Comments on: Scientology Ditz, Jenna Elfman’s New Fall Show… A CBS Accident For Sure

By: pak31

pak31 — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:25:38 +0000

I am new here and just want to say that I am not offended by this site. I like to educate myself on the issue of Scientology now and then because the stories I have read in the past just amaze me. Personally, I don’t consider it a religion. To me it sounds more like a self help program etc. The negative stories of this “religion” truly outweigh any positive ones. The one thing that shocks me is just reading L. Ron Hubbard’s biography. The man was a crook. I just don’t understand how anyone would want to follow someone who had such a checkered past. Vulnerable people are easily sucked into brainwashing. I live my life for myself and my family, if people want to live by Hubbard’s teachings then that is their deal. But, I do agree that supporting people who donate to this “religion” should be avoided. But to each his own. The worst part of the “religion” are the stories of the people who have died because of it. Withholding medication, not treating diseases, etc. is wrong. The God I believe in wouldn’t be mad for seeking out help from others. The whole discussion of religion is so difficult to do, people can think that God is just a fable or a magician and that is their choice but for me, the beauty of the Earth and the power of the real feeling of love, is not something that just came about. Where some religions preach the word of the bible, Scientology preaches the words of some man who was a sci-fi writer turned self help guru who realized that if he got people to give him money he could be successful. Not to mention that the guy was a huge drug abuser too. Plus at one time he was married to two women at once. One of his past wives even said that he was basically a nut job. Oh well, you reap what you sow.

By: Riczk

Riczk — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:23:44 +0000

Now nearing the debut of Jenna’s new series, the article in LA Times quotes her as saying:

“Scientology is something that’s been in my life for 18 years. It’s so greatly helped me. Helps me keep the stress down, the happiness up and gives me tools for living a better life. I kind of ignore all the craziness in the press.”
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Not only can’t I ignore the craziness in the press, I can’t ignore the craziness in Scientology either. It is too dangerous.

And I wouldn’t even have noticed it without the Tom Cruise video, their plans for world domination, and a planet with no critics (insert maniac/Cruise laugh here).

By: Lars

Lars — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:08:51 +0000

I love Jenna Elfman

By: ms. b

ms. b — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:33:04 +0000

Jim, if you are still reading, I just want to ask you, do you think it’s right when a report on an ethical problem within the CoS is squashed because the people in charge don’t want to upset a celebrity? If you were at CC back in the mid-’80s, you probably know what I’m talking about. A staff member at CC knew that a 15-year-old boy and his 13-year-old brother were having sex with women more than 10 years older than them (at least one of whom was an auditor). But the staff member was ordered to withdraw this report on this because the kids’ father was one of CC’s biggest celebrities. I bring this up not because I think it’s the worst thing the CoS has ever done–it pales in comparison to, say, the exploitation of kids in the Sea Org and the death of Lisa McPherson–but because it was a case where the people running the place ordered that ethics not be pursued. Can you honestly say you have not seen that or similar things happen–where the ethical thing to do is stomped on for the good of the organization as a whole? Or do you think it’s ethical for an adult woman to screw a teenage boy?

By: Jim

Jim — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:20:46 +0000

One more gem from the horse’s mouth–LRH said that Scientology is targeted for those with IQs between 80 and 100. Guess why!

By: Mitsu Too

Mitsu Too — Sat, 30 May 2009 23:05:25 +0000

What I find sad about all this Jim Warren is that you attribute your “wins” to Scientology as if it was the only factor which made you the individual you are. Could it be that your success has really nothing to do with the application of scientology methods but rather that you yourself had the ability all along for your own success? There is nothing in the scientology tech which cannot be seen in any type of self help programs which basically all it does is create some sense of discipline or focus of your already existing abilities. Scientology is no better than the Atkin Diet program.Bottom line you lose weight because you diet, cut back calories and increase your activity. It’s not anything miraculous, it’s just that we tend to want the quick fix or something or someone to tell us what to do. S

Scientology is just an expensive scheme where you surrender your own self control in search of the miracle cure, pill or solution. There is no “spirituality” here just surrendering oneself to a higher power(or someone in power) to tell you what to do, when to do it, how often, and so on. If you do it wrong then you didn’t apply it correctly. In a word scientology works best for people with low self esteem or lack of self confidence. Jim I bet that despite Sciebntology you still would have been successful. However, having people around to tell you or give you affirmation of it probably made you feel a lot better. The world howeveris not so black and white. There are many factors that can lead to success and no amount of auditing or “magic recipe” is going to guarantee success. If it were that simple the world would not have war, poverty, famine and diseases.

The thing that saddens me here Jim is that your celebrity status has shielded you from the “ordinary” scientologist treatment and experience. There are far to many exscientologist to dismiss their stories as fabrication and mere grumblings from disastified “customers’. David Miscaviges own niece and even his brother are out. Wouldn’t that make him PTS???? Admitting that their could be abuses perpetuated by the very people who you say were helpful to you must be a hard pill to swallow. Denial will not make it go away. Can you examine your morals and ethics and come to the conclusion that as long as it helped me it’s ok????

Scientology as an institution has to change or it will consume itself. What made it so powerful was it’s ability to keep it’s upper levels secret and silence its critics with litigations. The cat’s out of the bag Jim. I really think you’re a nice guy with good intentions but I hope you wake up and get your family as far away from the tidal wave before it hits and leaves you reeling in its wake.

By: Jannah

Jannah — Sat, 30 May 2009 22:04:58 +0000

Hey, I liked My Mother The Car! What are your car crimes?! Heehee.

I bet that the Elfman’s would not have had a problem with the T-shirt sporting a joke about any other religion on it. :-p

By: Jim

Jim — Sat, 30 May 2009 17:15:12 +0000

“Next you will say that mesothelioma can be audited out.”

Yes, at $1,000 an hour. And don’t take aspitin–be audited for $1,000 an hour. CoS gets so much credit for being anti-drug, but it makes them $.

By: Queen

Queen — Fri, 29 May 2009 21:27:56 +0000

And more thing Jim,
if you read ALL what I told you and still think Scientology is not guilty of crimes, then consider the case of the Freewinds. Lawrence Woodcraft reported to Scientology that the Freewinds had asbestos back in 2001. But Scientology allowed its members,crew members and its member’s children to sail regardless of the warnings until the Curacoa government finally sealed it may of 2008.That means Scientology allowed members to sail for seven years after they were told about it. Worse than that, it had been sailing since 1987.
Now if you think THAT is ethical. I don’t know what to say.
Here is his afidavit:
http://www.xenutv.com/interviews/lawrence-freewinds.htm

and here is one of MANY reports of the Freewinds being sealed:
http://insurancenewsnet.com/article.asp?n=1&neID=200805023600.3_33bc000d60868fe7

Bottom line is, Scientology put it’s members and members children, and their crew in harms way. WHY?Next you will say that mesothelioma can be audited out. If you have been on the Freewinds, I hope your exposure was slight.
Here is some information on abestos. And by the way, the Freewinds had the most dangerous kind. BLUE asbestos. Also called Crocidolite – (Also known as riebeckite or blue asbestos) Composed of straight fibers, most crocidolite comes from southern Africa and Australia. It is believed to be the most toxic form of all asbestos minerals.
http://www.asbestos.com/asbestos/

By: Mom

Mom — Fri, 29 May 2009 20:22:50 +0000

Queen, you’ve done your best, you cannot give someone a conscience. Something here does not add up. I also noticed the dichotomy of jims statements. This argument is made to be circular. Who cares about this guy. He’s prob old and old people suffer from the don’t care attitude; if they have to lift a finger to get to google its too much work/I’m too busy/no one told me.
KKK and Mafia analogies you put forward are more valid if you are IN either organization. Try to tell a mafia family that they need to stop their criminal behaviour or the KKK to stop being racist. There are people out there that have no conscience and ignore other people’s suffering if it benefits themselves in some way.
Your job is well done in the sense that you inspire many people like myself to come here to get more info on the cult for whatever our individual reasons are and to keep on digging and questioning. And your style is great. I, for one, like your passion.
I am grateful for the info you provide, because knowledge is power and I share what I find out as do many. I’m confident that nobody I encounter will get pulled in. I have been researching and fact checking for a long time and the only false or questionable material I have found has been coming from the Scientology side. example – Ida Campburn, terrorist? Or DM’s mominlaw… suicide by 4 shotgun blasts to the chest? Quentin Hubbard? Sean Lonsdale? Jett Travolta? Lisa McPherson? LRH even, for that matter. Or Paulette Cooper and the fingerprints plot, only to be used again to prove LRH was not dead. I mean come on.
Also, how do we know that ‘jum warren’ is the guy who owns the website he’s linking to? My experience says don’t believe what you see. There is a history of exaggerated self importance and identity theft going on.
Sorry I’m skeptical. But for all we know this guy could be the updated version of terryeo, or some people sitting at computers saying “its your turn to answer Jill.”
I see that things are evolving as Jim suggests and the proof is all being linked together on the internet by someones hard work. The internet is a beautiful thing!
Happy Friday!