John Travolta And Kelly Preston, What Will Their Future Hold?
Early “Promo” Picture Of John and Kelly
One of Hollywood’s big questions right now is whether John Travolta is having serious doubts about Scientology. Added to that question now is his future with wife Kelly Preston. They are having a very difficult time dealing with the loss of their son Jett who passed away this past January. I don’t think anyone ever gets over a death of someone that is near and dear to their hearts, and healing from a tragedy such as this can prove to be both exhausting and devastating.It is especially hard to function after a death if you are always under the microscope of paps and fans. But that is part of the package deal of being famous.
It was just announced that John and Kelly have backed out of being part of the Maria Shriver’s Annual Women’s Conference this October, due to Kelly saying they were just not ready to speak out about their son’s death. Totally understandable. This cancellation was only one of many signs that their son’s death has really taken a huge toll on them.
But is it more of a toll for John than Kelly? John was too distraught to promote his most recent movie Pelham 123, and he has been seen recently packing on the pounds. But really who can blame him for wanting some comfort food?
Star Magazine, although not the most reliable or credible source for news, to say the least, just reported that John has been staying in bed most days, visiting Denny’s restaurant at 3 AM, and watching videos of son Jett and crying. All very normal behavior after a loss, as long as it doesn’t consume one’s life. Star is also reporting that John and Kelly are not staying together at the moment. Separation is not abnormal for many couples that have lost a child. It’s a common occurrence.
But what is a normal for Scientologists when it comes to grieving and death? As we have mentioned before in earlier articles, Scientology is not “too big” on death. They consider their bodies only as ”meat bodies” and that they will reincarnate and come back many many times. Grieving as well as many other emotions associated with death are deemed extremely low on the Scientology Tone Scale.
Scientology claims that emotions such as these can be handled and removed by counseling and auditing on an e-meter. (which is basically a lie detector)
But why? Why should NORMAL emotions be swept away? Anyone with half a brain knows that grieving and depression is a big part of healing, and to suppress it, can be a very slippery slope. If someone blocks these emotions, it may manifest itself in a bigger and much more harmful way down the road.
But suppression is one of Scientologys’ specialties among its followers. According to Scientologists, all answers to life’s problems lie within the teachings of Scientology’s founder, the late L. Ron Hubbard.
Hubbard, a quack sci-fi writer, con man, and scam artist taught his followers that a person would be considered “out ethics” if they didn’t handle those emotions. Hubbard considered these emotions weaknesses, and if a member does not handle these emotions and get them under control, then that person is labeled a “PTS” or potential troubled source. To make it even sillier, things such as colds, headaches, injuries, or any other health problems, can also cause yo to be labeled a PTS.
What if someone is exhibiting mental problems? Well, they simply don’t exist according to Hubbard, and he also stated that anyone with a mental problem is a degraded being. Which really did not make a whole lot of sense to me, due to the fact that if mental problems don’t exist according to Scientology, then how do degraded beings exist? *scratches head*
Simple, because Scientologists are conditioned and taught to believe and accept whatever they are told according to Hubbard’s teachings, even though the contradictions are rampant.
How did Hubbard feel about homosexuals? He considered them perverts and that they should be cast from society and institutionalized.
In Hubbard’s own words from HIS actual babblings from the Science of Survival, Book 1, Chapt. 13, at 90.
“Such people should be taken from the society as rapidly as possible and uniformally institutionalized; for here is the level of the contagion of immorality, and the destruction of ethics;”
But then Scientology offers an alternative, from the same babblings from Science of Survival Book 1, Chapt. 13, at 89:
“The only answers would seem to be the permanent quarantine of such persons from society to avoid the contagion of their insanities and the general turbulence which they bring to any order, thus forcing it lower on the scale, or processing such persons until they have attained a level on the tone scale which gives them value.”
So according to Hubbard, a person who is gay should be quarantined and that their insanities (gay) are contagious to other people in society, and they can only have value if they are processed through Scientology and then and only then they can attain a level that is on their Tone Scale. So… did Hubbard think gays should be removed from society and institutionalized? Or they should be “processed”? Well, which was is it?
Both are beyond deplorable, and how anyone can follow and pay for these teachings, makes my blood boil.
I can only imagine how John must feel about all this wacky mumbo jumbo rolling around his brain which makes no sense what so ever. As far as Kelly goes, I am a bit confused about how she is handling her grief. I think she accepts just about anything she is told through Scientology’s teachings more so then John. I am not saying that she is not as distraught over her son’s death, I just think that she is handling it the “Scientology way” and erasing the feelings of grief and guilt and is moving on a lot faster than John. Of course one parent being able to move on faster than the other after a child’s death, is also normal. Especially for the fact that there can be a much more deep rooted connection between a son and father and mother and daughter or vise versa. It’s just that Scientology’s methods of “healing” are not only harmful, but down right despicable, as they charge you to “heal”. Keep in mind, you are not really healing, you are blocking and suppressing your normal emotions.
Although Kelly did cancel the upcoming Conference this October, she was recently seen out with Miley Cyrus for dinner and chatting about an up coming movie they will be working on together called The Lost Song. Not too long ago Miley also did the movie Bolt with John. Careful Miley.. the cult would love to get their hands on your oodles of cash! You don’t want to achy break Billy Ray’s heart!
I certainly hope that John has had some recent epiphanies or at least some serious seeds of doubt with the passing of his son, and questions the teachings hog wash of Scientology.
Taking his son off anti seizure medication was not favored by many of the general public and many thought that it was the wrong move, and made John and Kelly partly or totally responsible for the death of their son. Many believe that Jett should have been put on some other medciation immediately, rather than being put on Scientology’s Purification Rundown. The anti seizure medication, Depakote that Jett was taking is a psyche drug and totally unacceptable for a Scientologist. So unacceptable that some Scientologists considered John and Kelly as SP’s (suppressive people). Although some Scientologists would argue that Depakote is not a pysche drug.
As you may or many not know, Scientology’s considers ANY psychiatric drugs an abomination. Which is one of the reasons why many Scientologists die way too early in life from many different afflictions. (even though their “clears” aren’t supposed to have any afflictions) Fact both John and Kelly are listed as clears.
So why then are John and Kelly having so many problems? Because Scientology simply doesn’t work.
Now I don’t agree on the over drugging of children or anyone for that matter, and I think their is WAY too much drugging going on with both children and our senior citizens. But some people need certain medications to help them cope with their every day existence. Plain and simple.
So you can understand why there was such a turmoil with John and Kelly’s lives with having a child that was autistic. You see both Kelly and John are a very big advocates of the CCHR. The Citizen’s Commission On Human Rights. Their title is laughable considering Scientology’s total disregard for any of their member’s human rights.
Kelly Pictured At A Psychiatry Protest On The Right
The CCHR is one of Scientology’s many front groups which has a global plan for the total obliteration of psychiatry and psyche drugs. Videos have surfaced of current Scientology cult leader David Miscavige at an IAS (International Association of Scientologists) boasting about this obliteration of psychiatry and quoted in the video saying that Scientology,
”booby trapped the whole psychiatric ecosystem”.
I kid you not. If you haven’t watched it, it is worth the watch. Click here and be horrified. This video is VERY scary, and you have to wonder how it is legal for them to go after psychiatrists and have their licenses revoked and then celebrate about it. To hear the people cheering in the audience about Miscavige’s speech is reminiscent of Hitler.
Speaking of Hitler, in Scientology’s own words from their CCHR website they claim:
“Psychiatrists admit they created the euthanasia program and ideology that fueled Hitler’s holocaust.”
Yes, you can go view all their wonderful Scientology fabricated “facts” and disturbing pictures of the holocaust at their Psychiatry An Industry of Death exhibit in California or their traveling exhibit. I would hope if this exhibit is scheduled to come to your town, you write to your town officials and put a stop to it.
Just One Of Many Horrific Pictures Inside the CCHR Exhibit
Both John and Kelly as well as BFF Kirstie Alley and other Scientology celebutards were present for the ribbon cutting for the permanent exhibit in California. Don’t get me wrong, I am not a big fan of psychiatry for the most part, but again, some people desperately need it and have greatly benefited by it. I have yet to see any ACTUAL benefits from Scientology that was worth what they paid.
Back to the CCHR…
What makes the CCHR even more disturbing is a group called the Office of Special Affairs aka OSA which is funded by donations to the CCHR. They are a group of “thugs” whose job is to dig into the private lives of any critics AND psychiatrists. They will do all and everything to Fair Game anyone is who is critical of Scientology, or ex Scientologists that have left and spoke out by harassment and “dead agenting”them.
But wait it gets worse….
Both Kelly and John where also in Hawaii some years back to promote Narconon, which again, is another big Scientology front group.
Narconon’s program, consists of people enduring long hours of saunas which goes on for days. They ingest large amounts of oil and are required to do excessive amounts of exercise.They also must take large doses of niacin “vitamin bombs” which Scientology believes rids the body of all toxins. This method is also used for supposed drug rehabilitation and has been funded by towns of taxpayers not knowing it had ties to Scientology.
This treatment which is called the Purification Rundown, (as I mentioned earlier) is also used in their other front group program Criminon in some jail systems. All the same program, all using the Scientology Tone Scale, with the same regiment of saunas,vitamins and exercise. The only difference is Scientology using different front group names to deceive and confuse. More disturbing, is that this program is being administered by non professional people and has never been medically proven to work, and has been called quackery by many REAL doctors. It also can be quite dangerous to the liver. Thus the numerous court cases which have popped up and continue to come.
Believe it or not, they had the NY Firefighters on this program after 9/11. Tom Cruise was even there with the firefighters. Of course Scientology snuck in under the name the NY Rescue Workers Detoxification Project. Pretty sneaky huh?
Desperate people on drugs seeking help and town officials who do not do their homework can be convinced that this program works by their trumped up success numbers and trumped up testimonies. They were kicked out of a town in New Mexico last year, and left in the middle of the night and still owe over $600,00.00 in tax liens and 17,000 to the city for unpaid rent and utilities. Not to mention they released several dangerous inmates back into town. Of course they were going under the pseudo name of ”Second Chance”, but they were just another Scientology front group which was run by Scientologist and jewelry hawker Joy Westrum. How she is walking around a free women is beyond me.
So again… what does all this and the Purification Rundown have to do with John and Kelly? They put their son Jett on the same program hoping it would cure him.
I have asked this question before… how difficult would it be for a person to put a child with special needs on this rundown? I don’t understand how they were able to get Jett, who was obviously autistic through this exhausting and long treatment. It makes no sense at all. Anyone who has an autistic child can attest to the difficulties that would arise in trying to make an autistic child or any child for that matter, endure this treatment. It would be not only cruel for the child, but damn near impossible in some cases without the child being held down or drugged. No questions where ever asked pertaining to this treatment that John and Kelly admittedly put their son Jett on. I find that very puzzling.
Could it be that Scientology is still considered a “religion” in the US and the Government stays clear of “religious beliefs” ? Well yes, that’s a big part of it.Yet another reason why Scientology has been able to fly under the radar so long by using religion as a cloak to hide under. But when it comes to people being harmed, shouldn’t they be stepping in? Yes they should, and then the question is, what the heck are they waiting for?
So why did John insist that his son had Kawasaki disease instead of autism in the first place? Because Scientology does not recognize autism. John finally admitted his son’s autism when Jett was rushed to the hospital the morning of his death, but that report did not surface until months later. The actual Royal Bahama police report surfaced in the news and it contained John’s statement to the police which said:
”My son suffered from a seizure disorder and he was autistic”.
Scientology’s response to Jett’ death was too quickly get John and Kelly ”handled” and into counseling and auditing ASAP. (of course on John and Kelly’s dime) I find all of this beyond despicable and further proof that Scientology is the furthest thing from a “church” as you can get.
One would think the sheer quackery of Scientology must have left John with some huge questions and feelings of guilt for adhering to the cult’s teachings in dealing with not only with Jett’s problems when he was alive, but also dealing with his own grief after his death.
To further complicate things, is the big question of John’s sexuality. It’s not a secret that many people believe that John is gay and has been living on the DL for many years, and that his marriage to Kelly was “arranged” to take the heat off him. Not only for his career, but also for the fact of Scientology’s beliefs on gays.
When it was reported and photographed that John was seen kissing his son Jett’s nanny on the lips, it was not kept secret for very long, and it was never denied. In fact Travolta’s spokesperson said it did happen and that John is VERY friendly and he kisses everybody. Ok, but why would it be appropriate for an employer to kiss their child’s nanny? And where are all the other pictures of him kissing all these other people?
Hey don’t get me wrong, I could care less if John is gay. I wish he would come out and tell the world, and I would welcome it. And I am sure many of his fans feel the same way. Deep down inside I think that John is a caring, decent man that got tied up in this cult back in 1975 when it wasn’t AS corrupt as it is today with current leader David Miscavige running the show. (however it was always a huge sham)
One of many of the disturbing things with Scientology is, is that your life is an open book. Any secrets you may want to keep about your personal life gets revealed through Scientology’s auditing. They have your entire life on file and kept in your “PC” folder. It contains all your very personal information including anything and everything sexual. And as recently reported, Scientology has no qualms about making your private information public. As we witnessed in the recent Scientology edition of their Freedom Magazine which was a beyond laughable rebuttal to the three part series of the St. Petersburg Times articles.
The SP Times, (as called by Scientology) reported about four top executives that left Scientology and spoke out about beatings administered by cult leader David Miscavige and the emotional and physical abuse of other members that they witnessed. I certainly hope both Kelly and John got a chance to read it. I would imagine that Kelly refused to read it though. It was full of Scientology spin and called the four defectors that left Scientology comic book charachter names like The Adulteress and so on. It was written with he said/she said, high school mentality. If Scientology was trying to make themselves look credible with their latest issue of Freedom magazine, then they failed miserably.
Cult Leader David Miscavige Pictured On Cover
Maybe the outing of the defector’s files was a warning to other Scientology members as a scare tactic of what Scientology is capable of doing if you should leave and speak out. One can’t blame John for being scared. It’s a pity in ANY religion that someone would have to be afraid of their own “church”. Especially one that you have dumped millions of dollars into like John and Kelly.
So between John and Kelly’s grief over their son, John’s supposed sexual preference and all their deep dark secrets, and fear of repercussions from the cult, Scientology has them by the short hairs to say the least. Let’s just hope they can snap out of it and come forward and lift the burden from their hearts and not let Scientology continue to rule and ruin their lives.
Sadly, I don’t think Kelly is willing to let go of Scientology, unless the cult totally crumbles, and even if it did, she would probably become a Freezoner in my opinion. (groups of people who still practice Scientology, but not in the “church” under Miscavige) Perhaps Kelly’s strong ties to Scientology may be part of the reason for their current separation. ( if in fact the Stars magazine’s story has any integrity at all)
It’s a tough pill to swallow, isn’t it?
Scientology’s beliefs and actions are SO archaic and secretive, it’s hard to believe that this goes on today. Which oddly is another reason why they continue to get away with it. Some people and the media included think that these things can’t possibly be happening. And some are afraid to speak out about Scientology due to their litigious nature, which makes Scientology’s veil of secrecy continue.
That’s why we continually report what is going on in Scientology land, because people have to be made aware of these atrocities.
Times are changing for the better though and more and more people are coming forward with their stories. In a previous article we mentioned a list of ex scientologists that have spoken out. That list is now over 600 names listed on the Why We Protest Wiki. The names tell sad tales of just how corrupt an organization Scientology is.
The list will only continue to grow and grow as more people step into the light and join others and say, I have my life back . I am happier than ever and I want to share my story with the world and help others!
So John, we have told you before….
If by chance you are reading this, I am sure your fans are waiting with open arms John. You can be a hero. You can save other Scientology members from a life of misery, financial ruin and also save some lives. Put an end to Scientology’s ruthless abuse and family disconnection of it’s Sea Org members too.You can write a tell all book and sky rocket your career.
You can help Scientology members get the medical help they so desperately need to live longer and healthier lives.
If not for yourself John, do it for your son Jett.
Proud Papa John with Jett as a Baby
Although nobody knows yet if John will decide to stay in the cult, one thing is for certain…
as long as he stays with Scientology, he will never be free.
For help leaving Scientology, or just for someone to talk to, call 1-866-XSEAORG, this is a toll free call.
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I hadn’t seen that Miscavige vid before. I’ve only been reading for 6-12 months and was suprised that Kimora is distributing CoS materials. Why isn’t this mentioned more often on gossip sites in general? I already thought of her as a pest, but now consider her downright noxious.
Comment by Dirk — September 2, 2009 @ 8:23 pm
Comment by tony — September 2, 2009 @ 8:57 pm
Great job Queen.
I really hope John can find his way out of the nightmare in which he finds himself, although I don’t see Kelly ever leaving the cult.
I’ve always liked John, unlike little Tommy Cruise, who is just annoying and fake.
Come on John-be a hero.
Comment by Rachel — September 2, 2009 @ 8:58 pm
Queen, Co$ has stayed under the radar primarily because not many people know much about it and how much damage it has done. That is starting to change, with the internet. You and Dawn are part of that change.
Comment by Jim — September 2, 2009 @ 9:44 pm
Hey guys, thanks!
This story kind of got published before there was a spell check, so there were a lot of typos…. (it’s called not enough sleep)
Hopefully most got fixed.
To Dirk… Please note that even though Miscavige boasts about the companies in that video…it was later found out that those companies were furious, that their names were mentioned and said they had NO affiliation with Scientology what so ever, including Kimora.
So Miscavige not only lied about the companies endorsing Scientology, he also lied about all the the trumped up numbers too. It’s safe to say, that basically and Scientology video you watch which is made by Scientology, will be rampant with lies.
They tell all these lies because videos like the one you watched was meant for members eyes only. So they lie to their members about endorsements, trumped up numbers, and basically everything else, especially expansion.
This is so their members will think that Scientology is expanding and that is is successful, when in fact it’s a nothing but a pack of lies, so members will continue to fork over money.
So Kimora did NOT endorse Scientology as far as I know, she was really pissed that she was mentioned.
Comment by Queen — September 2, 2009 @ 10:02 pm
olivia newton john
Comment by miguel — September 2, 2009 @ 10:27 pm
Queenie knocks one out of the park, a handful of internets to you
I figure the first A-list celebrity to blow the cult publicly will get mega support from the fan base. Subsequent departing/distancing celebrities will get PR-annihilated.
I would also be interested to see how various Hollywood cult apologists react to scientology’s current, ahh, disintegration…people like Goldie Hawn and Dustin Hoffman, and many others, who signed a 1996 letter to Helmut Kohl expressing concern about the treatment of scientology at the hands of the German government. I wonder if their opinions have changed any in the time since.
Comment by anne — September 2, 2009 @ 10:57 pm
Hey Dawn? Queen? This is Tom Cruise related but you may want to see this…
Marty replied to Bert Fields with some pretty explosive information…
A quote:
“Miscavige informed all of the members of International management that he had been telling Cruise all about how suppressive Yager, Leserve, and Mithoff had been to Miscavige personally. He told the executives that he had told Cruise how all other members of management were suppressive to Miscavige too because they refused to beat Yager, Leserve and Mithoff to pulps in defense of Miscavige’s honor. Miscavige said that Tom, as his best friend and most trusted confidante, had vowed to come to the Hole and personally “beat the living shit” out of Yager, Leserve, and Mithoff if the managers failed to do so themselves. Miscavige said that if they didn’t show evidence that they had acted, they all would be bypassed the next day by Cruise. The tantrum was accompanied by the usual ill-tempered and sadistic threats to the executives detailing what would become of them if Tom had to do “their job.”
In response, the mob rushed at the three targeted gentlemen. Fists flew and feet kicked into the three. They continued to pound until Miscavige’s deputy on site determined they had created sufficient evidence. That evidence? Fat lips, bloody noses, black eyes (and the deputy would not let the mob relent until each had two black eyes) and contusions over the faces and bodies of Yager, Leserve, and Mithoff.”
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/dm-yscohb/
Comment by OMG — September 2, 2009 @ 11:12 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFjypBf9dIE
Comment by malcom — September 2, 2009 @ 11:34 pm
“Grieving as well as many other emotions associated with death are deemed extremely low on the Scientology Tone Scale.”
I don’t think anyone would disagree with this, would they?
Grief is not a high emotion.
That much you got right.
Comment by John Davis — September 3, 2009 @ 12:06 am
“Scientology claims that emotions such as these can be handled and removed by counseling”
It certainly does not. Scientology does not use counseling and it certainly wouldn’t recommend that someone have counseling.
“e-meter. (which is basically a lie detector)”
Says who?
An emeter is not a lie detector.
John Davis
Comment by John Davis — September 3, 2009 @ 12:11 am
“But why? Why should NORMAL emotions be swept away?”
They aren’t. This is IMAGINATION at work. What is erased is the PAIN contained in a bad memory. There is too much to explain. Read Dianetics the Modern Science of Mental Health and use a dictionary when you do so or you will just add to your ball of confusion.
Comment by John Davis — September 3, 2009 @ 12:13 am
“Anyone … knows that grieving and depression is a big part of healing, and to suppress it, can be a very slippery slope.”
Who says suppress it?
Nothing in Scientology recommends suppressing these things. In fact, in auditing, this is something that the auditor often checks for. “On the subject of … are you suppressing anything?”
Comment by John Davis — September 3, 2009 @ 12:15 am
“Hubbard … taught his followers that a person would be considered “out ethics” if they didn’t handle those emotions.”
He certainly did not.
You know NOTHING about this subject, why not just come clean and admit it? Ethics has nothing to do with negative emotions. It has to do with survival. You’re just making it up and putting words in Hubbard’s mouth. He said NOTHING of the kind.
Comment by John Davis — September 3, 2009 @ 12:19 am
“The only answers would seem to be the permanent quarantine of such persons from society to avoid the contagion of their insanities and the general turbulence which they bring to any order, thus forcing it lower on the scale, or processing such persons until they have attained a level on the tone scale which gives them value.”
This quote is from Science of Survival, but Hubbard is not writing about gays. He is talking about an extremely destructive personality type. “Such persons” in the above quotation DOES NOT refer to sexual orientation, you are making this up and putting words in his mouth.
Comment by John Davis — September 3, 2009 @ 12:28 am
John Davis- it should be pointed out to you.
Grief, though painful to experience and hard to move through, is all too natural and normal. We all express such feeling differently and grief is not only a perfectly natural response to tragedy (like Jett’s untimely death), but should be encouraged when such things do happen in one’s life.
Pain associated with certain memories may fade and you may get better and who knows, one day those memories may not hurt you anymore. But the pain that existed with those memories was/is very real. Pretending that those memories never hurt you does no good and in fact, is just avoidance. Which is never healthy.
Grief and pain are an unavoidable part of life and can only be healed by living. It’s all part of being HUMAN.
Comment by A_Watcher — September 3, 2009 @ 12:31 am
Well, you got it right again:
“I can only imagine how John must feel about all this wacky mumbo jumbo rolling around his brain which makes no sense what so ever.”
WHAT YOU ARE WRITING HERE IS MUMBO JUMBO BECAUSE IT’S YOUR WACKY IDEAS. YOU ARE ADDING PURE LIES TO WHAT HUBBARD WRITES.
Comment by John Davis — September 3, 2009 @ 12:32 am
#16, yet you add NOTHING to refute what you claim to be lies.
Can you PROVE what Queen writes is lies? There are MANY ex-acientologists who can assure that what Queen wrote is COMPLETELY TRUE.
Do not simply rant and point fingers. PROVE that Queen is lying about what she’s saying about L. Ron Hubbard.
Comment by A_Watcher — September 3, 2009 @ 12:39 am
Thanks for a fantastic and thorough article!
I get so very angry about human rights violations perpetrated by the CoS, including the fact that the CoS so often keeps people from getting necessary medical care (and not just psychiatric treatment). Although Depakote is used to treat mood disorders and pain syndromes, its main use continues to be for the treatment of seizure disorders, which are usually treated by neurologists and primary care providers, not psychiatrists.
I worry that as an “evil psych”, my criticism of the cult can be construed as self-serving. But I probably speak for most psychs when I say that I don’t care who takes care of sick people as long as they get the (real) treatment they need.
Thanks so much for having the guts to tell the truth about the CoS.
Comment by PsychOutCults — September 3, 2009 @ 12:44 am
Watcher – The only way to prove that the person writing this article is trying to twist what Hubbard wrote by blatantly adding his/her own ideas is to read what Hubbard wrote.
Unfortunately there isn’t space here to quote the immense volume of data about the mind and the human condition that Hubbard left. And as that would be the only way to “prove” that Queen is adding his or her ideas to twist Hubbard’s words, I would ask you or Queen to do the same thing.
For example:
“Hubbard … taught his followers that a person would be considered “out ethics” if they didn’t handle those emotions.”
I have studied most of Hubbard’s writing and NOWHERE have I read that a person who didn’t handle these emotions is considered out-ethics. He just didn’t write this. It wouldn’t make sense.
Comment by John Davis — September 3, 2009 @ 1:19 am
A DESCRIPTION OF QUEEN’S ARTICLE
I tried to find a way to describe my feelings ploughing through this article and came up with this analogy.
Just try to see it from my point of view.
Imagine a recording of Beethoven’s Sixth Symphony, the Pastoral. Now imagine that someone has dubbed, at exactly the same volume, on top of the Beethoven, some Rap music. That alone would be horrible enough. But imagine someone using this recording to “prove” how bad Beethoven was.
What Queen writes is just like this for me.
It’s a cacophony.
Comment by John Davis — September 3, 2009 @ 1:28 am
Davis, why don’t YOU TELL US, in the most condensed version possible, about it. Tell us, in the simplest way possible, what Hubbard wrote. It would also help to provide any studies he did to support what you claim.
“I have studied most of Hubbard’s writing and NOWHERE have I read that a person who didn’t handle these emotions is considered out-ethics. He just didn’t write this. It wouldn’t make sense.”
Then maybe you just haven’t made it very far up the bridge.
There are MANY ex-scientologists, many of whom can be found at exscientologykids.com, who can assure us, with absolute conviction, that Hubbard DID SAY, in later writings in the higher levels, that those who don’t handle their emotions are ‘out-ethics’.
Why can’t YOU tell me and everyone else here about what Hubbard wrote? It can’t be THAT hard.
Comment by A_Watcher — September 3, 2009 @ 1:35 am
#19. That WOULD be pretty bad.
But it STILL doesn’t answer anything. Queen is merely quoting what she has learned and read from stories, articles and documents posted by former Scientologists.
Comment by A_Watcher — September 3, 2009 @ 1:38 am
John – Quibbling over details does not invalidate the argument, it just makes you a pedant.
“That which is true for you is what you have observed to be true”
– LRH
Having spoken to a number of ex-Scientologists personally, they all describe how they had to suppress their negative emotions, as well as their doubts about CoS, in order to progress. They did this, then got their ‘floating needle’ meter-reads. I read the stories of hundreds more online. I tried to speak to current Scientologists, but they couldn’t even manage basic ARC to answer my questions.
I observed, I researched, and came to my conclusion. Scientology teaches people to repress and ignore ‘bad’ thoughts and feelings.
It’s true for me. It’s true for them. Deep down, you know that’s true for you, too.
Comment by DavidJMudkips — September 3, 2009 @ 6:34 am
Excellent piece Dawn. Very thorough. I can’t wait to read more. Greetings from Paris.
Comment by ian — September 3, 2009 @ 7:21 am
Excellent work Queen. One possibility not covered, that could be driving John and Kelly apart, is that at some point in Jett’s treatment (Scientology or medical), Kelly and John disagreed rather strongly.
So, let’s imagine that John had strong reservations at some point, about what Kelly/Scientology was urging them to do/think in terms of treatment about Jett, yet he went along with it.
This would come back to haunt John after Jett’s death.
They could have had a disagreement about Jett’s babysitter. Maybe Kelly wanted an RN, with some training in seizures, whereas John thought his Scientology boyfriend was good enough.
Comment by Riczk — September 3, 2009 @ 8:37 am
About CCHR, Scientology, like other forms of totalitarianism, shuts down a person’s capacity for complete and independent thought. Even bad thoughts about Hubbard (and all his cockamamie) are punished or need to be deleted.
You’ll notice that Scientologists often speak in slogans, instead of well-reasoned arguments. For example: “You just do it.” Or, “Scientology helps, and critics are just against people getting help.”
Totalitarian movements also re-write history, taking a grain of truth — some psychiatrists were involved in euthanasia — and extrapolating that to something totally preposterous, that “the psychs” are responsible for WWII and other absurdities.
Scientology extends that into the total sci fi fantasy of “the psychs” assisting the evil galactic overlord Xenu 75 million years ago.
Scientology could be ignored as absurd, except for their power, influence and mission of world domination. If they ever took over government as Hubbard wanted to, it would simply be another Stalin or Hitler.
Comment by Riczk — September 3, 2009 @ 8:59 am
Queen, about the “Second Chance” facility in New Mexico which was shut down, the city didn’t know where the Scientologists had taken the prisoners at the time of the news report, but it would turn out that they had been returned to their prison cells.
Comment by Vir — September 3, 2009 @ 9:17 am
Davis is doing what is known as far game, attacking the writer of this article as a liar etc, without providing any proof.
Food for thought, Davis, idk what OT level you are at but here is what you will be told after spending $300,000, namely, this is where thetans derive from
Once upon a time (75 million years ago to be more precise) there was an alien galactic ruler named Xenu. Xenu was in charge of all the planets in this part of the galaxy including our own planet Earth, except in those days it was called Teegeeack.
Xenu the alien ruler Now Xenu had a problem. All of the 76 planets he controlled were overpopulated. Each planet had on average 178 billion people. He wanted to get rid of all the overpopulation so he had a plan.
Xenu took over complete control with the help of renegades to defeat the good people and the Loyal Officers. Then with the help of psychiatrists he called in billions of people for income tax inspections where they were instead given injections of alcohol and glycol mixed to paralyse them. Then they were put into space planes that looked exactly like DC8s (except they had rocket motors instead of propellers).
These DC8 space planes then flew to planet Earth where the paralysed people were stacked around the bases of volcanoes in their hundreds of billions. When they had finished stacking them around then H-bombs were lowered into the volcanoes. Xenu then detonated all the H-bombs at the same time and everyone was killed.
The story doesn’t end there though. Since everyone has a soul (called a “thetan” in this story) then you have to trick souls into not coming back again. So while the hundreds of billions of souls were being blown around by the nuclear winds he had special electronic traps that caught all the souls in electronic beams (the electronic beams were sticky like fly-paper).
After he had captured all these souls he had them packed into boxes and taken to a few huge cinemas. There all the souls had to spend days watching special 3D motion pictures that told them what life should be like and many confusing things. In this film they were shown false pictures and told they were God, The Devil and Christ. In the story this process is called “implanting”.
When the films ended and the souls left the cinema these souls started to stick together because since they had all seen the same film they thought they were the same people. They clustered in groups of a few thousand. Now because there were only a few living bodies left they stayed as clusters and inhabited these bodies.
As for Xenu, the Loyal Officers finally overthrew him and they locked him away in a mountain on one of the planets. He is kept in by a force-field powered by an eternal battery and Xemu is still alive today.
Notice how I didn’t die by reading this and niether will you
Comment by Anonymous — September 3, 2009 @ 10:34 am
Great article. Suggested further edits:
1/10 of the way down:
Comma is needed after “scam artist”
In the same paragraph, yo should be you.
(A third of the way down)
“you have to wonder how it is legal for them to go after psychiatrists and have their licenses revoked and then celebrate about it.”
If CoS finds out truthfully that a psychiatrist has committed a crime or violated medical ethics, they can notify the state and the state revokes their license. If they have framed the psychiatrist then they could be sued for libel (if they can be identified).
“They also must take large doses of niacin “vitamin bombs” which Scientology believes rids the body of all toxins.” I have never seen it called “vitamin bombs” Hubbard thought niacin rid the body of toxins in fatty tissue; Hubbard thought nicotine rid the body of radiation (eye roll), so CoS doesn’t expect niacin to do everything. It IS medically dangerous to the liver to take megadoses of niacin.
)2/5 of the way down)
“you write to your town officials and put a stop to it” – could be “you write to your town officials and landlords and warn them of the hate speech.” (It’s still free speech, but nobody is forced to HOST it on their property or public property.)
(Halfway down)
“It was full of Scientology spin” could be “CoS’s response in Freedom Magazine was full of Scientology spin.”
Comment by AR — September 3, 2009 @ 10:50 am
It is funny, that no matter how many times I read the Xenu story, as told in OTIII, it seems like insanity anew.
It would be nice if the government put a restriction on Scientology’s scam, that before being allowed to pay for a course or book of Scientology, a person should have to read and memorize the basic Xenu story, so they know what they are really getting into, that is, a cult that make you believe anything. A cult where you end up dwelling in a comic book fantasy of super powers with a mission to dominate the world and the galaxy, with the ideas of a ranting sci fi writer/loon.
Comment by Riczk — September 3, 2009 @ 10:55 am
John has always come across as a nice guy and it seems genuine. No matter what he’s
done in the past, short of killing someone I suppose, would really matter to anyone.
He could just walk away from Scientology and never say anything about it, his actions
would still speak volumes.
Comment by bob dobbs — September 3, 2009 @ 10:58 am
hmmmm, John Davis, Tommy Davis, Tommy Cruise, David Miscabbage . . .
you’re all the same, fucking nuts
Comment by tiger — September 3, 2009 @ 12:40 pm
What a great article. I have always thought highly of Travolta. It seems that even the nicest and most talented of people can get caught up in cults. I say talented with caution because Battlefield Earth (written by LRH) was a flop on the silver screen and JT’s worst performance ever. John shouldn’t have to worry about his folder being used against him. If the cult ever did such an awful thing the public backlash would be extreme. In fact, if they did release his folder, it would make him seem very human – just like the rest of us. I am an ex-member of the cult and it can take a few years for the fog to clear but John seems like an intelligent guy. He’ll be back on top form in no time.
As for the scientologist posting on this comments section; your comments simply confirm the desperation the cult is experiencing. The louder you scream and shout, the weirder you seem. David Miscavige is the PTS/SP at the very heart of your organization, altering the tech and committing abuses. You don’t have to take my word for it. I dare you to look at the Basics on offer now and compare them to the editions released a few years earlier. If LRH was at least an OT12 then he would never allow books to be published with defects in them. Why is DM altering the tech?
Thank you Queen & Dawn. Keep it up. Sunlight is a marvelous disinfectant.
Comment by wil thompson — September 3, 2009 @ 12:42 pm
Your essay is sensible and sad. I wish John Travolta the best of luck with his problems.
Comment by Red Ruphansor — September 3, 2009 @ 1:08 pm
Scamatomologists refuse to read negative information about their cult. They have one of their silly terms for this. Why use all these terms? Wittgenstein wrote about Language Games, and how various rules are in place to have a conversation with another. One obvious way to manipulate another is to force the person you are talking with to use phrases full of ‘assumptions.’ An example of this would be that ‘SP’s’ are always wrong; if you start with this as a primary rule of your conversation, and thus your thinking, no one can talk to you. Cults make great use of this. They actually corral a persons thinking and then… lead them to mental slaughter. The comments on this sight show just how manipulated these minds are. As you have pointed out here, these folks provide no ‘proof’ of what they have to say, relying instead on ‘phrases,’ which is natural since they refuse to read anything that can make that is not within their tiny field of truth. Wonderful article, by they way. Your synopsis of the organization showed, once again, that the emperor has no clothes… well, except for those new capes they are going to be wearing — I have a theory they are shooting for the 2-6 year old demographic, because they would surely be into wearing a ’superhero cape.’ My other theory is that this is as close as they can come to their promise that the ‘clear’ is a superhero. Keep fighting them bastards.
Comment by John Scott Ridgway — September 3, 2009 @ 2:36 pm
Sorry about the typo in the last comment. I just wanted to add that I read your articles by way of the Cult New Network, run by Rick Ross — which is always an excellent source on all cults, and especially Scamatomologists… also, your point about how popular Travolta would be if he came out of his mental closets… a GREAT POINT.
Comment by John Scott Ridgway — September 3, 2009 @ 2:41 pm
This is a weird article. Thought it was a celebrity site but whoa. Is this site real? A movie simulation site? Kinda cool whatever it is.
Comment by Arnon — September 3, 2009 @ 2:43 pm
I love Travolta too. At least he admits he is a $cilon. Will Smith isn’t even man enough to admit it. This alone keeps me from going to see any new Will Smith movies. He will short circuit his career just like Tommy boy if he keeps up this charade. I don’t care if Travolta is gay, would never make a difference. He is an enjoyable actor and I hope he is able to crawl out from the dpths of $cilon hell….Great work again Queen and Dawn.
Comment by Remonstranon — September 3, 2009 @ 2:55 pm
As for Cruise, here are articles on his lawyer:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/05/04/CM236919.DTL
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/report-no-smoking-gun-or-wrongdoing-for-bert-fields/
John, Hubbard said nothing about conscious pain. It was his theory that forgotten / subconscious memories caused up to 70% of ailments, including those with no known cause (which was never proven). If your loved one has just died, you KNOW what is keeping you up at night.
Comment by Jim — September 3, 2009 @ 3:48 pm
BTW, I’m starting to wonder–does TC have anything to do with Davey’s disappearence? Does he know where Davey his? Did something happen which he does not want the public to know about?
This is stranger than fiction.
Comment by Jim — September 3, 2009 @ 6:41 pm
Ummm this story is way way out there. Don’t you think?
Comment by JenniferLime — September 3, 2009 @ 6:50 pm
And where do you suppose Miscavige’s wife is, Jim? What’s it been, 2 years since anyone has seen her?
The cult is stranger than fiction, but hardly surprising considering its founder.
Comment by Rachel — September 3, 2009 @ 7:29 pm
To Scientologists in the comment section, please come up to present time and confront the following data.
“OT 8 Geir Isene Doubt Formula”
http://www.isene.com/files/Geir_Isene_doubt_COS_2009-08-07.pdf
Comment by Confront — September 3, 2009 @ 7:33 pm
To Jennifer Lime.
all’s yah gotta do is click on the Wikipedia links in the story and you will see for yourself.
Also there is TONS of information on the internet just waiting for you to read. Everything in this article is the real deal.
That’s exactly why is says it’s hard to beleive that this stuff goes on adn why Scientology thrives in secrecy. Do your homework!
And to John Davis… man, do your homework too, and do not close your mind to only what Hubbard wrote.
How can you ever be free if you can’t even read other data?
You read this article, that’s a start, now go read some more that will this data is correct.
Comment by Righteous Retrobution — September 3, 2009 @ 8:25 pm
Corection,
That will PROVE this data is corrrect.
Comment by Righteous Retrobution — September 3, 2009 @ 8:26 pm
Rachel, Davey’s wife missing reminds me of the death of Madelyn Murray O’Hare, the world’s leading atheist. For a while, they said she took all the money from the atheist’s foundation she ran and fled. Her body was later found, and actually an intruder killed her, stole her valuables and then hid the body, but for a while it was being used to discredit atheists.
If Davey is, in fact, responsible for Shelly’s disappearence, it will discredit Scientology. I think that, unlike Madelyn (who never profited financially from her atheist org.), Davey and Co$ will
be discredited and I think Davey is on the run and has a LOT to hide (ie I don’t think an intruder kidnapped him).
Comment by Jim — September 3, 2009 @ 10:31 pm
In real religions, the top tone would be love or compassion. Sympathy and inner peace would be high also. Power (and desire for power) would be low, and fear would be low.
Comment by Jim — September 3, 2009 @ 10:37 pm
Davis wrote,”He (Hubbard) just didn’t write this. It wouldn’t make sense.”
Having attempted to read some of Hubbards work, I can definitely say that a tremendous amount of his writing does not make any sense at all. Many of his lectures are non-sensical to the point of incoherency.
Have you seen his OTIII revelation or heard him claim to have been nearly hit by a freight train while poncing about the surface of Venus?
Case Closed.
Sorry, but claiming it couldn’t have been Hubbard’s writing because it “wouldn’t make sense” is laughably invalid. Thanks for the laugh.
Comment by WilliamB — September 3, 2009 @ 10:54 pm
John Scott Ridgway wrote, “except for those new capes they are going to be wearing.”
They’re not capes, they’re swing coats damn it!
Comment by inb4terryeo — September 3, 2009 @ 10:55 pm
Hey John Davis, So you’re saying scilons don’t frown on H E & R, huh? That means Human Emotions and Reactions to all you wogs.:) It is totally NOT okay to show emotions while on post or just about any other time if you want to survive as a scientologist. John if fulla it.
Great article, Queen. The only correction I can add is that Second Chance in Albuquerque didn’t let the convicts loose on the streets. They were shipped back to the jails they came from. Joy Westrum did take the appliances that belonged to the city however when she skipped out in the middle of the night.
New Mexico also sent another Co$ front group called The Drug Free Marshalls packing in the Las Cruces school system when the mayor found out it was scientology.
We don’t need no stinking cults in our state.
Comment by sparky — September 3, 2009 @ 11:13 pm
“WHAT YOU ARE WRITING HERE IS MUMBO JUMBO BECAUSE IT’S YOUR WACKY IDEAS. YOU ARE ADDING PURE LIES TO WHAT HUBBARD WRITES.”
But much of what Hubbard wrote was a lie already. Like his military record? His PhD?
“It certainly does not. Scientology does not use counseling and it certainly wouldn’t recommend that someone have counseling.”
Oh, but they do! In fact, use Google to search for the word “counseling” on scientology-owned sites. scientology.org has 75 instances alone, all extolling the virtues of scientology counseling.
Comment by mark tomles — September 4, 2009 @ 1:44 am
I find it odd that you must so heavily attack a religion that has nothing but good intentions and affiliated groups that are actually attempting to bring about good change.
May I ask, what groups do YOU have that are trying to put a stop to drug abuse, increased prison population, and psychiatric over-drugging?
Its “mumbo jumbo” like this (where NONE of your “quotes” or paragraphs have any true relation to honest Scientology teachings – they do not even add up to what the books say and teach and they do not even MAKE SENSE in the way you have put them,) that makes me wonder – WHO IS PAYING YOU TO WRITE THIS SHIT?
Comment by Mary — September 4, 2009 @ 12:54 pm
Mary, I am still waiting to hear one intelligent or original thing Hubbard wrote in Dianetics. Still waiting. (this may take a while).
Comment by Jim — September 4, 2009 @ 1:12 pm
Mary you are a riot!!!
Comment by Righteous Retrobution — September 4, 2009 @ 2:06 pm
Some clarifications from the misinformation (oh, doesn’t that sound totalitarian?) we get from the bots:
1. The Nazis actually banned psychiatry and psych books–it was seen as a “Jewish science.”
2. Narcotics Anonymous is free and has a 50% success rate (ie 50% are off drugs after a full year); Narconon has a 2% success rate and costs $30,000 a year; I know a lawyer who gets 10 complaints a day about them. Yes, for a celebrity they will spend millions to hire the very best people to help them
(Kirstie Alley, Amy Winehouse) but not everyone else. Bill O’Reilly of Fox News keeps saying “Oh, they helped Kirstie Alley”–he doesn’t get it.
Comment by Jim — September 4, 2009 @ 2:08 pm
Why Mary the eeeevil psychs and pharmaceutical companies are paying me of course. You know, your “enemies”. Seriously, loosen your tin foil hat a bit. We are just people of various agea and occupations who are disgusted with $cientology’s 60 years of scams, cons, human rights violations, misery and abuse.
I support charities that actually, you know, do good just for the sake of helping, unlike $cientology. Where are all of your soup kitchens? Homeless shelters? Hospitals? When’s the last time $cientology sponsored a clothing drive? Donated to Habitat for Humanity?
In fact, there is NO charitable arm in your organization. Of course there’s millions and millions to build fancy “Celebrity Centres”. Gee, thanks $cientology. Just what the world needs.
$cientology doibg “nothing but good”? You’ve GOT to be kidding. That is about as ridiculous as claiming the Mafia does nothing but good.
(My apologies to the Mafia for the comparison)
Comment by Rachel — September 4, 2009 @ 2:08 pm
Mary are you going to deny that OSA is with the CCHR? Are you going to deny their mission is to rub out pyschiatry? And please explain to us Mary, how do they do that Mary? Legally that is.
You keep saying Scientology helps people… by doing WHAT exactly? What do they do for the community without their own agenda of recruitment behind it?
At the very least Mary, you have shown how brainwashed members are.So thank you for that.
Comment by Righteous Retrobution — September 4, 2009 @ 2:30 pm
Here, Hubbard introduces the concept of religion into Scientology. His prevarication is clear – he wants a clinic in operation, but not in name. Hubbard is deliberately attempting to deceive by calling his business a religion. It is also clear that he is attempting to deceive potential customers by making the Spiritual Guidance Center appear to be the equivalent of a psychiatrist’s or doctor’s office. The reason for the subterfuge revolves around Hubbard’s personal motives – to retaliate for the psychiatry profession’s earlier snub of Dianetics, to increase Hubbard’s personal power, and to increase the cash flow of the ailing HAS. As Hubbard says, calling Scientology a religion solves a practical business problem.
Actual part of Hubbard’s letter:
I await your reaction on the religion angle. In my opinion, we couldn’t get worse public opinion than we have had or have less customers with what we’ve got to sell. A religious charter would be
necessary in Pennsylvania or NJ to make it stick. But I sure could make it stick. We’re treating the present time beingness, psychotherapy treats the past and the brain. And brother, that’s religion, not mental science.
Best Regards,
Ron
Hubbard cynically calls this subterfuge “the religion angle”. Hubbard feels that public opinion of Scientology is poor, so wrapping Scientology in the cloak of religion will add credibility. The clause “with what we’ve got to sell” again indicates that Hubbard considers Scientology to be a business that sells a product.
Comment by Righteous Retrobution — September 4, 2009 @ 2:35 pm
This is great work right here!
i think john travolta is a great!
and lastly i agree with everything you have here
A+++++
Comment by Allie — September 5, 2009 @ 11:12 am
BTW, Co$ has never applied for a patent for its great “tech.”
Comment by Jim — September 5, 2009 @ 1:24 pm
Jim – Who needs the faff that comes with a patent? Holding the copyright, and having an army of lawyers, is far easier*
* Unless a faceless, leaderless tribe gather on the Internet to engage in exposing the lies behind the facade, of course…
Comment by DavidJMudkips — September 8, 2009 @ 5:44 am
“make sure WE get to say what’s legal”–LRH
Comment by Jim — September 8, 2009 @ 1:39 pm
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20302413,00.html
Here is an interesting article on Jaycee Dugard, the girl in California who was just rescued after being kidnapped in 1991. Note that people like her are in fact brainwashed. Yes, brainwashed. They do not try to escape. Her kidnapper, Garrido, started a religion with himself as the god and she felt she had to stay, even when he would not let her contact her family and did not respect her reproductive rights (she had 2 kids with him). Sound familiar?
Comment by Jim — September 8, 2009 @ 3:58 pm
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