Glosslip Radio is extremely excited to have ex-Scientologist Marc Headley back for a second interview.

Marc, who spend 15 years in the Church of Scientology’s Sea Organization is working on a major project which will intimately detail his experiences within the church and working closely with RTC president and Scientology leader David Miscavige.

The last interview we did with Marc has reached legendary status, having over 12000 people listen to the show. Tonight’s show will focus on the Scientology cruise ship, the Freewinds and the current scandal surrounding they cover-up attempts by the Church regarding a massive asbestos contamination on that ship. For coverage of this story, see Glosslip’s reports.

But wait, there’s more…

In our continued coverage of the astounding interview we did with ex-Scientologist and Sea Org member Marc Headley, he revealed David Miscavige, RTC President and head of the Church, was directly involved in the cover-up of Lisa McPherson’s death. Lisa, a young and pretty Scientologist whose death in 1995 rocked the Church of Scientology, has since become the poster child for the alleged abuses leveled at the Church.

The story of Lisa’s death is incredibly tragic. Not simply because we see the face of vibrant, beautiful young woman cut down it the prime of her life, but because for all intents and purposes, her death was completely preventable. Here’s a very brief summary in the interest of time, but I encourage anyone interested to do more research about the events surrounding Lisa’s death:

But wait, there’s more…

Yes Nicole..er..David..er…Wait, who’s in charge again?

In part four of our series highlighting the powerful interview Glosslip had with ex-Scientologist and former Executive Producer of Golden Era Productions, Marc Headley, a duplicitous David Miscavige is revealed to the public.

From all we’ve seen in the mainstream media, RTC President and Church figurehead David Miscavige has a very close relationship with famous actor, and top celeb Scientologist Tom Cruise. In Andrew Morton’s book about Cruise, this relationship was fleshed out fully and the reader comes away seeing two like minded idealogues in Cruise and Miscavige. Both are driven, ambitious and fierce in their pursuits, sharing a rather manly like bond, akin to brothers who are constantly seeking both approval from the other, and to out do each other in varying degrees of one-ups-manship.

It’s hard to imagine a rift existing between them, but then again, their commonality, Scientology, is known for causing deep divides in even the closest of loved ones.

Marc stated Tom Cruise left the Church of Scientology throughout the 90’s because he became disillusioned with the faith. Jason Beghe backed this up, and Andrew Morton hinted at it in his book.

According to Marc, David Miscavige saw Tom’s second wife, actress Nicole Kidman, as the trouble source for Tom (or PTSP), and he wasn’t going to let his best friend get away that easily.

Here’s the scoop straight from someone who was there to witness the betrayal this caused between Miscavige and Cruise, and what was done to “heal” the divide:

DO: You worked with Tom Cruise quite regularly..

MH: Well, no, I didn’t actually work with him. What had happened was in the early ’90’s when he first became a Scientologist he had to do his training to become an auditor. While you do your training you also get auditing and you kind of go back and forth. In order to do that, you need to get somebody who hasn’t had any auditing. In the early ’90’s I had had very little auditing, if any. So I was the perfect candidate for Tom Cruise, so he actually audited me while he did his auditor
training.

So I got to know him then, but in the mid ’90’s, when he got up to OT3 he left the church. He was not being a scientologist. And during those times…

DO: He was disillusioned, wasn’t he?

MH: Well, he basically thought it was complete bullshit. He read all the stuff about…

DO: The wall of fire, right??

MH: Yeah, he got to all that Xenu stuff. “Xenu stuff?”, and he was like “I’m out of here”. And he left. And when he was in Scientology, though, several Scientologists were implanted into his staff network. His assistants and his people, people that helped him run his career. And they were Scientologists. So, when he became upset with Scientology these people stayed with him. And they were the eyes and ears for David Miscavige. On when they were going to be able to get Tom Cruise back into Scientology. So for many years, Tom never came back to the Int Base to do anything. We never heard of him, we never saw him.

DO: Was that when he was married to Nicole?

MH: Absolutely.

DO: So this is during that time?

MH: Totally. And Dave would comment regularly about how how much of an out-ethics person Tom Cruise was. Because he’s off with Nicole and he does whatever Nicole wants, and Nicole. Totally. The facts surrounding him getting back into Scientology are very speculative, but from all that I know, the church seized upon the fact that Nicole had gotten pregnant.

And that Tom, up until that point, was not able to have children whatsoever. So her being pregnant was a major faux pas for her and that she had been cheating…So then out of nowhere, Tom Cruise divorces Nicole Kidman, completes OT4 in the same week. And now, out of nowhere, he’s the most dedicated Scientologist in the whole world. Just like overnight. He’s with Dave all the time. And it was bizarre to people that worked at the Int Base.

Ten years this guy was gone and all of a sudden he just shows up out of nowhere. And now he’s just a fanatic. He’s claiming that he’s been in Scientology for fifteen, twenty, years and you’re just like “What the hell, man? Where did that come from?”

Part of the appeal to celeb Scientologists to join the “religion” is the how much the tech focuses on the “individual” and making them the best they can be. Magnifying this mind-set in people already prone to self-absorption and narcissism could only result in what I’d call a “Super-Ego” mentality. Of course, Marc’s anecdote below illustrates how this is manifested from the top down at Gold Base, Scientology’s brain-center.

MH: The whole reason that you’re there, that anyone is there, in Scientology or in the Sea Organization, is because they have an internal urge to help other people. That’s it. So, when you see all these things happening, people being treated like this, it totally goes against the grain of what you’re there for. And sooner or later I think a lot of these people are just going to leave. More and more of these stories will come out and more of these different things. In 2003 Dave Miscavige instituted a rule that all staff at the Int Base facility have to call Tom Cruise “Sir”.

Okay, now, Tom Cruise is a public scientologist. He’s a parishioner. Some of these people that have been in the Sea Organization at the Int Base have been in the Sea Org for 30 years. Dedicated their life.

And the only person that they have to call “Sir” is someone who’s senior in rank to them. But now, this new guy, Tom Cruise, garners the title of “Sir”. And if you don’t call him “Sir”, you might get away with calling him “Mr. Cruise”, if the situation deems that you couldn’t just say “Sir”. But if you called him “Tom” or “T.C.”, that’s it, you were in trouble. People actually did get in trouble for calling him “Tom”. And it was made a big deal of, like “blaughty-blah” called Mister Cruise “Tom” today and that person was made an example of.

What job security do you have if you’ve been in the Sea Organization for 30 years and a movie star can come along and suddenly he’s senior in position to you and … nd when he hasn’t dedicated nearly as much of his life to doing what you’re doing, that kind of thing.

Wow, and we thought Tom jumping on Oprah’s couch was weird, speaking of which….

Church of Scientology’s Gold Base, Miscavige’s Home Away From Home

In an earlier post about Church of Scientology leader David Miscavige, we focused on his violent and abusive history of beating staff members who upset him. For years, Miscavige’s unpredictable temper was rumored to explode in unhinged outbursts which resulted in him slapping and punching his over-worked and disturbingly underpaid staff, commissioned as Sea Organization members.

The Sea Org is described by Scientology insiders, as an elite and dedicated group which have their own slogan: “Many Are Called, Few Are Chosen.” A pseudo-military outfit, so select is this group, and so distinctive is this “honor,” they must sign a billion-year contract which states their allegiance to the Church of Scientology and the Sea Org are bound beyond death. Scientologists believe we live millions of lives and keep coming back after a person “drops their body.” Sort of like a perverse non-negotiable reincarnation, but without the becoming enlightened part.

These members work well over 60 hours a week, and according to Marc Headley, a former member of Scientology (and of the Sea Org) they are paid approximately $46 dollars a week, which he calculated to be only a few cents more an hour than Chinese slave labor workers. Marc’s interview, on our BlogTalkRadio show (listened to be over 3500 people so far) is so powerful and explosive we are releasing it in parts, and members of the online activist group Anonymous worked diligently on helping Glosslip get this interview transcribed. Below is part three of this interview with 15-year Sea Org/Scientology veteran Marc Headley:

DO: It’s disturbing, you and I talked about the Jenna Miscavige ‘Nightline’ interview which is pretty powerful. I know sure, it’s unfortunately only half an hour, but I think they covered some of the major talking points. The forced abortions and the child labor practices within the church. Those are some pretty sensational claims and you read about them on the internet, you’ve heard about them from ex-scientologists, and now you have a major media site essentially validating it by presenting it for public consumption.

So I’m hoping that more of these stories that we hear are being treated in the light that they are
given, and that is “This is truth, this is reality, this is what has happened to these people, and it’s
very sad, it’s damaging”. You seem like one of the more stable ex-scientologists. I’m not sure if it’s
your upbringing or just your nature, but having talked to you a few times now you really seem to
understand what you went through and have been able to move forward. That’s good to see, because
people inside need to know that there’s hope when they leave to the outside. We want to help
people, I know you do, you have family members in there. I want to stay on the David Miscavige
thing because I think it’s very fascinating. This is the leader of the Church of Scientology, this is the
man who represents the state of this spiritual organization which says they are going to clear the
planet and make everything better for mankind.

Yet obviously we’ve just heard your story, you’ve seen several people physically abused by
David Miscavige, we know Jeff’s story, and you yourself were abused. Now there’s and interesting
story about David Miscavige throwing people overboard? This is all just so confusing to me. Can
you tell us a little more about that particular story?

MH: L Ron Hubbard actually formed the Sea Org on ships, on sea vessels and when people, students or staff, would do something that was against his teaching, then he would throw them overboard. This was when they were at dock or in port or something, they would be thrown over the side of the ship as a punishment. Obviously the Sea Org is no longer a sea based organization, they have moved to land.

At the Int Base there is a large lake that is very close to the manufacturing building. If you look on
Google Earth you’ll see it in a second, but there’s a little bridge that leads out to a little island. In the
’90s Dave re-instituted being thrown overboard. So if somebody was late to report to post or they
had done something they weren’t supposed to … basically it was a way of punishing people. And
you would literally get walked out to the lake, you were allowed to take off your shoes, and I think
your tie, we were wearing at the time button-down dress shirts and tie, so you were allowed to take
off your shoes and your tie, and then they read like a little passage, something like “May your sins
be thrown into the water”, and then they’d push you into the water.

This lake by the way was filled with dead birds, fish, mold, and it never got cleaned or anything. People started to get sick after they’d been thrown into the lake so they had to cancel it.

Okay, now fast-forward to 2004, all of a sudden in the middle of the night, like 4 AM, hundreds of people are called in, you’d need to report to the base right away. Buses were sent out to pick people up from their housing, everybody showed up. David Miscavige was there, wearing his nighttime pajamas, walking around, waiting for everybody to show up.

He explained that this guy, he was the C.O.C. of International, Mark Yager, was living with another executive in Fairmount who was named Guillaume Lesevre, the Executive Director International. Every day when Dave would have meetings with these two guys, he would tease them and torment them about how they were gay and because they lived together he knew they were up to stuff. This went on for months, and he would always tease them.

Well this night when we got pulled in, Mark Yager had decided that he wasn’t going to take it anymore, he had dragged his mattress out of his room, halfway across the property, and put it in basically just a field of dirt and decided he was going to sleep there. Dave walks by his room that night, he saw that he was gone and the mattress was gone, and then that’s when he ordered “Okay, somebody go find Mark Yager and call everybody back in”. After he explained this whole thing to us, he said that it was our fault that Mark Yager wouldn’t sleep in the room he was assigned and that we were all going overboard.

And a hundred people were thrown, because we couldn’t go into the lake anymore, we thrown
into this swimming pool that’s at the property, it’s called the Star of California. It’s like a ship that’s
built into the hill and has a huge swimming pool. We all, one by one, had to just walk off the diving
board into the pool, like walking the plank. Those are the kind of things, like being woken at 4 am,
being dragged in, being thrown into the pool, and then being told “You guys are useless and you
can’t get anything right” and then … “Go home”. Incidents like that were regular occurrences at the
Int Base.

DO: It’s sick, but worse, that it’s being done by a church that says they’re a religion, that gets tax-exempt status. That presents themselves as the alternative to psychiatry, that they are going to help us all and all of mankind. You’re right, this is really sick.

MH: There’s a story on the internet, if you Google “musical chairs int base” there’s a tear-jerking story of something that Dave put several hundred staff through, threatening to split them up from their spouses. It’s too long of a story to tell right now but somebody did write it up and it is on the internet. It’s insane, but even during that time people were made, as punishment, to sleep under their desks for weeks on end until certain achievements or milestones were met.

Until those were met, you went to sleep under your desk, then you got up in the morning, you went
to take a shower in the garage of the estate facility there, and you never went home. And if your
wife was in a different area of the church, then you didn’t see her, because you were sleeping under
your desk and that’s just the way it was. Sometimes he would even forget that he had ordered people
that they were restricted to the property and couldn’t go home. And months later someone would
say “Well, I’m not going home anyway” and he would go “Why not?” and it’d be like “Sir, we’ve
been restricted to the base for three months now”. And he would be like “Oh. That was only meant for a day or two”, and this is like four months later.

In 1990, when I arrived at Golden Era Productions, there were 1200 staff that worked at that
facility. It was a sprawling complex, it’s actually over 500 acres. There’s several International
Management Organizations that exist there. It’s also where Religious Technology Center is located,
which is the organization that Dave Miscavige is the chairman of the board of, and about four or
five other church organizations that are housed there. As of 2007, there was about 400 people left
that worked at that facility. And those 400 people are still demanded to do the work of the 1200
people that were there in the early ’90s.

In the next installment of our interview with Marc, we will continue this story and discuss how David Miscavige disparaged current 2nd-in-command Scientology superstar, actor Tom Cruise when he left the Church in the 90’s, plus how David instituted a rule stating, all Sea Org members were to refer to Tom Cruise as “Sir” and were told not to speak directly to him, or look him in the eye.

Yes, Scientology. It’s far, far worse than you think.

Cruise and Miscavige salute, all systems go for Operation: Hookup

Glosslip did a powerful interview with ex-Scientologist Marc Headley yesterday on Glosslip Radio. During that interview many major bombshells were dropped.

Headley, a Executive Director at the Church of Scientology’s video production branch, Golden Era Productions, worked closely wih RTC and CoS leader David Miscavige. Marc also worked with Tom Cruise during Tom’s sessions during his “pre-Clear” days. Marc Headley knows deep secrets about Scientology’s inner workings, and he’s committed to sharing them.

Here’s a portion of a transcription from the radio interview with Marc Headley, which can be heard here. In this portion, Marc explains how Church of Scientology leader David Miscavige helped set up a dating service using Church facilities and Church resources for Tom to find a new and suitable girlfriend/wife for their most high profile member after Cruise and Nicole’s public and difficult divorce:

Glosslip: Now you- are you you familiar with any stories related to- we won’t focus too much on Tom Cruise, although, you know, since you certainly have the knowledge, about- so he and Nicole divorced, and Tom’s alone- as we know from reading Andrew Morton’s book, Tom doesn’t like to be alone. Tom wants women in his life, you know, especially women he’s always surrounded by women, he always wants people around him, he doesn’t want to be lonely. Is there any truth to the rumour that David Miscavige and the Church of Scientology helped him find his next girlfriend, make sure that they were pro-Scientology? What do you think of those stories?

MH: Sure, those are absolutely true. We- well of course after Nichole, he was with Penelope, and then Penelope wouldn’t drop the Buddhism so he dropped her, and then he was going out with another girl I think her name was, Sophia Vergara.

Glosslip: Vergara?

MH: Right. And then basically, um, the thing with Sophia wasn’t going to work out. There was something about her or there was something that had happened or she did or something that was not going to be good if they were put under the microscope. So- Dave was constantly being called by Tom. And basically, Tom was in his ear, about how, you know, he’s gotta figure out what he’s going to do. You know, and basically, Dave was like “Why do I have to hear this?”. He tells his assistant, who is also his wife Shelly Miscavige to figure this out and basically handle it. What we ended up doing was, in Golden Era Productions we have a talent agency that works out of the celebrity center in Los Angeles.

And they basically do auditions for films and videos all the time, so a casting call went out to all the young 20-something Scientology actresses that there’s a Tom Cruise movie coming up you might be able to get a part in and we need you to come in for an audition. And they were basically asked a series of questions and these- all of these interviews were videoed. And those tapes, every day, were compiled and sent up to RTC. And we must have interviewed hundreds of Scientology actresses.

Glosslip: Anyone you want to name, specifically? Who was rejected?

MH: Oh, just- well then they were all rejected. Every single one of em was rejected.

Glosslip: By Tom, or by Scientology? I mean- who…

MH: We don’t know. They just went went up to RTC and that was it. We never heard. They didn’t- nobody said “ok this is the one, get her”, it was just, nothing. And then, this big head honcho guy from RTC, Greg Wilhere, who’s kind of like- used to be one of Dave’s- kind of like go-to guys, he is now suddenly like jet setting all over the place. He’s going off to New York, he’s going down to LA, and this is all from the Hemet facility. And he’s now taking interviews with high profile actresses. And that’s where you hear the stories about Scarlett [Johansson], and Jennifer Garner, because basically it was like Dave just said “If you had a list what would the list be? Let’s just basically go through what girls you’d like to be with.” And that was how that happened. The Katie Holmes..-

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Glosslip: Can he not get a date on his own or it just the whole Scientology thing- we wanted a Scientology girlfriend? And was this his idea or was it David Miscavige’s idea?

MH: It was- it was basically mutual between em. They just were like “Hey, what can we do”, you know. And- and I left, in 2005, so obviously Katie Holmes was the one, and I think what happened on the Katie Holmes one was she had just recently, or at some point done a magazine interview that said she wanted to marry Tom Cruise. So-

Glosslip: Right.

MH: So how much more perfect can you get? She’s the perfect candidate. They just gotta like each other. And then sure enough-

Glosslip: Were you around, were you around for when she was first indoctrinated? There’s a story that- uh- and then we’ll move on from Tom Cruise because I know you got lots of actually pretty- even more interesting things than old..

MH: Well I’ll tell you this, I’ll tell you this. When Katie showed up years before that, there’s this girl that worked in- basically Tom Cruise’s camp, and she’s a Sea Org member, she’s part of the Church of Scientology’s- the, you know, the organization that runs the church. And her name is Jessica Rodriguez. Jessica Rodriguez is an auditor, and the reason that was with Tom is because she was giving security checks to Isabella and Conner Cruise, Tom Cruise’s two adopted children. These children were basically being interrogated on the e-meter whenever they were misbehaving or things weren’t going so well. They would get these metered interrogations from Jessica Rodriguez. So it seems kind of ironic that as soon as Katie gets into Tom’s camp suddenly her best friend is Jessica Rodriguez. And Jessica Rodriguez-

The only reason Jessica Rodriguez is Katie’s best friend is to get her through her auditing and her training. And someone who can be the eyes and ears of the church so they know who’s in Katie’s ear, and they can basically pick people off who are gonna, you know, foil that little plan of theirs. So that’s where Jessica Rodriguez comes in. Jessica Rodriguez is in the same camp as Tommy Davis and these other- basically handlers. That were with Tom. And they were the eyes and ears of David Miscavige. So if something happened they could say “this is the guy who’s doing X, Y and Z and then the Church can figure out how to deal with them. Or they can tell Tom how to deal with it. And then that’s literally- that’s- to this day, you’ve got Jessica Rodriguez and Tommy Davis working with each other at the Office of Special Affairs in Hollywood, right- yesterday. Yesterday those two were together.

Glosslip: They were together yesterday? Tommy- Tommy’s still in? I thought Tommy was demoted to scrubbing David Miscavige’s floor for screwing up that whole John Sweeney thing.

MH: That was the word on the street. He did disappear for many many moons, and then all of the sudden he just popped back up on the radar. So, yeah, I’m sure it’d be very interesting to ask Tommy where he’s been for the last year or so, but he’s definitely not been out in the news. And even now he’s not really out in the news. He’s a little bit behind the scenes. But both him and Jessica Rodriguez have been involved in recent handlings on what’s going down from OSA. So.

What’s so significant about this information is it is final confirmation of what Andrew Morton outlined in his book. Morton’s book, where I’ve gotten a vast portion of my information about Tom Cruise until now, stated Tom Cruise used the Church of Scientology as a screening process for any future girlfriends/spouses.

According to Marc, and confirmed by actor Jason Beghe, Tom Cruise dropped out of the Church for much of the 90’s after he had reached OT Level III and became disillusioned with the mechanistic self-help philosophy. OTIII is often referred to as “The Wall Of Fire” and it is this level where CoS members discover the Xenu phenomena and many people drop out finding the idea of ancient aliens trapped in our bodies as utterly implausible. It wasn’t until Nicole was out of Tom’s life when David Miscavige saw the opportunity to lure Tom Cruise back in, but this time, as the devout, fervent and somewhat unhinged man we see today.

Coming up…….how the Church of Scientology helped facilitate Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman’s divorce.

[BIG FAT HATTIPS TO Anonymous members at Enturb for helping us transcribe this. Cake for you!]