think that you can just lecture people on what to say, how to think and how to behave. Cyber control issues in my opinion.
You keep a sacred spot in your writings towards Cindy obviously. IMO Cindy does not need or want your life preserver. She is unable to grasp it at this time regardless.
I have said this before…
Casey is not unlike other sick mothers who have killed a family member! OJ & Peterson were liars too!
What makes this case unique is that the families of OJ & Peterson were not attacking the corageous people doing their jobs (media & police) to find truth and justice.
Cindy is the freak that makes this story sell ratings!
Her response is about spite, redirection and blame! NOT truth, justice, mourning or even a search 4 Caylee!
When people like you try to protect Cindy and her thoughtless acusations you set yourself up for a thoughtless remark in return.
You have the passion of a Defense Attorney and I respect that but sometimes the general consenceus (sp?) is right to respond with the shock and horror of what has happened and how those involded behave.
Comment by ms — October 16, 2008 @ 11:19 pm
Just trying to keep score here..
Majority consensus on this site is:
Casey=BAD
Cindy=Bad
Lee=Bad
George was good but now=Bad
Baez=Horny+Evil
Black=Idiot
Is this correct?
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 11:27 pm
Casey=BAD+evil+horny
Comment by Lou — October 16, 2008 @ 11:30 pm
LMAO!!! Forgot one..
Lee=incestuous+bad
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 11:32 pm
Black=Idiot???
Actually, in his moment of stream of consciousness sputtering, he’s been one of the most refreshing characters of the lot lately!
He’ll probably get fired though and have to change careers entirely. That sort of thing is pretty hard to live down.
Comment by Karen — October 16, 2008 @ 11:35 pm
Please excuse my sense of humor tonight. Not feeling argumentitive. I think by now, everyone here knows where I stand on this subject. Just trying to lighten things up for a moment. Deep down inside, while we all maintain our beliefs and this is a very serious matter, lets not forget, we all are basically on the same side. Little Caylee is/was a precious little angel whom we’ve all come to love and we just want justice.
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 11:36 pm
I’m not so sure he’ll get fired. I think he is the one fronting the money for this defense.
Comment by Lou — October 16, 2008 @ 11:39 pm
Yeah Karen I agree. I think he needs to hang up his spokesman career and look for a new line of work. Politics is probably more his speed. George Bush is president and listen to his mixed up statements!!
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 11:41 pm
anyone know if they will release all the info to the public that they have to release to the defense next week?
Comment by Lou — October 16, 2008 @ 11:55 pm
Not sure on that one Lou. I will research it. Complete discovery is not normally public info. I’m sure Baez will try to get his defense discovery sealed so he can WOW the jury with their explanation.
Comment by Jeff — October 16, 2008 @ 11:59 pm
I’m not even sure the discovery info will be released to baez now that it has become a capital crimes case. I would think Casey will have to obtain lead council before that info is turned over.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 12:01 am
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Hey guys, first of all the pointing finger at politicians is something done all the time – if the politicians can’t take it they need to get out of office. And, for all we know there was political pressure in Orange County.
Cindy is doing what a loving parent does when their child is being accused of something so horrible – living in a state of denial and looking for all other explanations. If it bugs you that she is human then leave her alone. She can only anger you if you let her.
As for finger pointing – she did not point the finger at Zenaida; she only repeated what Casey had told her. We still do not know if there is another Zenaida (it is not that unusual of a name). She did not point a finger and Jesse Grund; she did say that he could have a lot of power over Casey and that she didn’t trust him. She never said he killed Caylee.
As for the police – I think there are places that they have not been totally professional and maybe should apologize – they won’t but Cindy can be as offended as she wants – it doesn’t affect me.
Blame a pizza – well, that is all that was in the trunk. Is it really so much of a stretch that she would blame that when the alternative is so horrible. What would any other grandmother want to believe?
The media has been terrible. Who would not be upset about cameras in their face every time they left the house. There are so many misquotes and poor info in the media. So many innuendos and just plain gossip. They have every right to be angry – I am angry with the media also. Not just about this but about poor and twisted and turned reporting on many issues.
Mr. Nejame may have well worked with Cindy a head of time regarding what to say. She has as much right to speak as we do – she just has the ear of the media and we have the eyes of bloggers. She at least has a personal interest in this whole case – that is more than any of us have.
And as far as Tim Miller – she hasn’t blamed him for anything but disappointing her and changing the focus from what she thought it was to be. She has every right to see things differently.
What does it do to any of us if she is not agreeing with the dead child opinion. She can live in denial all the rest of her life and it isn’t going to hurt me or you one tiny bit.
Comment by Deb — October 15, 2008 @ 9:23 pm
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I think Mike made a fool of himself on CNN Newsline last night. He was overly emotional and defensive. He looked ridiculous and sounded ridiculous for a reporter. He is not supposed to be a shock jock but a reporter of the facts; he was way out of line and I hope he gets disciplined for it by CNN. I think if CNN doesn’t get a handle on their Newsline folks like Mike and Nancy they are going to lose viewers. I will take Anderson Cooper and Wolf Blitzer – but I will never listen to Mike again.
Deb,
This is called “damage control”! You are looking to counter nearly every negative comment on this board related to Cindy!
Hint;
It is never too late to rebuild a bridge 4 Cindy that is. Now that Casey is gone, tell her to tear down the signs, invite the media into her yard for a picnic and start providing the leads she is getting in hopes to earning mutual support.
Tell her to say that I will not give up on the search for a “live” Caylee at this time and I would like your help! I think that it would be understood by anyone for her to say that… I will back my daughter throughout this ordeal like any mother but will no longer comment on her behalf.
Until proven otherwise I would appreciate the aid of the media in following up on any possible Caylee sightings.
Fair enough?
Comment by ms — October 17, 2008 @ 12:04 am
BTW Deb,
The whole everybody finger points at politicians? Cindy? Thats OK? Fingerpointing is OK?
Now Mike, you are embelishing and redirecting conversation to avoid saying the inevitable. Mike did nothing inapropriate? Black was lecturing like you and redirecting and fingerpointing his way around his “goof”!
That was pathetic! Not Mike!
Comment by ms — October 17, 2008 @ 12:09 am
ms,
Unfortunatly, Cindy cannot enlist the aid of the media to follow up on leads provided to her. If there is someone out there that has Caylee, surely they will run and hide at the moment it is publicly broadcasted.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 12:11 am
Deb,
I want to clarify below.
Let me try again…
Now Mike, (meaning you are attacking Mike)
You Deb are embelishing and redirecting conversation to avoid saying the inevitable.
Mike did nothing inapropriate? Black was lecturing like you and redirecting and fingerpointing his way around his “goof”!
That was pathetic! Not Mike!
Comment by ms — October 17, 2008 @ 12:12 am
207.
She sure can! Here is the name and number of the person I passed to LE.
Comment by ms — October 17, 2008 @ 12:14 am
I just don’t buy all these tips to Cindy. If I saw Caylee, I’d be calling 911 not the Anthonys, not even the tip line. 911 and I wouldn’t let the lookalike out of my sight.
Sometimes I think there might be some sick people calling Cindy for the “fun” of it. People do.
Comment by Karen — October 17, 2008 @ 12:16 am
ms,
Picture yourself in this dilema (god forbid).
You have info that says, “such and such was seen with your grand daughter”. Are you really going to give this info to the media? It is like tipping them off. This would probably result in the instantaneous execution of the grand daughter.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 12:18 am
#195 Jeff,
I’d like to think that Glosslip strives to a much more nuanced analysis that what you’ve suggested.
But essentially, yes, at least for me. That’s about right if we were boiling it down to its essence. Although, I can understand Cindy and Lee’s strangeness. They’ve lost one loved one, they don’t want to lose another.
I can’t possibly understand Casey, ever.
Comment by D — October 17, 2008 @ 12:19 am
Karen,
I believe the tips we are talking about are the leads that LE recieved and have been court ordered to be turned over to the defense. So I assume they were 911 calls.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 12:20 am
check this out
http://www.wftv.com/video/17736185/index.html
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 12:24 am
D,
I apologize for the way I put that. I really was just trying to lighten things up after reading what took place here today. I like the debate but don’t really enjoy the anger and accusations posters send towards other posters. While I have been guilty of doing the same, I try to take it back in order to maintain the integrity of the debate. Again, I feel we all just want justice and this is all about Caylee and what little we can do to (by blogging) to help us all try and get our heads around this god awful situation.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 12:25 am
Casey=SOCIOPATHIC KILLER
Cindy=DELUSIONAL ENABLER
Lee= UNKNOWN FOR THE PRESENT
George HONORABLE AND SYMPATHETIC
Baez=INEXPERIENCED BUT ERNEST
Black=INEXPERIENCED AND WILL NOT BE HEARD FROM AGAIN
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 17, 2008 @ 12:33 am
ONE MORE
CAYLEE – NO LONGER LIVING MAY SHE REST IN PEACE
AND MAY HER MEMORY BE ETERNAL
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 17, 2008 @ 12:34 am
This report was from wftv that I just picked up:
Here is the video link: http://www.wftv.com/video/17736185/index.html
Eyewitness Paul Kovach claims to have seen a white Pontiac in late June parked along Boggy Creek Road which is 5 miles from the Anthony home and close to Orlando Airport. He said the woman he thinks was Casey, was wearing a large straw hat and red sunglasses and he saw her emerge from a wooded area carrying a shovel which she placed in her trunk.
He said he is considering organizing a search in the area with his friends. He has already called tip lines but nobody has checked his story. The Sheriff’s office refused to give any information regarding this tip.
There was nothing else anywhere on this.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 17, 2008 @ 12:38 am
Lou,
Intriquing but a little confusing. He states “straw hat and red sunglasses”. I thought she had white sunglasses? 2nd eyewitness says baseball cap. I also have to question the ability to see “walking out with shovel, bumps head on trunk, man fishing well dressed, ect..” all while driving by slowly? Still though, the area should be searched. I will look into this some more and maybe I will put that area on my list as well.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 12:38 am
Jeff,
If it was early june, she didn’t have the white sunglasses yet. she bought those at target in July with Amy’s check. Besides I’m sure she has more that one pair of glasses. in fact, i’ve seen her in three. those dark brown ones, the white one’s and then the prescription glasses she was wearing during her last arrest this week. that 2nd eyewitness that said baseball cap and it would have been mid june when that eyewitness saw her.
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 12:50 am
Does anyone know the date of the target video survelience when casey purchased the white sunglasses?
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 12:50 am
And yes, Jeff, whatever your questions regarding how well he could see all this it is still worth the search.
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 12:52 am
Funny Deb,
That is exactally what Black & Baez think? Over the top & making jokes? I heard no joking at all? That statement about joking was embelished by Baez & Black!
Todds radio response is all over the web. He was redirecting,lecturing the media and fingerpointing his way around the fumble!
Cindy…
I am a novice at the picnic protocal fur sure but think there needs to be a change in her attitude PRONTO now that the “tot mom” is gone! I feel that Cindy should be more humble and appreciative of those who support her and Caylee against the tyranny of others. Caysee in this case!
Comment by ms — October 17, 2008 @ 12:52 am
Thanks Lou, So the only conflict in the report would be straw hat vs baseball cap.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 12:53 am
Unless they were in that area at 2 different times.
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 12:56 am
Unfortuantly Lou, I will have a limited time for searching. I really want to cover the econ trail as thoroughly as possible. In all of this, cell phone pings from that area make the least sense for a girl like Casey at that time. But I will do all I can to extend my stay.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 12:57 am
Lou,
That was awesome! That guy looked drunk on tape. Yeah, how could he see all that if he never got out of the car?
Did she have the shovel long enough to dig, drive, dig then bury? I thought the neighbor said she returned it in an hour?
Where were her parents at this time?
How long do they think she was burried in the yard before being moved?
She only borrowed a shovel once, right?
Comment by ms — October 17, 2008 @ 12:57 am
Why arent the police looking for a body if they think she is dead?
Comment by ms — October 17, 2008 @ 1:00 am
ms- yes she borrowed it once for an hour but if she had help she could have gotten a shovel from somewhere else.
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 1:01 am
Lou,
Do you really think she had help? Alright, don’t get crazy but…
Does Lee wear a suit to work?
Comment by ms — October 17, 2008 @ 1:03 am
The thing that concerns me about eyewitness accounts this late in the game is that every day, I see Caylee. I live in remote Indiana and I cant get the little angel out of my head. Cars pass by and I am looking for car seats and begging to catch a glimpse of her sweet face. I know he reported this sighting early so that gives me some hope. I fear alot in this whole thing. I fear, obviously for Caylee. I fear that the Anthony family will never recover from this. I fear I will never be able to rest until she is found as well as I fear finding her myself. I think the odds of me finding her are very slim but stranger things have happened and regrettably, I have some experience in this.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 1:03 am
Jeff:
I agree with Dawn…we do strive to be nuanced, and we do try to look at all sides of a story (sometimes with more success than others…hey, we’re just human, and we aren’t pretending to be unbiased journalists here).
But also…we are privy to things the average reader is not.
Frankly, I wouldn’t mind so much (I’m an old messageboard hound and I’ve been in my fair share of scraps on them) if it were not a child’s life we are talking about here. When poster A plays mind games with posters B, C, and D, who might taking things extremely seriously and personally (and who perhaps might not be as internet-savvy as the next poster)…that’s what we’re upset about. We don’t do this just to have something to do or because we’re bored or because we have some sort of grudge or axe to grind. Trust me, we’re busy enough, too busy for that sort of game.
We get n00bs all the time who just don’t understand that there are people out there who play tricks on people on messageboards and comment sections just because they can. Not saying that the people involved here are n00bs, but I think a few are perhaps not as versed in things like this. (No offense intended to anyone.)
Like I said, if it were people arguing about which celeb is hotter, I might let it go. But this is a child’s life, and no…sorry.
Comment by k — October 17, 2008 @ 1:03 am
ms- we don’t know what law enforcement is doing. as for your comment “if they thinks she’s dead”, they and the grand jury have presumed her dead.
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 1:04 am
ms 232- i don’t know if she had help. i never thought she did before. all i did was put the latest news out here. just trying to share what i see.
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 1:05 am
jeff what do you mean by “regrettably, i have some experience in this”?
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 1:07 am
I was a firefighter for 7 years and have searched buildings, in rubble and whatnot as well as participated in missing children searches. Mosty urban areas but some wooded as well.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 1:13 am
#238
There you go again! Round the same old mountian! I started to agree with you (like most would on this one) until you push it so far!
Deb,
You are playing with people. You don’t care about Caylee as much as you do your job on this board!
Caylee is NOT alive! Her mother waited 30 days (after killing her) to call the police. The entire world has been on the lookout and she has not been sighted. There is not a person in this world that would be keeping her for this long! Motive?
There is not a mountian, forest, mansion, trailer park or middle class hood for her to captors to hide her!
Deb? Are you joking? You have read many sightings that have never been followed up on?
Start posting them here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, I bet you are concerned about her safety?
Comment by ms — October 17, 2008 @ 1:23 am
Deb,
I have to compliment you. You are the reason this board gets the ratings! Without your rhetoric this strand would be half the size.
Maybe that is why you haven’t been zipped out! Still, I won’t comment on your words again.
Tell your boss I said you do good work! You fight dirty!
Comment by ms — October 17, 2008 @ 1:29 am
Deb,
Lol!! As I said, I live in remote Indiana where a person of your profession would be needed alot more than mine!!!! I am guessing here but I think n00b is Newbee meaning new to blogging/chat ect.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 1:32 am
Jeff, if what you say is true (and I gotta take your word for it, after all, this is teh interwebs), then you have my respect for that. My house caught on fire a couple of years ago and I still am not over it.
Comment by k — October 17, 2008 @ 1:33 am
Jeff, i’m going to try to look through photos that are out there, i think there is a photo out there with cindy wearing a straw hat.
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 1:37 am
K, I am not a firefighter as of now. I was when I lived in New England. Thank you for your kind words. I am sorry to hear about your home. I have never experienced personal loss from fire but I have witnessed plenty of it. I cant imagine losing everything. Memories are so important and most people dont realize the lasting impact fire creates to those who suffer such unfortunate fates.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 1:37 am
Actually Lou, I believe there are photo’s Casey wearing a straw hat as well.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 1:39 am
Well, I’d give up everything in my home and my home itself for my loved ones to be safe.
Homes and things can be replaced.
Comment by k — October 17, 2008 @ 1:52 am
I certainly agree K.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 2:00 am
Deb,
I was incorrect with my understanding of what n00b meant. I have found this in the urban dictionary.
Contrary to the belief of many, a noob/n00b and a newbie/newb are not the same thing. Newbs are those who are new to some task* and are very beginner at it, possibly a little overconfident about it, but they are willing to learn and fix their errors to move out of that stage. n00bs, on the other hand, know little and have no will to learn any more. They expect people to do the work for them and then expect to get praised about it, and make up a unique species of their own.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 2:22 am
I have always used it as a generic catch-all term for anyone who is new to the interwebs, perhaps a bit naive about how things such as messageboards and blogs work. That is how I have always used it and that is how I am using it here. Urban dictionaries aren’t always on the money.
Comment by k — October 17, 2008 @ 3:56 am
Sorry K. Meant no harm. Just was not sure what the actual meaning was. Deb had asked me (post 241) and I was doing my best to answer it.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 8:23 am
Is cool. It’s too early in the morning for this, anyway…I’m barely awake.
Comment by k — October 17, 2008 @ 8:59 am
IP addresses at a house usually come from a pool of IP addresses from one’s internet provider. They are not dedicated to a single user (or house) unless it is specifically set up that way for various reasons. A dedicated IP address costs more and is unlikely to be found in a household, more common for businesses. They are not usually obtained for general run of the mill web surfing.
So, there could be dozens of people who share Deb’s IP address not just the other girls in the house. IP addresses, if not dedicated, sometimes will change due to the way they are assigned and through intermittent usage. Obviously not the case with Deb or Lyn.
One can always do an IP lookup at a whois such as
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp
This might indicate if the IP address is company owned or from a public internet provider. If you care to bother.
Deb’s postings, like Linn’s reek of inauthenticity to me. There is way too much explaining and justifying for the circumstances of continuing to post and at such length.
Why, who knows?
Comment by Karen — October 17, 2008 @ 9:13 am
Deb,
My experience is with the criminal justice system. You jump to a lot of conclusions.
There is an odd dynamic there. I work with lawyers and judges everyday. I did not actaully say they were having an affair (eluded perhaps), but I do not really think that, I just stated that there was and is an odd dynamic there, think what you want.
Your postings sugges to me that you are are not concerned about Caylee at all.
Yes, I believe she is guilty and would sentence her to prison for life.
I understand circumstantial evidence very well, but there is so much, accompanied by scientific evidence that you would have to have blinders on not to see the actuality here.
(I do not work in Florida).
Comment by sharebear — October 17, 2008 @ 9:21 am
I would also like to commend the postings done by Elaine 16. I can see clearly that she is paying close attention to this case and has provided good information to other readers.
Comment by sharebear — October 17, 2008 @ 9:25 am
Well, we don’t make claims like this lightly. Suffice it to say that this has been going on for quite some time.
Comment by k — October 17, 2008 @ 9:31 am
I don`t doubt that Linn and Deb are the same. It’s sort of like all the Casey evidence. While each piece might have some explanation as to why is shouldn’t lead one to conclude homicide of some sort, taken all together it’s highly unlikely that there is some other explanation.
The same IP address coupled with the same MO for the poster, plus what ever other data you have would lead me too to the same conclusion.
I was just explaining IP addresses in general, not making a case for Deb and Linn not being one in the same.
Comment by Karen — October 17, 2008 @ 9:54 am
before I get corrected: I should have written alluded not eluded (that is what CA has been doing,lol). Sorry about that.
Comment by sharebear — October 17, 2008 @ 10:01 am
Well, I was just adding a bit of clarification. Don’t look at me, I’m still half-asleep.
Is it too early for a nap?
Comment by k — October 17, 2008 @ 10:26 am
It’s never too early for a nap!
Comment by Karen — October 17, 2008 @ 10:32 am
Good morning all -Im in california so my time is 3 hours earlier than Eastern. Id like to address
Caylee “sightings”. This is one of the strangest phenomena that is many times experienced when someone
dies or goes missing. Lets talk about Elvis for a minute. It sounds like a joke, but there are still
people who dont believe that Elvis Presley is dead
and they still report seeing him. When questioned they
can give you detailed accounts of what he was wearing,
what he said, where he was, what he was doing, etc.
These people are in ernest. 30 years ago our cat was stolen and my daughter was heartbroken. I put an ad
in the paper offering $100.00 for information. I cannot tell you the people that called me. It wasnt just for the money, people like to insert themselves
into things – maybe from boredom?. One woman told me the most elaborate tale of seeing the cat hit by a car and the aspca coming to pick up the body. This was in 1978 and Ive never forgotton those
strange phone calls of people calling with these fantastic tales about where my lost cat was! I cannot
imagine the weird tips that the Anthony must be getting. But I know human nature and even if Caylee
really was missing, I would say that all the tips
were still probably dead ends. Who would keep this child? Everyone in the world knows about her. They
would simply have left her off somewhere like a hospital or church and taken off. The reality is
that Caylee is dead and that her mother has killed her. Even the defense knows it. Yesterday I got People magazine, there is a huge picture of Caylee
on the cover. Madeline McCann sightings are still
on going. She was the little girl who was taken from
her parents hotel room in Portugal. That was an international case which makes it much harder to pinpoint tips however, there have been many, with people photographing and also in once case even detaining the child in question. Which turned out not to be Maddy. Speaking of photographs – who doesnt have
a cel phone that can take a picture? If you thought you saw Caylee, most people have the capability to
take a fast photo if they think hey see a child that matches Caylee. Why dont they? All the tips that
come in are by phone. They are not CREDIBLE. If you see Caylee you call 911 right there on the spot
you dont wait for that information to take days or weeks to get to LE or the Anthonys. Lets get
realistic -some things can have a logical explanation others cannot. Tips of people seeing Caylee and NOT
calling 911 are just not credible, and that means
all the tips are not credible.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 17, 2008 @ 10:33 am
I have to tell ya, I find the subject matter of this video disturbing.
What is the problem with the billboard? If it makes the man feel better, what place does a protester have boycotting businesses to try and stop them from displaying this sign?
http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=georgeanthony_101620081107&cat=Local&title=George%20Anthony%20Speaks
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 11:16 am
At the very least, the sign keeps local public interest alive and maybe will inspire some people to search the area for Caylee, alive or dead.
If these protesters woould put thier signs down and just search for a body, then they could get thier pont across.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 11:18 am
JEFF #190 – Apparently one can’t be too careful around here! lol Since I am a single mom of a toddler, I don’t have much time to ‘check you out’ so I will just have to take your word that you are who you say you are… not that it matters, I suppose! In any case, I did check out your myspace page, and I was interested to see that you are into photography… you seem to be quite the diversified individual, imho!
In any case, best of luck on your search for Caylee. I hope you find her alive. Naive, maybe, but I am still holding out hope. GOOD LUCK!
God be with little Caylee, wherever she is.
Comment by glp — October 17, 2008 @ 11:34 am
I agree the protesting is out of control. I find nothing wrong with them hanging on to hope, but I do feel Cindy has been way out of line.
People always believe they see a missing a child. There are numerous little girls resembling Caylee. My own included (much older now), My neighbors daughter, a co-workers daughter, etc.
If a person really believes they see Caylee, they should detain that person, take note of license plates, etc. I am sure any valid leads are being checked out.
A lot of people want to help, but you have to keep things in check with appropriate conduct in the process. The protesters at the Anthony home with their own children present, in my mine were nothing short of abusers themselves. That one particular case with the little boy was appalling. These people function at most offenders. I am sure this does not count for all protesters. I believe in appropriate protesting.
Comment by sharebear — October 17, 2008 @ 11:34 am
Oops..typing is not my specialty!! 265…would and point!!!
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 11:35 am
Its ok GLP. No offense taken. Photography is a passion of mine. If only it would pay the bills!!! Sharebear.. I couldn’t agree more in regards to your “appalling” statement. I believe those individuals were investigated for thier own misconduct in the presence of a child!
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 11:41 am
Here from Fox 35 are the dates of Casey Anthony’s
court appearances. I cannot understand why they didnt drop child neglect. I thought if she is indicted
for murder that they would drop neglect. Any thoughts on this?
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) –Casey Anthony will be making two court appearances within a week of each other. She will return to court for her arraignment on her First degree murdercharge and then again a few days later for a pre-trial hearing in the child neglect and check fraud case.
On Tuesday October 28, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. Anthony will appear before Circuit Judge Stan Strickland for arraignment in the First Degree Murder Case.
She will return to court on November 5, 2008 at 9:00 a.m. for the child neglect and check fraud cases. Circuit Judge Stan Strickland will also handle that appearance
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 17, 2008 @ 11:58 am
Elaine,
I had just read the article myself and question the very same thing. Could be mistake unless…..The child neglect is a family court matter and the 1st degree murder is a superior court matter. In cases like this, they can be tried in both.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 12:02 pm
Usually, other related case are not dropped until a plea agreement is made or if she would be convicted on a more severe charge.
Comment by sharebear — October 17, 2008 @ 12:17 pm
And yes, they can both be tried.
Comment by sharebear — October 17, 2008 @ 12:18 pm
Associated Press reported a few hours ago on the size six dress found and how investigators are testing it. I thought this was old news? Are they just slow to report (AP) or is their something new here that I’m just not seeing?
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 12:24 pm
Correction to post 274:
Floridatoday.com posted this article 4 hours ago getting the story from AP.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 12:28 pm
I think on the dress its old news. However, the dress
that Cindy held up on the Today show was black and
red – the dress that was reportedly found was blue.
Still, the dress was reportedly intact and many believe it was planted. Just as the Caylee “sightings”
are reported – I believe that there will now be
Casey “sightings” as well, of people seeing her coming out of that swampy area near the Orlando Airport in varous outfits. Human nature, everyone
wants their 15 minutes of fame.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 17, 2008 @ 1:10 pm
Two men posing as police officers kidnapped a 6-year-old boy in a drug dispute after entering his family’s home and tying up his mother and her boyfriend, police said Thursday. The above story pertains
to Cole Puffenburger a 6 years old kidnapped
from his parents home in Vegas a day or so ago.
This is a definite drug deal gone bad – there is reportedly 18 to 20 MILLION dollars that has
been laundered for a drug cartel in Mexico and not
given to them. They crossed the border from Mexico
into the U.S. and ended up kidnapping this child
to ransom or force his parents or other relatives
to give up the money.
I bring this case up to show that when there is money owed to drug people that these people dont fool around. In no way does this scenario fit Caylee’s
case at all. Many people speculated about a drug
deal gone bad with Casey. You can see from the Cole Puffenburger case that when drugs are involved the
authorities are aware of it almost immediately and that the kidnappers act in a bold and public manner.
An Amber Alert was expanded nationwide as police searched for Cole Puffinburger, who was taken Wednesday, police said.
There is a definite “drug nexus,” Las Vegas Police Capt. Vincent Cannito said at a news conference Thursday. “Significant money and drugs” were involved, he said, but would not provide more details.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 17, 2008 @ 1:24 pm
k – regarding the above post – I would say what I think about it, but I dont use that kind of language
in public.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 17, 2008 @ 2:38 pm
haha, what about bleh!!!
Comment by Karen — October 17, 2008 @ 2:51 pm
ok thats good – and so is UGH!
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 17, 2008 @ 3:06 pm
I think this little editorial that I got from the scared monkeys website is valuable in its opinion
about free speech and trying to spin what people think
about the Casey Anthony case. (www.scaredmonkeys.com
Quote:
The Casey Anthony spin machine and those that make excuses for her can learn a valuable lesson from this CNN Headline News interview. You do not control free speech nor tell people what they can say or think. The idea that spokesman Black thinks he can demand CNN to wait and listen is ridiculous. Folks, no one believe your BS and no one is going to back down when the very people making threats cannot even get their story correct on their client. People are allowed to their opinion on this case. Black stated:
This is a very serious case, involving not just the loss of the life of this little girl but the loss of .. of whatever is going to happen to Casey Anthony
end statement
Make no mistake about it, spokesman Todd Black went on a live TV show, Headline News, and uttered the comments that the little girl (Caylee Anthony) had lost her life. CNN has stated that the interview was not edited nor taken out of context.
The controversial Headline News interview of Todd Black, in which the spokesman for Jose Baez implied Caylee Marie Anthony is dead, was not edited, according to CNN. The telephone interview aired live Tuesday night, and a shortened clip of the interview replayed Wednesday.
“It was a live interview and the quote aired as he said it,” a CNN spokeswoman said.
All anyone has to do is listen and watch the interview for themselves. Casey Anthony defense attorney Jose Baez can attempt to do all the damage control he wants and say after the fact that Caylee Anthony is still alive but the fact of the matter is that your PR person made the blunder. Nothing was taken out of context during the interview with Todd Black. However, much like everything that involves the case of missing Caylee Anthony, the mountain of evidence against Casey Anthony and her repeated refusal to cooperate with police … it is always someone else’s fault when it comes to anything having to do with Casey’s actions.
Late Thursday the Baez Law Firm issued a statement regarding the Todd Black comment. It is pretty bad when a lawyer representing an individual indicted for murder and lying to police has to make a statement for their very PR spin doctor who is supposed to fabricate a story favorable to Baez’s client. As the Baez PR team learned, its hard to spin a story when one deals with so may lies from their client.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 17, 2008 @ 4:00 pm
Nice find Elaine,
Sums up the truth!
Comment by ms — October 17, 2008 @ 5:42 pm
Great News – From Investigation Discovery
Breaking News : Caylee Anthony Search Set to Resume
Texas EquuSearch has announced that they will resume the search for Casey Anthony’s missing 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony, on Nov. 8. According to Tim Miller, founder and director of the organization, it will be the “biggest search in history.”
In related news, Leonard Padilla has sought out the aide of bounty hunters from around the United States, who are now planning on coming to Orlando to help out in the search effort.
Investigation Discovery will also be back on the scene in Orlando, bringing you all the latest details.
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 6:12 pm
Elaine,
The Cole Puffinburger case is extrodinarily odd. My guess is while the kidnapping is in a sense, drug related, I don’t feel it was actually the work of the cartel. Child kidnappings are not affective in retrieving embessled money. It only hurts their business with all the attention. Anomymity is probably their largest expense and Kindnapping an american child is not cost effective. Most likely someone working for the cartel tring to cash in on their name. As far as Todd Black goes, I listend to the whole interview and he said it. No argument there. I don’t feel the Baez camp thinks she is dead. I don’t think Todd Black is in the know in anyway other than what Baez orders him to say. I think Black screwed up but I can’t see how this changes things.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 7:12 pm
Well, I do think Todd Black thinks she’s dead!
I absolutely did not take what I wanted and run with it. Todd said her life was taken, plain and simple.
Spinning can only go so far before people start to laugh.
Comment by Karen — October 17, 2008 @ 7:22 pm
Lou..Great news about Tim and Equusearch. Could care less about Padilla unless he is calling all bounty hunters to search for a live Caylee. I think that is thier specialty. Leave the body search to Tim.
Comment by Jeff — October 17, 2008 @ 7:28 pm
Sorry, but it just doesnt wash. Todd Black is being
paid by someone (hes not in this for publicity because no one knows who he is and anything about him and he refuses to be photographed or come out into the public eye, therefore hes a frontman for some other entity) and he is also a mouthpiece for Baez.
It was a slip all right, but I believe that Black, Baez and the Anthony family are very well aware that
Caylee is dead. This pretense is strictly for the papers, as they say. Today Casey pleaded not guilty
to all charges. Possibly if she is facing death
she might do a plea deal to a lessor charge. My personal belief is that they wont go for the death
penalty but will string it out as long as possible
to put pressure on her. All you have to do is take
a look at Casey’s face. She has dug herself in a hole
and she isnt coming out. That girl is like a stubborn
mule – she told her fake story and is sticking to it.
Maybe it has served her in the past. She operated
this way so long, lying and getting away with it,
could it be that she is delusional enough to believe
that she will get off? Ive seen this type of liar
before, you confront them and they just tell another lie and another and another. They NEVER admit the truth. Frankly, I believe that they are incapable
of telling the truth. They cannot do it. Its some
kind of psychological thing with them. She will
never tell the truth – never. She told at least
three different stories as to what happened to Caylee.
Having said that I do believe she is capable of thinking up another lie about some kind of accident and possibly using that for a plea. That I could see her doing, the problem is – who would believe it?
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 17, 2008 @ 7:31 pm
Jeff as for “I don’t think Todd Black is in the know in anyway other than what Baez orders him to say”. He may not be in the know but i’m sure he has an opinion that just slipped out.
Elaine- i read some disturbing stuff in wordpress today about other evidence they have collected. have you read it?
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 7:57 pm
To Lou 289- Where do I go to read about the other evidence collected?
Comment by Anniray — October 17, 2008 @ 8:49 pm
Anniray- I got it from myfoxorlando.com blog. this is what it said:
“On the inside of the plastic bag was stale pizza, and arm & hammer.
On the outside there was, insect infestation, & body evidence.
Other items taken from the trunk as well had body evidence.
RS was also right about the charge aggravated neglect staying on the table, I posted on my blog how it is different than a charge of neglect or abuse.
As to where this info came from, I believe I explained early on that because I am in the process of laying out the outline of this case to do a book I would be contacting people involved with the case, this is what I have been doing.
This info came from someone working the case as an investigator he is retired FBI working with a private entity, because a private entity is not bound by the same limitations as LE, he was able to do things state agency’s would be bound by law to avoid. he is credible and still held in high regard by LE.
Hair & Body evidence from two locations in the back yard – the car trunk – and other areas infinitely show 11 days of body decomp, – they show chloroform & Xanax .
The photos are very explicit and prove a time line of these activities dating an extended time period before Caylee’s disappearance.
They have testimony from people that state full knowledge of the habit of dosing the child to knock her out.
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 9:20 pm
According to the poster at http://community.myfoxorlando.com/blogs/WOFL/2008/08/04/The_Search_for_Caylee_Anthony?page_no=6905 who got it from wordpress. I can’t find the link that they put there for wordpress.
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 9:25 pm
I couldn’t see the link either but there were pages and pages to look through. Still a wordpress blog is something anyone can put up so, I’ll just wait and see if this comes up from verifiable sources.
Maybe LE does have some reason to go for 1st degree murder. Even though I’d say Casey is probably guilty of homicide, I’d need way more evidence for premeditated murder. Maybe they have it. Time will tell.
Comment by Karen — October 17, 2008 @ 10:00 pm
That blog said they had photos of drug fuelled orgies with Casey with Caylee in the background looking dazed.
Still, I’d need a better source. Early on I saw a blog with a link to a video of “Caylee’s father” and there was this young guy chatting about being her dad and Casey being hot but he didn`t think that Casey could kill Caylee. That never surfaced in any credible reports.
Plus, Sharon Tate had all sorts of stuff said about that horrible crime that didn’t pan out.
This might be true, but hard to say. Thanks for sharing Lou.
Comment by Karen — October 17, 2008 @ 10:10 pm
Yes Lou, I read wordpress.com on Casey every day
as well as several other sights. There is a lot of
interesting info on that site as well as investigation discovery and missing and abducted.
They were giving this guy who says he saw Casey a lot of play on NG today. One question, if these two guys
say they didnt slow down or stop, how did they see
the black bra in the white car? Where was the black bra? This is the first I have ever heard of it
anyone know anything about it? Anyway, this guy that
gave the interview about seeing Casey, I dont know,
to me he didnt seem very credible. He seemed a little
odd, one of those guys right on the edge of making a living type of impressions is what I got. Anyone
else have any thoughts? I think Jeff posted he thought
he had been drinking?? And where was he all this time? why didnt he ever surface before now?
I originally heard this about the trash bag on NG
from Padilla who apparently has some sheriff office
insider info. He says the bag was tossed over a fence
near the dumpster at the car lot by one of the towcar
guys. A policeman noticed and jumped over the fence
and retrieved the bag. The bag had moldy pizza inside
but the outside of the bag had maggots on it and some
kind of fluid which might contain DNA. So far, no one
else has said anything about this find. Again no confirmation except what Padilla says. I did see
some photos on wordpress.com’s website that showed
some pictures of Casey with some guy full of tattoos.
She hung around with some strange people. Also on wordpress is something about Tony Lazzarros testimony not quite checking out. Padilla too has brought up
the point about Casey staying at Tony’s the night
before and then picking her up at where the car
ran out of gas. Apparently there is some time
discrepancy there. There is also talk lately that
someone else might be involved in helping Casey
get rid of the body – again just talk nothing concrete.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 17, 2008 @ 10:10 pm
I dont believe the drug fueled orgies and a dazed
Caylee for a minute. Photos like that would be
worth thousands of dollars from a tabloid and would have been sold by now
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 17, 2008 @ 10:14 pm
elaine- the black bra they are referring to is that black thing over the headlights across the front of the car. not literally a bra that we women wear.
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 10:14 pm
maybe they are the photos casey tried to delete off her computer. what they found in the computer.
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 10:16 pm
elaine that story about the trash bag is absolutely true. it’s in the simon birch transcript from june 30th. here’s a link. http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608simonburch/1/lg/Simon_Burch_Page_01.htm
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 10:19 pm
thanks Lou, Ill check out that link on myfoxorlando.
So thats what they were talking about when they said
a bra. Boy you really do learn something new every day!
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 17, 2008 @ 10:22 pm
elaine – obviously the only thing they have not disclosed is what forensic evidence was in/on the bag. that is why i find a little bit believeable about there being evidence on that trashbag.
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 10:25 pm
I just re-read Simon Burchs testimony from the tow yard. It interesting, but he only “think”s he remembers a pizza box. At the time he was interviewed I think he might have heard the story of the pizza in the trunk? could that be? I dont think
he definitively remembers the pizza – he says a bag
that had a lot of papers in it, and maybe a pizza box
but with flies on the outside of the bag. Blow flies
they come from a body.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 17, 2008 @ 10:34 pm
yeah, could be that he heard about the pizza and maybe the pizza wasn’t in the trunk in the bag. only law enforcement knows what was in that bag. Cindy for sure doesn’t know what was in that bag. as karen says……… time will tell.
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 10:42 pm
elaine- i’ve heard from myfoxorland blog that tony had taken a lie detector and passed it. they’ve also been discussing the help she had and most seem to think it was Lee.
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 10:57 pm
Lee, in a moment when he thought he wasn’t being observed, the first jail phone call with Casey, seemed to be telling her to come clean. I seriously doubt that Lee was involved in getting rid of a body.
Now that the seriousness of the crime has hit, maybe he is protecting his sister but I don’t buy the theory that he was involved in hiding a body. I just don’t.
Comment by Karen — October 17, 2008 @ 11:05 pm
karen- i dont really believe it was lee either just like i don’t believe he is caylee’s father. some of the stuff out there is crazy – i just wanted to share what i read in other blogs. i don’t think tony or jesse helped her either. i actually think she acted alone and she alone knows her secret. i do think that cindy knows deep in her heart that casey is guilty of something.
Comment by Lou — October 17, 2008 @ 11:23 pm
#306
Lou,
I am in the exact school of thought. I think Lee knows and wanted her to come clean but did not aid her. That is why he is against a polygraph. I think Lee shared the info with both Cindy & George which is why they are not taking ie detectors. Now they are allowing the process unfold by the attorneys.
Now, my question is…
Can LE further question all 3 on their knowledge of the case? Can the prosecution call all three up at trial to ask if they know the truth?
Would they purge themselves under oath if they did know?
Can they bring them in for questioning in advance?
Comment by ms — October 18, 2008 @ 12:17 am
My understanding of the law, and I surely can stand to be corrected, is that only spouses are exempt from testifying against their spouses. Lee, Cindy, George can all be COMPELLED to testify against Casey.
This is an issue for gay marriage actually. Sorry for the tangent. But it is true.
Personally, I think that the rest of the Anthony family has done the best that they could do under the circumstances. There is a problem with denial and a lack of holding people, namely Casey, responsible for her actions. But on the whole, I think these people are very decent, but caught up in a terrible tragedy that is only partly of their own doing.
That counselor who allegedly told Cindy to throw Casey out, well, I suggest it is high time for Cindy to see her again. Tough love is what it is, it`s tough, and caving in to delusions isn’t part of the definition.
Comment by Karen — October 18, 2008 @ 12:55 am
Ya, know….The debates here are interesting and have gone on for some time. I believe the debates will continue to go on for some time as long as this case is still pending. I have maintained my position right from the beginning that in THIS case, they will need a body for a solid conviction. I have no real opinion as to guilty or innocent as of yet. (That is in the charge of murder) Most of you maintain Casey is guilty of murder. This is fine. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But we must remember, opinions are not facts, and facts are what will form a verdict. A verdict that 100% of the jury must agree on. If Casey is guilty of murder, I want the whole 9 yards thrown at her. If she is guilty but walks due to a loophole or questionable evidence, this will be a complete disgrace to Caylee, the Anthony family, the united states judiciary system, and all of us who care so much about the outcome of this case. Again, my belief is she has a strong chance of walking without a body. I think I can show everyone here how. I propose we conduct a mock trial. I know this sounds difficult but I think we all care enough to try and maintain the integrity of it. Any thoughts to this???
Comment by Jeff — October 18, 2008 @ 1:02 am
Obviously, this will not prove Casey’s innocence or guilt. It is an attempt to show us all the potential for her to walk over evidence that has been provided to us.
Comment by Jeff — October 18, 2008 @ 1:08 am
hmm???
Comment by Jeff — October 18, 2008 @ 2:11 am
Casey IS guilty! Guilty of withholding truth.
She has lied for so long that I suspect she would pass a lie detector test. People who are habitual liars, probably don’t lie just to lie, but because that is what falls out of their mouths. Once they have told a story a few times, it probably becomes fact to them.
The chloroform issue bothers me. That would indicate intent. I have long felt what happened to Caylee was an accident. With the indications of a drug and chloroform what else can anyone think but murder.I doubt she had physical help, but suspect that by now someone KNOWS whatever is Casey’s story. I find it very strange that Caylee’s father has never been identified. Something about that nags at my mind.
Many have expressed how difficult it would be to believe your child of such a horrific crime. I can assure you that if this was my child and grandchild, I would be at the side of the grandchild. A child of mine harms one of their own, this Mom isn’t gonna hold their hand and weep huge tears and proclaim innocence.
Comment by Marica — October 18, 2008 @ 2:47 am
Marcia,marcia,marcia,
There have been no indications of a drug. They have found traces of chloroform. I dont think one can say how they would react in Cindy’s situation. Ya really have to walk a mile in her shoes first. Lets hope that never happens.
Comment by Jeff — October 18, 2008 @ 3:02 am
The mock trial thing won’t work because we’d end up with Deb and Linn and all her aliases on the jury!!! Or the opposite. Well, I`m sure a mock trial won’t make it past jury selection.
Plus, we don’t have evidence to work with.
As for drugs, I believe Amy said Casey had been smoking much more pot and there was in the evidence comments from Casey’s friends of Caylee looking dazed at times during parties where she seemed to sleep through more noise than thought normally possible.
Maybe this was the beginning of the orgy parties story. The only thing is, the witnesses were much more tame in their description.
I think Xanax also was in the evidence somewhere if I recall.
Comment by Karen — October 18, 2008 @ 9:36 am
http://www.thelaw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=478
This post has a question “Testifying against a spouse or family member
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I am wondering what the law is for a family member to testify against another family member. I thought that there was some kind of law that states that, even if I know, for example, my father murdered someone that unless I choose to testify against him that I do not have to. Seems to me that there is a legal term for this but I cannot think what it is, if there is. Please help me.”
And the reply is – “The legal term is called “privilege” or privileged communication. This is granted only under certain conditions when the sanctity of the communication is necessary for the function of society. It is dealt with under the rules of Evidence. The Federal Rule is number 501 and states have their own rules but it is doubtful that you would have such a privilege, especially since the act you witnessed was not a “communication” that would be private. Some well known privileges are, per 501:
- The Executive Privileges.
- The Attorney-Client Privilege.
- The Privilege for Marital Communications.
- The Physician-Patient Privilege.
- The Priest-Penitent Privilege.
The function of society would be disrupted if these people were called to testify what others told them in confidence. How could a person on trial for a crime tell his lawyer the full story for his defense if his lawyer could be called to the stand to testify what his client told him in confidence? No trust would exist. It would seem doubtful that you have such a privilege given the facts you list.”
Comment by Karen — October 18, 2008 @ 10:25 am
I believe that they will call George and Lee Anthony to the stand, but not Cindy. If they were to call
Lee and Cindy they would become involuntary or
reluctant witnesses. They still of course, have to
tell the truth or would be cited for perjury if
proved that they lied. I suppose they call mothers
to testify against their children. The only one
exempt as pointed out above is your spouse. I still believe this thing isnt going to go to trial. Even
if they dont charge Casey with the death penalty
as punishment, she still could get life in prison,
but if she can convince them it was an accident
and take a plea deal, on an involuntary manslaughter
she would get probably 15 years to life and with
good behavior get out in 10 years. Of course, there
are also the fraud charges but they wouldnt
bring her much more time and the child neglect
could be dropped. This is the only way to go. Sorry
but there isnt a chance at all for her to get off.
I think the forensics are way too strong. We dont know
of them yet, but when you have the FBI involved
and also the Body Farm testimony, you have to assume
there are strong forensics. Also as an aside, if you like mystery stories – check out the books written
together by Dr Bill Bass and Jon Jefferson. Both
are forensic pathologists who work at the Body Farm
and have taken to writing fictional mystery stories.
I have read them all and they are full of interesting
facts as well as a good mystery. There is absolutely
no excuse that Casey can now give that would be deemed credible for Caylee to have gone missing as she has. She wont go to trial for murder for probably
at least 5 months. Caylee wont have turned up by then
and any evidence of tips will HAVE to be discarded
as nothing concrete have come of them after such
a long time. Therefore, the jury will have to conclude that Caylee is dead, along with the forensics and the fact that no reasonable explanation
of where Caylee is along with Caseys repeated lying
to the police – an voila – conviction. The defense
is INSANE to let this go to trial. Lets go on the assumption that Caylee wont be found by the time
of the trial alive or dead and then try to make
a case for her not getting convicted, if you like.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 18, 2008 @ 11:04 am
“I propose we conduct a mock trial.”
I propose that you have WAY to much time on your hands and a disturbing fascination with this case.
Comment by Rachel — October 18, 2008 @ 11:31 am
Rachel, that was my first thought too. But,then I thought, what luxury, to have so much time.
I should be working on coding instead of looking at this, but it is a nice diversion when one has to sit at a computer so long.
There is a morbid fascination I agree, even on my part. I think the facts of the case are just surreal. I know I’m not alone, last night at Costco in the frozen foods section, two strangers were talking about it.
Oh well…………
Comment by Karen — October 18, 2008 @ 12:00 pm
Everyone loves a mystery – and thats no cliche.
Its an exercise for the mind, and also you actually
learn a lot. Just on this website alone we have had
people post information about personality disorders,
grand jurys, forensics, and other interesting related subjects. All knowledge is a good thing. Today
I saw the father of Cole Puffenburger the little 6 year old boy who was kidnapped, interviewed. This
was a large guy, with tattoos all over and kind of tough looking – and the emotion in his face when he
talked about getting his son back was so REAL! The
tears in his eyes, the expression on his face, you really felt and saw his true feelings about his son immediately. When he talked about just getting his son
back he could barely get it out. This is how a truly
caring parent reacts. Not that cold calculating Casey when she was first arrested with that smile on her face looking for all the world like she was being
brought in to have a cup of coffee. Or when she talked to her mother in that recorded jail house
session about how she had been arrested on a WHIM.
Or the the profane manner she spoke to her Mother and her friend Christina saying it was a WASTE of time to have contacted them. We have FORGOTTEN when confronted with so much spin and obstruction by Baez and Cindy what real emotions are like in a case of a missing child.
Its been a while since we have actually seen someone on TV that has lost a child and the pleading look and genuine emotion that comes when that child is truly missing. Contrast that now with the Anthony case
and you can see dramatically what the difference is
between a truly innocent parent and a guilty one.
Casey didnt even try to pretend to be upset. That
is the most amazing part of this whole thing. The only
time she has cried is when SHE was going back to jail.
Of course people are going to be interested, I am
because its so obvious she is guilty. But the lies
and obstructions put out by her spokesman, attorney
and family have helped to create doubt in a case
where there should be no doubt. Its open and shut
in my estimation.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 18, 2008 @ 12:29 pm
Jeff – if we’ve gotten to the patt of the “mock trial” where we’re deliberating a verdict my vote is………. GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY!
Comment by Lou — October 18, 2008 @ 1:00 pm
Jeff, me too, guilty!
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 18, 2008 @ 1:16 pm
Lol!!! Just finished reading the responses to my “mock trial” post. I was really more interested in forming a “trial like” environment to hear each piece of current evidence and put it to the test. I am trying to qualify media reports, statements here, other blog sites, as well as just good old fasioned rumors. It is a way to weed out the crap and see the facts. If we were to take a piece of evidence and FORMALY run it through the gauntlet of doubt and belief, suddenly this piece becomes fact, or not fact here and can be used in further arguments. It becomes unchallengable or concrete. Now an argument that uses that here is that much more powerful. But thats ok, I just figured I would throw it out there.
Comment by Jeff — October 18, 2008 @ 1:34 pm
Post 317:
I think alot of folks are disturbingly interested in this case. As for me, it started as research for a fiction novel I am working on. It has become much, much more to me since then. I do have alot of time on my hands. I moved from Foxboro mass out here to Southern Indiana with my job. Job is done, nothing to do now but write. I think it is fair to say that most of us in one way or another have fallen for this beautiful little girl. I’m not the type of guy to turn his back on a child in need. Caylee is either alive or dead but in either case, she is still a child in need. My fiance and I will be visiting her parents in near orlando and will be searching for Caylee as well. I think if anyone out there is fortunate enough to have the kind of time on thier hands like I do and has an interest in this case, should make an effort as well to search. Now is that “disturbing”?
Comment by Jeff — October 18, 2008 @ 1:51 pm
Responding to Jeff 313: I read there was indication of XANAX found along with chloroform. Don’t recall where, but yep.. that is a drug and a nasty one. ESPECIALLY if given to a child.
A quarter mg of the stuff (can) knock a full grown person out in 15 minutes. I have personally taken the stuff and know the power of it.
Maybe I should have called Xanax a medication rather than a drug. Sorry about that.
Comment by Marica — October 18, 2008 @ 6:00 pm
Responding to Jeff 313:
Jeff, I have been in a situation where a child of mine has done wrong, and I did just as I said earlier. I didn’t deny his guilt. Broke my heart to see my 12 year old son locked up in county jail, dressed in the smallest size orange jump suit and he had to roll the pant legs and arms up to make it fit. But, I shed no tears, didn’t hold his hand and told him, you got yourself in this mess, you get yourself out. He was charged with serious crimes, of which he was guilty.
NO I didn’t wanna believe it, but it was true. Today, my son is 43 years old, and independent owner operator trucking under his own authority, and a law respecting individual.
So YES… I CAN say what I would do in Cindy’s situation. I raised my children the way I was raised. TRUTH, RESPECT,& HONOR. Do the crime, Do the time.
Hard ass. probably. I wouldn’t love my children any less, but after all, they are adults now, and if they are so stupid as to commit a crime, then they know they will not get Mommy’s support.
NO doubt that Cindy has covered for her daughter many times, therefore no doubt that Casey lies and knows Mommy will stand by her. I don’t mean to sound as though I am attacking you Jeff, just want you to know that what I have said isn’t off the top of my head.
By the way, I too have been involved in searches for missing children. Wading waist deep water with a pitch fork looking for the remains. THAT, is not an easy task.
Comment by Marica — October 18, 2008 @ 6:20 pm
Responding to K 181:
K, My message was intended for the person who went into detail about the residents of the house. I couldn’t believe this individual went so far as to include one person was a “cousin twice removed”. THAT was to what I said.. “WHO CARES”
I do understand the disgust others feel when one pretends to be many in order to blat on and on with his or her opinions. Sorry I didn’t make myself clear on that point.
Comment by Marica — October 18, 2008 @ 6:28 pm
Marcia 325- the one thing that really bothers me about cindy is she clearly says in the 911 call that she wants to prosecute casey for grand theft auto and for stealing money from her. then they arrest casey and she’s acting like casey has done nothing wrong. and that is why casey is as she is.
i too have young adult children (all girls) and they no that i won’t tolerate bad behavior and they know that if they get into trouble they are going to have to get themselves out. that is why i can’t see how Cindy allows it to keep happening even at 22 years of age.
Comment by Lou — October 18, 2008 @ 7:56 pm
Is everyone keeping up with the Cole Puffinburger case? I know you are elaine.
Comment by Lou — October 18, 2008 @ 7:57 pm
Sorry Marica – i just noticed it’s not Marcia.
Comment by Lou — October 18, 2008 @ 7:59 pm
i’ve just been reading about the cole puffinburger case. His grandfather is giving up all kinds of information on who could have possibly taken his grandson and there are millions of dollaars involved in this case. Just don’t understand how casey can remain silent. There is just no scenario out there that could make anybody say “now i understand”.
Comment by Lou — October 18, 2008 @ 8:15 pm
I wonder why Baez hasnt put in for a speedy trial?
Buying for time maybe but for the “why” is beyond me. Read in one of the tabloids today that
there is a lot more forensic evidence than we know about. I am keeping up with the case of Cole Puffenburger. I know Jeff doesnt believe a cartel
is involved but it sounds like a pretty heavy “gang”
then (if you dont want to use the word cartel)
involved with millions of dollars in drug money.
I hope this innocent child is returned safely.
One other thing about Tony Lazzaro Lou mentioned
he passed a lie detector test and you are correct
Lou, he did. Padilla suspects him in some complicity
I think in getting rid of the body but could he
have been involved and beat a lie detector?
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 18, 2008 @ 8:30 pm
Elaine,
My thoughts on ole Puffinburger are that collectors for the cartel are acting on their own by abducting cole. I dont think that the cartel would authorize that kind of action.
Comment by Jeff — October 18, 2008 @ 8:52 pm
There goes my typing again..
Comment by Jeff — October 18, 2008 @ 8:54 pm
What about the mexican mafia? I know they are big distributers of methamphetamine. I am not really sure how they differ from the cartel, but I believe there are some differences.
Comment by sharebear — October 18, 2008 @ 9:27 pm
Back to Caylee-interestingly, Zanny is a street name for Xanax.
Comment by sharebear — October 18, 2008 @ 9:28 pm
There’s a story @ orlandosentinel.com about Padilla joining the search for Caylee.
Bounty hunter Leonard Padilla will assist Texas Equusearch conduct its search for Caylee Marie Anthony, who disappeared earlier this year when she was 2 years old.
Mandy Albritton, search director for EquuSearch, told the Orlando Sentinel on Saturday that the California-based bounty hunter will join the group when it returns to Orlando on Nov. 8.
Padilla has organized a group of other bounty hunters who are going to join in the search and have also help raise money to finance it. Equusearch is going to train the bounty hunters to be search team leader, Albritton said.
Earlier, EquuSearch organizers said it will determine later where the command center will be, Albritton said. The group suspended its search last month because the high water levels caused by Tropical Storm Fay prevented a thorough examination of the search areas — many of which were areas of thick brush and woods in east Orange County near the Anthony family home.
I have to say that I couldn’t stand Padilla when he helped bail casey out but since then he has really really grown on me.
Comment by Lou — October 18, 2008 @ 9:55 pm
Doesn’t anyone else wonder who Caylee’s father is, and why this subject is unanswered? Is there reason for family to not want discovery of Caylee’s remains?
I keep thinking there is something (link) missing in this whole affair by the secretiveness of the fathers identity.
Lou… no big deal about the error.. happens all of the time. Am used to it.
I have a grand child who looked very much like Caylee, so this child reaches out and holds my heart.
My little one is grown up now, age 18. She still has those big brown eyes and pretty brown hair.
Guess that is why I want to know where she is and what happened to her.
Comment by Marica — October 18, 2008 @ 10:14 pm
Marica – i have a 3 year old grand daughter that looks just like her which i guess is why Caylee grabbed a huge hold of my heart. My granddaughter was even sitting by me when i was on this site and saw the picture of Caylee and she said “Look at me, i’m on the computer”. That’s how much she looks like Caylee. I hold her so much closer and spend much more time with her now.
Comment by Lou — October 18, 2008 @ 10:19 pm
Marcia,
I agree with some missing links…
The father? Both Cindy & Caylee when addressed skirt the issue.
Also, The Zenida Gonzales apartment visit? That is a big mystery still. How did Caylee know without showing her face and communicating to Zenida on that day or someone who did?
Can’t be a coincidence can it?
Comment by ms — October 18, 2008 @ 10:26 pm
Also the report on the sighting from Paul Kovach is interesting. He reported this early on and said that he was “trolling” for scrap metal. I could see the truck moving at a slow enough speed when on the grass to notice what he claims.
Comment by ms — October 18, 2008 @ 10:32 pm
I think Casey had a friend at those apartments, whom she happened to visit that same day that the real Zenida looked at that apt. I think she took note of that name, as she had used “Zanny as an excuse in the past (which may have been a Xanax induced coma of sorts). Then the whole story transpired after Cindy found her and took her home 07/15/08. From what I understand she also searched that name prior to the police coming to the house.
Comment by sharebear — October 18, 2008 @ 10:33 pm
Marica and Lou,
I too have a daughter looking so much like little Caylee, in the picture of her hands by her cheek/under chin, wearing pink. That caught my eye and I have been captivated since.
I case there are lot of beautiful little girls out there. Mine of course is turning 28 now, but that first notice of her being a missing person made me shiver.
Comment by sharebear — October 18, 2008 @ 10:36 pm
Personally, I think he (Paul K.) sounded very honest and sincere in his report, but I wonder since Casey was reportedly putting that bag in her trunk, was Caylee still in the bag or did she find a spot for it.
I think she was searching for a spot for some time.
And if the guy who appeared to be fishing was on the phone with her, perhaps she came back to the car and left the area without actually leaving the body in that locations.
Also, that date would coincide with what LP was predicting as the timeframe she had disposed of the body.
Comment by sharebear — October 18, 2008 @ 10:41 pm
Apparently, I need to start previewing my postings. I appear to making a lot of mistakes in my typing. I guess I should leave now. Sorry about the typo’s, but I think you can figure out what I mean.
Comment by sharebear — October 18, 2008 @ 10:45 pm
Responding to Sharebear # 331:
I wonder if authorities have made an attempt to connect Casey to someone who may have access to rental records for the apartment complex. It is just too strange Casey knew so much about someone whom she did not know at all.
Pretty wild that she (Casey) had this story so well put together. The more I think about the more it appears that there was no accident but that this was out and out planned from the beginning.
Comment by Marica — October 18, 2008 @ 11:30 pm
Or….There is a whole different story going on here intirely and Caylee is still alive???
Comment by Jeff — October 19, 2008 @ 12:19 am
pardon my spelling as well!!
Comment by Jeff — October 19, 2008 @ 12:19 am
i was just watching a rerun of nancy grace and she was playing the clip of Jose Baez’s press conference when casey is standing behind him and i just don’t see how he expects people to believe that “she has been living a nightmare for the last several months”. she didn’t appear to be living a nightmare when she was dancing on a stripper pole and taking all kinds of pictures at club fusian. any ideas jeff?
Comment by Lou — October 19, 2008 @ 12:23 am
Uhm….The woman is a freak of nature!! My opinions about this case satnding firm where they have always been, If Caylee is alive, Casey should never be allowed to be near her again!!
Comment by Jeff — October 19, 2008 @ 12:31 am
standing
Comment by Jeff — October 19, 2008 @ 12:32 am
none of the anthonys with the exception of george should be allowed near her again. (and yes- i flip flop on how i feel about george) I feel sorry for him again after seeing that because of the protesters they have made him leave 4 places he had the big caylee billboard. i wanted to cry for him yesterday.
Comment by Lou — October 19, 2008 @ 12:48 am
Responding to Jeff 346:
I’ve wondered if she might still be alive, and GOD I hope there is an explanation for this and she is alive.. but then that leave us to figure out whose body was in the trunk of that car and how dose this figure into Caylee’s absence.
Comment by Marica — October 19, 2008 @ 2:11 am
OK.. so here is the real deal.. Caylee is the child
of some rich and powerful individual whom has decided that Casey is not raising his child right, and has paid Casey off, and with his powerful position he has been able to adopt the child quietly and she has been taken to some country where she will grow up with a wonderful life, but Casey cannot tell Mom & Dad, so she made up this abduction story, and then partied on, because after all she is guilty of no more than handing the child over to her biological father.
In the mean time someone crawled in the trunk of
her car chloroformed self, after eating a pizza,
and ingesting a few Xanax and died.
So who is the mystery Daddy???
And who died in the car and where is the body?
I still cannot get over the wild goose chase Casey took everyone on with the story of her job at Disney.
WHAT, was THAT all about.
Comment by Marica — October 19, 2008 @ 2:27 am
Cole Puffinburger has been found! Praise God!
Comment by Lou — October 19, 2008 @ 10:17 am
If Casey had been paid off by the rich and powerful father she would not have needed to resort to using Amy’s check for her purchases.
The little girl is dead. I think there is no reasonable cause to believe otherwise, unfortunately.
Good news about Cole then. These poor kids just have no choice in who is looking after them.
Comment by Karen — October 19, 2008 @ 10:30 am
The case with Cole just goes to show you what can happen if you call the police casey!! He’s alive and well and unharmed (physically).
Comment by Lou — October 19, 2008 @ 11:01 am
Until I logged onto this site this morning I didnt know that they had found Cole! He was found
walking the street alone and someone called it in
and police picked him up. Apparently the kidnappers
knew how hot this had become and just dropped him off!
This action makes sense, a child whose picture is
plastered all over the country is a liability to the takers and they would let him go. In Caylee’s case there is no doubt in my mind that Caylee wasnt taken by anyone. First, Casey would have reported it and
second even on the remotest possibility that she wouldnt report it after all this huge avalanche of coverage the takers would have just dropped her off
at a church or hospital or some such place. The
huge amount of lying that has gone on in this case,
mostly by Casey and Cindy helped to cloud the facts.
I think Cindy single-handly turned this into one
of the biggest cases in the country because of her
media appearances from day one. People just DONT
act the way the Anthonys did in this kind of crisis.
It counfounded the public, first the seemingly sensible thing that Cindy initially did by turning
in Casey and saying truthfully that the car smelled
like a dead body had been in it, and then Caseys
huge amount of easily proven lies to the police.
Then the media circus began with Cindy switching her
position and defending Casey! No wonder people sat up and took notice. It was like Whoa! what the heck
is going on here. Instant fame, instant interest.
I saw only Cold Puffenburgers’ father on TV, genuinely
upset stating he just wanted Cole back. That was a natural reaction to the situation. What we have seen
transpire in the Anthony case is the reason, I believe
it took so long to get her indicted. If you or I had
tried to pull this off – we would have been in jail
a lot sooner!
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 19, 2008 @ 12:45 pm
Marica,
I am a little confused on the whole Xanax thing here.
What makes you think Casey gave Caylee Xanax?
Comment by Jeff — October 19, 2008 @ 2:18 pm
Jeff – you didn’t ask me…. but i know that Casey had a friend (a bff) Annie (she lived with Dante) there at Sawgrass. There is testimony out there that Casey got zanax from annie. Her testimony has not been released in the discovery thats out there. So you can only conclude that they were going to use her testimony in the murder trial.
Comment by Lou — October 19, 2008 @ 2:41 pm
i guess i didn’t answer the giving caylee apart. That is supposedly testimony that several people gave. I haven’t seen that testimony maybe Marica knows.
Comment by Lou — October 19, 2008 @ 2:42 pm
In the released documents there are reports of Casey’s friends saying Caylee slept on the couch during parties where there was so much noise they though it was unusual. And when Caylee was woken up, she seemed dazed. Or something to this general effect.
I haven’t seen anyone say they saw Casey drugging the girl but friends were suspicious. I haven’t read through them all because, I don’t have the time.
Comment by Karen — October 19, 2008 @ 2:46 pm
I honestly feel that if any of my friends had a 2 year old that was drugged around me, I would know something was up. My son takes phenobarbital to control seizures. He is 12yrs old. When ever is doctor ups the dosage be just 5mg, I can see it in him.
Comment by Jeff — October 19, 2008 @ 4:18 pm
Response to Karen 355 & Lou 360:
At some point, Jeff suggested that there might be a whole OTHER story for Caylee being missing. My post only a made up possibility .. I apologize for the confusion to either of you and others.
Response to Jeff 358:
XANAX: According to a report read online, authorities identified small traces of Xanax along with the chloroform and decomposition of human remains in the trunk.
Also Jeff… 362, People who party pay little attention to the cute little kid in the corner. The child holds the attention of these people for only so long before they become beyond caring about the sleepy child.
Comment by Marica — October 19, 2008 @ 7:47 pm
I should read more carefully too Marica.
Well, it looks like quite a few people are trying to think up alternative scenarios other than the obvious.
“Grace arrested over Caylee Anthony kidnapping”
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i42320#this
Comment by Karen — October 19, 2008 @ 9:55 pm
Karen- that was hilarious. I’ve read several of the nancy grace articles. I don’t care what anyone says……… I Love Nancy!
Comment by Lou — October 19, 2008 @ 11:12 pm
I am so intriqued by those who think that investigators are not legitimate in their findings. That we are not rational with our logic knowing the common details!
Air Samples don’t mean anything…
Maybe the people in the tow yard threw a dead body in the trunk? It’s Not Caylee!
I am sure that instead of going to a landscape nursery, many people go near the airport to find tropical plants. July is the season to do that by the way.
Caylee was kidnapped by a person she knew for a year and a half! She is from New York but has family in Florida, Puerto Rico and NYC! She had switched phone service from sprint to MCI and has had several residences. We have been together at the beach, Universal & Sea World. BTW… Did Zenida have any kids? (Casey) “I don’t know, that question never came up between us.”
Chloroform was created in the trunk when pool chemicals were mixed together accidentally!
Casey is NOT guilty of the check fraud charges! The friend left the checks for Casey and now she is framing her!
CINDY ANTHONY (quote)
“Nothing can prove to me that my daughter harmed Caylee!”
Caylee was kidnapped on June 16th but Casey waited until her mother phoned the police 30 days later before telling her that Caylee was kidnapped.
Caylee borrows a shovel from the neighbor all the time to chop the bamboo!
The scent the dogs picked up was inconclusive!
Comment by ms — October 20, 2008 @ 12:11 am
Responding to Deb # 367:
Where are the hateful negative people you mention?
It is very difficult to have a positive view of Casey, or her Mother. Liars are by far more negative types than the people who have come her to express their thoughts and concern for little Caylee. I have seen no hate, but simply intelligent people whom speak their thoughts based on information available to the world when Casey and Mom Cindy spew lies of events. Casey is a young woman with some serious need for mental health treatment for personality disorders. Mom Cindy certainly has some issues herself since she denies her daughters problems and obviously has covered up for her in the past.
Earlier, someone mentioned the Body Farm. So much work has been done there to learn how to obtain information in all sorts of deaths, that I cannot see how anyone can dispute the findings from the trunk of the car.
I would love to see this play out where Caylee is alive and well but at this point it certainly is doubtful.
We might suppose, that Casey is an undercover CIA agent involved in some high profile investigation and Caylee has been hidden by the government to protect her and all of these strange events are simply a cover. Of course that would explain why Casey is so able to tell story after story and seem so unconcerned for the welfare of her child. And this is why eventually we will all go “Ahhhh THAT explains it all”
Fantasy is always a wonderful escape from reality.
Comment by Marica — October 20, 2008 @ 2:12 am
Deb, you are the one of the worst, if not the worst posters when it comes to judging others without evidence.
For instance “It seems you all have bought in to the undocumented information about the bag and body fluids also.”
There is nothing in my comments whatsoever that would indicate I have taken the comments about the body fluids on the bag to be fact.
You are also wrong in thinking I watch too much Nancy Grace. I don’t even have a TV connection. Occasionally I watch her clips on the case online, but she is not someone who I see as overall being credible, although she does sometimes call people on their bullshit when I’d let certain things go unnoticed.
Thanks for the parting shot, I recall Linn doing that when she supposedly left too.
Comment by Karen — October 20, 2008 @ 10:27 am
Deb – no one is hateful on this site, they just dont
agree with you – have a great time in “Mexico”
or where ever your “fantasy” vacation is taking you.
We will miss your illogical and wrong-headed
conclusions regarding this case and your apologies
for the Anthony family even in the face of rock-sold
evidence. Im sure you also believe that Amy who
was living hand-to-mouth, left the checks specifically for Casey and told Casey to spend the money on whatever she wanted! Wow, now I understand!
I however, do not believe that you will stay away
from our site too long. Sooner or later there will
be another like Linn, Robin, or some other pseudo
identitiy pop up to confound us with their conclusions. Im sure we cant wait!
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 20, 2008 @ 10:51 am
PS I love Nancy too and I very much believe in the bag with the body fluids. Something made the car
smell and there are at least 8 witnesses to that
fact, including Casey herself, Cindy, George, Lee
and the tow card attendants, as well as two or three
policemen. The bag was retrieved by the police and
Simon Burch gave sworn testimony regarding it.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 20, 2008 @ 10:56 am
It’s just the DNA claim regarding the bag I’ve not hear of. Is that info out?
Comment by Karen — October 20, 2008 @ 12:16 pm
Yes, it is information that I have heard about. I am not sure if the results have been returned, but I believe there is hope to have DNA verification from that bag. I believe it was originally disposed of by the Anthony’s, but the police did retrieve it from the tow yard.
If this is wrong, could someone correct me, please. I can’t recall where I read this.
Comment by sharebear — October 20, 2008 @ 12:50 pm
Deb,
Not sure if you have left for Mexico yet but have a nice relaxing trip. It was a pleasure.
Comment by Jeff — October 20, 2008 @ 2:03 pm
It’s been a while since I have been able to check in. Just wanted to say hat’s off to you #325 Marcia for doing the right thing ! Sounds like it paid off in the end! I would do the same for my kids if I were ever in those shoes(hopefully never!)But I agree that you should love your kids but not enable and lie to cover up for them which is what Cindy Anthony has done for Casey all of her life!Now LOOK at the MONSTER that has been created!Let’s yhope she get’s locked away for a very long time !
Comment by Anniray — October 20, 2008 @ 2:55 pm
Reported by WFTV:
ACCESS TO FBI LAB TESTS MAY BE DENIED
It looks like one of the court requests made by Casey’s lawyer, Jose Baez, won’t do any good.
A judge told Baez he could have access to view some of the forensic testing in the case. But there’s a problem. The FBI is conducting the testing in their labs and the judge has no jurisdiction over the federal agency.
The FBI won’t likely allow Casey’s defense team into its labs.
I can’t see how the defense can be denied this evidence. If the FBI chooses to withold these materials from the defense, their would be no fairness in this trial. I hope this is not the case.
Comment by Jeff — October 20, 2008 @ 5:59 pm
Jeff,
If you are pro process than you have to be partial about all laws. The rule is in place for a reason and now all Baez has to do is continue to cry foul!
That is his only defense!
Baez definition of justice is different than others. His ultimate goal is to get a killer off! Not find justice for his client or her child!
That is why he practices DUI cases. It is not about justice. He wants to see if he can find loopholes to get his drunks back on the street! Get one guy off and he will brag to 10 other drunks. That is what Jose wants! He ain’t practicing to protect his clients under the law. He wants to create a smokescreen with intent to sell a jury or judge on scumbag tactics,
That is what he is doing with Casey!
This news flash should benifit his case!
Comment by ms — October 20, 2008 @ 6:20 pm
A DAY IN THE LIFE OF CASEY ANTHONY
Casey Anthony is broke and lonely. Eyewitness News is taking a look inside the Orange County jail at a day in the life of Casey
It seems even Casey’s solitude won’t get her to talk about her daughter Caylee. Besides a few lawyers, Casey hasn’t had a single visitor.
Casey is in the Female Detention Center building along John Young Parkway near I-4. She’s in a first floor cell and it’s a stark existence that she might have to get used to for a long time.
Casey Anthony, high-spirited party girl, is now one of the loneliest women in Central Florida. Accused of murdering her daughter to free herself of maternal encumbrances, she now finds herself not only childless but friendless.
Casey can see out through a glass wall, but everyone else can see in.
“There is no privacy in jail,” jail spokesman Allen Moore told Eyewitness News.
Casey’s alone about 20 hours a day in her cell. She eats alone there. Monday it was cornflakes for breakfast, turkey hotdogs and beans for lunch, Salisbury steak and gravy and potatoes for dinner. She does get dessert three times a day if she wants.
Casey can have photographs on her shelf if she wants, but Eyewitness News was told there are no photographs, not even of Caylee.
The family she’s stolen from has never put any money in her jail account, so she can’t buy things like candy and diet sodas.
No one in her family has asked to visit her. She’s made no phone calls.
“She reads, she sleeps,” Moore said.
Casey visited her attorney six hours a day while she was out of jail on home confinement. Now she’s seen her lawyers a total of only six hours in the last week since her indictment on first-degree murder.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 20, 2008 @ 6:22 pm
One thing I know about jail – prisoners rely on family to put money into the jail account for small items like candy and other things. I think its very telling that Cindy hasnt put ANY money into Casey’s jailhouse account. It doesnt have to be much
even $25.00 dollars is good for a few items like
chocolate bars or some diet sodas. What about Lee,
he too hasnt done this. I thought they wouldnt vist
because they will be tape recorded as before and I know the family doesnt want that – but not putting
any money for her jail house account is really surprising. It may not seem like a big deal, but
when you are confined that long, its very small things
like being able to buy a soda that become important.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 20, 2008 @ 6:26 pm
Jeff – if the judge doesnt have jurisdiction – he
doesnt have jurisdiction! If you want fair and
wonderful conditions dont get arrested.
The feds are a completely different deal and if they
have evidence they have tested, then I assume that
it has to be released to the local authorities and then it can be made available to the defense under
the discovery statute.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 20, 2008 @ 6:28 pm
That wasn’t a parting shot, that was a parting novel!
Comment by Karen — October 20, 2008 @ 7:32 pm
OMG? #382 That was soooooooooo BRUTAL!
Reincarnation? Even the uneducated can figure that one out!
K? Does your policy allow you to zip away this entire site.
We either have Sybil on our hands or a squad of assasins that are “playing the role” of Jose Baez for effect!
Please make them go away or I am sure others will get tired of the speculative criticisms and character debates.
Comment by ms — October 20, 2008 @ 7:46 pm
Sybil came to my mind too. Someone is very unbalanced that’s for sure.
Comment by Karen — October 20, 2008 @ 7:52 pm
Oh my gawd! The post by “Tann” was the BIGGEST
BUNCH OF BALONEY anyone has ever tried to get me
to swallow. Look, there is a place for people who suffer from multiple personality disorder and I suggest you hightail it out there and find one!
Just my little joke. I dont care if you are LINN/DEB/ROBIN/TANN OR TOM DICK OR HARRY.
Everyone has the right to express their opinions.
Each of us, regardless of our educational level,
our spelling, or our opinions are all EQUAL – maybe
the notion of equality hasnt hit your part of the country yet, you are in the gulags right? Where
everyone has to listen only to what you say
and agree? We can agree to disagree or agree with
anyone else if they make the right argument. I will
call you Linn/Deb for expediency, who never was able
to convince anyone more than one or two posters
with her arguments. If you cant take the heat,
there is always a way out of the kitchen, and if it were my site, I would have showed you the door a long time ago. Not because of your posts but because
of your deceptions. We are not, contrary to you,
idiots or stupid. We were able to see your poorly
strategized idea of changing names right off the bat.
Your long (as usual) harangue against us all just
proves once again that you are who we think you are,
an overblown wordy blowhard with an attitude. Get
over yourselves (or self, as the case may be)
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 20, 2008 @ 7:56 pm
New information regarding a possible new attorney
qualified to defend Casey Anthony. Terence Lenamon
has defended some of the most heinous crimes which were death penalty cases in Florida. One man he defended killed a woman and then took her 5 year old
and left her in alligator “alley” where she was bitten
and killed by alligators.
Harrel Franklin Braddy faces the death penalty after kidnapping a woman and throwing her 5-year-old daughter into alligator-infested waters and leaving her to die.
This is the kind of people Lenamon has tried to defend. Its possible he may join the Casey defense team
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 20, 2008 @ 8:13 pm
Tann/Deb/Tom/Linn/et al:
Your games are old. We’re all sick of them. You’re the same person with some sort of sick agenda that nobody but you cares about. Cindy is an enigma to you, even though you’ve followed her “closely”, yet the posters you elaborately mention in your ad hominem attacks are not enigmas, even though all you know of them is what you read here? Your “agenda” is presented loud and clear.
I’m an admin here. I see things others do not. You don’t like me? You think I’m blind and stupid? You think I’m intolerant and I let others go on and on? Let me tell you something…I’m one of the most tolerant and patient people you’ll come across but even I have a point where enough is enough. The other posters may have called people names, but they did it under one name and one name only. They didn’t create suck poppets to hide behind and use them to attempt and spread discord and dissent, deliberately twist information and others’ words for their own means, and generally create an atmosphere of ridiculousness. If you are a multiple, get one of them to get you some help.
We are perfectly willing to let posters go on and on in their discussions, no matter what their viewpoint is, but this crosses the line. Your series of ad hominem attacks are a pathetic attempt to deflect attention. Whatever your agenda is, take it somewhere else, we aren’t buying what you’re selling. So put that in your smipe and poke it.
Comment by k — October 20, 2008 @ 8:14 pm
to ms post #377 – that is absolutely true what you posted to Jeff – the attorneys like Baez and now
possibly Lenamon arent interested in “justice”
they are interested in getting their clients off
and nothing else. Most of us believe that the police
and the state are the ones who bring criminals to justice.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 20, 2008 @ 8:16 pm
how come nancy grace repeats the same thing over and over again?
Comment by sally — October 20, 2008 @ 8:38 pm
It was reported by wftv that George put $50.00 in her jailhouse account. If you put in cash it gets
credited immediately by the way. I feel for George
how can you not? I do believe he is a victim here.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 20, 2008 @ 8:39 pm
382 – written by Linn for sure! Linn has MULTIPLE
Comment by Lou — October 20, 2008 @ 9:31 pm
Linn has MULTIPLE Disorder. I will give Linn the credit of this disorder as she was the first to post here.
Comment by Lou — October 20, 2008 @ 9:33 pm
Thanks K!
Can you suspend Sybil?
Before you do I want you all to know that I think we should ignore the information that we have been poisoned with by the media. This is political and the police are going to prosecute Caylee with no revelent cause. I wan’t to sound educated!
Caylee is still alive and needs to be found!
Zenida is real and has been hiding out with Caylee (for unknown reasons) for months.
Casey has done nothing to harm her daughter because she has not done it in the past.
She is a loving parent that is being framed by the media, police and general public.
Trained police dogs are unreliable!
Casey uses a shovel all the time to help her parents with the yard work. She is so helpful that when Cindy is away, she always borrows the neighbors shovel to help her out!
There was no spite or trouble between Casey & Cindy prior to Caylee going missing.
The FBI labs findings on DNA are wrong.
The Body Farm odor proves nothing.
She was afraid for Caylees safety therefor did not tell police.
She did talk to Juliette, guy though and they like Zenida can’t be found. Maybe they are all in hiding.
There is just too much that we don’t know yet and the matter will be tried in court, NOT THE MEDIA>
You will all feel foolish when you finally hear Casey’s story! We will all understand soon, trust what Jose Baez is saying! He is a reputable, honest and sincere person!
Comment by ms — October 20, 2008 @ 9:49 pm
Regarding the judge’s motion to turn over tips to the defense and the Anthony’s – apparently the Anthonys
are upset that there have been no new tips reported since August. I dont know why this is the police’s
fault. Doesnt it occur to the Anthonys that there
have been no new tips for 2 months because there have
been no sightings of Caylee? Even if the public
were to believe that Caylee was dead, if they truly
saw a child that they thought was her, no matter what
they believed, wouldnt they turn a tip in? Again
the blame game. Today Todd Black, who no one has
ever seen, sent yet another press release stating he
was taken out of context in his interview on CNN.
The Anthony’s circle of supporters and defenders has
become ever more strange while they have alienated
respected professionals like Tim Miller who were trying to help them. Casey sits in a cell with no
pictures of Caylee or her brother or parents. I dont believe she wants to see them staring at her. No matter what the family says – if she had those pictures up, at night in the dark, she would see
those eyes with the accusations in them that stare back at her.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 20, 2008 @ 9:52 pm
ms (394) you had me ROFL. No offense but you sounded so UNEDUCATED.
Jeff – look what you did!!!!!
Comment by Lou — October 20, 2008 @ 10:05 pm
Did anybody really read that whole post by Linn and one of her other personalities named Tann?
Comment by Lou — October 20, 2008 @ 10:10 pm
Lou,
You need to get educated!
I am no longer going to put up with your poison. It “saddens” me to see people on this site that are so cynikle (SP my education ya know)
PS Your the best!
Comment by ms — October 20, 2008 @ 10:11 pm
Can this so-called misstatement made by black com back to help Casey? Mistrial?
Comment by ms — October 20, 2008 @ 10:27 pm
GOOD LORD!!!! Lol! This place has gone nuts! Lou… I am not responsible!!! Lol! Tann…Thanks for the kind words, hope Mom is well.
Comment by Jeff — October 20, 2008 @ 10:47 pm
I don’t know what happened to Casey that she ended up the way she did and I imagine Cindy did the best that she knew how to do as well as George.
Maybe it is just fate that some people are bad apples.
I’m glad she’s in jail because I think she is a serious danger to the rest of society. But hey, sociopaths need love too. I feel for George especially and have no criticism for him wanting to make Casey’s life in prison a little easier. I’m a parent too.
Life is complicated.
The parting novel by “Sybil” was a string of ad hominem attacks, attacks against bloggers who disagreed with her/his opinions instead of substantiated arguments against our claims. Changes the subject I guess.
As for Marica and her parenting skills, I commend you for making your son suffer the consequences as well as speaking about it. Doing so left you vulnerable to attack for not having a picture perfect family. You did the right thing and you know this without anyone telling you. Still that was a horrible hit below the belt by someone self described as a caring person.
I have had a son in juvenile hall for drug related offenses. Sometimes love is tough, but that is where they belong………..until you can book them into rehab and some real help. Time alone to thing before it gets worse is a good thing.
I won’t bother defending anyone else attacked in that post because the criticisms were just bunch of piffle. Attacking mothers who showed courage however is serious stuff.
Maybe it’s just sour grapes from someone who didn’t do that themselves. Who knows!
Comment by Karen — October 20, 2008 @ 10:49 pm
I’m not really sure why i’m even responding to 281 but the anthony’s have NEVER given casey any money at all any of the times she’s been in jail.
Comment by Lou — October 20, 2008 @ 11:04 pm
I wonder why Jose Baez hasn’t given his precious Casey any money for snacks? (does that sound uneducated?) I
If he can pay for someone like Kobilinski why can’t he put a few dollars in her jail account?
Comment by Lou — October 20, 2008 @ 11:06 pm
Yeah,
We have gone nuts! We are responding to a conspiracy in illogigal fashion. We should not trust the media who is reporting the documented facts in the case!
A media that is outraged with the actions of the mother towards her missing child.
We are jumping to conclusions.
We should question the police for making any assumptions or accusations with no confession.
We should also question those who are pointing the finger at a person who is hiding behind a court appointed flunky! A person who has mislead the people who support her or come to her aid.
There is a missing (and possibly dead) child that is somewhere safe with kidnappers (unless police try to find them).
The circumstances surrounding the case are not enough to blame her mother.
Let her go until we find and prosecute the kidnappers!
Does that sound better Jeff? I bet she could confess to the killing and you would find ways to defend the scumbag.
Comment by ms — October 20, 2008 @ 11:12 pm
haha, you know, maybe Nancy Grace should send a money order over. More video tapes for her show you know!
That’s awful I know. But, you have to wonder sometimes.
Comment by Karen — October 20, 2008 @ 11:17 pm
404 MS,
For the sake of the people I’ve gotten to know here a little, I will defend your sensless comment towards me.
Normally, I would not bother replying to such an insignificant (to me) person as yourself.
I HAVE NEVER DEFENDED CASEY ANTHONY!!!! Read the post’s moron.
Comment by Jeff — October 21, 2008 @ 2:56 am
As for everyone else, please excuse my lack of patients with MS. I am not quick to start name calling but I am tired of being accused of defending Casey Anthony. I never have, and most likely, never will.
Comment by Jeff — October 21, 2008 @ 2:58 am
WOW! That’s all I can say to Sybil’s reply to ALL of us! I stopped reading it after the 4th paragraph ,but quickly scrolled down the rest. Frankly, She/they/it is NOT worthy of any kind of response ; therefore , I will ignore it! I have a tennis lesson to go to now. Hope the rest of you have a great day! Yes, you too Jeff! Still LOL at Sybil’s novel above ! I’ll check in later at nap time (my 2 year old’s that is).
Comment by Anniray — October 21, 2008 @ 9:26 am
Jeff, a neutral position doesn’t really exempt on from criticism from those on either side.
Think of Switzerland and their WWII slogan “Switzerland, neutral but not cowardly” PBS ran a show some years ago called “Switzerland, Neutral or Cowardly” to examine the repercussions of this neutral stance.
When you disagree with someone it’s likely you will be criticized, fence sitters included. On the other hand, you can’t please eveyone.
Comment by Karen — October 21, 2008 @ 9:36 am
oops – should be
Jeff, a neutral position doesn’t really exempt ONE from criticism from those on either side.
Comment by Karen — October 21, 2008 @ 9:37 am
I just read that Leonard Padilla has contributed money to Texas Equusearch and that was a major factor in their coming search. This is supposed to be one of the largest searches every undertaken. I think its admirable that they are willing to search, but I just dont believe after looking at the landscape and layout of that area online that they have much of a chance to find Caylee. There are so many waterways, critters including alligators, and swampy areas that are not conducive to deep burial where an animal
could dig up a body, coupled with the fact that she was so small, I believe after 3 months there isnt much hope of finding anything. It seems they are convinced that Caylee’s body is in that specific area. I pray that they do find her this time, as I believe if they come up empty they will probably not launch such a massive search again. Its now reported
that Casey wont testify. I certainly can understand
that, but I wonder how in the world Baez and this new attorney can defend her without someones direct testimony to help to verify her story – which according to her own words – she is sticking too.
It hardly seems credible that we can have an
“now I understand” moment based upon the defense calling witnesses to tell us what a great mother Casey was.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 21, 2008 @ 9:46 am
Just watching msnbc on TV and they had a breaking news
that Casey Anthony has been charged with child neglect
which has been added to her recent charges and
that they have dropped a child abduction charge.
Now Im really confused as I thought she already was
charged and indicted on child neglect. I looked up
on the regular Orlando sites this morning, but there
isnt anything up yet. If anyone has heard anything and
can clarify on this, Id appreciate your posting it.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 21, 2008 @ 9:55 am
I am beginning to think that “Sybil” might actual be a prisoner herself. She seems to have a lot of time on her hands and appears to me to really be serious about driving her point home. You know the jail house defense attorney. (LOL)
When an attorney defends someone, they are just doing there JOB: to get the best possible deal available.
They do not necessarily believe the offender is innocent. They attempt to cast doubt.
They do not need to do there own investigations, but they do receive all documents and can have them reviewed and will try to point out any discrepancies, loopholes, etc.
JB appears to have his own agenda: trying to elevate his status as a bigtime criminal defense attorney. He is in the media, playing it up, and becoming well known. Everyone now knows his name.
Casey is entitled to appropriate representation and will have such. This does not mean that she will be exonerated. She will have her day in Court.
I personally do not see any mitigating factors that will keep her out of prison for life, but I doubt that she will get the death penalty.
Time will tell. Everyone, just be patient. These big cases take time and become very frustrating for concerned observers. But she will be held accountable.
Hopefully, they will find the body and that can end that argument. Even though they clearly do not the body, it does leave one less argument for the defense.
Comment by sharebear — October 21, 2008 @ 10:02 am
MSNBC apparently got it wrong – here is the story from
Orlandosentinel.com the State has DROPPED the child neglect charges against Casey – that makes more sense.
The State Attorney’s Office has dropped its child-neglect charge against Casey Anthony.
The decision was made in light of the grand jury’s recent indictment of Anthony on charges first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child and four counts of providing false information to law enforcement.
In a statement released this morning, the State Attorney’s Office explained: “The neglect charges were premised on the theory that her child, Caylee Marie, was still alive. As the investigation progressed and it became clear that the evidence proved that the child was deceased, the State sought an indictment on the legally appropriate charges.”
The release said the State Attorney’s Office would not comment further.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 21, 2008 @ 10:20 am
That does make sense. It also shows confidence in the case they are building.
Comment by sharebear — October 21, 2008 @ 10:27 am
Interesting decision on the AG’s part. Guess they were concerned that those original charges could provide a loophole for Baez. There would be no other reason to drop them. Now imagine this one….Caylee by some miracle is found alive!! Now all LE has is the 4 counts of falsified docs. I would personally rather see the child neglect charges stay in the odd event that takes place. I dont ever want to see Caylee returned to Casey!!
Comment by Jeff — October 21, 2008 @ 10:47 am
Jeff, you want to have you cake and eat it too! At some point it’s best to make a commitment to a point of view than always having 50 cents each way.
LE has more evidence than we do. I’m sure that is the key factor in their decision.
Comment by Karen — October 21, 2008 @ 10:51 am
Yes, Karen, you are correct. The State I believe has some very powerful evidence in their case against Casey. Also even though child neglect charges were dropped if Caylee were found alive, I believe they
could re-charge her. There seems to be real hope that they might find a body in the November search. I dont wish to be gruesome, but I think the term body is rather a misnomer. I think they are most likely searching for remains. Even if they find a small human
bone out there that can be attributed to coming from a child, that is going to be enough to convict her.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 21, 2008 @ 11:03 am
wftv.com has a poll on their website asking the question whether Casey Anthony should get the death penalty. I voted no – the results 81 percent
voted yes and only 19 percent voted no. About 10,000.00 people have voted all together. I assume
most from Florida. It surprised me frankly. I know
that passions are really high about this case, but she is only 22 years old. She might be a cold blooded
killer, but her age for me is a factor. Still, the results are very interesting as I felt that her age
might have been considered.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 21, 2008 @ 11:18 am
I don’t think she should get the death penalty either. In fact, I’d need to see what LE has before I’d even go premeditated murder.
I do think she is guilty of homicide of some sort.
Comment by Karen — October 21, 2008 @ 11:58 am
#406 JEFF
Everyone on this board reads how you feel about Casey. But it is hard for me to “buy into” that when you can’t pick a team? Are you just the nicer version of Linn attempting to influence those who are backing the media and the people who are paid to investigate?
That said, your posts are very protective and territorial over the EVIDENCE & CIRCUMSTANCES that haunt Casey.
More importantly, you have proven to be very much “Sybil Like” with your most recent outburst / tantrum and name calling…
Here is the pattern,
YOU LASH OUT… then turtle up and apologize to everyone accept the person you punched.
I have posted here longer than you and have never behaved in such a rude manner towards someone I disagree with. This will be the last time I respond to anything you have to say or pretend to do.
Comment by ms — October 21, 2008 @ 12:11 pm
My assumption of what the States case might be
and I stress the word might – is that they are going to try to bring the evidence in a procedural layout showing Casey Anthonys premeditated intent – something to the effect of:
1 For several months before Caylee went missing she searched out websites for chloroform and
also missing childrens sites.
2. She had recently stolen from her grandparents and parents and was possibly going to lose custody of Caylee and be kicked out of her parents house.
3. She missed out on a vacation in Puerto Rico with her friends as she had no one to take care of Caylee
and her inner rage was building.
4. When she left her parents home she took none of
Caylees play things or clothes.
5. That she never reported Caylee was missing.
6. That she left her car in a parking lot containing
Caylees car seat, toothbrush and a backpack. Also
a dinner knife (which has been washed) was in the car
as well.
7. That during the time that Caylee was not seen, nor reported missing, Casey stole her friends Amy’s checks
and used them to shop for herself seemingly unconcerned about Caylee and caught on video tape
showing her demeanor as being very collected and cool.
8. That are photograph records that can be sworn to
of Caseys activities at night clubs and parties attended to by witnesses to be called regarding her
never mentioning Caylee and her carefree attitude.
9. That Casey can produce no evidence of the babysitter, her phones, email address, regular address
or any other information regarding the baby sitter
except for a name which belongs to an innocent person.
10. That Casey did not work and lied to her friends
and family and had no means of support to pay such
a baby sitter and was forced to steal from her grandparents, parents and Amy. That would negate
Casey “selling” Caylee for money.
11. That Caseys cell phone pings can pinpoint her whereabouts and be used to pinpoint where a body could have been disposed of.
12 That Casey lied to the authorities on every question that was asked her, and also admitted lying
but offered no explanation for her lies.
The forensics of which we dont know very much:
13. That there was DNA evidence and decomposition
evidence in her trunk causing the terrible smell
that was sworn to in testimony by Simon Burch of
the tow-yard, and her parents and Lee.
14. That there was a bag in the trunk retrieved by the police with DNA evidence on the outside of the bag.
15. That chloroform traces were found in the air of the car.
16. That cadaver dogs hit on decomposition in the
Anthony’s back yard.
summing up:
17. That Casey Anthony has never spoken one word
of truth to where her daughter is -has never offered
one hopeful scenario as to where she might be except
the babysitter story and only that story, once to the police and never since, and that she has maintained
complete silence since that time.
18. That Caylee Marie Anthony is still missing
after 4 months and there have been no credible tips
of her being sited and no new tips since August
OK, I rest my case
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 21, 2008 @ 1:16 pm
I’d need the dates of the searchs for the chloraform and the missing kids, but if it was before Caylee whent missing, I’d be in on the premeditated too.
Comment by Karen — October 21, 2008 @ 1:26 pm
You would think that the FBI has already sent out an ABP to every distributor and or institution that has chloroform to check all orders to the Orlando area.
Even any drug dealer that might have access to this chemical should be sought out. This would put the person and illegitimate business on notice but it is the right thing to do. Even on the street!
Also check any hospital that Cindy has worked at for missing product.
My guess is that the chloroform was purchased on line or mail order cashiers check. Because the police are building a case against Casey, Cindy will not cooperate but she (Lee & George) should be questioned to see if she conducted the searches on missing children and chloroform among others as a process of elimination.
Comment by ms — October 21, 2008 @ 1:53 pm
I almost bet that FBI has witnesses that will testify on behalf of information relevent to chloroform and the apartment complex that are crutial!
Comment by ms — October 21, 2008 @ 1:55 pm
I bet there is so much overwhelming evidence that we have not heard of!
I think that they will have to plea insanity.
Comment by ms — October 21, 2008 @ 1:58 pm
Yes Baez can stand up and say Casey is insane
and we will all say “now I understand”
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 21, 2008 @ 2:10 pm
More on Terence Lenamon Casey’s new attorney:
Miami criminal defense attorney Terence Lenamon has joined the Casey Anthony defense team. Two of the three high-profile murderers Eyewitness News knows he’s defended are on death row. The other is serving five consecutive life sentences.
Terence Lenamon would not talk to Eyewitness News on Tuesday. He’s now part of accused killer Casey Anthony’s defense team. She could face the death penalty for the murder of her daughter Caylee. Her attorney, Jose Baez, is not qualified to handle death penalty cases, but Lenamon is.
Lenamon is a highly-rated defense attorney. Still, two of three high-profile murderers he’s defended in recent years are on Florida’s death row.
One of them is known as “The Miami Stranger.” Harrel Franklin Braddy, 59, was sent to death row last year for literally feeding little Quatisha Maycock to the alligators in the Everglades after strangling her mother and leaving her for dead. The jury voted 11-1 for death. Braddy had already been convicted of choking a corrections officer. Lenamon had tried to convince the jury the little girl’s murder was not intentional, but “a horrible mistake”.
Two months ago, a jury voted 8-4 to send another of Lenamon’s clients to death row, 31-year-old Wadada Delhall, for murdering a key witness who testified against his brother in a murder case.
One of his high-profile Miami murder clients did escape the death penalty. Cesar Mena, 29, a member of the so-called “Orlando Boys,” who raped and killed Ana Maria Angel and stabbed her high school sweetheart, is serving five consecutive life sentences.
Casey’s defense attorney keeps insisting Caylee is still alive, even though a grand jury indicted her for premeditated murder after hearing the evidence the FBI and Orange County sheriff’s investigators have against her.
If Caylee’s body is not found before trial, it’s unlikely Baez will need help from a death penalty-qualified attorney, because without a body there probably would be no push for the death penalty.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 21, 2008 @ 4:50 pm
# 382 – Regarding DEB/TANN – I have no idea what the truth is, but I choose to believe, however naive you all accuse me of being, that Deb is exactly who she, and then Tann said she is.
I never imagined when I first stumbled upon this site – looking for information on this case, that it would develop into such vat of intolerance for peoples opinions. The very people who accuse others of not accepting the opinions of others are the most guilty of it. Worse than that, is that they can’t or don’t or refuse to see it. So as not to create any confusion, I am referring to Elaine and her cronies. I can’t believe the amount of intolerance and harshness that has been exchanged here. MHO.
TANN/DEB –
I don’t know if you’ll see this, but in case you do, I appreciate your kind words, and your effort to bring a little empathy and kindness into the world.
I admire you all (and envy you a little…) for going to search for Caylee. It wasn’t all that long ago, well, at least it doesn’t seem that long ago, that I was a college student myself, and I would have loved to join you. As you have probably read, I have a 2 1/2 year old, and no parenting partner, and of course, I work, so I don’t have the time or means to come search with you at this point in my life. But know that you, and Jeff, have my prayers that you will find her. GOOD LUCK, GIRLS, and search a block for me.
“glp, Mom had mentioned you and hoped that this case wasn’t making it hard for you. She knows what it is like to care for young children in a world where bad things happen to good people. We are sure she would send you her best.”
It is hard to reconcile what has presumably happened to this child with my intense fear that something bad could happen to my child, so in that way, Deb was correct in thinking that this case is affecting me deeply. In general, the thought of children suffering, or not being loved even, saddens me to me my core. But I know that all I can do is my best to raise a happy, healthy child, and be as careful as possible while allowing him room to grow and learn and flourish, and TRUST GOD to keep a close watch over my boy! Please let Deb know that there are people out here that appreciate people like her, regardless what anyone else around here thinks. Please wish her well for me.
Lastly, I just want to say that for me, this blog has always been about finding out what is going on with this case – about finding Caylee. It disturbs and disgusts me that so much venom has been spewed here. I suppose that is my naivete again. Thinking the world is a nice, happy place. Well, for me, that is what I continue to choose to think, in spite of this site.
K & D, I don’t profess to know what you know, but I just don’t see this situation as being what you and the others present it to be. Sorry if that isn’t what I’m supposed to say, or if it makes me ’stupid’ or ‘uneducated’ or a ‘n00b’ in someone’s eyes. This is just MHO.
Comment by glp — October 21, 2008 @ 4:50 pm
From the info above, it seems that its not necessary
for a unanimous decision in Florida by the jury to
convict.
Anyone have info on this?
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 21, 2008 @ 4:51 pm
Clarification –
“Thinking the world is a nice, happy place. Well, for me, that is what I continue to choose to think, in spite of this site.”
Meant to say that the BLOG WORLD is a nice happy place.
I think this case has us all painfully aware that the world isn’t always a nice, happy place.
Comment by glp — October 21, 2008 @ 4:55 pm
Response to glp – Im a lone poster – and I dont have any “cronies” on this site. Everyone here except
for a few people who have chosen to deceive us by
posting under different names, are independent
and unknown to each other. This site is an open debate
regarding an interesting and unusual case. From the beginning we have been pretty much in agreement regarding our opinion of Casey Anthony’s guilt.
Having different or opposite opinions are good – it
helps stimulate the debate -however, this Linn/Deb/Tann business has taken it in another direction, and an unnecessary one. If you so “appreciate” Deb then get her email and have a conversation between the two of you. This is a discussion about the Anthony case, and all opinions and comments seem to be welcome by K and Dawn
as long as you dont cross their boundaries for their site. I have no other issues or agenda. My beliefs
are pretty clear if you read my posts I believe
Casey is guilty, but I also am learning a lot and
I think we all have become more informed on many subjects we might not have known too much about.
Except for Linn who seems to know EVERYTHING.
There has been a nice exchange among us so far
and I hope it continues that way, now that the deception is (we hope) finally over from certain parties.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 21, 2008 @ 5:05 pm
Elaine –
I guess that is one of probably many ways you and I differ – I don’t think the exchange here has been even remotely what I’d call “nice.” But c’est la vie. To each his own. As for getting Deb’s email, saying that I appreciate having people like her in the world doesn’t mean that I need to develop a relationship with her. I was just a statement of goodwill.
Comment by glp — October 21, 2008 @ 5:32 pm
OK, most of the exchanges have been nice – not all.
I stand corrected.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 21, 2008 @ 5:35 pm
People who post on blogs can have alot of hidden adgendas, glp as well, some are free thinking independent people, plus a variety of other types. The blog world is made up of people from the real world so it is usually at least as bad as that and usually worse because of the anonymity factor. The thought of being caught red handed leads people to self correct in real life, but sometimes that is absent online.
Honestly, I’m not offended that “Sybil” has called me narrow minded, uneducated and ……..I don’t know what else. I attribute those comments to her/his adgenda. Uneducated is just not a judgement I encounter from “real people.” Water off a duck’s back is a good approach.
Comment by Karen — October 21, 2008 @ 5:43 pm
sorry, that would have been,
People who post on blogs can have alot of hidden adgendas, glp, as well, some are free thinking independent people, plus a variety of other types.
It was not meant to say you had a hidden agenda.
Comment by Karen — October 21, 2008 @ 5:51 pm
Karen –
I understand that, I suppose, but I have been open about the fact that I am new to blogging, and naive in that way. I do, however, understand that anonimity can, and undoubtedly does, play a huge factor in how people behave online vs. real life. Since I am the same person in both arenas, I want to believe that many, if not most, people on this site are the same. I do accept that may not be the case. Thank you for your qualification on the hidden agenda thing. I certainly have none, and don’t think I have come across differently? I just wanted info, that’s all.
God be with little Caylee, wherever she is.
Comment by glp — October 21, 2008 @ 6:06 pm
This blog has become so brutal that I want to leave!
That however is exactly what the hit squad of assasins want! They are interrupting our opinions in effort to influence those who might be reading or those who have comissioned them to influence.
If they are independent posters than why do they not find a “Caylee is Innocent” strand to connect with more educated and civil boarders! Maybe the Glosslip should create one!
Think they would find a home there? NOOOOOO!
They are the “lynch mob”! Why are they here 24-7 if they are so saddened with our opinions? There is a reason.
This blog is a court of opinion NOT law. I used to come here to find up 2 date info on the case and hear other logical opinions on the matter (not illogical ones).
I definately did not come here to be influenced with the speculative! Being patronized for forming a logical opinion is just insane! I have to scroll down this page thru too much debate as of late!
Moderators???? Is it thought that the games of a few are paying for the bills? Why are they allowed to continue to banter?
Comment by ms — October 21, 2008 @ 7:42 pm
I am a new poster and maybe a bit naieve I guess (sarchasim)!
God Bless Caylee, wherever she is!
My cousins, brother in law noticed how “saddened” I was when I wrote the letter above. He noticed how uneducated I was when writing down my thoughts then called me a moron!
Many think that I have a hidden agenda but I am just a noob! I am going to join Padilla in the search after I take a quick vacation.
I can’t believe all the intollerance and harshness that is going on here (as I continue to push a stick into the cage)! I think maybe I am just too nice.
Comment by ms — October 21, 2008 @ 7:49 pm
Getting back to the Anthony Case – wordpress is reporting that Cindy Anthony was paid $5000.00 for her interview on the Today show. However, we know
that news stations dont pay for interviews, however
they do pay for licensing fees, usually for use of family photos etc.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 21, 2008 @ 8:32 pm
ms:
Not to be crappy, but it’s pretty odd of you to complain about having to wade through “too much debate”…when you’re creating posts that really have nothing to do with little missing Caylee, and everything to do with what you believe this blog should be about and/or how we should run it.
We don’t have mods here. We have Dawn and I. Dawn is the boss lady and we both write on it. Now, Dawn and I are both wives and mothers. Dawn has been very busy with Technorati stuff and her own life. I know my schedule can be crazy…this week, I’m not going to get to post much because of my schedule involving my kids. My kids and my family come before this site, and I’ve always said that if this site started interfering with that then I’d quit the site.
Having said that, we simply do not have time to wade through a zillion posts and read every single word, trying to find agendas and such. We catch what we can and hope that if something is really bad that a poster will point it out or email us and tell us about it.
And I’m sorry, but if you think this one post and its replies is “brutal”, then there are some corners of teh interwebs you’d definitely do well to stay away from. I’ve seen some messageboard threads and replies that would curl your toenails. This thread is like a Sunday walk in the park compared to some things I’ve seen. This thread isn’t brutal, some parts of it just aren’t what you want to read.
It’s the internet. This isn’t Miss Manners’ Charm School. Sometimes people act in ways we would not. Sometimes people do and say stupid things. It’s just the way it is. We can’t control how people think and their thought processes and what they post about any more than we can control the Earth’s orbit. It doesn’t mean that you have to participate in stupid behavior…often ignoring it (don’t feed the trolls) is the best policy. Now, if there is a definite threat or an obvious (or even not so obvious to the general reader, but to Dawn and I as admins) attempt by a poster to manipulate people via multiple usernames and such, and we can prove that sufficiently to ourselves, then we take action. But just differing opinions, sometimes even strong emotions…not enough for us to freak out about it.
And like I said…as long as people aren’t threatening each other, I’m not going to silence anyone’s opinion or their right to voice it. Plus, we are two people who are attempting to juggle this site and our lives as well. I’m sorry, but my kids are more important than spending my day reading each and every syllable of each and every reply looking for something that might possibly offend someone else. We do what we can.
Not trying to be “brutal”, just stating facts.
Comment by k — October 21, 2008 @ 8:51 pm
K
Regardless of your time you are well aware what is going on here.
I can appreciate your lecture, I am a big boy and am not above criticism. Let me give you a bit of insight though. I am being sarchastic with my response regarding the continued lectures we are hearing from a few.
As you know, you have already expressed your concern regarding trolls and the monster keeps growing heads. One goes away and another appears.
They are badgering & redirecting so others can’t make logical conversation or form logical opinions. I have been on many boards and most moderators identify the trolls, warn them then zip e’m out of cyberspace when necessary.
I guess the point that I was trying to make in sarchastic / reverse psychology fashion was taken the wrong way by U.
I hope the others understand my intention. And yes the dialogue is becoming BRUTAL! 441 posts is what counts right!
Just stating the facts.
Now back to the Casey Anthony case! Really!
Comment by ms — October 21, 2008 @ 10:02 pm
Yes, you’re right, on many boards the mods do zap the offenders to the great beyond. On some boards, people just do as they like with no moderation. I had noticed things were not right (via my crystal ball) a while ago, but for several reasons I decided to give them “enough rope”…one of which, frankly, is that my life is nuts right now, as in very busy. I mean to do things and forget or I just don’t notice them to start with. And it was fairly obvious that the poster in question was fooling very, very few people here…so, again, I was trying to give them some rope before making the final cut, so to speak. Maybe that was wrong, I don’t know.
I’m sorry about the lecture, but I read it as very serious (and likely a way some people might feel). In the future, you might want to make the fact that you’re being sarcastic a bit more clear.
And it might come as a shock to some people, but I definitely don’t do this for the money. 400+ posts counts to me when the majority of them do contain items of interest in this case.
And no…I am not “always well aware” of what goes on here. Sometimes I am, sometimes I’m not.
Comment by k — October 21, 2008 @ 10:14 pm
Thanks K
I wish you well always!
Comment by ms — October 21, 2008 @ 10:36 pm
Cindy and George will be on the Today show in the morning.
Comment by Lou — October 21, 2008 @ 11:07 pm
Are we back up and running?? Lol
Comment by Jeff — October 22, 2008 @ 3:21 pm
Good job D & K………..Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Comment by Jeff — October 22, 2008 @ 3:22 pm
will the posts we sent while the site was down come up? or are they gone into cyber space forever?
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 22, 2008 @ 3:38 pm
Sadly, no Elaine, they were lost
.
Comment by D — October 22, 2008 @ 3:42 pm
I saw the Today show, and I do feel for the Anthony’s. There is way too much pressure for them not to say that Caylee is dead regardless of the evidence.
Casey’s defense depends on that possibility. Even if they were willing to face (accept) the realistic possibility of Caylee being dead in the trunk, it’s to their advantage and to Casey’s advantage not to admit this.
It might not be healthy, but I think that is just the way things are and will be at least until after the trial.
They are between a rock and a hard place.
Comment by Karen — October 22, 2008 @ 4:09 pm
OK, I watched the Today show interview of Cindy and George Anthony today and it was really painful to watch. I understand their wanting to believe Caylee
is alive, but Cindy’s old tired arguments are getting even hard for her to repeat. I felt sorry for George.
Its like they are repeating what they have said
but dont really believe it. They are not serving their cause by bringing up Casey’s name. Saying
Casey is innocent really inflames people, its best
for a good PR move, to just talk only about finding
Caylee and not mention Casey at all. As to the tip
line, they have installed their own. The Sheriffs
office hasnt given them any tips since August because
there havent been any tips in 2 months. Now with
their installing their own tip line, they will
be in for every crackpot in the world to call them up
with a bizarre story. I read some more on this new
attorney. He lost all three cases that he tried,
two were death penalty and one I think got a long time in prison. Not a great track record to recommend him.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 22, 2008 @ 4:43 pm
wftv.com is reporting that the sites that Casey searched were not where to buy chloroform but how
to make chloroform. Apparently there are hundreds
of sites with chloroform “recipies” on how to cook
it up. I also had heard once from Padilla something
about young adults using chloroform during sex.
I cant find anything on the net about such a practice
it doesnt seem plausible to me. Anyone ever heard about such a thing? In any case, that wouldnt explain
the high levels of chloroform in the car. Also the prosecution can make a case for her wanting to make
this substance rather than buy it as hiding her trail.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 22, 2008 @ 7:55 pm
Responding to post # 375:
And others who mentioned my use of tough love with my son. He is now 43 years old, owns and operates his own trucking company under his own authority. I spent a good deal of time the past four days working with him on collections due his company, and making payments on accounts for him. The kid hated me when he was 12 years old and sitting in jail because he was an obnoxious rotten kid. The MAN he has become considers his Mom one of his best friends, and by the way, he raised his child by the standards he knew his Mother tried to raise him by ( except there was interference), and his child is ow 18 and a very responsible young woman. And to the one who comment that I am now open to become a target in as much as I wasn’t the perfect Mom with the perfect family.. Yeah, I know, and I am accustomed to being shot down for my failures in life.
Comment by Marica — October 22, 2008 @ 8:33 pm
Responding to post 379:
SHOOT me … again! I had occasion to know someone who was in Hillsbourough County Florida (Tampa) Jail in the past. I would guess county jails each have their own system, but in Hlsbr Co jail, there was a % of each deposit take off the top if an inmate OWED the jail. Inmates were charged for all sorts of things, including an Aspirin if they went to the infirmary. I certainly would not deposit money in an inmate account of they were not going to receive full benefit.
Response to post 390:
Nancy repeats the same thing over and over because there is nothing new.
Response to 397: NO NO NO NO.. I didn’t read the whole thing. WHAT, would be the point. It is pretty easy to figure out who is posting after about the first sentence… and I see no point in reading the same stuff OVER & OVER.. dang.. why doesn’t SYBIL just call herself NANCY!!!
Comment by Marica — October 22, 2008 @ 8:42 pm
Did everyone hear about the defense attorney being able to interview the towyard employees and tony lazarro. Wftv has it in there article that these 3 have something in common?…… They all had access to Casey’s car.
Comment by Lou — October 22, 2008 @ 9:13 pm
Interesting possible senario for chloroform in Caseys car. Laundry detergent found in Casey’s trunk. If she had this detergent back there, and it contained bleach, and she applied hairspray while in the car, the combination could produce chloroform!! As always, I’m not saying this is why they found chloroform but it is a possible senario. The isopropyl alchol content in hairspray is enough to cause this reaction with common household powdered laundry detergents.
Comment by Jeff — October 22, 2008 @ 9:28 pm
It is quite possible they are interviewing the towyard guy to discuss the contents of the trunk.
Comment by Jeff — October 22, 2008 @ 9:30 pm
Elaine,
The only cross reference I’ve been able to find with chloroform and sex has to do with S & M practices. Something to the effect of both, withholding breath as well as unconscious sex. Sounds like a fascination with necrophelia. Disgusting, but..thats what I am reading.
Comment by Jeff — October 22, 2008 @ 9:37 pm
Common Jeff that is IMPOSSIBLE what you posted.
Can we please get REAL -= you posted that if she
had laundry detergent which had bleach in it
in the TRUNK and she sprayed hairspray while in
the CAR she could produce CHLOROFORM? Ah, I dont
THINK so. First of all she doesnt USE hairspray
thats obvious from looking at her – as many young
adult women do not, second why would she spray her
hair in the car – and third how could the hairspray
from the car (I assume the window were all rolled
up too especially against that summer heat in florida)
interact with a dry detergent or even a bottle of bleach in the trunk. You need to read how to make
chloroform again. Jeeze – make an argument, but
it has to save some basis in reality!
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 22, 2008 @ 9:43 pm
last sentence should read “it has to have
some basis in reality”!
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 22, 2008 @ 9:45 pm
Having said that lets ponder for a moment WHY use chloroform – thats a more interesting question.
I suppose if she wanted to kill Caylee she could have strangled her – or suffocated her. Why use the chloroform? Im trying to figure out what the
police know that we dont about the use of the chloroform in a murder one case. The charge
of aggravated assault which ends in death
(and chloroforming Caylee even just to knock
her out to go party) would be aggravated assault
which ending in death is still murder one. How
do the police make a case for premeditated murder using the fact Casey chloroformed Caylee?
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 22, 2008 @ 9:48 pm
Well Elaine, I guess you’ve tried this experiment before? All I said is it is a possibility. The required elements are there. As to the likelyhood???? I never expressed that I believe this is what happened. You however seem to have proof that this cannot work seeing your reaction.
Comment by Jeff — October 22, 2008 @ 9:51 pm
Jeff, Yes I also heard something from Padilla
about the use of chloroform and sex that had
to do with S&M but that wouldnt explain why it
was in the trunk along with evidence of a decomposing
body
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 22, 2008 @ 9:52 pm
I dont believe she murdered Caylee. Accidental drowning in the pool maybe but not murdered. The evidence and statements seem to point towards an incident with the pool. I don’t feel chloroform played any part in this.
Comment by Jeff — October 22, 2008 @ 9:53 pm
yes Jeff I have proof what you described as a
scenario cannot happen. Ive been lugging groceries in my trunk of every variety and shape for years
including having spilt bleach, milk and just about anything else you can name in the trunk over the years. I have to say milk is the WORST to get the smell out (except for maybe a dead body) never had one of those thank heavens! And I think many other people have had breakage, leakage, etc and I can BET you that no one has inadvertantly produced chloroform
unintentionally.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 22, 2008 @ 9:56 pm
If Caylee was drowned in the pool – then why
the use of the chloroform? Lets go on the assumption
that Casey due to her computer records looked up how to make chloroform and made it. Why was it in the trunk of the car? Did she drug Caylee and throw her in the pool?
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 22, 2008 @ 9:59 pm
Children die from accidental drowning hundreds
of times every year – Caylee was drawn to the pool
it was a simple explanation if it really happened?- why would Casey cover that up?
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 22, 2008 @ 10:01 pm
I think the real question is the amount of chloroform found. If it were traces, I do think it is possible. You can create all sorts of deadly gases by accidently mixing household chemicals.
Comment by Jeff — October 22, 2008 @ 10:01 pm
Unfortunately, there are countless records of people accidently killing their children. The majority of these cases hid the bodies in fear of repercussions.
There would be no reason to use chloroform if she intended on drowning Caylee. In fact, it would be a dumb move because upon autopsy, they would be able to tell, by water content in lungs as well as laryngospasms, Caylee’s state of consciousness before being thrown in the pool. I think with the evidence that exists, you could make an argument that Casey used the shovel to hold Caylee underwater but the more likely scenario would seem to point to fishing her out of the pool with it. I do believe they found chlorine on the shovel.
Comment by Jeff — October 22, 2008 @ 10:07 pm
Elaine and Jeff- I read that those documents will be available to the public soon so we may not have to wait too much longer to see exactly what they have as far as evidence. Maybe with this next batch of discovery Jeff may change his tune.
Jeff – it has been reported that there were significant amounts of chloroform.
Comment by Lou — October 22, 2008 @ 10:12 pm
jeff- where did you hear they found chlorine on the shovel?
Comment by Lou — October 22, 2008 @ 10:14 pm
Not sure Lou, I’ll have to go back and check.
Comment by Jeff — October 22, 2008 @ 10:17 pm
How to make chloroform:
CHLOROFORM CAN BE PRODUCED WITH A SIMPLE REACTION BETWEEN HYPOCHLORITE AND ACETONE. HYPOCHLORITE CAN BE FOUND IN POOL SHOCK AND BLEACH AS SODIUM OR CALCIUM SALTS. THE REACTION IS HIGHLY EXOTHERMIC, SO THE REACTION MUST BE KEPT COOL TO PREVENT VAPORIZATION OF THE FORMED CHLOROFORM, OR WORSE, BOILING OF THE SOLUTION. THE FORMED CHLOROFORM IS CONTAMINATED WITH WATER AND SOME SALTS, WHICH CAN BE REMOVED BY VACUUM FILTERING AND DRYING WITH MAGNESIUM SULFATE.
Jeff does that sound like something you could
“make” by accidentally leaking something in your car
or with hairspray? I DONT think so
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 22, 2008 @ 10:18 pm
Jeff – i at one point thought Caylee accidently drowned and that she tried to cover it up because she was afraid of Cindy or what Cindy would think. But if this were true that she drowned accidentally I can’t see why Casey would be out partying?
Comment by Lou — October 22, 2008 @ 10:19 pm
new theory: Casey had a fight with her parents
and wants to go to Tonys, he says yes, but not with
Caylee – she drugs Caylee using chloroform and
leaves her in the trunk. Next day she finds Caylee
dead – she drives for over a week with the body in the trunk then disposes of it. Hence body fluid
and chloroform. Just a theory recently presented
If as presented its still murder one
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 22, 2008 @ 10:20 pm
I saw that too Elaine. She drove with her for 11 days with ther lifeless little body in the trunk. If this is true she is really sick!
Comment by Lou — October 22, 2008 @ 10:24 pm
Yes Elaine, I do think that traces of chloroform could be created this way, sorry. Jeez ya know, you would think that if Casey was in the habit of dosing Caylee with chloroform and putting her in the trunk, or just dosing her with anything on any kind of basis, she would show side effects ie.. hangover, lethargic. No one has ever said anything about Caylees typical mental state other than she was smart for her age.
Comment by Jeff — October 22, 2008 @ 10:26 pm
I mean 11 days with her lifeless little body in the trunk.
Comment by Lou — October 22, 2008 @ 10:26 pm
Jeff = what if it was the first time she tried to use the chloroform on her and it all went wrong?
Comment by Lou — October 22, 2008 @ 10:28 pm
None of what we are saying here is “typical behavior”.
Not typical of a good mom, an angry mom, a mom who never wanted kids, a mom who needs a personal life, ect…
It is not even typical of criminal behavior. Caylee survived her mothers bloodthirst to kill her for almost 3 years!!!
I strongly feel murder is out of the question here.
Comment by Jeff — October 22, 2008 @ 10:32 pm
The reports did say that at the time little precious Caylee went missing is when the chloroform searches were done.
Comment by Lou — October 22, 2008 @ 10:32 pm
WHO DOES THAT?? who uses chloroform on their kids?? I have never read about it anywhere online. Where does one come up with the idea..”Yeah..thats it….I’ll chloroform her so I can go party!!
Comment by Jeff — October 22, 2008 @ 10:34 pm
I’ve seen no such report so I wont argue that. Unless you mean news reports? If that is the case then those reports are unsubstantiated.
Comment by Jeff — October 22, 2008 @ 10:36 pm
Here is another theory -that Casey searched and made chloroform and also missing children’s sites because
she was planning on faking a kidnapping. She chlorformed Caylee and used too much and she died.
Then Casey made up the story about the nanny and started the cover up. Jeff it really doesnt matter
how Caylee ended up dead. It only matters that she
did and it was because of her mothers actions – whether her mothers intent was premeditated or not.
Because Caylee ended up dead due to her mothers treatment of her. That is actually more like what
I think the prosecution is going to use as their case.
Its still murder one
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 22, 2008 @ 10:37 pm
Did anyone else see that picture of a little girl
staring at a teddy bear in a noose? Its from an anti death penalty site in england – something to the effect why do people kill people who have killed people or something like that. How many bright 22 year old girls have that on their website? And have
escord service websites up and search for how to make chloroform which is the most significant thing
and look up missing childrens sites? You have to take
the TOTALITY of all these things – why are you ignoring them?
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 22, 2008 @ 10:40 pm
Jeff – we will see soon as they are going to release more discovery soon……… very soon!
Comment by Lou — October 22, 2008 @ 10:40 pm
I thought murder one involved premed? I agree the prosecution will push on child neglect, death resulting.
Comment by Jeff — October 22, 2008 @ 10:40 pm
How about her putting up a poem Everyone lies,
everyone dies – trust no one
Nails all in Casey Anthony’s coffin
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 22, 2008 @ 10:41 pm
Nope it would have to be aggravated assault ending in death. I dont think murder one has to always be premeditated, because you can make a case that the doer didnt have to plan it ahead of time. That it could be said to have been planned in an instant
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 22, 2008 @ 10:43 pm
Elaine,
I am searching for some thing to help me understand this. Now I do believe Casey did some prostituting. But generaly, there is no mysteryin what drove someone to kill. After all the evidence is heard, there is either a motive, or no motive. Sociopath or not, typical behavior influences everyone. Where is the motive? Wanted to party? Wanted to travel? These are not first case scenarios for Casey and she has passed this test time and time again. What drove her to murder this time? No one has been able to demonstrate this one as of yet (in my opinion) and this is where I am hung.
Comment by Jeff — October 22, 2008 @ 10:47 pm
Don’t mean to cut this debate short but I have to go. Gotta spend some time with the misses!! Good night all.
Comment by Jeff — October 22, 2008 @ 10:49 pm
Here is a link to “why do people kill people” that they found AFTER Caylee went missing.
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/casey_anthony_computer_report.pdf
don’t forget about those myspace messages between casey and cindy.
In Caseys message to cindy she said: “Everybody lies… Everybody dies.
Comment by Lou — October 22, 2008 @ 10:50 pm
Elaine,
The high level of chloroform was not created from a reaction by accident. Why? Because there was a search on her computer on “how to make chloroform”!
Meaning the chloroform was manufactured or purchased.
Plus when you go to the sites regarding, you will find that you need high quantities of bleach (like 5 gallons) to reduce the reaction to like a pint of pure chloroform.
Comment by MS — October 22, 2008 @ 11:51 pm
Jeff a lot of what you say simply makes no sense.
For instance “Unfortunately, there are countless records of people accidently killing their children. The majority of these cases hid the bodies in fear of repercussions.”
If these records are countless, how did you figure that those who hid them were in the majority? I think there is no data whatsoever to back this statements, nor to many of the statements you make.
Comment by Karen — October 22, 2008 @ 11:54 pm
484 Elaine,
I have heard that theory but why would she chloroform to fake a kidnap? I want to understand because many have said this.
Please elaborate a scenario.
Comment by MS — October 22, 2008 @ 11:55 pm
#493
BTW Elaine I should have started “Elaine, I agree”
The high level of chloroform was not created from a reaction by accident. Why? Because there was a search on her computer on “how to make chloroform”!
Meaning the chloroform was manufactured or purchased.
Plus when you go to the sites regarding, you will find that you need high quantities of bleach (like 5 gallons) to reduce the reaction to like a pint of pure chloroform.
Comment by MS — October 23, 2008 @ 12:11 am
Responding to Jeff post 477, 480, & 482:
477
I seem to recall that some at parties have said Caylee sometimes appeared to be lethargic.
480
You say she survived her “mothers bloodthirst” ….
I seem to recall a young Mother who killed tw little boys by drowning them while strapped in car seat in the rear seat of her car which she sent off into a lake.. another Mother who drowned all of her children in a bath tub.. (5 of them I believe) Mothers who do this sort of thing are often said to be attentive loving Mom’s and there have not been previous indications of mistreatment of their children.
482
Chloroform is often used in movies, so the idea isn’t something we haven’t all seen one time or another. Just because we have not previously hear of a parent using this chemical before doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.
Also Jeff, you talk of an accidental creation of chloroform. I have to wonder, if there is anyway that pool chemicals combined with something else could have created the chloroform traces in the trunk.
ANOTHER QUESTION:
The thing about chloride being found on the shovel…might we suppose the shovel was washed off in the near by pool after it was used. I mean if the child accidentally drowned in the pool wouldn’t the parents first reaction be jump in and grab the child.. not go to the neighbors and borrow a shovel to recover the body from the pool?
I still cannot imagine WHY Casey would re-search how to make chloroform, nor why she would use it on a small child. So many other ways to put the child to sleep. The Xanax, or maybe a little booze in some cool aid. This chloroform thing really boggles the mind.. at least mine!
Comment by Marica — October 23, 2008 @ 4:29 am
Response to Tann Post 382:
LOL… You are so wise…(Marica’s post about her son is suspect to me)…
There were many tears but not in the presence of my son.
You must be a total idiot. What I did was the right thing, and as a result, my son and I are very close. He KNOWS I did what had to be done in order for him to face the REALITY of his actions.
Most of us who post don’t write 3,000 word responses.
Uneducated… ROFLMAO!!!!
Comment by Marica — October 23, 2008 @ 7:23 am
Jeff asks “What drove her to murder this time?”
There is mention that Cindy had been seeing a counselor who suggested she throw Casey out. This might have been a first. Does anyone know if this claim is actual testimony or just speculation?
Comment by Karen — October 23, 2008 @ 10:51 am
The Today Show
I wish the reporter would have gotten the networks moneys worth when questioning Cindy. That was a weak exchange for sure and the reporter wasn’t prepared to Cindy’s obvious answer. For example…
Reporter:
“Cindy in your quiet time together, has it ever crossed your mind that your daughter may have done this?”
Cindy:
“Absolutely NOT! Casey is a great daughter & mother yada, yada, yada”
RIGHT THERE she should have said…
Well we have all seen much evidence (audio, video & written statements) that show you felt otherwise before the initial arrest.
WHY THE CHANGE?
Other great questions…
What were you and Casey arguing about the night before she left?
Do you feel that the police are actually framing your daughter?
Who searched for chloroform & missing children sites on your computer? Not u? Lee? George? You don’t know (aren’t u curious)? Do you find it odd that this happened before the terrible mishap?
Talk to the nation about this Zenida! Tell us what you know! SHE IS MISSING TOO!
You were unaware that Casey was fired from Universal 2 years ago? What do you think she and your grandaughter have been doing everyday?
George, you said in statement that you did not like the smell in the car? Why was that so important for you to say?
Comment by MS — October 23, 2008 @ 11:17 am
I think that there were probably guidelines as to what Meredith could ask them. I believe that this was what is called a “soft interview”. They dont want
it to seem like an interrogation, especially as I dont believe that they would agree to it. Nancy
Grace had a list of things that can be purchased
if you have money in your jailhouse account and now
it seems Casey has over $200.00 in that account,
but she declined to purchase anything. Most of what
is offered are foodstuffs and I guess you can only
order once a week. wftv.com reported it. I bring it
up only as to what might be Casey’s state of mind.
Its quite possible now she is shifting into a depressive state. Its so isolating and her parents
stated its too much of a media fenzy to go see her,
also calls are recorded and could be made public,
so apparently they dont plan on going to see her.
Once she spent 6 hours a day in her lawyers office, I think that was just to get her out of the house – she probably spent that time on her computer. Now Baez
comes for very short periods of time and not every day. Maybe, just maybe, she will come to the realization of what she is in for. Even if she were not convicted of first degree murder, she still is
going to spend time in jail for the lessor charges,
plus she faces jail time for the check fraud charges.
Maybe she will confess and say it was an accident.
Regarding Cindy’s statements – I cannot understand why she makes absolute statements like she does.
Im referring to the statement she made that Caylee
will be found before the trial. It just makes it
worse for them (as it did when they stated Caylee
would be home for her birthday) when it doesnt happen.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 23, 2008 @ 12:59 pm
Elaine,
Maybe it is because they truely believe Caylee is alive. I think it is reasonable to believe they have information that Le does not have. As far as questioning why Casey researched chloroform in any capacity goes. Think of the things we have all researched online. I’m sure all of us has researched chloroform since this thing started. How many things have we researched before this? I don’t see this has “hard” evidence.
Comment by Jeff — October 23, 2008 @ 2:27 pm
Jeff – ok I understand their believing Caylee is alive, but its these statements that are so absolute
that they make – Cayleee will be home for her birthday in august Caylee or will be home now before the trial (whenever that is – who knows?) that I think
are misguided in stating. When it doesnt pan out
it makes them appear as if they are spinning the case.
I do look up a lot of things on my computer all the time. However, again, its the totality of what we have seen Casey doing that has to be taken into account. If Ive been looking up how to commit arson
and my house burns down – dont you think that is going
to be suspect? Or how to concoct a deadly poison
and my husand dies by being poisoned – same thing.
So yes, its hard evidence. You have
to connect the dots – Caylee is missing, her mother cant explain it, evidence of searching on how to make chloroform, residue found in trunk of mothers car –
decomp also found in trunk no explanation from mother where child is – lies, thefts, etc -you have to draw
the same conclusion that the police did and most of the professionals I have heard talk about this case.
Except of course DEFENSE attorneys!
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 23, 2008 @ 2:37 pm
I read that the prosecution can begin interviewing defenses witnesses next week. I dont get that – does the prosecution have the right to interview witnesses
before the trial? or did I read it incorrectly?
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 23, 2008 @ 2:47 pm
Discovery has to be provided to any and all sides in any trial. This is standard.
Comment by Jeff — October 23, 2008 @ 2:51 pm
Elaine,
Why would you pay top dollar for an exclusive with Cindy if you were going to allow her to control the conversation with the same delusional remarks that we could hear for free? Maybe they were just hoping for some sensational remark?
And it is obvious that Casey wasn’t doing simple research on how to make chloroform because they found the chemical in her trunk for some kind of use.
Not an accidental mixture because you need a mix of components, lots of ice and a cook to create high traces of the chemical.
Not from pool water inside Caylee because of an accidental drowning theory. Who would know other than a scientist that this could form a reaction and why the need to reasersh how to make regardless?
My theory is accidental. Casey was placed in the trunk under the spell of chloroform so that she would sleep while Casey was partying (prostituting) without interruption or scare from being in a trunk.
As far as motive goes??? Many people are killed accidentally or directly without motive. They were mad, angry, sick, crazy, insain…
I believe that Cindy wants to believe that Caylee is alive. Deep down there is doubt. If they do find her dead, it will be interesting to hear her response.
Pings will most likely place Casey (phone) at the scene of the crime.
Comment by MS — October 23, 2008 @ 2:53 pm
Ya know MS,
You promised me, uhm I mean said you would not respond to my posts anymore. I was kind of looking forward to this. Now you respond to my posts by answering to Elaine? I dont get it.
Comment by Jeff — October 23, 2008 @ 2:59 pm
Jeff, I am still waiting to read your source for evidence of your claim that “Unfortunately, there are countless records of people accidently killing their children. The majority of these cases hid the bodies in fear of repercussions.”
You know, hard evidence.
Comment by Karen — October 23, 2008 @ 3:19 pm
I don’t think people accidentally kill their children very often, and when they do, they call 911–usually an accident will not result in immediate death, but rather the treat of death (poison, etc.)
I still think the threat of Cindy not doing all of the work, paying the bills, etc. caused her to panic and she made a decision to complete what she had been mulling around for some time.
She started searching for missing children in March and well the rest of the story is long and we all know the details.
Comment by sharebear — October 23, 2008 @ 3:28 pm
threat not treat.
Comment by sharebear — October 23, 2008 @ 3:29 pm
I’ve done the research to substantiate my claim. If you are that interested in it, research it yourself. I’m sorry but it seems anything I suggest here that does not involve Casey malitiously murdering her daughter causes me grief. I present evidence that could create reasonable doubt and I get the firing squad of denial that swears nothing could prove what they believe is false. I will stop posting here soon and do what I can to search for a dead Caylee. I’m sure this comes as a relief for some of you. I have tried to do what I can to show the potential for reasonable doubt without a body but none of you will have it. That is fine, you are not on the jury thank god. It just shames me to know that people in this country can take media reports and other questionable sources and decide guilt by it. Clearly I dont see Casey as innocent but I could never cast judgement without all the facts. In my short time here, I have seen you hang Casey, convict Cindy, assume Lee as incestous, and both love and hate George depending on what comes out of his mouth. He speaks against Casey at GJ. Makes him admirable and respectable. He states “Caylee is still alive”. He has to because the defense needs him to. Try looking into a mirror and listen to what you folks here are spouting. I have made some suggestions, not all of them were reasonable. I admit this, but it was in an effort to show potential areas of reasonable doubt. I’m told I can’t straddle the fence. I have to pick a side. I tell you until all the evidence is out there, NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO PICK A SIDE!!! This is what our justice system is supposed to be. Innocent until proven guilty. Only a jury can make this choice. Not the media, not LE, not you or I. So with that being said, continue till your hearts content to cackle like a bunch of hens if it makes you feel better but I can’t be part of this silliness anymore. For those who may be interested, I will post images of areas me and my fiance searched and whatnot on my myspace site. I have provided the link in earlier postings.
Comment by Jeff — October 23, 2008 @ 3:49 pm
Elaine, this is so funny. I am hearing an echo from someone that I refuse to acknowledge NE more.
I think I was clear and direct in addressing and agreeing with things you have said. NE way I enjoy reading your perspectives…
Elaine,
#505
Why would you pay top dollar for an exclusive with Cindy if you were going to allow her to control the conversation with the same delusional remarks that we could hear for free? Maybe they were just hoping for some sensational remark?
#503
And it is obvious that Casey wasn’t doing simple research on how to make chloroform because they found the chemical in her trunk for some kind of use.
Not an accidental mixture because you need a mix of components, lots of ice and a cook to create high traces of the chemical.
Not from pool water inside Caylee because of an accidental drowning theory. Who would know other than a scientist that this could form a reaction and why the need to reasersh how to make regardless?
My added thoughts…
My theory is accidental. Casey was placed in the trunk under the spell of chloroform so that she would sleep while Casey was partying (prostituting) without interruption or scare from being in a trunk.
As far as motive goes??? Many people are killed accidentally or directly without motive. They were mad, angry, sick, crazy, insain…
I believe that Cindy wants to believe that Caylee is alive. Deep down there is doubt. If they do find her dead, it will be interesting to hear her response.
Pings will most likely place Casey (phone) at the scene of the crime.
Comment by MS — October 23, 2008 @ 2:53 pm
Comment by MS — October 23, 2008 @ 3:56 pm
STATISTICS ON REPORTED ACCIDENTAL DEATHS OF CHILDREN:
Approximately 3500 children under the age of 5 die by accident each year. A touch over 4000 children between the age of 5 and 15 die accidentally each year. In other words the accidental deaths of children in the U.S., hovers around 7500 each year. About 1000 of the under-5 infants die in car accidents, 800 by drowning, roughly 300 through ingestion, about 200 are poisoned, close to 1000 are burned, about 150 fall to their deaths, and about 50 die via firearms. Between 60% and 70% of these children are boys and the vast majority of these accidents occurs in or around the victim’s home.
END
Now, I could find nothing on the net about
unreported accidental death of children covered up by their parents – anyway if they are unreported and the child disappeared I assume the parents were charged with murder! or am I wrong Jeff?
Also Jeff, you know what you are faced with her.
Im sure we all appreciate your having a differing opinion -its not fun debating with your own team!
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 23, 2008 @ 4:05 pm
Jeff,
Everyone has the right to think and make decisions.
Innocent until proven Guilty is the right Casey has within the Judicial system.
Outsiders do have the freedom to think what they think, be it yay or nay. Once it goes to trial, the People of the Jury are only going to listen to the evidence presented in that Courtroom as will they listen to only the defense provided in that Courtroom. All biases people (among others) will eliminated accordingly and will not hear the proceedings.
I personally have never heard of a situation where a person had accidentalyy killed there children, gone on with their lives as if they had never been there in the first place, been arrested, and sat in Jail silently.
For the sake of argument, if such did happen, would not a loving mother be so overcome with grief? I just don’t see anything logical or even way out there to justify her actions and the findings which have been presented to think anything else.
If I was presented with the something, I would listen and give it consideration. I personally did not come to my conclusion instantaneously, nor do I make any of my decisions lightly.
Comment by sharebear — October 23, 2008 @ 4:43 pm
To Sharebear – that was very nicely expressed.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 23, 2008 @ 4:55 pm
Thank you.
Comment by sharebear — October 23, 2008 @ 4:56 pm
Jeff,
Being told that you are wanting to have your cake and eat it to is an observation. It does not compel anyone to do anything. However, there are consequences to being a fence sitter since Casey’s innocence does not exist in a vacuume.
There a several/many people who post here and there are differing views- As I’ve said, I am against the death penalty, I don’t want Casey to hang, guilty or not. I have protested the hair DNA as being evidence of incest as it is not. I think there is no reason to believe Lee or the family was involved with that and I have expressed this. While delusional, I think Cindy and George are victims.
I do have a right to pick a side as well as express to express it. It’s a benefit of being an American.
And I do not think it is silly to ask for evidence to substanciate a claim.
One can learn quite a bit when challenged. You can learn what not to say without evidence, what arguements hold up etc. How to better present your position in order to influence someone. How to spot a weakness in someone else’s arguement.
You are taking this personally instead you could use the experience to your advantage and development.
Comment by Karen — October 23, 2008 @ 5:14 pm
I do no (at this time) believe Casey killed her daughter with intent. But I do believe she knows how her daughter died. I believe Casey should be held accountable for the death. Murder? Maybe… more info needed for me to believe Caylee’s death was intentional.
Jeff… NO, I have researched CHLOROFORM before
since this information came into the picture.
I asked before, if thee was any chance that pool chemicals could be involved. It was an honest
question because I have no clue.
Jeff:
I am sorry that you feel you need to leave, as I have found your input interesting and accurate.
I have ever felt that you were in support of or against anyone involved. Your thoughts have always been practical and unbiased, therefore I feel your
post are some of the best here.
Is this not a discussion of possibilities?
There is a great number of people who believe Casey
murdered her child, but all of these people are concluding this by reported information.
From the moment the Anthony case became public,
my sister insisted the Mother (Casey) was guilty
of killing her child. There was then and still is
a lot of information we do not know.
Jeff, as I have told you before, I have helped in searches for missing children, but never one where
the child was presumed killed. I am not sure I
could deal with that.
Comment by Marica — October 23, 2008 @ 5:20 pm
Jeff my sister still has belief that Caylee might be alive – I havent convinced her yet,but Im working it.
There are myriad beliefs out there where this case is concerned. Its so strange people get caught up in it!
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 23, 2008 @ 5:30 pm
Its being reported today that Baez is going to try to get all the evidence taken from Casey’s car thrown out. They didnt say on what basis – but they inferred
it was possibly because of the length of time that
it sat in the Amscot parking lot abandoned or
the tow yard unattended. I doubt he can do it.
Both those locations have video cameras monitoring
the parking lots and the tow yard is gated and is
extremely secure. Theorizing that he will try to say
that the car was tampered with while unattended.
If they cannot get the evidence thrown out – their next strategy might be trying to convince the jury
that someone messed with the car. It seems awfully
foolish to think you could get people to believe
that someone unknown is carrying a dead body around to throw in indiscriminate car trunks. And to what purpose? The car was unlocked while parked at
Amscot and Casey’s purse was on the front seat and
no one took it!
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 23, 2008 @ 6:27 pm
Plus, if she has such a reasonable explaination, what would the evidence matter?
Comment by Karen — October 23, 2008 @ 7:04 pm
Responding to post 521:
Excellent point Karen
Comment by Marica — October 23, 2008 @ 7:20 pm
Hey, does everyone remember how Baez and Todd Black
said about 2 weeks ago that they were going out of state to interview a man they finally had contacted who had a picture of Casey, Caylee and the babysitter?
Of course nothing ever came of it, again I cannot understand them making these statements that come
to absolutely nothing. What is their point???
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 23, 2008 @ 8:09 pm
People can and do pick sides all the time. We all have to make choices in life, from what we’re going to wear to what we’re going to eat for lunch to how we feel about this or that situation. Choices and opinions are an essential part of life. We must be willing to hold firm beliefs as well as being flexible enough to see other sides or even change one’s opinion.
Sometimes people’s opinions do not jibe with other people’s opinions. That’s okay as well, as long as it is done respectfully and in order.
I think every one of us here needs to remember that in this country, we can have our own opinions. We all need to respect one another’s thoughts and opinions on this very sensitive matter, even if we hold very different ones.
Comment by k — October 23, 2008 @ 8:11 pm
Ok folks, I’ve put my wha wha sissy pants reaction aside for a moment.
I have a question for all.
Why do you suppose LE constantly leaks information to the media?
Comment by Jeff — October 23, 2008 @ 8:35 pm
Assuming of course that is is LE doing this.
Comment by Jeff — October 23, 2008 @ 8:40 pm
Hmmm that is a very good question, Im in
L.A. and we had a ton of leaks in the OJ case,
both from LE and also from all the people that knew the Simpson and Brown families. The Jon Benet Ramsey case also a constant string of leaks from that department. Id really like to hear some thoughts
on why LE does this because I believe that they do leak. I always thought it was to possibly get people who had information to come forward.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 23, 2008 @ 8:54 pm
test
Comment by Jeff — October 23, 2008 @ 9:08 pm
sorry…could not submit anything for a second!
Comment by Jeff — October 23, 2008 @ 9:09 pm
What do we have for actual evidence that has not been leaked to the media?
Please let me know if I miss anything here.
Witness interview transcripts.
recorded witness interviews.
Recorded interviews with Casey lying to police.
Jail visits recorded as well as telephone recordings.
911 recordings.
Cell phone records.
Comment by Jeff — October 23, 2008 @ 9:13 pm
IM Messages
Comment by Jeff — October 23, 2008 @ 9:40 pm
Tomorrow they will release forensic tests I heard
on NG tonight. Apparently for discovery, maybe it will
make the case clearer. On Nov 8th they are expecting around 4000 people to search in Florida – incredible!
I dont believe there is a body left -but maybe they will find some clothing or remains. They keep showing a clip of Caylee at the table where she is singing You Are My Sunshine. I cry every time I see it.
She puts the red tablecloth over her face because she
gets shy when her grandmother says something to her.
I cannot stand to think of her buried somewhere or in the depths. If Casey is proved to have murdered that little girl I hope they give her life in prison.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 23, 2008 @ 9:56 pm
Without parole
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 23, 2008 @ 9:57 pm
If Casey is guilty of murder, she deserves far worse than life in prison. I am a firm believer that we should make better use of our death row and lifer prisoners. I support medical human testing in these cases.
Comment by Jeff — October 23, 2008 @ 10:01 pm
Correct me if I am wrong but information “released” to the defense is public record. So are the “leak” conspirators proper when claiming this?
Comment by MS — October 23, 2008 @ 10:28 pm
The Amscott
Casey abandoned the car there, then lied to others about her dad having it towed and repaired. Her testimony on the smell along with others will not allow the evidence to be dismissed. The only chance the defense has would be to prove that the evidence was tampered with after.
Comment by MS — October 23, 2008 @ 10:35 pm
MS – The defense has claimed, at times, that media received the information but they did not. Hard to say how true this is, or how rampant. But certainly I have heard claims of “leaks” which were clearly official releases of information.
Comment by Karen — October 24, 2008 @ 12:13 am
Its true that if LE releases the info, its not a leak.
What I dont get is what the strategy is to show your cards before hand as they do by releasing all this info. Unless its under discovery, I thought it
would be better to keep as much as possible under wraps. But Im sure there is a lot that we havent
been told. Im very interested in knowing what those forensic reports will say. They are supposed to be released Friday.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 24, 2008 @ 12:32 am
It sounds as if the defense has been requesting information that they are due based on the charges beginning with neglect.
Once released to the defense the media has access as well. As you know this is a case that has captured everyones attention and the media is on top of their jobs to get the info out!
Then as a tactic, the defense cries “leak”!
Comment by MS — October 24, 2008 @ 12:37 am
Clearly something is amiss with all this “discovery in the media” stuff. The defense would have no problem getting all this information sealed. The indictment could have been sealed. No judge in his right mind would deny this upon request seeing the media frenzy and the fact that an “impartial jury” will need to be found. Very strange.
Comment by Jeff — October 24, 2008 @ 1:56 am
Response to post 540:
Jeff, I have wondered about an “impartial jury” from day one. This case has had national attention from the very beginning. Where in the world can there be 12 impartial people?
Comment by Marica — October 24, 2008 @ 4:29 am
Lol! Solitary confinement in a max prison!!!
Kind takes “jury of her peers” to a whole new level!!
Comment by Jeff — October 24, 2008 @ 7:08 am
I like many other people feel Cindy Anthony is guilty of obstructing justice.If you agree with us please sign the petition. I am posting a link to.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/make-cindy-anthony-accountable-for-her-actions – 100k –
Cindy Anthony should not be allowed to act and do the things she has. She should be held accountable. Help to make sure that happens.
Comment by Fergie — October 24, 2008 @ 11:48 am
All online websites from Orlando have published the
forensic results. Briefly from what I read:
Conclusion: human composition found
in the trunk of the car – hair samples found to be from Casey or Caylee with decomposition. Odor analysis consistent with decomposition. Amounts
of chloroform found in the car high enough to be tested. Listed as “large concentration” of chloroform.
There was chloroform found on the carpet in the trunk
as well as compounds characteristic of decompositional events. A hair on the shovel did not
come from Casey or Caylee.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 24, 2008 @ 12:00 pm
As to change of venue – there will probably be a change of venue to a “rural area” of Florida. Thats
not good news for Casey. Florida unlike California
which is pretty liberal, is a conservative state.
Florida and Texas carry out executions fairly often -in California, I cannot remember when we had
the last execution. Im against the death penalty.
However, I believe, the more rural the area, you will
find people who dont know much about the case for jurors, but who will have a much more conservative view about life. Sympathy for Casey, her lifestyle and her lies to the police, will not sit well with
older more provincial jurors, in my opinion.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 24, 2008 @ 12:08 pm
Fergie…OMG!!! What is your issue??? You are advertising a petition to have charges filed against Cindy Anthony? On what grounds? This is absurd!! Casey has not even been tried yet and a petition is out there to charge Cindy. PUBLIC OPINION SHOULD NEVER BE USED TO PRESSURE LE!!!!!
Comment by Jeff — October 24, 2008 @ 12:08 pm
In light of post 543, I don’t think anyone can argue the point that this case is being tried in the media and is heavily influenced by public opinion. This is an outrage. This is the behavior I find appalling. Not that I think a petition has any chance of creating charges but who in thier right mind feels they are justified in doing this?
Comment by Jeff — October 24, 2008 @ 12:27 pm
Im against any kind of petition as well. I feel
this way about Cindy and George: how can they say
to themselves that Caylee is dead. Then they have no hope. Time will tell what happened to Caylee
as I believe she is dead and the forensic report just released confirms that, or, at the very least someone
was decomposing in the back of that trunk.
I believe that was Caylee. But Cindy is going to suffer when the realization that Caylee is truly gone
and Casey is convicted of murder and goes to jail.
Id say that was enough suffering for any one person
for life. Cindy does what she does because she
doesnt know how to handle all this differently. Shes
generally a combative type. You know, she always has
gum in her mouth – even on the Today show I could
see her shift it around when she talks. I thinks she
needs to chomp on something or go out of her mind.
Personality is such a big factor in who we “like”
or dont “like” when it comes to people in the media.
Cindy doesnt ask for sympathy, therefore to us she
is not sympathetic. At least thats the way I see her.
She kind of hits you over the head in her presentation
of thoughts and ideas – its why we dont like a “hard sell” salesman. She presents like we are all so stupid
and only she knows what is true. Thats not the way
to gain support and you see the result. People truly
dislike her as much as Casey.
Jeff as to this being tried in the media – all famous
cases are tried somewhat in the media. You have to
believe that when it comes to a trial, even if we were
called to be on this jury, that we would listen to the evidence and truly try to be impartial as we listened. If you dont believe in that, then you can
never believe anyone can get a fair trial which has
had media exposure. I happen to believe that most
people would do their honest best to be impartial
if called or ask to be excused.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 24, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
Interesting I just read there were no fingerprints
found on the shovel.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 24, 2008 @ 2:05 pm
Call me CURIOUS:
I had to check out the petition link.
At this time there are 443 people whom have signed it.
Here is copy of what the petition calls for:
We, The Undersigned, plead with Orange County; State of Florida,
to make Mrs. Cindy Anthony Accountable for her Actions pertaining
to the Disappearance of her Grandaughter….Caylee Marie Anthony.
She has Tampered with Evidence, and has completely Obstructed the
Investigation by Law Enforcement regarding the Case of her Daughter,
Casey Anthony.
Sorry, but I don’t understand the purpose of this. It would seem if there were reason for charges to be filed LE would do that without prompting from the public.
Comment by Marica — October 24, 2008 @ 4:24 pm
MS – #439,
There is really no good reason to mock someone for a prayer for the little girl we are all professing to be concerned about. You can think what you want about me, and mock me if you must, but I am sure K & D can assure you that I am not part of the team of posters that everyone here so vehemently dislikes. You may dislike me as well, but not for being “one of them” if you believe that ‘they’ were ‘one.’
I have humbly asked God to bless Caylee nearly from the first time I posted on this site, at which time, if you care to look back, I wanted Casey HUNG for murdering her daughter. I do, however, agree with JEFF, that at least with the information we do have, there is doubt that can be cast, and that is all the defense needs to do to hang a jury. I am sure there is MUCH we have not been made privy to that will be pivotal in the prosecutions case, and I anxiously await that information.
At this time, I still hold out hope that Caylee is alive, but I am afraid there is little hope at this point to hold on to. I am leaning toward an accidental death at the hands of her mother at this point, but will wait for all the evidence before I cast my final vote.
There are a lot of things you can, and probably should be sarcastic about on this site, but there is just no reason to mock a genuine – whether you believe it to be or not – prayer for God to be with Caylee, well, unless you don’t believe in God, I suppose, but that’s on you. It’s just sad, pathetic, and uncalled for.
Comment by glp — October 24, 2008 @ 5:35 pm
Elaine –
Someone a number of posts back (too lazy to look back) asked you to elaborate on the chloroform/kidnapping scenario… I am interested in your thoughts on this also.
It makes some sense to me that Casey might have been attempting to fake Caylee’s kidnapping to extort money from her parents, perhaps. I suppose she might have drugged, or chloroformed Caylee to get her to wherever she was going to have her held captive? (maybe a stretch) And Caylee died accidentally from the chloroform.
Do you have any other ideas about this scenario? Other theories about kidnapping?
And if Casey was planning to fake a kidnapping, wouldn’t someone else have to have been involved?
Comment by glp — October 24, 2008 @ 5:39 pm
to glp I can only tell you that this theory I believe
was first brought up by Jessie Grund at least that is what I recall. Frankly, I too thought it had some merit. Another reason why Casey would not want to speak about what really happened. Casey was desperate
for money. Amy was coming back, and she was going to
be found out to have taken the money so there was a lot of pressure on her. The thing is, that even if it happened that way – its still aggravated assault
and child abuse resulting in death and I believe she
would still get life in prison. Even if Casey comes
forward now and admits and accident she is going to go to prison for a very long time.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 24, 2008 @ 7:40 pm
glp – I don’t believe MS was mocking prayers, she was mocking the Sybil posters who used this phrase.
When I first read that I had to do a double take and I wondered if perhaps someone was just signing MS because the comments on post #439 were out of character for her previous posts.
Comment by Karen — October 24, 2008 @ 8:39 pm
Ok…This is what I have been talking about. This is supposed to be right from the “official report”.
Chemicals in air samples were “consistent with a decompositional event that could be of human origin”.
This is the kind of crap that is not going to fly in court. If she is guilty of murder, they will need to find a body for a conviction. They, for whatever reason, are not even certain if the hair sample belonged to Caylee. This circumstantial evidence is enough for a Grand Jury indictment but there is no way it is enough for a murder conviction.
Lets hope that if there is a body, the massive search taking place next week recovers it. It will be essential to this case. We are leaving tonight for Florida but I am not expecting to find anything. Can’t hurt to look though.
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 8:50 am
Quick question. If any of you were to search for Caylee, where would you look and why? I’m studing maps and cant seem to pin down best search areas.
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 11:36 am
Jeff – these comments “consistent with a decompositional event that could be of human origin” are from a scientific lab and the language used is consistent with the way that scientists and research academics speak. While is sounds wishy washy, it is actually quite a powerful statement.
Comment by Karen — October 25, 2008 @ 11:43 am
There is nothing powerful about “could be of human origin”. The court will need a percentage of probability on that one. Scince that info was not provided, my assumtion is that percentage is 50% or less. I would be the defense will counter with..”could be from dead squirrel”.
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 11:52 am
I would bet. Sorry
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 11:53 am
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/1024/17794795.pdf
These are the lab reports. Carbon tetrachloride is mentioned as being found with human decomposition but a note is included that it is not found in “select animal remains.”
Not sure what they mean by select since I’m not a lab person but this is not a report full of “crap.” The defense will have their work cut out for them to dispute this.
Comment by Karen — October 25, 2008 @ 12:27 pm
In 2008, a study of common cleaning products found the presence of carbon tetrachloride in “very high concentrations” (up to 101 mg m−3) as a result of manufacturers’ mixing of surfactants or soap with sodium hypochlorite. (bleach).
Dont think the carbon tet will amount to anything.
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 12:41 pm
Sounds like laundry detergent to me.
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 12:42 pm
I’m sure in a controlled enviornment, the air sample tests are accurate but Casey Anthony’s trunk is far from that. Air samples will not stand up in court. It is to easy to dispute. Please tell me they have more than this.
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 12:44 pm
Jeff, these tests are not the only evidence, just a piece of the overall puzzle. They add weight to the position of some type of homicide by Casey. It’s just a piece.
Comment by Karen — October 25, 2008 @ 12:49 pm
I understand this Karen, but the air sample should be tossed out which means, it will not add weight. Also, anything uncertain like a strand of hair will be tossed out as well. It goes back to what I’ve been saying. The concrete evidence that exists is that Casey has lied, and no one knows where Caylee is.
At least admit that in light of the evidence provided, they will need a body to convict of murder.
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 12:55 pm
Jeff, do you have any background in science?
Comment by Karen — October 25, 2008 @ 1:06 pm
Some yes. Mostly medical. Why?
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 1:10 pm
Pharmacology.
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 1:11 pm
They absolutely will not need a body to convict her!
This is only one piece of the puzzle not the whole
thing. First of all, lets get real here how much do you think is left after all these months of a 3 year old child weighing what? 30 pounds? What do you think
they will find? They arent looking for soft tissue
that is gone – the most they can hope for are BONES.
small skeletal remains – thats it. You are talking high water concentration, alligators, all kinds of creatures, birds, swampy vegetation. There is no
BODY – maybe some remains! But thats it – and I dont
count on the remains. You know the criminal justice
system is called that because a lot of time its
justice for the criminals – LOOPHOLE mentality thats
what you have to have when you are a defense attorney
look for the loopholes! Thats what they are doing.
I just picked this up from wordpress:
The FBI reports released are not all of the trunk evidence, many reports are still missing such as soil samples, maggot testing etc. but from these 34 pages here is what it states…..Caylee died and was placed somewhere first (doll house) and after the decomp process started; Caylee was placed in an air tight container such as a plastic bag and decomp started to break down the destruction of cells and organs due to an aseptic chemical process. When the body’s cells reach the final stage of autolysis, an anaerobic environment is created, that is, an environment wherein oxygen is not present. This allows the body’s normal bacteria to break down the remaining carbohydrates, proteins, and lipids. The products from the breakdown create acids, gases, and other products which cause volatile organic compounds (VOCs), and putrefactive effects. VOCs are produced during the early stages of human decomposition. This is the exact decomp the FBI lab found in the trunk which means that Caylee was dead 2.6 days before the decomp juices leaked in the trunk.
Chloroform: Pure form, not from making it. No acetate or alcohol found. Page 29 “conclusions”. Clearly states Chloroform abundant and not associated with normal decomp.
Test proves someone cleaned the trunk of the car; some surmise from George’s statement that Cindy forced George to go to work on July 15, 3 to 11pm shift; that it was Cindy who cleaned the trunk. Cindy did admit removing all the items from the car and to washing the clothes and the knife.
The neighbors shovel that Casey borrowed on June 18; DNA of the hair on the shovel does not match either Caylee or Casey. No latent prints. The hair was on the label of the shovel. No biggy means nothing. Casey probably tried to move Caylee from the doll house and thought of burying Caylee then figured it was hard work and lazy Casey returned the shovel. Left Caylee for one more day in the back yard per the dog decomp hit.
Looks like Casey had been dousing the trunk with gasoline to remove decomp odor as the report has a large amount of Gas in the trunk.
PIZZA: There is no mention of the bag the empty pizza box was in. Analysis of the bag and outside of the bag must be on a separate report! There was no pizza in the car, rotting or otherwise! (Page 21-22 of the report in the pdf file) Previous reports from Cindy of a decomposing pizza being found in the trunk ARE NOT TRUE. The pizza/empty box was found in a plastic bag that had been removed from the car and thrown near the dumpster at the Tow Yard– report not released. The Body Farm did a pizza test. One of the early docs said there was a partial piece of crust that is all the evidence on the actual pizza. FYI maggots where on the outside of the bag not inside.
Frankly Jeff – the above is not ‘CRAP” is a detailed
analysis of the evidence that is going to be highly
impressive to a juror. Also the defense doenst have
to prove anything just defend against it, however,
they must at least give an alternative explanation
for these events – and they have NOTHING.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 25, 2008 @ 1:12 pm
Why would there be evidence of a decomposing animal IN the trunk? Casey commented about an animal being on the grill perhaps. But who puts on in the trunk and can’t remember why? Does anyone know if the text messages to Amy about the smell came before or after the gas can incident with George and the trunk?
Comment by Karen — October 25, 2008 @ 1:15 pm
Elaine,
Do you have the formal PDF that says this?
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 1:18 pm
Casey claimed dead squirrel on frame of car. (Underneath). Trunks are not air tight. If something is rotten in your trunk, you will smell it in your car and vice versa. I dont buy the dead suirrel created smell theory but they may try to use it.
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 1:21 pm
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/…46622.htmlpage
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-documents-102408,0,5346622.htmlpage
Jeff FBI and other reports are available at orlandosentinel.com wftv.com wesh.com and others.
Jeff, you cannot really believe that a dead squirrel
caused this horrible smell. Also squirrels dont crawl
up into cars – doesnt happen. Cats, yes snakes,
yes – usually to keep warm. Its pretty hot in Florida.
This is exactly what I mean about picking everything
apart from evidence presented but not presenting one
logical alternative reason. Do you WANT Casey to
get off for killing her kid becaues they cant find
her poor little body? Well, I dont. I still feel
that along with her behavior, the continued absence of
Caylee who could not leave on her own volution,
PLUS forensic evidence that they will convict her
without the body! They found skeletal remains
of Lacey peterson (her head was gone) no cause of death. Scott Peterson waits on death row. I dont
know if they will press the death penalty, but unless
the defense can come up with some pretty strong
reasons for Caylee to be missing she will be found guilty. Also in that report above, if that were
true, Cindy could be prosecuted for being an accomplice in the covering up of a crime. Even
though she admittted to washing the pants – which was smart of her – she didnt lie about it. She knew
the smell of death – and I believe she surmised
right then that Caylee was dead.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 25, 2008 @ 1:34 pm
I just posted the links but everything disappeared
that I just wrote! oh well, try again
go to orlandosentinel.com and wftv.com or wesh.com
they all have the info
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 25, 2008 @ 1:36 pm
The report also states “no fluorinated compounds detected”. Decomposing bodies traditionally give off these compounds due to our drinking of fluorinated water. FBI speculates that it might not be detectable is Caylee’s case due to her young age but not tests have been done on young cadavers to confirm this. Fluorinated compounds are what they feel cadaver dogs hit on when searching for a body. This could possibly suggest also that the decomp they are picking up is animal decomp due to lack of this compound.
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 1:40 pm
I found it Elaine, thank you.
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 1:41 pm
Elaine,
Where would you search for Caylee’s body if you had the chance? I’m sure you’ve poured over this evidence. We are leaving for Florida tonight and I’m studying maps of “pings” but cant seem to nail down a “most likely” spot.
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 1:45 pm
Here is something else you have to consider – and that is testimony from not only her friends but her parents as well. Unless they are ready to perjure themselves one of the most damning things is going to
be the lack of credible tips. The Anthonys have made
a terrible mistake putting in their own tip line. They
cannot claim now that the police didnt follow up on credible sightings of Caylee. As the months pass and still no Caylee – the presumption of the forensic
evidence plus the testimony of her behavior and lack
of calling in to police initially is going to be
extremely potent and credible evidence against her.
The Anthonys would have been better served to leave
the tip line with the police. Now they will be called
regarding credible sightings and they will have nothing. Also Todd Black said almost three weeks
ago someone took a picture of Casey, Caylee and the
“babysitter” at the park – where is this picture?
Not another word about it because none exists.
They also have to give out for discovery as well
to tag it as evidence. I think frankly, Baez is way
out of his league. Yesterday Baez said that nothing
in the test info released shows that Casey did anything to Caylee and we should all go look for
Caylee. What I want to know is – Look where?
He is just not a very good attorney – you dont
make a statement like that. People just look in disbelief at that statement and what comes into their minds is – ask your client where she is!
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 25, 2008 @ 1:58 pm
There is no doubt, the situation does not look good. Baez cannot make it look good. He should probably just stop talking to the media at this point. If he has a picture of the babysitter, I doubt he will show it to the media. I dont think he can by law. I would assume he would announce it but nothing as of yet.
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 2:05 pm
Does anyone else here have that feeling that a huge “OMG” is coming up soon? It just feels like something no one has realized is going to pop up. Evidence suggests murder but there is something huge missing.
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 2:08 pm
Jeff I havent a clue where to search. The thing is,
I dont beleve there is a “body” left. Its not logical
to assume that there is one. She only weighed 30 pounds or so. There cannot be any soft tissue left the most you can hope to find are bones, or maybe scraps of clothing. But if you had a choice of where to look Id say near Boggy Creek where several witnessess say they saw someone come out of the woods with a shovel or the swampy area near Orlando Airport. However, I personally believe that if Caylee is anywhere to be found she is in the landfill covered under tons of garbage by now. I do not believe
that Casey buried her. Too risky. Much easier to throw her in a large dumpster especially the night before they pick up the garbage.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 25, 2008 @ 2:14 pm
Thanks Elaine. I do believe if she is dead, she will be found. Not sure what my chance are but I know what to look for. Generally, (and not to get too graphic) but animals and insects will have consumed all but bone and clothing. Bone has a tendency to stand out amongst nature. It is usually the brightest object seen. With 4000 searchers coming on the 8th, I have high hopes that she will be found.
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 2:45 pm
Imagine, just last year Ragan Kendall (prostitute) was found in a trash bag just 3 miles down that same road. (Boggy Creek Road)
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 3:27 pm
Speaking of prostitutes – here is my theory on what
Casey did during the two years her parents thought she was working. There were a lot of escort service
websites on her computer. I think she worked as a prostitute or “escort” some of the time and sometimes when she couldnt get Kristina or the Grunds to watch Caylee, she took her with her on these “dates”. She gave Caylee xanax or cold medicine to knock her out while on these dates but as the amounts she might have given the little girl varied perhaps Caylee would wake up at an inopertune moment so Casey (being a big movie fan)thought about using chloroform rather than a drug to put her “out”. I know this is far fetched so dont yell at me. But how in the world can
anyone explain where Casey got even gas money or food
for Caylee during the day when she was supposedly
out working. We are talking two years! We know
she went to the Grunds, to Ricardo Morales and
also to Kristina her friend and crashed for a while
but she still had to have gotten cash from somewhere.
I think she worked as an escort, possible not
in Orlando maybe in other surrounding towns. So why
the websites with escort services? Im sure the police
have checked those out, at least I hope they have.
Just a thought.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 25, 2008 @ 4:18 pm
Elaine,
I agree with the “prostitute” theory as well. Not so sure on druging Caylee but if you listen to the call casey made to her family from jail, she is talking to lee and say’s “I was at universal” he says “were you working? or were you there for fun?” she says “uhm, I was there but it was not fun.” lee replies “oh, gotchya”. then subject changed. I think lee was aware she was escorting.
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 4:26 pm
Elaine,
#578
If there truly was a picture with merit, Baez would have released it in effort to have the nation on the lookout for the missing Zenida! ie; Here is the Zenida we are looking for…
#581
I don’t think the landfill holds Caylee but possibly some clues. The reason is why would she be creeping around the swamps near the airport if she dumped her in a can somewhere?
Comment by MS — October 25, 2008 @ 4:39 pm
The prosecution is planning to put Casey away for a long time regardless. She is too immature to understand consequence period. The death penalty is the only thing that could push a plea.
Baez could advise her… 20 years in jail or Death before you turn 28? This way Baez could negociate the terms. I bet she would not want to admit guilt and that won’t fly. She would have to plea insanity and that is really not true but I bet the LE would allow that, thus putting her in a home for the sick & demented not a prison.
Comment by MS — October 25, 2008 @ 4:50 pm
Also, this new defense attorney has 2 clients on death row. Meaning that he is not able to see the value of life when representing thus gambleing with scumbags life. Or he is not able to communicate with clients in effort to negociate an acceptable plea?
This Baez “daydream team” is going to fail! His best move (right now) professionaly, economically and in the best interest of his client should be to stay out of the courtroom.
Or he will be known in the professional circles to be the guy who killed a client.
Comment by MS — October 25, 2008 @ 5:01 pm
Jeff,
7 yr old Amanda went missing 9/11/98
Willie Crain Jr. was convicted of
murdering Amanda Brown in
Hillsborough County, Tampa Florida.
Amanda’s body was never found.
It is believed Crain disposed of the
body by placing it in crab traps in
Tampa Bay.
So yes, in Florida, one can be tried and
convicted of murder although no remains
have been found.
Comment by Marica — October 25, 2008 @ 5:29 pm
Marica,
I agree, they can convict in Florida without a body. I just don’t feel they have enough in this individual case to do it.
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 8:55 pm
Marica,
This is why they were able to convict in the Amanda Brown case. UNDENIABLE CONCRETE EVIDENCE.
Seven year old Amanda Brown was discovered missing from her bedroom when her mother went to check on her at 6:00 am on September 11, 1998. She stood 4′4″ tall and weighed 45 lbs. She had scars on her forehaead. Amanda was last seen wearing a blue and white nightgown.
Amanda’s mother, Kathyrn Hartman met a 52 year old man by the name of Willie Crain Jr. at a bar. Two evenings later Crain invited Kathyrn and Amanda to his trailer. She recieved a phone call and when she hung up she realized that Crain had taken Amanda into his bedroom and closed the door. She found Amanda between Crain’s legs and Crain’s arms wrapped around her. He was drunk. She seperated the two and went home. Crain followed her, he wouldn’t take the hint to leave, and laid down in their bed. Kathyrn took a valium for her back pain and fell into a deep sleep.
The next morning Crain and Amanda were gone. Her body has never been discovered, but police suspect Crain, who is a commercial fisherman by trade dumped her body into the bay where he set his crab traps. Police discovered blood consistent with Amanda’s DNA along the toilet rim and on tissue in the toilet at Crain’s trailer. Crain had served more then six years in prison beginning 14 years ago for raping five girls, all roughly Amanda’s age.
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 9:09 pm
The jury doesn’t need UNDENIABLE CONCRETE EVIDENCE, what it needs is evidence BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. “Reasonable” is the key here. And it will be based upon all the factors. Not just a single air test.
While the defense doesn’t have to PROVE innocence I do think they are going to have to come up with some other plausible explanation for Casey’s actions.
A mother not speaking out about the absence of her daughter creates a reasonable believe in her guilt right off the bat. This is not a friend who went missing, an ex, a man from the trailer next door, it’s HER DAUGHTER!!!!
That is a very unique relationship that has a great bearing on the emotions of any juror. Just look at the public.
The circumstantial evidence coupled with a mother not reporting her daughter missing makes up for the absence of a body, although I admit it would be much better to find it.
Comment by Karen — October 25, 2008 @ 9:54 pm
Guess we will see….Gotta run. Packing right now. We leave at midnight!! I will check back in here on Halloween. Spending the first 5 days with my fiance’s parents. Talk to all of you then..Take care!!
Comment by Jeff — October 25, 2008 @ 10:01 pm
I just had a look at a Nancy Grace clip discussing the DNA with a scientist working for the defense.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2008/10/25/ng.dna.results.cnn?iref=videosearch
He does not seem to be refuting that the hair has evidence of decomposition. He does state it might not be Caylee’s, but he did not dispute the claim that the evidence proved a dead body in the trunk with mitochondrial dna the same as Casey and Caylee.
Interesting if the defense is willing to at least admit that.
Has Jose Baez piped up yet to say this was out of context yet?
Comment by Karen — October 25, 2008 @ 10:42 pm
How apropriate for Halloween! Lizzie, that tops the “most brutal post” list! UR insane!
Lizzie Borden had an axe! Gave her boarders 1000 wacks!
Sybil & Lizzie!
I so appreciate & respect those who have claimed in writing that they are preaching to make a point! Why?
What is your agenda? Philosophy? Games like…
What if tomorrow never came? You can’t prove that it will! Scientific study shows that there is no air on the moon but can they prove that you can’t breathe out there? Has anyone actually tried to take their space helmet off while on the moon? Until then we can’t be 100% sure, can we? Any one who does not agree with me is judgemental!
They have made suggestions to create doubt stating that those suggestions were NOT reasonable. What planet are you all from?
Thank you all for leaving by the way!
Comment by MS — October 26, 2008 @ 2:14 am
The post by Lizzie is very interesting. Im sure it will go down in mental health history where the multiple personality disorder patient actually was aware of their other personalities and what they were doing! For Linn, the patient (Ill use her name as she was first to post) to know what Lizzie,Deb,Tann,Tom and all the others think and do while they have control of her is astounding! Its one for the record books thats for sure. In any case I dont care! However, I would still like one of her personalities
to post as I feel its good to have an opposing opinion. My point has always been to be honest and post under one name – not pretend you are a bunch of different people to help bolster your argument.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 26, 2008 @ 11:39 am
Re: post 595:
Not one of the many ??? … yet 1,228 words of protests/explanation. TOO MUCH!!!!
Comment by Marica — October 26, 2008 @ 12:02 pm
Re: post 590
Jeff, didn’t mean to come off in a argumentative fasion, only pointig out that conviction is possible in Florida although there is no body.
I agree there is need of more evidence, as no doubt there is.
I remember the Amanda Brown case as I lived in Tampa at the time. There was a trace of blood found in Crain’s home determined to be from Amanda, and other things which I have forgotten.
To this day Crain professes innocence.
I pray the search area will allow searchers to cover more area.
Good luck Jeff… I hope you don’t find remains.. and I mean that… I hope Caylee is alive and well and she will be found soon.
Comment by Marica — October 26, 2008 @ 12:17 pm
Thanks K and D. I didn’t want to feed the troll!
Comment by Karen — October 26, 2008 @ 2:25 pm
In regards to the decomposition reports – Todd Black, a spokesman for Casey Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez, said the evidence does not link Casey Anthony to any criminal behavior.
“There’s nothing in those reports that links Casey Anthony to any wrongdoing with her daughter, Caylee,” he said.
So, I wonder if they are going to try and refute the science, or just say it doesn’t prove a link to Casey.
Comment by Karen — October 26, 2008 @ 2:52 pm
The chain that links the evidence to Casey is that
its HER car. Here are the links – Casey is missing.
Her mother doesnt report her missing. Her grandmother
reports her missing and has to force Casey by calling the police. Casey cannot provide information as to where Caylee is. Casey lies to the police. Casey
searched for sites on chloroform and missing children.
Casey is arrested. Caseys car shows decomposition of
a dead body and large traces of chloroform. Factual
evidence of this is found by the FBI and the respected
Body Farm. Four months later no trace of Caylee. Casey still will not speak. No credible tips or sightings of Caylee. The chain ends with the only
conclusion – Caylee is dead and Casey Anthony is responsible for her death. There is no other conclusion. Dont forget, Casey is Caylees mother
and was the last person who had her. She is responsible for her disapperance if nothing else.
She KNOWS what happened to Caylee. Caylee was not kidnapped. There is no evidence of kidnapping.
If you were a juror what would your conclusion be
as to where Caylee is if not dead or kidnapped?
That is my point. Caylee has to be SOMEWHERE. There
is not one scintilla of proof she was kidnapped
or even ever had a babysitter. Not one thing – not
a real name, or a face, or a phone number or an address. What rational person would think she
was kidnapped? So, with even just the little forensic
evidence they have coupled with the above, what
would your conclusion be?
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 26, 2008 @ 3:45 pm
In the 1958 Scott case that I have previously posted on which was held up on appeal, there was no body,
no forensics – nothing. However, there was a chain
of events, coupled with a motive (money) that led
to Mr Scott being convicted. He got life in prison.
No body of Mrs. Scott was ever found. It can
be done – I frankly think that she has no chance
whatsoever of acquittal as this is an extremely strong
case that the State has against her.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 26, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
Re: post 601
Elaine
Agree with all points. No doubt the prosecution will have others we don’t of. I cannot imagine an acquittal based on information the public has been given.
Comment by Marica — October 26, 2008 @ 4:06 pm
What about something like, Casey was involved in prostitution and drugs. She owed someone money. The planned on chloroforming them but it all went wrong and backfired on her and someone killed Caylee and put her in Casey’s trunk.
That might be a defense. The only problem with this is, one would have a very hard time pulling off such a carefree persona.
Anyway, I guess I am only wondering at this point if the defense will concede Caylee is dead before the trial and try to raise doubts that it was Casey, or if they will maintain that Caylee is alive.
Seems to me it would be better to admit the child is deceased.
Comment by Karen — October 26, 2008 @ 4:18 pm
Re: post 604
Karen,
It seems to me, an admission that the child
is deceased, would mean telling what happened.
And as others have said, even if this was an
accident, it still leaves Casey responsible to
some extent in the death.
Like you, I cannot imagine how Casey can appear
to have so little concern if Caylee is dead.
Unless there is proof of (discovery of remains) Caylee’s death I would bet the defense will
continue to claim she is alive.
I keep wondering how long this will drag on before
going to court.
Comment by Marica — October 26, 2008 @ 8:44 pm
Its a very interesting point about how long we will go before a trial. The Anthonys insist Caylee will
be “home” before the trial for Casey starts. As
Nancy Grace keeps harping on – why hasnt Baez
asked for a speedy trial? I would think that
they would want her trial to come up soon. For sure
she wont be tried for the murder charges until
sometime next year – there just isnt time. What
sad holidays it will be for the Anthonys. And where
is Lee all this time. We havent seen or heard from him
once since Casey was indicted.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 27, 2008 @ 12:34 am
Re post 606:
I would guess there are more than just Casey,
Cindy, George and Lee who will be affected
by all of this through the holidays.I haven’t
hear mention of other family members but would
think there would be more family members.
No doubt people working the case are affected.
As for Lee, maybe he is playing this as low key
as his Mother is making such a total fool of
herself. It still seems that there is something
missing from this whole horrible thing.
Someone KNOWS something that isn’t being reveled.
Lee seems close to Casey and I have to wonder
about that. When he spoke with her on the phone,
it was as if he knew her mind without having her
tell him some things.
Comment by Marica — October 27, 2008 @ 1:46 am
I was on wftv.com and they had a report about the FBI
tests, but what was more interesting to me is that
they are going to release the info on more than 5000 tips that the police received. And guess what?
Most of them were from psychics! The Anthonys
have installed a new tip line and I guess we now know
who will be the majority of people calling in. I always found it very strange that they had so many tips, now we know why.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 27, 2008 @ 12:34 pm
As with all of you, I have thought a great deal about this case, and I keep coming back to the issue of Casey’s nonchalant behavior in the days and weeks following the “disappearance” of Caylee. I think this is a CRITICAL issue in thinking through this case.
The way I see it, her behavior can only be accounted for by 2 possible scenarios:
1) that Casey truly is suffering from a severe manifestation of antisocial personality disorder and cannot be held to any normal standards of conduct, or
2) that she knew/knows that Caylee was/is alive, and felt reasonably sure of her well-being.
Obviously, if Casey is a sociopath, then we can’t apply any logic or ‘normal’ standards of conduct to her behavior. In this scenario, I suppose the worst is possible, that she murdered her own child in cold blood, with no remorse. Her only possible defense being some far-fetched, made-up story intended to cast a shadow of doubt on her involvement in Caylee’s death. Or she could plead insanity, I suppose. Whether or not it would hold up is another issue altogether.
In the other scenario, if she did something with Caylee that at the time, allowed her to feel reasonably sure that Caylee was ok, then I suppose that could account for her overtly casual demeanor in the days following the disappearance of her daughter. This would mean that either Caylee is alive and Casey knows where she is but doesn’t tell because she doesn’t want to be held accountable for giving away her daughter, or human trafficking, or child neglect, or whatever the charge would be. In this scenario, she doesn’t fear the murder charge, because she is being told that without a body, she won’t be convicted. (??) Or, she did give Caylee away, or sell her, and now wants her back, but has been told if she comes forth with any information identifying the person(s) who bought or took her, that they will harm Caylee, so as to keep their identities safe.
Far fetched, I know. But in my mind, I just can’t come up with any other scenarios that make sense of Casey’s behavior following Caylee’s disappearance.
If Casey IS of reasonably sound mind and loved her child AT ALL, but accidentally killed her (i.e. the drugging/chloroforming her so that she could party/escort/etc., or any of the other accidental scenarios presented – drowning, etc.), she most certainly would have shown some signs of guilt, grief, despair, fear, anguish, etc. Even if some of the reported jealousy over Cindy’s relationship with Caylee or animosity for having been made to keep Caylee did exist, most likely those would have not been motive enough to murder one’s own child, again assuming Casey was of sound mind.
So the way I see it, although my previous assessment was that if Casey did kill Caylee that it was probably accidental, that just doesn’t make sense when I think it through.
Her behavior after Caylee’s disappearance leads me to think that one of only 2 possible scenarios are present: 1) she is a sociopath, or 2) she knows where Caylee was/is and has some reason that I can’t fathom for not divulging this information.
I AM VERY INTERESTED IN ANYONE’S THOUGHTS ON THIS…
God be with little Caylee, wherever she is.
Comment by glp — October 27, 2008 @ 2:47 pm
# 585 – JEFF/ELAINE
I also believe Casey was escorting/prostituting. That is how she managed to have at least a little money from time to time, allowing her to continue to deceive her parents into thinking she actually had a job. Where she actually went during the times when she was suppsoed to be working is another issue, but she could have gone anywhere away from home, and they wouldn’t have necessarily been the wiser.
Also, I DEFINITELY think Lee knew what she was doing, and I believe that jailhouse conversation between Casey and Lee that you mentioned is proof enough of that, for me at least.
Comment by glp — October 27, 2008 @ 2:50 pm
to glp – My thoughts are this – sociopaths dont show remorse, or feel guilt. There are several other personality disorders that also fit Casey, but even
though they are not classified as “mental illness” though of course they are, they cant be used for an
insanity defense. Casey’s “affect” has always been
off. She is cold to the extreme in her answers to the police, speaks in a monotone and lies very very smoothly. This is a 22 year old girl. Sorry if I offend anyone but at 22 years old you are still
a girl to me. Its extremely unusual for someone her
age to be such a practiced liar and thief. You can
see in the videos of her cashing checks and buying
things using the stolen checks. Utterly relaxed.
Thats very significant as I see it. This girl has
gotten by in her life by lying – a lot. I take her
as a person that has no conscience. To Casey
that is normal, not to us. She stole Amy’s checks
AFTER Caylee when missing. If she sold Caylee,
she wouldnt need money – that is another factor.
Also if she gave Caylee away, she is still responsible for her death if someone else killed
Caylee, so thats another significant thing.
Also if she “gave” Caylee away, she still has to have something very wrong with her, because she still
didnt fell any remorse or guilt. If she gave Caylee
away, and she knew Caylee was safe – then why wouldnt she confess it? Even if Caylee couldnt be found,
at least she would face a lessor charge and not
murder and the death penalty (if indeed they make
it a death penalty case) Again doesnt make sense.
If Casey killed Caylee “accidentally”, I still think
by this point she would have confessed it to make a plea for a lessor charge. Why wont she confess?
I think because she thinks she is going to get off.
I also think that Cindy cleaned that trunk out
and washed everything when she got the car back
including Caseys pants, and the knife because she
suspected that Casey had killed Caylee. Cindy is
absolutely not tellling the truth. I guess many people can excuse Cindy because its her daughter.
I think George as well knows Caylee is dead. The washed dinner knife was significant to me being
in the car as well. You can dig with a knife, you wouldnt need a shovel. The defense is now going to
concentrate on the forensics – they are going to spin
on the reports being to thin – trying to take away
from the evidence of the circumstances. That might
work for some of the public, but its not going to work with a jury. Also Casey Anthony is one of the least sympathetic figures in any case I have ever seen
involving a mother who killed her child. That coldness
will spill over to the jury as well.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 27, 2008 @ 3:34 pm
I understand that sociopaths don’t show remorse of feel guilt, and that if Casey gave Caylee away or sold her, that even to do that, she would likely have to be suffering from some personality disorder.
I guess my question is, IS THE CONCENSUS, IF THERE IS ONE HERE, THAT CASEY IS A SOCIOPATH WHO MURDERED HER DAUGHTER IN COLD BLOOD?
I would like to know exactly what YOU (Elaine) think happened. You seem to be the most avid poster here, and have done your fair share of research on this case. WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENED?
Are you saying that you think Casey ACCIDENTALLY killed Caylee, AND she is a SOCIOPATH, thus accounting for her behavior afterwards?
I just want someone to put the pieces together as best as possible, and give me a solid theory on what happened. I know we don’t have all the facts, but with what we know, WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENED?
Comment by glp — October 27, 2008 @ 3:44 pm
I think Casey like Susan Smith and also Diane Downs
and many other women who felt their children were an obstacle to their lives probably had an unconscience desire to get rid of Caylee. Things were coming to a head in her life. She had been for the past two years
on a crazy cycle of pretending to go to work and was
spending her days doing something (possibly as an
“escort”) and leaving Caylee where ever she could –
with Kristine, or Ricardo or the Grunds and her parents. She was desperately trying to hook up with some guy so she could start a relationship and
so she could leave her home. I think thats why she went with so many guys at once. She had stolen
from Jessie, not a large amount and we dont know what
else she did – maybe shoplift. Cindy went to a therapist who told her to throw Casey out of the house
and apply for custody of Caylee. Casey couldnt have
that because she would be cut off from further funds.
I think then is when she started to think about maybe
a “kidnapping” plot to extort money from the Anthonys.
Casey seems to be a big fan of the movies. I think
that is where she came up with the idea of using chloroform. I also think that she had previously
used xanax or an over the counter cold medicine to knock Caylee out when she took her to parties. Casey
searches websites and makes chloroform.
On June 15th Fathers Day, Cindy found out that Casey
had stolen from her own grandparents. There was a huge fight. Casey wanted to go to Tony’s, her new boyfriend and spend the night and he said she could come – but without Caylee. Then either Casey knocked
her out with the chloroform deliberately or it was an accident. That no one can know unless Casey were to
confess. In any case Casey goes to the trunk and finds
Caylee dead. She returns to her parents house but
before she does she makes many phone calls trying to reach her parents to make sure they are at work.
She was unable to reach them. She backs her car into the driveway and takes Caylee’s body out and moves
the ladder and puts her in the pool thinking she would float and then say it was an accident. Caylees
body sinks to the bottom of the pool. I think then
the realization hit her that the body would have no water in the lungs and she took the body out of the pool and wrapped it in a plastic bag and put her back in the trunk. She borrowed the shovel to break the shed lock and steal the gas cans and left. She forgot to put the pool ladder back leaving it propped up against the pool. She then drove around for days with the body in her car and finally disposed of it somewhere. Some like Padilla think that when she pulled the body out of the pool she used the shovel
she had borrowed and buried the body at the Anthonys
and then came back to get it later. That explains
the cadaver dogs hitting in the yard. I do not believe
Casey ever buried the body in her parents yard
and I have no explanation for the cadaver dogs “hitting” in the yard. After she disposed of
Caylees body, either by throwing it in water or burying it by the airport or Boggy Creek – she just
puts the whole thing out of her mind and starts living with Tony. Of course, her sub-conscience
she cannot escape from. Tony gave evidence that Casey would wake up at night in a cold sweat from nightmares. Yes, Im sure she had nightmares.
I wonder if she still has them?
Anyway, Im sure my scenario is full of holes,
that I cannot “plug up” either, but thats bascially
the gist of what I think happened.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 27, 2008 @ 4:43 pm
FROM wftv.com today TRIAL SET FOR FEB 9 2009!
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — Eyewitness News was the first to find out a trial date has been set in the case against Casey. She’ll be tried for first-degree murder on February 9 and the case is going to be expensive, especially if it’s moved out of town.
Most likely, the trial won’t happen at the Orange County courthouse. No one can say how many 10s of thousands of dollars the investigation has already cost. Moving the trial could put taxpayers on the hook for tens of thousands more, maybe even for Casey Anthony’s defense.
Even if accused killer Casey Anthony does not have to fight against a death sentence, her trial for the murder of her 2-year-old daughter Caylee could last two weeks. That would mean two weeks’ worth of hotel room bills for the judge, court deputies, prosecutors and at least a few investigators.
“A change of venue adds expense across the board,” said WFTV legal analyst William Sheaffer.
Hotel rooms at between $100 and $125 a night. Any travelling witnesses will add to the cost, plus $36 a day for meals and 45 cents a mile for transportation.
Casey has hired private Kissimmee attorney Jose Baez, but William Sheaffer said she still could ask taxpayers to pay her defense costs, even if one of them has received money for national news coverage.
“There are a number of transactions that you can engage in in order to make sure that the money doesn’t go directly to Casey Anthony,” he explained.
Sheaffer said the defense will probably have to hire highly-credible and most likely expensive experts to refute the FBI lab evidence against Casey. It could cost at least $50,000. He said the judge would press her for proof she couldn’t afford it.
“It’s signed under oath, for what that means in this case,” Sheaffer said. END
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 27, 2008 @ 5:16 pm
About Le leaking, could it be that she has made his life misserable for years
and he knows the truth , and want her to get what is coming to her, since she has snowed her parents all these years, and caused havick in the household, a theif, Lier, just plaine looser, he might want her put some where where shc can’t hurt anyone else, he might be afraid she is going to skate like she has all her life.
Comment by Marilyn Van — October 27, 2008 @ 7:45 pm
Re: Post 613
Elaine,
What ever holes exist, Your scenario
seems sound, holes or not. I find no
argument with any of your post.
Whatever happened, little Caylee deserves
to have the truth discovered and to have a
proper burial if she is deceased, of
which I feel to be the fact.
Comment by Marica — October 28, 2008 @ 12:36 am
Re: Post 591
Jeff
I lived in Tampa at the time of the murder of Amanda Brown, and I am aware there was evidence that strongly linked Crain to Amanda.. I was only pointing out that in Florida it is possible to try for murder without remains. I must have misunderstood you earlier.
Sorry about that.
Comment by Marica — October 28, 2008 @ 12:56 am
#613 – ELAINE –
Your theory seems entirely plausible… I suppose it does contain holes, but it is impossible to completely fit the pieces together when we don’t have all the pieces yet.
Question –
Could the cadaver dogs have hit in the yard just based on Caylee’s body having immersed in the pool, then laid in the yard briefly while Casey manuvered her from the pool back to the car? The entirety of this case is beyond my comprehension, but I especially can’t believe Casey would have buried Caylee’s body in her parents yard, even temporarily. That would have been far too risky. I just don’t think she did that. I think she took the gas cans as a quick last resort when she realized that her faked drowning wouldn’t work. She thought of burning her body. But maybe she couldn’t do it, maybe she had a hard time thinking of disposing of her body altogether, which is why she drove around with her body in the car, until she couldn’t any longer because of the increasing smell. I know there is no good reason to believe this at this point, but I have to think there is a human soul inside Casey somewhere, that had at least some actual human emotion… ???
But to think of her driving around with her baby dead in her trunk… Jesus! How? The more I think about this case, the more nauseated I become. This is a horror of unimaginable proportion.
God please let this baby be alive somewhere.
God be with little Caylee, wherever she is.
Comment by glp — October 28, 2008 @ 9:01 am
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Trial has been moved to January 5th with a hearing
on December 11th. The State of Florida requested
the earlier trial date to possibly put more pressure
on the defense. No word on if they will go for a death penalty case. November 5th she is due in to court for the bad check charges, no word if that is a trial date or just a hearing. Once convicted of the check charges she will be sentenced to prison. She
will then move from the jail to a prison. Does anyone know where the prison is and which one it is? She
will go into general population there until the trial.
This is all on the assumption she will be convicted
of the check fraud, and with the photographic and video evidence they have on her, I cant see how she can get out of it.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 28, 2008 @ 11:00 am
to glp – my suggestion is that you rent the 1945 movie Mildred Pierce with Joan Crawford. Considering
that it was made 63 years ago, its pretty much a manual on how to turn your child into a sociopath.
Its really quite amazing in some ways to what happens
when you try to give your child everything and ignore
what she is becoming. At the end after a certain incident (I wont ruin the story for you if you havent seen it) when Joan is going to call the police her
daughter begs her not to saying “its your fault Im
this way Mother – you made me like this”.
We could call Casey a version of Vida from the story.
Yes, these people become bereft of feelings like you and I. That is why Casey was able to steal from her
own grandfather’s account while he sits helpless in
an assisted care facility. She doesnt CARE about anyone else, she only cares about her own interests.
I personally believe that sociopaths are to a degree
made, and to a degree there is a genetic component
that helps sociopathy along. Its like a certain environment helps to trigger something mentally
that causes this lack of conscience. Something
is missing from their makeup that causes their lack of
deep feeling for others, or to have empathy for their own loved ones or friends. Everything is always about
them. I dont think anyone can really explain it,
just give theories as to why they are that way
and such a puzzle to us when we come across someone like them.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 28, 2008 @ 11:12 am
And the tattoo? Bella Vida
Also makes me think accidental death, with maybe even a hint of saddness, or tribute, at least, which doesn’t lend itself to premeditated murder.
Elaine, your thoughts on this?
Comment by glp — October 28, 2008 @ 1:10 pm
I think she was HAPPY! thats why she had that tattoo
put on there! happy happy happy! she was free!
The following is an article about tips from http://www.wesh.com :
Some of the tips are from psychics. One, from July 27, told investigators Caylee has had her hair dyed blond and was being passed off as a boy. Another, from a caller on July 30 who meditates, said he saw “photo of old wooden planks over something green and a dumpster. Also sees a corner and the name ‘Eddie.’ “
Some of the tips include descriptions of visions. One reported by a psychic in Pennsylvania included seeing a person in a trench coat, first with a small child inside the coat and then tossing “a square package over a rail, possibly a bridge rail.”
The tips range from the specific — locations that police are urged to check — to the broad — dreams that had Caylee being buried in a barn or under a rock, for example. Some offer detailed scenarios about how they believe Caylee was killed, who did it, what she was wearing, and where she is located.
A few offer psychological evaluations — suggesting police investigate “dissociative disorders” — based on how Casey looks to them.
There also are reported Caylee sightings. Someone called on Aug. 5 to say the toddler was with someone in Georgia and could be boarding an Air France flight for Paris. The caller told the tip line operator that God was using her to communicate this information. Other callers from across the nation place her in Texas and Arizona and several southern states.
Investigators have said they checked out all credible tips about Caylee. During a recent hearing in which the defense sought these tips, prosecutors said they would turn over ones that they were done investigating.
Defense attorney Jose Baez has said he wanted these tips so they can continue to search for Caylee.
The tips come from a variety of sources — calls to CrimeLine, law enforcement, national missing children hotlines, and even posting on Web sites about the case. END OF ARTICLE
Can you guys imagine the nut jobs they will get calling into their new tip line? I always said
every crazy in the world will come out and leave
a tip – sounds like they have had a lot of them already! Tips dont work.
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 28, 2008 @ 4:30 pm
Ive moved over to the new page 10/28/08 on glosslip.com to post. Much shorter comments!
Comment by Elaine 16 — October 28, 2008 @ 10:09 pm
Excellent job Elaine, 18 hours and no further posts.
Where did they all go?
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