XENU EXISTS!!! L. Ron Hubbard Discusses The Alien Story Scientologists Are Too Embarrassed To Admit
This Australian news broadcasts proves that the Xenu story DOES circulate within the Scientology faith, despite their spokespersons constant denials as seen below.
Scientology spokesperson, Tommy Davis (Ann Archer’s son btw) asks CNN’s John Roberts if the Xenu story sounds sill to him, but that’s a rhetorical question. It’s so clearly a made up story it sounds silly to small children. That’s a fact.
Honestly, I have come to the conclusion that the mainstream media thinks Scientology is too stupid and ridiculous to take seriously, therefore, they don’t bother to investigate it more thoroughly. The problem is, while Scientology’s basis is ridiculous and based on the ravings of a mad man, it is not harmless. Many mysterious deaths have occurred within the Scientology faith and most of those have been swept under the rug by officials who’ve either been coerced into silence out of fear or bribed to keep quiet.
Scientology may be kooky, but it isn’t harmless and it’s high time the powers that be do something about it. In these difficult economic times should we really be giving special tax breaks to a corporation which operates an illegal and sophisticated ponzi scheme which has bilked thousands upon thousands out of millions upon millions? If they lie about their most sacred beliefs, what else has the Church of Scientology lied about?
(many thanks to DM)
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The email correspondences between the Scientology spokesperson and Today Tonight are hilarious by the way.
http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/5300519/none/xenu-scientology
Comment by Marcab Soldier — February 4, 2009 @ 8:41 pm
To head off the scientologists:
We now have audio of Hubbard telling the Xenu story, court documents where the CoS claims copyright over the story, CoS claiming copyright of the story when wikileaks posting it, and multiple ex-scientologists who state that this is in fact what is taught at OT3.
With all that evidence please make valid, LOGICAL arguments as to why people should believe that Scientologists don’t actually believe the Xenu story?
That means none of this “tra la la, take a walk, kiss a tree” bullshit Terryeo.
Comment by Bill Billson — February 5, 2009 @ 9:32 am
PS:
Robert Lindbald, before you have a chance to, please stop cutting/pasting the huge post that you’ve been putting up all over the internet. It’s way too long and it turns people off from reading any further discussion that happens beyond that post.
Shorter comments that get to the point and are on topic for the particular subject being discussed go a lot farther then regurgitating the same crap everywhere.
Comment by Bill Billson — February 5, 2009 @ 9:35 am
A follow-up to yesterday’s expose:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUeZ1bbFI70
Shockingly, the cult will not speak to the reporter on camera, and has chosen istead to send him abusive/threatening e-mails and faxes.
Not a good day for $cientology. Once again Australia takes the lead in exposing the cult for what it is.
Comment by Rachel — February 5, 2009 @ 10:44 am
Thanks for posting the follow-up link, Rachel. Scientologists must now admit the Xenu story is part of COS doctrine. Read the first comment in this thread, Scientologists. The evidence is overwhelming and undeniable: Your church has as a core belief the story of Xenu dropping space aliens into volcanoes on Earth 75 million years ago.
If you won’t concede that, then you can’t be taken seriously. It’s that simple.
Comment by Run-DMS — February 5, 2009 @ 12:26 pm
I also have wondered why mainstream media doesn’t want to report on this. I think that they are intimidated by the threat of litigation. There have been lots of stories dropped or pulled when Scientology threatened to sue. IE the story posted on the UK Times website and a local vancouver cable channel dropping Gerry Armstrong’s interview. I have been lurking for 1 year learning about this so called church. THANK You to everyone including anon who are bringing all this out in the open for us to analyze. RIP Shawn Lonsdale. I wish someone would investigate further because I cannot believe he killed himself considering the details. Am I the only one who is still wondering about this?
PS I love your site! Keep up the good work!
Comment by Mom — February 5, 2009 @ 12:47 pm
The American media already looks bad enough with all their puff pieces celeb members and lack of in-depth reporting on the COS. If the major media don’t pick this up and QUICK, then they will REALLY come off as having no balls.
Comment by A Watcher — February 5, 2009 @ 3:56 pm
Absolutely. Unfortunately, you don’t get the crazy alien story until you’re already in way over your head. The thing is, SOME (some, a little bit, a tad) of the early stuff does make a teeny bit of sense. But LRH was like so many hucksters…take a teeny bit of right and build a whole lot of wrong on top of it, spread a whole bunch of jam on the bread, and make it tasty to the masses…by the time you’ve reached the rotten center, you’re in deep.
It’s beyond ridiculous why big mainstream media hasn’t done about eleventy billion exposes on this.
Comment by k — February 5, 2009 @ 5:21 pm
I’m sorry but all this freaks me out. wacko!!!
Comment by DD — February 5, 2009 @ 9:01 pm
“With all that evidence please make valid, LOGICAL arguments as to why people should believe that Scientologists don’t actually believe the Xenu story?”
Okay, I’m not a Scientologist, but I can easily come up with an explanation. First, you have to assume that the audio-tape is real, and not just a hoax of someone faking LRH’s voice.
But, okay, if we concede that it’s really him saying that, then all you have is a tape of him reciting a strange story, not proof that it’s what Scientologists are told to believe when they reach OT III. He was, after all, a science fiction writer, who continued to write stories, even after starting the “Church” of Scientology. So they can just say that this was one of his unpublished science fiction stories, that he was reciting (or maybe dictating it to someone to type it, as some authors do). And that’s why the COS has filed copyright claims against it, because the “church,” or one of it’s organizations, owns the rights to all of his writings, including his fiction.
Years ago, some disgruntled ex-Scientologist, or other enemy of the “Church,” heard the story and decided to circulate the false rumor that it’s a part of their doctrine, in order to defame Scientology. And it’s continued to be spread over the years by other ex-Scientologists & various “bigots,” even though it’s not true. Just like many anti-Semites today continue to cite “The Protocols of The Elders of Zion” as proof of the worldwide Jewish conspiracy, even though that book has been proven to be false.
How’s that?
Comment by J.R. LeMar — February 6, 2009 @ 2:23 am
^^ That’s easy to counter-act. The CoS testified and supplied documents stating that the Xenu story was part of OT3. It was in some case in one of the Scandinavian countries (Sweden?). They also argued multiple times that it was a “trade secret”, so not just fiction which would not fall under the “trade secret” heading. I believe the woman they were suing in the case was named Karen something… one of the Anon will know what I’m talking about.
Second, the lecture that the audio comes from is a Scientology lecture that runs a couple hours in length. You can download the whole thing from wikileaks or as a torrent. When you listen to it in context it is quite obvious it is Hubbard giving a lecture as opposed to a fictional story he wrote.
Finally, if one former scientologist came out and said the Xenu story was real why would everyone else who left the church follow suit if it wasn’t true?
Are you saying the more logical explanation is that there is a huge conspiracy by former scientologists (many who have never actually met each other, or live in other countries) to discredit the church as opposed to the other option of it simply being true?
Also to that end, why would Freezone (the scientologists who broke off from the church) use the Xenu story for their training in OT3? Even if Freezone uses a squirrelled/bastardized version of the tech (as CoS claims), the tech had to come from somewhere. It’s not like they would take a fictional story made by Hubbard and claim it as tech as that would be counter-productive to what they’re trying to accomplish, which (by there stated goal) is to practice Hubbard tech in it’s purest form.
Also, what you wrote is basically the CoS line on the Xenu story since it came out, but that doesn’t explain why in court they would say it was OT3 and out of court say that it wasn’t.
Comment by Bill Billson — February 6, 2009 @ 12:19 pm
Right, all a BIG conspiracy.
$cientology would have fared better if they’d simply admitted the Xenu story years ago. But of course that would require that they give up the $360,000 they charge for the ‘honor’ of hearing it.
It would also mean virtually no one would even get involved in the first place after hearing this rambling account from the lunatic Hubbard.
But does the cult still want to deny it? Hey, good luck with that!
Comment by Rachel — February 6, 2009 @ 4:03 pm
“Are you saying the more logical explanation is that there is a huge conspiracy by former scientologists (many who have never actually met each other, or live in other countries) to discredit the church as opposed to the other option of it simply being true?”
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Um, *I’M* not saying anything. Or did you skip the part where I said that I’m not a Scientologist? You asked for a possible explanation, & so I came up with one. Whether it was a good one or not, is up to every individual to decide, but it’s one that Scientologists *could* make, if they wanted to, even if no one believed them.
And, really, what’s the point of this sort of thing? That they have “weird” beliefs? What religion doesn’t?
Most people on this planet believe that 2000 years ago some poor middle eastern woman was magically implanted with a baby, that grew up and had super powers, was killed, and then rose from the dead. Is that really so darn logical? And the 2nd largest group believes that 1500 years ago an illiterate sheep-farmer recieved special messages in a cave from an angel for 40 days, then came out & wrote a book about it. And don’t even get me started on Wiccans.
Really, unless everyone commenting on this story is an agnostic or atheist, you should leave this line of attack alone. Because whatever your beliefs are, could easily be mocked, as well. I mean, you can’t prove that Xenu DOESN’T exist, any more than you can prove that “God” does, nor can you disprove a
“thetan” or a “soul.” And you can’t prove that after we die we will be transported to either a wonderful paradis, or a tortuous prison, instead of being reincarnated.
The only difference between Scientology and any other “faith,” is that others have been around longer, so we’ve all gotten used to their lunacy, and have heard it so much that we’ve convinced ourselves that they make sense.
The focus should remain on Scientology’s ACTIONS. That’s it. The excessive monetary donations, physical abuse, stalking of critics, etc. Just talk about that. Leave the alledged beliefs alone. I don’t care if someone prays to God, Allah, Jesus, Jehova, Buddha or Oprah, as long as they’re a good person.
Comment by J.R. LeMar — February 6, 2009 @ 5:14 pm
^^^^^^
What Rachel said.
Comment by Mitsu Too — February 6, 2009 @ 8:04 pm
“Are you saying the more logical explanation is that there is a huge conspiracy by former scientologists (many who have never actually met each other, or live in other countries) to discredit the church as opposed to the other option of it simply being true?”
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Um, *I’M* not saying anything. Or did you skip the part where I said that I’m NOT a Scientologist? You asked for a possible explanation, & so I came up with one. Whether it was a good one or not, is up to every individual to decide, but it’s one that Scientologists *could* make, if they wanted to, even if no one believed them.
And, really, what’s the point of this sort of thing? That they have “weird” beliefs? What religion doesn’t?
Most people on this planet believe that 2000 years ago some poor middle eastern woman was magically implanted with a baby, that grew up and had super powers, was killed, and then rose from the dead. Is that really so darn logical? And the 2nd largest group believes that 1500 years ago an illiterate sheep-farmer received special messages in a cave from an angel for 40 days, then came out & wrote a book about it. And don’t even get me started on Wiccans.
Really, unless everyone commenting on this story is an agnostic or atheist, you should leave this line of attack alone. Because whatever your beliefs are, could easily be mocked, as well. I mean, you can’t prove that Xenu DOESN’T exist, any more than you can prove that “God” does, nor can you disprove a
“thetan” or a “soul.” And you can’t prove that after we die we will be transported to either a wonderful parades, or a tortuous prison, instead of being reincarnated.
The only difference between Scientology and any other “faith,” is that others have been around longer, so we’ve all gotten used to their lunacy, and have heard it so much that we’ve convinced ourselves that they make sense.
The focus should remain on Scientology’s ACTIONS. That’s it. The excessive monetary donations,alledged physical abuse, stalking of critics, etc. Just talk about that. Leave the alleged beliefs alone. I don’t care if someone prays to God, Allah, Jesus, Jehovah, Buddha or Oprah, as long as they’re a good person.
Comment by J.R. LeMar — February 7, 2009 @ 3:02 pm